Need Dog Buying Tips (1 Viewer)

[Cliff Clavin]

So if I'm hearing you all correctly:

Two dogs left outside is at risk for a damaged psyche from being isolated from the rest of the pack family for a lot of the time and because of this I shouldn't have dogs unless I allow them inside and this is agreed upon by all animal professionals.

And yet somehow a dog alone in an apartment alone all day will adapt and be fine.

And this is all despite that until very recent history the vast majority of dogs have NEVER been kept indoors living with their human masters.

Why do you keep saying this?

So that he can use the same logic when he beats them into obedience.

 

[B-Deep]

So if I'm hearing you all correctly:

Two dogs left outside is at risk for a damaged psyche from being isolated from the rest of the pack family for a lot of the time and because of this I shouldn't have dogs unless I allow them inside and this is agreed upon by all animal professionals.

And yet somehow a dog alone in an apartment alone all day will adapt and be fine.

And this is all despite that until very recent history the vast majority of dogs have NEVER been kept indoors living with their human masters.

call some professionals

how many hours did you spend outside yesterday?

the apartment dog is sleeping near it's master 8-10 hours a day

apartment dogs have to be walked often for normal potty business

plus the manadatory twice a day feeding yours will get

so yeah, the apartment dog is going to be a t lot closer to its pack than your yard dogs

 

[comfortably numb]

So if I'm hearing you all correctly:

Two dogs left outside is at risk for a damaged psyche from being isolated from the rest of the pack family for a lot of the time and because of this I shouldn't have dogs unless I allow them inside and this is agreed upon by all animal professionals.

And yet somehow a dog alone in an apartment alone all day will adapt and be fine.

And this is all despite that until very recent history the vast majority of dogs have NEVER been kept indoors living with their human masters.

correct.

Stop looking at the amount of land and start focusing on the amount of love.

Do you show love towards your 2 kids by letting them play alone for 12 hours a day or do you show them love by being a part of their lives day to day?

Dogs want to be with you, it's their reason for living.

When Jesus was separated from his father, that is the pain a dog suffers being away from his master.

 

[Jayrod]

So if I'm hearing you all correctly:

Two dogs left outside is at risk for a damaged psyche from being isolated from the rest of the pack family for a lot of the time and because of this I shouldn't have dogs unless I allow them inside and this is agreed upon by all animal professionals.



And yet somehow a dog alone in an apartment alone all day will adapt and be fine.

And this is all despite that until very recent history the vast majority of dogs have NEVER been kept indoors living with their human masters.

It doesn't have to be one or the other. With most responsible dog owners, it's not.

Dogs need to be inside, over nights, during inclement weather, to bond with the family at a closer level, during fireworks (which frighten them), etc.

Dogs need to be outside, to exercise, during good weather, to run, to play, etc.

No one here who is trying to deter you from buying dogs keeps their dog indoors 24/7, yet that's the assumption you seem to be making.

What about a person who has one dog, lives alone in an apartment and works all day?

 

[B-Deep]

what if noah had left his dogs outside?

 

[Bucky86]

How often do you spend time outdoors per day on average currently? You do realize dogs enjoy just laying on the floor by your feet while you read, write, work on the computer, draw, etc. Are you going to start doing more of this outside?

 

[B-Deep]

So if I'm hearing you all correctly:

Two dogs left outside is at risk for a damaged psyche from being isolated from the rest of the pack family for a lot of the time and because of this I shouldn't have dogs unless I allow them inside and this is agreed upon by all animal professionals.



And yet somehow a dog alone in an apartment alone all day will adapt and be fine.

And this is all despite that until very recent history the vast majority of dogs have NEVER been kept indoors living with their human masters.

It doesn't have to be one or the other. With most responsible dog owners, it's not.

Dogs need to be inside, over nights, during inclement weather, to bond with the family at a closer level, during fireworks (which frighten them), etc.

Dogs need to be outside, to exercise, during good weather, to run, to play, etc.

No one here who is trying to deter you from buying dogs keeps their dog indoors 24/7, yet that's the assumption you seem to be making.

What about a person who has one dog, lives alone in an apartment and works all day?

doggy day care, imo

 

[comfortably numb]

So if I'm hearing you all correctly:

Two dogs left outside is at risk for a damaged psyche from being isolated from the rest of the pack family for a lot of the time and because of this I shouldn't have dogs unless I allow them inside and this is agreed upon by all animal professionals.

And yet somehow a dog alone in an apartment alone all day will adapt and be fine.

And this is all despite that until very recent history the vast majority of dogs have NEVER been kept indoors living with their human masters.

Why do you keep saying this?

Justification.

I can't wait til his daughter passes the flower of her age.

He is gonna sell her off for 3 goats and 8 shekels.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

So if I'm hearing you all correctly:

Two dogs left outside is at risk for a damaged psyche from being isolated from the rest of the pack family for a lot of the time and because of this I shouldn't have dogs unless I allow them inside and this is agreed upon by all animal professionals.



And yet somehow a dog alone in an apartment alone all day will adapt and be fine.

And this is all despite that until very recent history the vast majority of dogs have NEVER been kept indoors living with their human masters.

It doesn't have to be one or the other. With most responsible dog owners, it's not.

Dogs need to be inside, over nights, during inclement weather, to bond with the family at a closer level, during fireworks (which frighten them), etc.

Dogs need to be outside, to exercise, during good weather, to run, to play, etc.

No one here who is trying to deter you from buying dogs keeps their dog indoors 24/7, yet that's the assumption you seem to be making.

What about a person who has one dog, lives alone in an apartment and works all day?

Aren't we talking about you?

 

[joffer]

So if I'm hearing you all correctly:

Two dogs left outside is at risk for a damaged psyche from being isolated from the rest of the pack family for a lot of the time and because of this I shouldn't have dogs unless I allow them inside and this is agreed upon by all animal professionals.



And yet somehow a dog alone in an apartment alone all day will adapt and be fine.

And this is all despite that until very recent history the vast majority of dogs have NEVER been kept indoors living with their human masters.

It doesn't have to be one or the other. With most responsible dog owners, it's not.

Dogs need to be inside, over nights, during inclement weather, to bond with the family at a closer level, during fireworks (which frighten them), etc.

Dogs need to be outside, to exercise, during good weather, to run, to play, etc.

No one here who is trying to deter you from buying dogs keeps their dog indoors 24/7, yet that's the assumption you seem to be making.

What about a person who has one dog, lives alone in an apartment and works all day?

1. not ideal but it depends on the dog

2. plenty of time at night to bond with the dog.

3. it's 72 degrees and sunny inside

 

[comfortably numb]

what if noah had left his dogs outside?

right?????



Just like the dinosaurs.

 

[bigbottom]

What is the plan if your neighbors start complaining about your barking dogs outside 24/7? That may not be an issue on the farm or ranch, but it will be in suburbia.

 

[John Bender]

So if I'm hearing you all correctly:

Two dogs left outside is at risk for a damaged psyche from being isolated from the rest of the pack family for a lot of the time and because of this I shouldn't have dogs unless I allow them inside and this is agreed upon by all animal professionals.



And yet somehow a dog alone in an apartment alone all day will adapt and be fine.

And this is all despite that until very recent history the vast majority of dogs have NEVER been kept indoors living with their human masters.

It doesn't have to be one or the other. With most responsible dog owners, it's not.

Dogs need to be inside, over nights, during inclement weather, to bond with the family at a closer level, during fireworks (which frighten them), etc.

Dogs need to be outside, to exercise, during good weather, to run, to play, etc.

No one here who is trying to deter you from buying dogs keeps their dog indoors 24/7, yet that's the assumption you seem to be making.

What about a person who has one dog, lives alone in an apartment and works all day?

What about it?

I live alone, in an apartment, and work all day with an extremely active dog.

We walk 45 minutes at 6:30 AM every morning, on my lunch break for 30 minutes and for 45 minutes every night when I get home. She's never chewed furniture or messed in the house in the 4 years since she's been with me.

When I'm gone for more than 7-8 hours, I have a dog walker come who runs marathons, so he takes her on a 2 mile jog.

 

[Jayrok]

They will be played with EVERY DAY. How many of you can even say that about your pets?

each and every day. Course they live in the house with the rest of the family.

 

[joffer]

They will be played with EVERY DAY. How many of you can even say that about your pets?

each and every day. Course they live in the house with the rest of the family.

your house must be FILTHY!!!!!!

 

[Bucky86]

So if I'm hearing you all correctly:

Two dogs left outside is at risk for a damaged psyche from being isolated from the rest of the pack family for a lot of the time and because of this I shouldn't have dogs unless I allow them inside and this is agreed upon by all animal professionals.



And yet somehow a dog alone in an apartment alone all day will adapt and be fine.

And this is all despite that until very recent history the vast majority of dogs have NEVER been kept indoors living with their human masters.

It doesn't have to be one or the other. With most responsible dog owners, it's not.

Dogs need to be inside, over nights, during inclement weather, to bond with the family at a closer level, during fireworks (which frighten them), etc.

Dogs need to be outside, to exercise, during good weather, to run, to play, etc.

No one here who is trying to deter you from buying dogs keeps their dog indoors 24/7, yet that's the assumption you seem to be making.

What about a person who has one dog, lives alone in an apartment and works all day?

Previous post answered this. You're taking that dog out 4-6 times a day to pee. This dog is probably sleeping in the bed, or next to the bed.

 

[B-Deep]

They will be played with EVERY DAY. How many of you can even say that about your pets?

each and every day. Course they live in the house with the rest of the family.

the fact that he thinks most dog owners do not play with their dogs every day baffles me

 

[Kev4029]

Finally found it.

The real reason he want's to keep his dogs outside the house

Revelations 22:15

Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practises falsehood.

I'm all for piling on Jayrod, but this stuff you're doing here is pretty weird.

 

[gianmarco]

What is the plan if your neighbors start complaining about your barking dogs outside 24/7? That may not be an issue on the farm or ranch, but it will be in suburbia.

He lives on a spacious 0.6 acre lot. No way anyone can hear with that expansive tract of land.

 

[johnnycakes]

My link.

 

[Bucky86]

My link.

It's almost like Jackassrod is reading right from that article.

 

[Grace Under Pressure]

Wasn't there a What's Normal poll about this in the FFA?

 

[ChainsawU]

Two of them together at all times.

What if they don't get along? Good luck taking one back to the breeder for a refund.

Especially if they don't understand why they are being seperated from the pack and they begin competing for its attention.

 

[gianmarco]

I'd like to actually report you for this thread.

 

[joffer]

what is this cat thread you speak of?

 

[Jayrok]

They will be played with EVERY DAY. How many of you can even say that about your pets?

each and every day. Course they live in the house with the rest of the family.

your house must be FILTHY!!!!!!

yeah but that is mostly because my wife never learned how to operate a vacuum cleaner... and the goats my kids keep in the laundry room.

 

[Jayrod]

My link.

It's almost like Jackassrod is reading right from that article.

I've already read that entire article, ####stick.

 

[boots11234]

What was the title of the cat thread that he posted in? I want to read that first so I can properly pile on here.

 

[Jayrod]

I'd like to actually report you for this thread.

For what? Having a discussion where I'm trying to figure out what is right?

Yeah, excuse me for having a different viewpoint based on my life experiences.

 

[comfortably numb]

What was the title of the cat thread that he posted in? I want to read that first so I can properly pile on here.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=708904&hl=korean

 

[Plorfu]

For what? Having a discussion where I'm trying to figure out what is right?

I know, right? It's almost like people get the impression that your mind is already made up and won't change despite mountains of evidence and differing opinions.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

What was the title of the cat thread that he posted in? I want to read that first so I can properly pile on here.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=708904&hl=korean

There was also one before that where he acted like a horrible person by ripping someone (simey I think) for helping spay/neuter cats.

 

[Jayrod]

What was the title of the cat thread that he posted in? I want to read that first so I can properly pile on here.

Another guy's wife wanted to get rid of their cats because they were having a baby and this place wanted to lynch him.

Just like me, the guy was just trying to figure out what to do, but apparently unless you include your pets on your family Christmas cards dressed in sweaters and leave them half your estate in your will, you are Michael Vick.

There is no room for rational discussion with the iPetNuts

 

[bigmarc27]

I'd like to actually report you for this thread.

For what? Having a discussion where I'm trying to figure out what is right?

It appears like this isn't what's happening though and that you're just looking for someone to confirm your preconceived notions about dog ownership.

 

[Worm]

Jayrod - I think you need to admit/understand the difference between "it's POSSIBLE to get a dog and let it live outside and have it be happy" and "the overwhelming evidence says that leaving a dog outside all the time is not the BEST option for a healthy happy family dog".

I think most people with the opposite viewpoint of you would admit that it's POSSIBLE to have a happy outside dog. But they would still say, and I agree, that it's overwhelmingly not the best option. You need to understand that you are in the minority for a reason.

 

[B-Deep]

What was the title of the cat thread that he posted in? I want to read that first so I can properly pile on here.

Another guy's wife wanted to get rid of their cats because they were having a baby and this place wanted to lynch him.

Just like me, the guy was just trying to figure out what to do, but apparently unless you include your pets on your family Christmas cards dressed in sweaters and leave them half your estate in your will, you are Michael Vick.

There is no room for rational discussion with the iPetNuts

so, for the elevntybillionth time

since you are trying to figure out what to do, are you going to call some vets and ask their opinion?

as a follow up, since you re trying to decide what to do, has anything here given you even the slightest bit of pause as to your original plan?

 

[B-Deep]

how about a pot bellied pig

you should get one of those

 

[Jayrod]

What was the title of the cat thread that he posted in? I want to read that first so I can properly pile on here.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=708904&hl=korean

There was also one before that where he acted like a horrible person by ripping someone (simey I think) for helping spay/neuter cats.

Someone was raising money to spay/neuter a pack of wild cats and I didn't think it was the best idea, so I went way overboard while high on hydrocodone and got all of my posts deleted in the thread. Not my finest moment, but has nothing to do with this thread.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

What was the title of the cat thread that he posted in? I want to read that first so I can properly pile on here.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=708904&hl=korean

There was also one before that where he acted like a horrible person by ripping someone (simey I think) for helping spay/neuter cats.

Someone was raising money to spay/neuter a pack of wild cats and I didn't think it was the best idea, so I went way overboard while high on hydrocodone and got all of my posts deleted in the thread. Not my finest moment, but has nothing to do with this thread.

So you're a drug addict as well? I suggest getting help for that.

ETA: And it is perfectly relevant to this thread. It shows how little you care for pets/animals.

 

[Amused to Death]

Since you specifically mentioned labs in your OP:

One of the most popular breeds in the USA, the Labrador Retriever is loyal, loving, affectionate and patient, making a great family dog. Highly intelligent, good-natured, very willing and eager to please, it is among the top choices for service dog work. Labs love to play, especially in water, never wanting to pass up the opportunity for a good swim. These lively dogs have an excellent, reliable temperament and are friendly, superb with children and equable with other dogs. They crave human leadership and need to feel as though they are part of the family. Labs are easily trained. Some may be reserved with strangers unless very well socialized, preferably while they are still puppies. Adult Labs are very strong; train them while they are puppies to heel on the leash, and not to bolt out doorways and gateways before the humans. These dogs are watchdogs, not guard dogs, although some have been known to guard. They can become destructive if the humans are not 100% pack leader and/or if they do not receive enough mental and physical exercise, and left too much to their own devices. Show lines are generally heavier and easier going than field lines. Field lines tend to be very energetic and will easily become high strung without enough exercise. Labs bred from English lines (English Labs) are more calm and laid back than Labradors bred from American lines. English Labs mature quicker than the American type.

 

[pollardsvision]

My link.

Yeah, the backyard dog becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

People think, "Man, I don't want a smelly, muddy, misbehaving dog living in the house". Then a couple years of rolling in the dirt, being neglected and untrained, wala, they have a smelly, muddy, misbehaving dog that nobody would want in their house. They were right all along!

 

[comfortably numb]

What was the title of the cat thread that he posted in? I want to read that first so I can properly pile on here.

Another guy's wife wanted to get rid of their cats because they were having a baby and this place wanted to lynch him.

Just like me, the guy was just trying to figure out what to do, but apparently unless you include your pets on your family Christmas cards dressed in sweaters and leave them half your estate in your will, you are Michael Vick.

There is no room for rational discussion with the iPetNuts

No offense, but you got exactly what you came looking for.

You're deceiving yourself if you think you came in here looking for an open minded discussion on this.

 

[Jayrod]

What was the title of the cat thread that he posted in? I want to read that first so I can properly pile on here.

Another guy's wife wanted to get rid of their cats because they were having a baby and this place wanted to lynch him.

Just like me, the guy was just trying to figure out what to do, but apparently unless you include your pets on your family Christmas cards dressed in sweaters and leave them half your estate in your will, you are Michael Vick.

There is no room for rational discussion with the iPetNuts

so, for the elevntybillionth time

since you are trying to figure out what to do, are you going to call some vets and ask their opinion?

as a follow up, since you re trying to decide what to do, has anything here given you even the slightest bit of pause as to your original plan?

Yes and yes.

 

[Fennis]

Wasn't there a What's Normal poll about this in the FFA?

close.

After a shower/bath, do you dry off inside the shower/tub or outside? Inside (60%) Outside (40%)

 

[Jayrod]

What was the title of the cat thread that he posted in? I want to read that first so I can properly pile on here.

Another guy's wife wanted to get rid of their cats because they were having a baby and this place wanted to lynch him.

Just like me, the guy was just trying to figure out what to do, but apparently unless you include your pets on your family Christmas cards dressed in sweaters and leave them half your estate in your will, you are Michael Vick.

There is no room for rational discussion with the iPetNuts

No offense, but you got exactly what you came looking for.

You're deceiving yourself if you think you came in here looking for an open minded discussion on this.

No, I didn't.

I honestly had no idea there was any contingent outside of a handful of people that thought keeping pets outside was wrong.

I haven't owned a dog since becoming an adult, so I needed some advice. There was a lot of jackasses in here, but I'm trying to figure it out.

 

[sbonomo]

Serious question: Why not get one of those lab doodle hybrids (No shedding) so they can stay inside? My brother in law has one and they are great dogs. A bit hyper but overall good dogs.

 

[Jayrod]

So if I'm hearing you all correctly:

Two dogs left outside is at risk for a damaged psyche from being isolated from the rest of the pack family for a lot of the time and because of this I shouldn't have dogs unless I allow them inside and this is agreed upon by all animal professionals.

And yet somehow a dog alone in an apartment alone all day will adapt and be fine.

And this is all despite that until very recent history the vast majority of dogs have NEVER been kept indoors living with their human masters.

Why do you keep saying this?

Justification.

I can't wait til his daughter passes the flower of her age.

He is gonna sell her off for 3 goats and 8 shekels.

And you guys can cut the crap with the wife and kids posts.

 

[B-Deep]

What was the title of the cat thread that he posted in? I want to read that first so I can properly pile on here.

Another guy's wife wanted to get rid of their cats because they were having a baby and this place wanted to lynch him.

Just like me, the guy was just trying to figure out what to do, but apparently unless you include your pets on your family Christmas cards dressed in sweaters and leave them half your estate in your will, you are Michael Vick.

There is no room for rational discussion with the iPetNuts

so, for the elevntybillionth time

since you are trying to figure out what to do, are you going to call some vets and ask their opinion?

as a follow up, since you re trying to decide what to do, has anything here given you even the slightest bit of pause as to your original plan?

Yes and yes.

i hope you do and i hope you acurately report what the vets say, i'll be shocked if any recommend you having the dogs live outside

 

[Jayrod]

What was the title of the cat thread that he posted in? I want to read that first so I can properly pile on here.

Another guy's wife wanted to get rid of their cats because they were having a baby and this place wanted to lynch him.

Just like me, the guy was just trying to figure out what to do, but apparently unless you include your pets on your family Christmas cards dressed in sweaters and leave them half your estate in your will, you are Michael Vick.

There is no room for rational discussion with the iPetNuts

so, for the elevntybillionth time

since you are trying to figure out what to do, are you going to call some vets and ask their opinion?

as a follow up, since you re trying to decide what to do, has anything here given you even the slightest bit of pause as to your original plan?

Yes and yes.

i hope you do and i hope you acurately report what the vets say, i'll be shocked if any recommend you having the dogs live outside

I thought this was settled science? Why would they say anything else but dogs must live inside or they are better off dead as you people are trying to tell me?

 

[Amused to Death]

What was the title of the cat thread that he posted in? I want to read that first so I can properly pile on here.

Another guy's wife wanted to get rid of their cats because they were having a baby and this place wanted to lynch him.

Just like me, the guy was just trying to figure out what to do, but apparently unless you include your pets on your family Christmas cards dressed in sweaters and leave them half your estate in your will, you are Michael Vick.

There is no room for rational discussion with the iPetNuts

No offense, but you got exactly what you came looking for.

You're deceiving yourself if you think you came in here looking for an open minded discussion on this.

No, I didn't.

I honestly had no idea there was any contingent outside of a handful of people that thought keeping pets outside was wrong.

I haven't owned a dog since becoming an adult, so I needed some advice. There was a lot of jackasses in here, but I'm trying to figure it out.

Have you researched the breeds you're interested in to see how they would fare if left outdoors? Please don't get a dog of any kind without researching the breed. And if the info you find doesn't support your idea of how they should be kept, please don't refer to them as "jackasses". Don't look for tips if you don't want the advice.