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[Road Warriors]

Anyone think BJGE could catch some passes Sunday? Or they going to leave that to Woodhead?

I'm not saying it can't or won't happen, but I don't get the Woodhead = Faulk comparison. He's a good looking player with some wiggle, but I haven't seen him exclusively in 3rd down situations, and he's seen 1 target in 2 games. Woodhead in blitz pickup? Haven't seen it. Woodhead in the flat or underneath? Seen it once with a good result. Woodhead as a goto 3rd down, move the chains option? I don't think thats what he is. I like the kid. He's exciting to watch in his limited touches to date. But I don't see him as a Kevin Faulk replacement... considering Faulk was a 1st or 2nd read in 3rd down situations and had the trust of the coaches and Brady.

 

[David Yudkin]

Anyone think BJGE could catch some passes Sunday? Or they going to leave that to Woodhead?

He's got 6 career receptions in 25 games with a best of 2 in a game. I'm guessing he won't be much of a receiving threat.

 

[munygon2]

Fred Taylor has officially been ruled out for week 6. BJGE to start.

 

[Rovers]

Anyone think BJGE could catch some passes Sunday? Or they going to leave that to Woodhead?

I'm not saying it can't or won't happen, but I don't get the Woodhead = Faulk comparison. He's a good looking player with some wiggle, but I haven't seen him exclusively in 3rd down situations, and he's seen 1 target in 2 games. Woodhead in blitz pickup? Haven't seen it. Woodhead in the flat or underneath? Seen it once with a good result. Woodhead as a goto 3rd down, move the chains option? I don't think thats what he is. I like the kid. He's exciting to watch in his limited touches to date. But I don't see him as a Kevin Faulk replacement... considering Faulk was a 1st or 2nd read in 3rd down situations and had the trust of the coaches and Brady.

Woodhead can pick up the blitz. He is small, but he's wreckless. No fear in this kid whatsoever. I believe he is faster and more elusive than Faulk, but he has trouble breaking tackles at times, although he did show something in that department with the cameos he's had with the Pats. I think all Woodhead has needed all along was the opportunity to get touches. He finally landed where he can get those touches. I think he will continue to beat the odds and become a valuable playmaker for NE. He is smart as a whip. Even BB said so. I think you Pats fans absolutely got a steal here, and I'm none to happy about the Jets letting him go.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Fred Taylor has officially been ruled out for week 6. BJGE to start.

I think there is a nice opp here for a great game. The balt d will clearly focus on shutting down brady and the passing game. should leave at least some room for bjge to make some hay (a la peyton hillis) in the middle. I'd say 70-80 and .6 of a td is probably the floor for this week as he should get at least 15 carries.

 

[nysportsfan]

Anyone think BJGE could catch some passes Sunday? Or they going to leave that to Woodhead?

I'm not saying it can't or won't happen, but I don't get the Woodhead = Faulk comparison. He's a good looking player with some wiggle, but I haven't seen him exclusively in 3rd down situations, and he's seen 1 target in 2 games. Woodhead in blitz pickup? Haven't seen it. Woodhead in the flat or underneath? Seen it once with a good result. Woodhead as a goto 3rd down, move the chains option? I don't think thats what he is. I like the kid. He's exciting to watch in his limited touches to date. But I don't see him as a Kevin Faulk replacement... considering Faulk was a 1st or 2nd read in 3rd down situations and had the trust of the coaches and Brady.

Woodhead can pick up the blitz. He is small, but he's wreckless. No fear in this kid whatsoever. I believe he is faster and more elusive than Faulk, but he has trouble breaking tackles at times, although he did show something in that department with the cameos he's had with the Pats. I think all Woodhead has needed all along was the opportunity to get touches. He finally landed where he can get those touches. I think he will continue to beat the odds and become a valuable playmaker for NE. He is smart as a whip. Even BB said so. I think you Pats fans absolutely got a steal here, and I'm none to happy about the Jets letting him go.

Still trying to figure out why they did so? They cut him and keep Clowney? Then cut Clowney anyway? Clowney stunk, bad move.

 

[rowmacks]

Anyone think BJGE could catch some passes Sunday? Or they going to leave that to Woodhead?

I'm not saying it can't or won't happen, but I don't get the Woodhead = Faulk comparison. He's a good looking player with some wiggle, but I haven't seen him exclusively in 3rd down situations, and he's seen 1 target in 2 games. Woodhead in blitz pickup? Haven't seen it. Woodhead in the flat or underneath? Seen it once with a good result. Woodhead as a goto 3rd down, move the chains option? I don't think thats what he is. I like the kid. He's exciting to watch in his limited touches to date. But I don't see him as a Kevin Faulk replacement... considering Faulk was a 1st or 2nd read in 3rd down situations and had the trust of the coaches and Brady.

Woodhead can pick up the blitz. He is small, but he's wreckless. No fear in this kid whatsoever. I believe he is faster and more elusive than Faulk, but he has trouble breaking tackles at times, although he did show something in that department with the cameos he's had with the Pats. I think all Woodhead has needed all along was the opportunity to get touches. He finally landed where he can get those touches. I think he will continue to beat the odds and become a valuable playmaker for NE. He is smart as a whip. Even BB said so. I think you Pats fans absolutely got a steal here, and I'm none to happy about the Jets letting him go.

Still trying to figure out why they did so? They cut him and keep Clowney? Then cut Clowney anyway? Clowney stunk, bad move.

Pretty sure they just couldn't accept the fact that they made a huge mistake drafting McKnight.

 

[Road Warriors]

Anyone think BJGE could catch some passes Sunday? Or they going to leave that to Woodhead?

I'm not saying it can't or won't happen, but I don't get the Woodhead = Faulk comparison. He's a good looking player with some wiggle, but I haven't seen him exclusively in 3rd down situations, and he's seen 1 target in 2 games. Woodhead in blitz pickup? Haven't seen it. Woodhead in the flat or underneath? Seen it once with a good result. Woodhead as a goto 3rd down, move the chains option? I don't think thats what he is. I like the kid. He's exciting to watch in his limited touches to date. But I don't see him as a Kevin Faulk replacement... considering Faulk was a 1st or 2nd read in 3rd down situations and had the trust of the coaches and Brady.

Woodhead can pick up the blitz. He is small, but he's wreckless. No fear in this kid whatsoever. I believe he is faster and more elusive than Faulk, but he has trouble breaking tackles at times, although he did show something in that department with the cameos he's had with the Pats. I think all Woodhead has needed all along was the opportunity to get touches. He finally landed where he can get those touches. I think he will continue to beat the odds and become a valuable playmaker for NE. He is smart as a whip. Even BB said so. I think you Pats fans absolutely got a steal here, and I'm none to happy about the Jets letting him go.

Thanks for the insight. This obviously wasn't a kid on the national radar, so I don't have much of a read on him. No offense intended, but I'm kinda glad you're pissed the Jets let him go.

 

[Rovers]

Anyone think BJGE could catch some passes Sunday? Or they going to leave that to Woodhead?

I'm not saying it can't or won't happen, but I don't get the Woodhead = Faulk comparison. He's a good looking player with some wiggle, but I haven't seen him exclusively in 3rd down situations, and he's seen 1 target in 2 games. Woodhead in blitz pickup? Haven't seen it. Woodhead in the flat or underneath? Seen it once with a good result. Woodhead as a goto 3rd down, move the chains option? I don't think thats what he is. I like the kid. He's exciting to watch in his limited touches to date. But I don't see him as a Kevin Faulk replacement... considering Faulk was a 1st or 2nd read in 3rd down situations and had the trust of the coaches and Brady.

Woodhead can pick up the blitz. He is small, but he's wreckless. No fear in this kid whatsoever. I believe he is faster and more elusive than Faulk, but he has trouble breaking tackles at times, although he did show something in that department with the cameos he's had with the Pats. I think all Woodhead has needed all along was the opportunity to get touches. He finally landed where he can get those touches. I think he will continue to beat the odds and become a valuable playmaker for NE. He is smart as a whip. Even BB said so. I think you Pats fans absolutely got a steal here, and I'm none to happy about the Jets letting him go.

Still trying to figure out why they did so? They cut him and keep Clowney? Then cut Clowney anyway? Clowney stunk, bad move.

Pretty sure they just couldn't accept the fact that they made a huge mistake drafting McKnight.

That's it in a nutshell. They think, or hope McKnight has upside, a topic hotly debated at Jets message boards.

 

[Jambi]

Benjarvus? Where do we rank him going forward? Yudkin needs to come grab an order of crow.

 

[Bayhawks]

Benjarvus? Where do we rank him going forward? Yudkin needs to come grab an order of crow.

Why? Unless I missed something, he's always said that BJGE isn't special, and will only put up numbers if injuries forces NE to use him. Faulk is done for the year, and Taylor is still out (plus they traded Maroney). What was he "wrong" about to need to eat some crow?

 

[mcintyre1]

So... Danny Woodhead?

 

[ponchsox]

Woodhead did more when he was in there. Wouldn't be suprised if he gets more touches next week. Neither him nor Ellis is a great option in fantasy.

 

[David Yudkin]

Benjarvus? Where do we rank him going forward? Yudkin needs to come grab an order of crow.

I never said I didn't like the guy, but he is what he is. He doesn't have great speed or many moves. He's a hard working straight ahead runner. Today he had 20 yards on 10 carries. That seems pretty pedestrian to me. He did get a short TD run, which is always a possibility if NE gets the ball near the goal line. He's an ok option for owners with bye week or injury issues. I'd hardly call him a must start for fantasy purposes. I still think he will go back to being in a time share with Taylor and now Woodhead.If I was surprised by anyone, it's Woodhead. He's done very well in his limited opportunities. I would think they will continue to give him the ball until other teams start stopping him. He had 115 yfs today and helped the team win a tough game.

 

[David Yudkin]

Fred Taylor not practicing today (again).

 

[GreedoShotFirst]

Any ideas on when Freddy gets back on the field?

Fred Taylor not practicing today (again).

 

[qimqam]

Please stop saying he is not a good option ... If you play in a flex league he is a great option.

He has scored a TD for me in 3 staright games plus over 200yds rushing ... Yes Bal held him to 20 yds they do that to a lot of RBs

I had him his rookie year in 2008 and he scored TDs for me in 3 or 4 straight games.

If he is starting he is a great option and as of now he is starting

 

[David Yudkin]

Please stop saying he is not a good option ... If you play in a flex league he is a great option.He has scored a TD for me in 3 staright games plus over 200yds rushing ... Yes Bal held him to 20 yds they do that to a lot of RBsI had him his rookie year in 2008 and he scored TDs for me in 3 or 4 straight games. If he is starting he is a great option and as of now he is starting

I also said with bye weeks and flex options that BJGE was a decent option.If BJGE is getting the ball a lot, it means other guys are hurt and he becomes the de facto goal line back. In his 7 career games with 10 carries, he's scored in 6 of them. He's averaged 11.6 fantasy ppg in those games in 0 PPR leagues, which in most weeks is mid-RB2 territory. This year, he's has averaged 9.5 ppg in his 4 games as the main guy, which most weeks would be low-end RB2 numbers.I have said all along that the last man standing on the Pats will be worth playing . . . initially it was thought that Maroney would be that guy. The same holds true with most teams that if everyone else gets hurt the guy left over is worth playing.We will have to revisit this once Taylor gets back, as Taylor was slated to be getting the biggest piece of the pie.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Any talk of Fred heading to IR?

 

[Portis 26]

*** BROKEN RECORD ***He's the 4th string RB on a team that regularly utilizes a RBBC and passes a lot. His primary role is playing on special teams.If the Pats did suffer major injuries to the other guys, Javarris James (practice squad) might be better suited to get carries, as he seems like more of a speed back that BJGE. I find it odd that very few people wanted to roster Taylor, Morris, or Faulk (still free agents in some of my leagues), yet people want to jump on the BJGE train.

All aboard the BJGE hype express! But it's not all based on folly, David - the Pats do like to pound it sometimes (particularly when it gets cold and snowy) and often one back does get most of the carries, and the result is there are periods when the Pats' lead RB is eminently startable. Check out Maroney from last season, he went through a pretty good period when he put up very solid numbers. Given that BJGE is a hair's breadth away from starting (#2 behind an elderly and injury prone back) he's very close to having reasonable value.

Portis 26 1, Yudkin 0! Yes Sir! I called it!

 

[Chaka]

Are we finally buying into BJGE as the #1RB in NE yet?

Even in games where he gets limited touches he is clearly the finisher on the league's highest scoring offense. He is the #15 RB overall in my league and #7 since he took over as the starter in week 3 (non-ppr).

Since week 3 he has only one game where he did not either score a TD (8 games) or have over 100 (1 game) overall yards. He averages 4.2 ypc on the season (4.4 since week 3).

Isn't he an every week fire-and-forget starter at this point or do we still believe that "He's just a guy" and only a match up play?

 

[Adebisi]

*** BROKEN RECORD ***He's the 4th string RB on a team that regularly utilizes a RBBC and passes a lot. His primary role is playing on special teams.If the Pats did suffer major injuries to the other guys, Javarris James (practice squad) might be better suited to get carries, as he seems like more of a speed back that BJGE. I find it odd that very few people wanted to roster Taylor, Morris, or Faulk (still free agents in some of my leagues), yet people want to jump on the BJGE train.

All aboard the BJGE hype express! But it's not all based on folly, David - the Pats do like to pound it sometimes (particularly when it gets cold and snowy) and often one back does get most of the carries, and the result is there are periods when the Pats' lead RB is eminently startable. Check out Maroney from last season, he went through a pretty good period when he put up very solid numbers. Given that BJGE is a hair's breadth away from starting (#2 behind an elderly and injury prone back) he's very close to having reasonable value.

Portis 26 1, Yudkin 0! Yes Sir! I called it!

& :(

 

[ROBOPUNTER]

Are we finally buying into BJGE as the #1RB in NE yet?

let's wait and see what Yudkin's guy* says.* Yudkin's guy is his sister's accountant's real estate agent's brother who works in the ticket booth

 

[Adebisi]

Are we finally buying into BJGE as the #1RB in NE yet?

let's wait and see what Yudkin's guy* says.* Yudkin's guy is his sister's accountant's real estate agent's brother who works in the ticket booth

"Yudkin's guy" is Mike Reiss, and Yudkin has no more inside access than anyone else who follows Reiss's blog and watches the games every week. Several of us have been saying this for years now. It's blatantly obvious. But of course, he likes the attention that comes with pretending that he has an "in" to the most secretive organization in the NFL; never you mind the ridiculousness of the notion that someone that close to Belichick would continuously leak insider information to someone he knows is going to broadcast it to the world over the Internet.

 

[Chaka]

Let's not turn this into an "I told you so" orgy.

I am honestly curious if people have converted their opinion and are embracing BJGE or will they still only use him as a match up play?

FWIW He's my highest scoring RB and I have him on my bench this week because he's on the road against a very tough Chicago defense and coming off a short week after an emotional game. This could be a very tough game for the Pats.

I want to believe in this guy, and he will definitely be in my lineup win weeks 15-16, but even with that the Chicago match up looks tough enough that I am going with lesser performing options who have better match ups this week.

 

[packersfan]

I am honestly curious if people have converted their opinion and are embracing BJGE or will they still only use him as a match up play?

See the thread I created last night. I think he's a matchup-proof RB2 the rest of the season and if he's the starter next season I think he has Top 15 potential. He's only 25 and he's better than a lot of people give him credit for in my opinion.

 

[ROBOPUNTER]

Are we finally buying into BJGE as the #1RB in NE yet?

let's wait and see what Yudkin's guy* says.* Yudkin's guy is his sister's accountant's real estate agent's brother who works in the ticket booth

"Yudkin's guy" is Mike Reiss, and Yudkin has no more inside access than anyone else who follows Reiss's blog and watches the games every week. Several of us have been saying this for years now. It's blatantly obvious. But of course, he likes the attention that comes with pretending that he has an "in" to the most secretive organization in the NFL; never you mind the ridiculousness of the notion that someone that close to Belichick would continuously leak insider information to someone he knows is going to broadcast it to the world over the Internet.

I don't think Mr Yudkin would lie, or allow a mistruth to perpetuate like this. Would you?

 

[Chaka]

I am honestly curious if people have converted their opinion and are embracing BJGE or will they still only use him as a match up play?

See the thread I created last night. I think he's a matchup-proof RB2 the rest of the season and if he's the starter next season I think he has Top 15 potential. He's only 25 and he's better than a lot of people give him credit for in my opinion.

Good thread.Wish you posted it in here instead but we can't always get what we want.Chicago's defense has been incredible against the run in terms of yards all year but they do give up TDs on the ground. It's tough to imagine the Pats not getting some opportunities at the stripe.

 

[Clinton]

Are we finally buying into BJGE as the #1RB in NE yet?

let's wait and see what Yudkin's guy* says.* Yudkin's guy is his sister's accountant's real estate agent's brother who works in the ticket booth

 

[packersfan]

I am honestly curious if people have converted their opinion and are embracing BJGE or will they still only use him as a match up play?

See the thread I created last night. I think he's a matchup-proof RB2 the rest of the season and if he's the starter next season I think he has Top 15 potential. He's only 25 and he's better than a lot of people give him credit for in my opinion.

Good thread.Wish you posted it in here instead but we can't always get what we want.Chicago's defense has been incredible against the run in terms of yards all year but they do give up TDs on the ground. It's tough to imagine the Pats not getting some opportunities at the stripe.

He's produced very well against the Steelers and Jets. I don't see any reason to fear the Bears or the Packers when he plays them. He's getting it done.

 

[Chaka]

I am honestly curious if people have converted their opinion and are embracing BJGE or will they still only use him as a match up play?

See the thread I created last night. I think he's a matchup-proof RB2 the rest of the season and if he's the starter next season I think he has Top 15 potential. He's only 25 and he's better than a lot of people give him credit for in my opinion.

Good thread.Wish you posted it in here instead but we can't always get what we want.Chicago's defense has been incredible against the run in terms of yards all year but they do give up TDs on the ground. It's tough to imagine the Pats not getting some opportunities at the stripe.

He's produced very well against the Steelers and Jets. I don't see any reason to fear the Bears or the Packers when he plays them. He's getting it done.

Can't argue with results and he's giving top 10 (non-ppr) production over the last 11 games. Since he became the starter (week 3) he has had a grand total of one bad game (@ Cle).

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

It's doubtful he will ever have a meaningful role in NE. He is what he is . . . a lunch pail guy that runs hard but isn't very fast and has no moves. IMO, he's a dime a dozen as far as RBs go. If lots of other Pats backs get banged up, he could step in and do ok (like he's done in the past). He looks like an NFL depth guy to round out the roster. I doubt he will make a splash.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Are we finally buying into BJGE as the #1RB in NE yet?

let's wait and see what Yudkin's guy* says.* Yudkin's guy is his sister's accountant's real estate agent's brother who works in the ticket booth

"Yudkin's guy" is Mike Reiss, and Yudkin has no more inside access than anyone else who follows Reiss's blog and watches the games every week. Several of us have been saying this for years now. It's blatantly obvious. But of course, he likes the attention that comes with pretending that he has an "in" to the most secretive organization in the NFL; never you mind the ridiculousness of the notion that someone that close to Belichick would continuously leak insider information to someone he knows is going to broadcast it to the world over the Internet.

uch:

 

[sho nuff]

Let's not turn this into an "I told you so" orgy.I am honestly curious if people have converted their opinion and are embracing BJGE or will they still only use him as a match up play?FWIW He's my highest scoring RB and I have him on my bench this week because he's on the road against a very tough Chicago defense and coming off a short week after an emotional game. This could be a very tough game for the Pats.I want to believe in this guy, and he will definitely be in my lineup win weeks 15-16, but even with that the Chicago match up looks tough enough that I am going with lesser performing options who have better match ups this week.

He has been gold for me to plug in at flex since he took over.Though, he is also on my bench this week vs. Chicago unless I change my mind (and Ray Rice, my #1 pick...5th overall...is also riding the pine).Better matchups with Choice and Ivory.

 

[NYG Endzone]

Is Fred going to see any garbage time week 15 or 16?

 

[Chaka]

Is Fred going to see any garbage time week 15 or 16?

The Pats would have to lock up home field throughout the playoffs for that to even remotely be an option and even if they do it is no guarantee that they ease off. BB's M.O. has always been to keep the foot on the gas until after the Super Bowl.If the Pats are blowing out an opponent like they were on Monday then yes I can see Fred getting carries, otherwise he looks more like an insurance policy in case something happens to BJGE.

 

[Jambi]

Be careful while attempting to serve crow in this thread. It could get you a year.

 

[Raider Nation]

The New England Patriots have always insisted it's not about the player, but the team. Individual statistics don't matter, wins do.

But it certainly seemed they were doing everything they could Sunday to get running back BenJarvus Green-Ellis to the 1,000-yard mark.

Green-Ellis was an undrafted free agent out of Mississippi in 2008 who was fourth on the team's depth chart at the start of training camp. On Sunday, he became the team's first 1,000-yard rusher since Corey Dillon in 2004 when he gained 80 rushing yards in the Patriots' 38-7 waltz over the Miami Dolphins at Gillette Stadium.

Green-Ellis carried the ball eight times on his final drive of the season, getting 10 yards on his last carry -- a fourth-and-16 from the Dolphins 19 on the second play of the fourth quarter -- to go over 1,000. He finished the season with 1,008 yards.

Green-Ellis also scored 13 touchdowns, second-best in team history (behind Curtis Martin, who scored 14 twice), and went the entire season without losing a fumble, joining Baltimore's Ray Rice as the only back to have at least 175 carries without a fumble.

I'm still not sold.

 

[Joe Summer]

Fourth String Lunch Pail!!!

 

[parrot]

If BB got anything of value for Maroney he pulled off another genious trade. This guy is a first round bust.

So that would make BB a genius when trading and a complete failure in drafting then, correct?

His drafting track record hasn't been all that great of late.

Off the top of my head; Merriwhether, Mayo, Edelman, Chung, Butler, Vollmer, Tate, Spikes, McCourty, Gronkowski, Hernandez are all guys taken in the last few drafts and looking like they will be playing significant minutes. And all the while they have managed to keep stockpiling picks. That looks like a pretty good record of late to me.

He has plenty of misses, that we don't need to rehash. Also, you could say all those young guys are playing heavy minutes because of BB's draft failures earlier. If you draft a ton of awful players, then you will naturally have a good deal of turnover. We shall see just how good your list of young players are.

Three pro bowlers, two rookie TEs who combined for over 1000 yds and 15 TDs, a starting tackle on one of the best OL units in the league, a feared return man who brought back two kick offs for TDs, Edelman just showed again that he can ably fill in for Welker when called upon, Chung and Spikes were both solid for the D. Oh, and six picks in the first three rounds next year. I'd say Bill is doing all right with the draft.