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ND WR Samardzija Signs w/ Chicago Cubs (1 Viewer)
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GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
Actually it's more than the back burner.
They said he has given up his football career for five years. (probably part of his contract with the Cubs)
Wow.. that's all I've got to say.
Give up football and millions to play for the CUBS?
I thought Notre Dame had intelligence standards.
They said he has given up his football career for five years. (probably part of his contract with the Cubs)
Wow.. that's all I've got to say.
Give up football and millions to play for the CUBS?
I thought Notre Dame had intelligence standards.
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Do you have any links a little better than "heresay" Grid?I hope this guy does well. The little I've read this sounds like Charlie Ward again. Is he just OK at baseball but very good at football like Ward?(basketball/football) While I loved the "best QB in NY" jokes, I always thought Ward was silly for not caving in and playing football.
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Slinger
Footballguy
Baseball players make more money and their contracts are written in ink, not pencil.
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
Press conference is scheduled for the bottom of the hour.
I guess he signed the five year deal already - the press conference is to announce that he's focusing on his baseball career.
I guess we wait until the press conference.
And it was reported on two sports stations in Chicago - so I don't view that as heresay.
I guess he signed the five year deal already - the press conference is to announce that he's focusing on his baseball career.
I guess we wait until the press conference.
And it was reported on two sports stations in Chicago - so I don't view that as heresay.
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
Notre Damer picks Cubs over football
By Paul Sullivan
Tribune staff reporter
January 19, 2007, 1:05 PM CST
Jeff Samardzija's dreams of becoming the next Bo Jackson are over.
The Cubs announced Friday that the pitcher will forego an NFL career to sign a five-year deal to play baseball full-time, beginning in the team's minor league system.
Full story: http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sp...-home-headlines
By Paul Sullivan
Tribune staff reporter
January 19, 2007, 1:05 PM CST
Jeff Samardzija's dreams of becoming the next Bo Jackson are over.
The Cubs announced Friday that the pitcher will forego an NFL career to sign a five-year deal to play baseball full-time, beginning in the team's minor league system.
Full story: http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sp...-home-headlines
Thanks. I was rolling with it, Ward comments, didn't say you posted BS. Just looking for something a little more on the topic.
Thanks again
He can throw 100 mph. Only an idiot would play in the NFL with that kind of arm.
You have middle of the road, journeymen bullpen guys getting 3-5mil a year. On the high end he can make 15-17mil, on the low end, it's 2-5mil. And no one ever knocks you out.
And they can't cut you.
The NFL is just a brutal sport, with crappy pay (compared to MLB). Of all the sports, being a pitcher in baseball is the best gig going.
You have middle of the road, journeymen bullpen guys getting 3-5mil a year. On the high end he can make 15-17mil, on the low end, it's 2-5mil. And no one ever knocks you out.
And they can't cut you.
The NFL is just a brutal sport, with crappy pay (compared to MLB). Of all the sports, being a pitcher in baseball is the best gig going.
Please See Mine
Footballguy
For the most part I agree with this. If I thought my chances were equal in both sports, from a financial perspective I'd definitely choose baseball. However, being a pitcher is a little bit of a double-edged sword. Being a left-hander with no injury problems is probably the best job in sports. You can make millions/year for literally 20 years. But if you do have anything go wrong with your arm, you are totally screwed. Being a position player has less risk.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
timintey
Footballguy
He signed for 5 years / $8mm guaranteedHe'd be a fool to pass that up
And I believe that's one of the largest rookie contracts in MLB ever. (maybe it's for where he was drafted. But I seem to recall how it was a large chunk of money for a draft pick)
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pelland
Footballguy
per rotoworld:
Jeff Samardzija is giving up football for baseball, FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal is reporting.
Samardzija, a wide receiver at Notre Dame, could have been a first-round pick in the NFL draft. However, he was also drafted by the Cubs in the fifth round last year and got a deal potentially worth $7.25 million over five years. That he'll concentrate on baseball makes him one of the Cubs' top pitching prospects.
Jeff Samardzija is giving up football for baseball, FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal is reporting.
Samardzija, a wide receiver at Notre Dame, could have been a first-round pick in the NFL draft. However, he was also drafted by the Cubs in the fifth round last year and got a deal potentially worth $7.25 million over five years. That he'll concentrate on baseball makes him one of the Cubs' top pitching prospects.
RageRhino
Footballguy
Incorrect 8-10 Million Signing Bonuses alone are not uncommon for top 3 draft picks. but perhaps for where he was taken this is the largest contract ever.But MLB and NBA are both much more financially rewarding than NFL football. Especially with the guaranteed contracts in baseball.he knows he is getting 8 million whether he sucks or not. thats financial security that anyone would be foolish to pass up.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
$7.5mm guaranteed means he has virtually no downside even if he's a complete washout. Meanwhile he could easily have 10+ years in the majors and make boatloads yet still be able to walk when he's retired.
Can't blame the guy one bit.
Can't blame the guy one bit.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Guaranteed money aside (which SHOULD be enough to take that deal and run), also bear in mind that he's in the #2 Media Market and has a lot of fan base already in the Midwest.
Lots of reasons to follow his dream to the Cubs.
Lots of reasons to follow his dream to the Cubs.
Mungo Burrows
Footballguy
Are you high? I don't have any links to his contracts, but I'm pretty sure Charlie Ward got as much or more money for playing basketball than most ELITE QBs were making in football for much of his career. Even if people thought he could play in the NFL, I don't think many projected him to be an "elite" QB. And his size would have been a red-flag on a lot of evaluations of his potential as a QB. His NBA contracts were guaranteed, and the risk of injury was not as great as it is in football. Last year Samardziija signed a 5 year deal worth $7.25m with the $250k signing bonus. That was when he was talking about playing both football and baseball. His new contract is almost assuredly guaranteed (as long as he keeps playing baseball). As near as I can tell, these reports do not indicate how much MORE they are willing to pay him to go exclusively baseball, but I'm guessing it's not trivial. His salaries if he makes it to the bigs (as I think he is ultimately projected to do) will be even bigger.
I figure the absolute highest he would go in the draft would be in the bottom 3rd of the 1st round. Last year's 1.21 pick (Maroney) signed a 5 year deal worth a max of $8.7m, but only $6.3m is guaranteed. If he were to get injured, or just suck, he could get cut after 3 years or so and not see more than the $6.3m. If he goes later in the first , or perhaps more likely, he falls to the 2nd round, the NFL pay keeps getting smaller and less guaranteed.
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TLEF316
Footballguy
no brainer IMO. although i think he has ability in football, i think he would have struggled alot in his first few years. Beating NFL CBs is quite a bit harder than catching fades over the 5'9 defensive backs at stanford, Michigan St. and Navy.
Baseball money is bigger and safer. Plus, like others said, he'll be able to walk when he's done.
Baseball money is bigger and safer. Plus, like others said, he'll be able to walk when he's done.
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
The only reason I question Samardzija's intelligence is because he's seeking green pastures with the CUBS.
Obviously a guaranteed deal is best for his wallet.
Obviously a guaranteed deal is best for his wallet.
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
Ward's big contract was a 6-year, $28 million dollar deal signed in 1999. That seems very competitive with QB money.
Jeff made the right call. Ive felt pretty strongly that baseball was the better sport for him, at least to start out with. The addition of all these excellent junior WRs knocked him out of first round contention, and meant that he wasn't going to get any huge bonus in football.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Agree with the others that it was a smart move.
I would guess that he'd be a marginal talent at best in the NFL, so baseball is the correct and safest route for him to take. It's a shame a certain teammate of his doesn't have the same skills in another sport to fall back on before the ugly football truth rears its head.
I would guess that he'd be a marginal talent at best in the NFL, so baseball is the correct and safest route for him to take. It's a shame a certain teammate of his doesn't have the same skills in another sport to fall back on before the ugly football truth rears its head.
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PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Yes because anyone with half a brain can see that the team with the highest payroll always wins the championship.
mcjc4
Footballguy
I can't see how anyone see's a negative for him in this. Worse case he has shoulder problems in 4 years, takes their money and is 26 or 27 and gets an NFL deal if he can get back into football shape and play. Most baseball guys are not in football shape. even those who played.
SHOW ME THE MONEY ANDY McPHAIL
SHOW ME THE MONEY ANDY McPHAIL
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RageRhino
Footballguy
a lot of baseball guys (especially pitchers) are in beer league softball shape to be honest. if you have a great arm (like he does) you really dont have to do much other than stretching.....gods honest truth.
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Mungo Burrows
Footballguy
One other factor I just thought of... If he does this now, he almost assuredly goes undrafted. Once that happens, if he wants to get back into football, he will be able to sign as a free agent with whatever team he wants to, rather than being locked into a team that drafts him. However, he wouldn't get the same level of Bonus/Guarantee as if he were a high draft choice. 
BigRed
Footballguy
Close. I'd say more like a right fielder. No sore arm. (then again as a pitcher no one expects you to bat worth a flip)
Avery
Footballguy
Depends on what kind of career you want and what kind of pitcher you are.Take a look at where David Wells and Roger Clemens are at comperable ages.
Tenacious D
Footballguy
McFail left in September.
x260bm
Footballguy
I don’t think it would have been a bad decision to stay in the NFL draft. Mel Kiper has him at 14. If he goes there he will get more than 8 million guaranteed. The Cubs drafted him in June. They can wait a few more months. He might even be able to squeeze some more money out of them. Why sign now?
In baseball, from 1965-1995 only 64.9 percent of Round 1 selections eventually played at the big league level. He was drafted in the 5th round and only about 12 percent of players taken there make it to the big leagues. A lot of the players that do make it are only there for a month. The odds are defiantly against him getting another MLB contract.
In baseball, from 1965-1995 only 64.9 percent of Round 1 selections eventually played at the big league level. He was drafted in the 5th round and only about 12 percent of players taken there make it to the big leagues. A lot of the players that do make it are only there for a month. The odds are defiantly against him getting another MLB contract.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Its the team that drafted him and he has no choice unless he sits a year and plays independant league ball. I doubt he can sit a year, re-enter the draft, and get the same type of deal, so this one is a no brainer.
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whoisjohngalt
Footballguy
According to KFFL he's removing/removed himself from the NFL draft. Like Drew Henson, he'd have to apply for the draft at some point and make himself eligible to be selected before any free agency situation could occur.One other factor I just thought of... If he does this now, he almost assuredly goes undrafted. Once that happens, if he wants to get back into football, he will be able to sign as a free agent with whatever team he wants to, rather than being locked into a team that drafts him. However, he wouldn't get the same level of Bonus/Guarantee as if he were a high draft choice.
You're kidding right? That is the farthest from the "God's honest truth".
dickey moe
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toxicbees
Footballguy
I think that about sums it up :X
cstu
Footballguy
Smart move for him - he can blow out his pitching arm and still come back to the NFL. If he does ruin his arm, I'm sure the Cubs would work out a buyout to let him play football sooner than 5 years.
Great news as a Cubs fan. We get a guy at his age and experience and salary who shouldn't be too long to the majors. At worst he's a decent reliever with upside for MUCH more.
As for JS himself why play football when you can play baseball if you have a passion for both? The injury factor, lack of guarunteed money, and long-term health all favors baseball. If he does hit in baseball he could get more in 2 seasons once he's past his rookie contract then in his entire potential NFL career. Figure 8 years at $2m per year on average in the NFL vs a $15-$20m yearly contract for a stud starting pitcher and $5m for a decent reliever.
As for JS himself why play football when you can play baseball if you have a passion for both? The injury factor, lack of guarunteed money, and long-term health all favors baseball. If he does hit in baseball he could get more in 2 seasons once he's past his rookie contract then in his entire potential NFL career. Figure 8 years at $2m per year on average in the NFL vs a $15-$20m yearly contract for a stud starting pitcher and $5m for a decent reliever.
Peyton Marino
Footballguy
maybe it's about more than money. maybe he just likes baseball more.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Baseball is a much better decision fiscally and physically no matter how much you love football it's the far better decision from a life standpoint.Similar threads
