Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
He said they got three big wins late and the voting stopped on the 2-line. As in they didn't even vote to put them on the 1-line. Hell they are the #6 overall and aren't even ahead of Kentucky.
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Aerial Assault
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I think maybe his point is that Duke had a case for a #1 seed and UNC should not have gotten a #1 seed, which, if that's what he's saying, is a defensible position. I personally thought that Duke and UNC should both get 1s and Gonzaga should be a 2.
Mad Cow
Welshers and Dawdlers Beware!
Best part of these games if you look at the bracket and think this game or that will be a good one to watch in the early rounds, but you can never predict the truly great ones with the fantastic finishes. You go in thinking ho hum and get a really barn burner with a great finish.
Pipes
Footballguy
Pipes
Footballguy
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strykerpks
Footballguy
According to CBS:
Wisky NCSOS - 277
Minny NCSOS - 26
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Wisconsin got hosed because they got pounded by UNC and at Creighton when they still had Watson, and because Cuse, Georgetown and Oklahoma turned out to be poop. Those weren't "good" wins like they could have been. Being 2nd in the B1G and finishing 2nd in the tourney wasn't enough to overcome that in the eyes of the committee
Capella
Footballguy
You thinking Gonzaga not only being moved off the 1 line but then being moved off the west bracket (
) shows a comically poor concept of how this works. I'm not saying this is important knowledge to have, I'm just saying you don't have it.
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Capella
Footballguy
He said they weren't getting ahead of Zona who was a 2. So why would they vote on them for a 1?
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Because they have the most top 25 and most top 50 wins? Like I said, just a weird justification for it.He said they weren't getting ahead of Zona who was a 2. So why would they vote on them for a 1?
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
Capella
Footballguy
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
Gators did as good as I could have hoped for. 4 seed in Orlando.
Aerial Assault
Footballguy
Committee to Duke: when you lost to N.C. State at home on January 23, your seed was pretty much locked in, guys.
Committee to UNC: did you finish with *****ONLY***** four regular season losses in that conference?????? OMG SRSLY? Well, there's simply no need to examine things any further. Here's a ticket to the Elite Eight.
Every year.
Committee to UNC: did you finish with *****ONLY***** four regular season losses in that conference?????? OMG SRSLY? Well, there's simply no need to examine things any further. Here's a ticket to the Elite Eight.
Every year.
Aerial Assault
Footballguy
This means that Arizona has been playing well lately, right? No shtick, just checking what you mean. I had some ACC myopia this season (and also followed the Big Ten pretty well) but didn't pay much attention to other conferences including the Pac-84.
Scoresman
Footballguy
Everyone on the cbs show seemed to think the committee did an amazing job selecting teams and seeding them. So you would think the quality/efficiency of the teams, when graphed in order of seed, would make a nice downward trending line, right?
Nope. The seed curve is a ####### mess this year as it usually is.
Spikes above the blue line are underseeded teams, and spikes below are overseeded.
No surprise Wichita St. is the grossest example of underseeding over in the 10 seed area of the graph. They should be a 2 according to kenpom, but got a 10. Other spikes on the graph include St. Mary's, and to a lesser extent, West Virginia and SMU.
The most overseeded team is Virginia Tech who got a 5 but should have gotten an 11 according to kenpom. They are joined by Minnesota, Maryland, and Arizona. Will probably be including these teams as first weekend upset candidates.
Nope. The seed curve is a ####### mess this year as it usually is.
Spikes above the blue line are underseeded teams, and spikes below are overseeded.
No surprise Wichita St. is the grossest example of underseeding over in the 10 seed area of the graph. They should be a 2 according to kenpom, but got a 10. Other spikes on the graph include St. Mary's, and to a lesser extent, West Virginia and SMU.
The most overseeded team is Virginia Tech who got a 5 but should have gotten an 11 according to kenpom. They are joined by Minnesota, Maryland, and Arizona. Will probably be including these teams as first weekend upset candidates.
In The Zone
Footballguy
I couldn't ask for anything more at this point. A 7 seed playing in Greenville.Ramblin Wreck said:
Someone tell me about Marquette.
Mad Cow
Welshers and Dawdlers Beware!
facook
Footballguy
Cool. I had posted earlier I'm hoping to take my dad and son to Boise next year. Just surprised you were able to get tickets that recently. Thanks for the info.
timschochet
Footballguy
No complaints about UCLA's seeding- they were flat against Arizona when it counted so this is what they get. If they can win the first 2 games they'll have to beat Kentucky again, which is a tall order. But you gotta beat the teams in front of you. I'm optimistic, since Lonzo Ball's thumb seems to be OK.
timschochet
Footballguy
Arizona really deserved a #1 seed IMO.
In The Zone
Footballguy
Any chance on showing up outside the arena in Greenville and getting a ticket at a decent price?
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Aerial Assault
Footballguy
And only there because the North Carolina legislators and then-governor, now bye-byed, thought it was important to protect straight people everywhere from the ever-so-common harrowing public bathroom encounters with routinely found transgender predators. Oh, well.
Were you guys (Gamecocks) good this season? I saw not a minute of SEC action except Duke beating Florida. Marquette had a pretty good season, better than expected, under former Duke PG and assistant Steve Wojciechowski.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
With UNC and Duke in the arena it's doubtful, IMO. But you might score Sunday tickets from a Troy, Marquette, Texas Southern or Arkansas/SH fan after they lose on Friday.
Scoresman
Footballguy
strykerpks
Footballguy
Marquette is sort of an uneven team. Overachieved a bit this year. They beat Nova in January but then lost back to back to Providence and St. John's. They can shoot though and will be a tough out if they are on fire. They aren't very long but Luke Fischer at 6'11" can be troublesome. He's got a "white guy motor."
Aerial Assault
Footballguy
Cool info, but is that based exclusively on Pomeroy? Just asking because I get kinda tired of his altar and worshipers.
Aerial Assault
Footballguy
In The Zone
Footballguy
sporthenry
Footballguy
Va Tech is a 9 seed? But as someone else said, Kenpom isn't the end all be all especially with his bias towards slower paced teams.
Scoresman
Footballguy
Pipes
Footballguy
Aerial Assault
Footballguy
Dunno. I think his system's set of clear flaws pretty much eviscerates using it as analysis of any kind.
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Scoresman
Footballguy
I'm not saying its the end all be all, but honestly what's better for numerical analysis like this? Sorry if I dissed your team.
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sporthenry
Footballguy
Here is the thing, if I take away kenpom, how can anyone really justify Wichita State as a great team? The subjective eye test? I'm sure they are better than a 10 seed but I'm not sure a computer saying they are the 8th best is any better at judging just because all they proved is they are good at being mediocre to bad teams.
Pipes
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sporthenry
Footballguy
Don't worry, you didn't diss my team so that isn't why I take objection to it. You just make it sound like some albatross when in reality, I think over-reliance on KenPom has potentially worse consequences, especially from a selection criteria. I still use it and enjoy it but all those years when Wisconsin, UVA were the top teams every year. You'd have teams trying to game KenPom, blowing out a bunch of mediocre teams and playing at a slow pace.
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
Arizona got a great draw as the 2 in the weakest region and they play every game close to home. I think they have the easiest path to the Final 4 in that region.
CabinFever
Footballguy
Duke given the best odds to win it all. Vegas knows what's up 
tri-man 47
Footballguy
A heavy bias here, but I wouldn't want to be playing Michigan right now. Senior leadership coming through, and after that plane scare, it's like they're playing with house money.
SWC
Bromigo
and sam hauser is an up and commer got to see him win the state tourney with his bro at spash basically marquette and can get hot and drill three balls or they can be cold and look really really ordinary hot and cold all year take that to the bank shot brohans
Aerial Assault
Footballguy
Gotcha, thanks for clearing me up. Yeah, I would actually expect Gonzaga to lose to Notre Dame if that matchup materializes, given the 37-38 minutes ND put together against Duke Saturday night. (I'm assuming West Virginia is lousy as usual.) I want to like Gonzaga's basketball team and what they represent (apart from a loathsome and pretty well-known Supreme Court case argued by none other than John Roberts) but I'm actually pretty much over them beating Loyola, Pepperdine, San Francisco, San Diego and Portland like drums and then claiming a high seed out of it. I'm delighted that BYU and St. Mary's are in the WCC too but honestly, I'm tired of it.
Scoresman
Footballguy
That's basically what I'm doing here, using and enjoying it. No albatrosses.
I will say though that I always submit a bracket based only on kenpom and it's always near the top.
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
Wow, you are a dense arrogant idiot. I always felt Gonzaga would most likely be a 1 or 2 in the West. I said it might be possible for both Oregon and Gonzaga to get 1 seeds and one of them shipped off to the south but not likely. Playing in west as a 2 is better than playing as a 1 in south.You thinking Gonzaga not only being moved off the 1 line but then being moved off the west bracket (
I'm not saying this is important knowledge to have, I'm just saying you don't have it.
In The Zone
Footballguy
Scoresman
Footballguy
They beat Florida, Arizona, Iowa State, and St. Mary's 3 times. That's at least 5 top 25 RPI wins. That's how they get their high seed despite the WCC.
TripItUp
Footballguy
You realize AZ was missing two of their best players in that game, and most concede that az is a drastically better team now?Like how they pounded them when they played earlier this year?
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