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McGarnicle
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Seeing some incredible deals on Craigslist for brand new tools, all of the top brands. Prices almost too good to be true, so possibly stolen?
the moops
Footballguy
Impact drivers are for driving screws in with much greater torque.Really is quite different using one compared to a drill. It is nice to have both.
the moops
Footballguy
Either that or they lure you to some alley and rape you. But you may get a good deal on the tools still.
Fat Nick
Footballguy
If I was going to start anew with a new set, this would be what I would probably start with. I'd just add any other tools as needed, buying the bare tool to save $.
Re. the impact driver - if you've never had one, and have been driving screws with a drill all your life, and you drive a lot of screws and even lag bolts, it will become your new favorite tool. I use my impact driver probably 2-3x more than my drill now. It's smaller, lighter, and much more powerful. No twisted wrists either.
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Otis
Footballguy
Fat Nick
Footballguy
Haven't used that specific one...if it functions equally as well as a stand-alone drill and a stand-alone impact driver, why not? Looks more compact than a normal drill, which is nice.
The only drawback I could see is that the shorter body style might give you less to "grab on to," if you were drilling into something you were worried might catch. A lot of full-size drills have side-handles. Doesn't look like this can use one of those. Very useful when drilling metal as it tends to catch.
Fat Nick
Footballguy
Just as an FYI - They're loud as #### when they really torque things down. The impact function is essentially a little hammer in the gun. It spins like a normal drill until it encounters resistance, then the impact function kicks in, and it's LOUD. If you're driving fasteners into a wall stud, nobody in the house is sleeping through it. My wife hates it for that one reason.
jwb
Footballguy
McGarnicle
Footballguy
One of them had a DeWalt 20V lithium ion drill, driver, sawzall, flashlight, two batteries and charger for $220. Same set is $379 on Amazon. So yeah, definitely worth taking a #### in the ### for a deal like that.
doowain
Footballguy
I have a Ridgid impact driver and use it for everything. Especially just driving in screws. Love it. Make sure you get impact bits for it though as you'll demolish standard bits.
And I'm not sure about other impact drivers, but the Ridgid line has built in lights. When you squeeze the trigger, a light located on the grip shines on where you are drilling. Can come in quite handy in low light areas.
And I'm not sure about other impact drivers, but the Ridgid line has built in lights. When you squeeze the trigger, a light located on the grip shines on where you are drilling. Can come in quite handy in low light areas.
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Spike
Footballguy
Since you sell them, would you feel you're in a good position to provide an opinion on the merits/demerits of the various items we should purchase?
pollardsvision
Footballguy
The Home Depot around here has 4 or so impact drivers set out in the aisle with screws and a 4x4 for people to test them out. Might help those in the market.
I might just get a cheapo impact from Harbor Freight though. Only $55 and the damn replacement batteries are only $15.
I might just get a cheapo impact from Harbor Freight though. Only $55 and the damn replacement batteries are only $15.
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Tick
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http://www.wwgoa.com/do-i-really-need-an-impact-driver/ was useful for me. I also watched this goober on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2XAECLXsCg - between those two, I felt like I learned enough.Otis said:
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jwb
Footballguy
I do have to say, they don't market these well. I'm a solid homeowner-level DIY guy, and I was very confused when I saw these impact driver / drill combos start to crop up a few years ago. I was thinking "impact driver" meant something like the pneumatic air hammer guns / concrete work / etc. I just don't have a need for that. But now that I know what it is and have one, yea, it's a nice tool.
Fat Nick
Footballguy
I love me some Harbor Freight, but I wouldn't buy anything too complicated from there. I can't imagine their batteries are that good at $15 a pop. There are some things that you just can't cut corners on and not lose a lot of quality.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
The flipside is that the small size comes in handy in may situations around the house - up on a ladder or in a tight spot, underneath something, etc. (I have a Bosch impact driver). The power in these tiny drivers is awesome. The LED is also surprisingly helpful - to the point I get agitated when using a drill/driver that doesn't have one. For the bigger jobs, I have a corded hammer drill. I use that about once every other year ...
belljr
Footballguy
yep I bought my 3rill for light to moderate duty. The light is awesome. Put my lattice up around my deck with it no problems. I also have a heavy drill
Fat Nick
Footballguy
Corded Hammer Drill is on my to-buy list. I'm expanding my deck this spring. Not looking forward to the permit process though as I was hoping to just take a week off work and bang it out, but with having to get the footing holes inspected, etc, I doubt I'll be able to do it that way...
the moops
Footballguy
Yep. No chance I would buy something like a drill at Harbor Freight. A rolling tool chest? Mini chop saw? Small pneumatic tools? Sure.
I wouldnt touch anything that needs to be used as often, and as hard, as a drill/driver.
I go thru probably an average of two or three cordless 20V impact drivers every year. I like the Dewalt dirvers the best just because of their lightweight and ergonomic design. Makita has basically copied their design along with Milwaukee so I don't see a big difference now like there was when Dewalt had the best design.
I don't care about the brushless option and won't pay extra for it. Sadly the reason why we go through so many impact drivers is that they get dropped, a lot of times from 30+ feet onto concrete floors below. It sucks but it happens. Depending on how they land it doesn't always ruin them.
We do light gauge metal framing and cordless impact guns are a godsend along with lasers. I remember the days of not so long ago where we had neither. The 20 volt is a must for us, much more torque and battery lasts longer than 18 volt. When they start making more powerful ones I'll spend the extra money and upgrade. We also buy the big batteries that cost twice as much but last a lot longer.
For us the money spent is more than recouped by increased productivity. The thing that irritates me is Dewalt only sells kits with a charger, impact gun and drill. The drills are useless for us, I wish we could get two impact drivers instead .
I don't care about the brushless option and won't pay extra for it. Sadly the reason why we go through so many impact drivers is that they get dropped, a lot of times from 30+ feet onto concrete floors below. It sucks but it happens. Depending on how they land it doesn't always ruin them.
We do light gauge metal framing and cordless impact guns are a godsend along with lasers. I remember the days of not so long ago where we had neither. The 20 volt is a must for us, much more torque and battery lasts longer than 18 volt. When they start making more powerful ones I'll spend the extra money and upgrade. We also buy the big batteries that cost twice as much but last a lot longer.
For us the money spent is more than recouped by increased productivity. The thing that irritates me is Dewalt only sells kits with a charger, impact gun and drill. The drills are useless for us, I wish we could get two impact drivers instead .
Dickies
Footballguy
Fat Nick
Footballguy
Buy the bare tool. I think I paid like $65 for mine a while back. No case, no battery, no charger, but if you're just replacing a broken one, you probably have that stuff already.For us the money spent is more than recouped by increased productivity. The thing that irritates me is Dewalt only sells kits with a charger, impact gun and drill. The drills are useless for us, I wish we could get two impact drivers instead .
Thanks, never bothered seeing if I could buy those separately.Buy the bare tool. I think I paid like $65 for mine a while back. No case, no battery, no charger, but if you're just replacing a broken one, you probably have that stuff already.For us the money spent is more than recouped by increased productivity. The thing that irritates me is Dewalt only sells kits with a charger, impact gun and drill. The drills are useless for us, I wish we could get two impact drivers instead .
Garrett
Footballguy
Factory reconditioned Milwaukee stuff has been my go to for years...
http://www.cpomilwaukee.com/milwaukee-reconditioned-power-tools/milwaukee-reconditioned-power-tools,default,sc.html
...I've never had a single problem and some of them I've been using regularly for over a decade.
http://www.cpomilwaukee.com/milwaukee-reconditioned-power-tools/milwaukee-reconditioned-power-tools,default,sc.html
...I've never had a single problem and some of them I've been using regularly for over a decade.
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GTBilly
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Whatever is the Dewalt authorized repair shop in your area is where you go to get naked tools.Thanks, never bothered seeing if I could buy those separately.Buy the bare tool. I think I paid like $65 for mine a while back. No case, no battery, no charger, but if you're just replacing a broken one, you probably have that stuff already.For us the money spent is more than recouped by increased productivity. The thing that irritates me is Dewalt only sells kits with a charger, impact gun and drill. The drills are useless for us, I wish we could get two impact drivers instead .
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
I'm flipping a home in Vegas and have had terrible luck with DeWalt on a heavy application, mixing concrete resurfacer for stained concrete floors. It's the same job as mixing thinset. I bought this drill and the motor burned up mixing the first 40 pound bag. Sent it back for another one which lasted for 9 bags before the chuck gave failed. Sent it back for this Hitachi which mixed over 50 bags and seems good as new. I've quit cordless stuff unless there's no electricity available. Better power, lighter weight, no overpriced batteries, cords don't bother me. This was an epiphany.
Also found out DeWalt is now owned by Black and Decker (Walmart brand), built in the same Chinese factory and share motors, electronics and other various parts. DeWalt has much tougher cases but I think my favorite old brand is not what it used to be.
Also found out DeWalt is now owned by Black and Decker (Walmart brand), built in the same Chinese factory and share motors, electronics and other various parts. DeWalt has much tougher cases but I think my favorite old brand is not what it used to be.
McGarnicle
Footballguy
Pretty great deal on Amazon until Jan. 31. Buy this 20V brushless hammer drill & impact driver set and get another free tool. I got this reciprocating saw for free. Unfortunately the drill & driver set takes 4-6 weeks to ship but for this deal I don't mind waiting. These brushless motors look pretty sweet.
the moops
Footballguy
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
I hadn't used my ryobi since this thread was started and began to get insecure over owning one.
Yesterday I had to use a drill pump to get water out of the cylinder that my propane tank regulator is buried in. I broke out the ryobi and pumped out at least 15gal of water in a couple minutes.
Great drill and plenty for what I use it for around the house.
Yesterday I had to use a drill pump to get water out of the cylinder that my propane tank regulator is buried in. I broke out the ryobi and pumped out at least 15gal of water in a couple minutes.
Great drill and plenty for what I use it for around the house.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Tool snobs are funny. If you use power tools for work, then top of the line stuff makes sense. If you don't, they all do the same basic things just fine, if not exactly the same. My 18v cordless nicd battery Ryobi is 15 years old. It's outworked and outlasted a similar DeWalt. It has more features than most of what's on the market now, all 100% functional. It's worn out 4 batteries and that's the only issue. It was cheap so I abused it. It looks like it's been through a war. It's down to it's last battery though. Those stupid things cost too much.avoiding injuries said:
pollardsvision
Footballguy
Anybody use 3rd party batteries with success?
I was planning essentially chucking the DeWalt when the last battery goes. Not paying $70 for a battery when a few bucks more will get you a new drill, 2 batteries, and a case. But $20-30 might be worth it if they really work well.
Or at least make it worth keeping the dewalt as a backup when I go buy a Hitachi impact because FBGs said don't do the Harbor Freight impact.
I was planning essentially chucking the DeWalt when the last battery goes. Not paying $70 for a battery when a few bucks more will get you a new drill, 2 batteries, and a case. But $20-30 might be worth it if they really work well.
Or at least make it worth keeping the dewalt as a backup when I go buy a Hitachi impact because FBGs said don't do the Harbor Freight impact.
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pollardsvision
Footballguy
I only wanted the impact, but they make the combo kits too good a deal to refuse.
I ended up going with the Hitachi set (I got the newer version of that set. $159. no flash light and a soft case) , but really had a hard time passing up that 20V Porter Cable set.
Those PC's have a really awesome Transformer look going on. The sort of look people are either going to love or hate, I guess.
Both seemed like great deals. I couldn't really find better deals on Amazon or eBay than what Lowe's has. Probably should've gone with the PC's. On paper, they make more sense. More torque, metal chuck, etc. Really just wanted those Hitachi's for some reason though.
Actually, this is the exact set. Looks like they just added it to the website.
I ended up going with the Hitachi set (I got the newer version of that set. $159. no flash light and a soft case) , but really had a hard time passing up that 20V Porter Cable set.
Those PC's have a really awesome Transformer look going on. The sort of look people are either going to love or hate, I guess.
Both seemed like great deals. I couldn't really find better deals on Amazon or eBay than what Lowe's has. Probably should've gone with the PC's. On paper, they make more sense. More torque, metal chuck, etc. Really just wanted those Hitachi's for some reason though.
Actually, this is the exact set. Looks like they just added it to the website.
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I have never bought another SKIL product but was curious if anyone here has and where they'd rank here.
Their saw is famously durable and I have thrown out a dewalt saw. I call it a "skill saw" like everyone else, not sure what the true name is. Defacto cut everything beast that runs on cordless battery
I look at em and think they're cheap and they really do make a good saw, but...need a recommendation before I'll ever try a different company's tool.
Their saw is famously durable and I have thrown out a dewalt saw. I call it a "skill saw" like everyone else, not sure what the true name is. Defacto cut everything beast that runs on cordless battery
I look at em and think they're cheap and they really do make a good saw, but...need a recommendation before I'll ever try a different company's tool.
Osaurus
Footballguy
Ended up going with the DeWalt combo from Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0052MIIX2/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1. Not ever having an impact driver before now, it is pretty awesome. Like the weight and the power. Much better than the POS DeWalt drill I had before. Suprisingly pleased so far based on my level of usage so far.
ChiefD
Footballguy
Don't. My wife, bless her heart, tried to buy me replacement batteries third party, and they didn't last 6 months.
ChiefD
Footballguy
Yeah, that DeWalt drill you bought really isn't designed for low torque applications like mixing thinset and such. The Hitachi has a lower RPM, so it's going to generate more torque and really is a better drill for what you are using it for.
Black and Decker the company has actually owned DeWalt since the 1960's. The DeWalt name was synonymous with great woodworking tools, specifically the radial arm saw. Back in the 90's, Black and Decker was looking to completely revamp their contractor lines, because up until then they just basically had the Black and Decker name on everything. So consumers would buy a tool for contracting that was really designed as a homeowners cheaper tool.
When they re-launched the DeWalt name, they were designed and built as a beefier tool with better motors and stronger components. A fair amount of their tools were built in the USA, and I believe still are. Some, I am sure, are built overseas. I have personally worked on the DeWalt manufacturer line as part of training when I worked for Black and Decker in the 90's. If I remember, the plant was in Virginia.
Anyway, they are good tools. I still believe in them after all these years, but I also believe that each tool manufacturer has their strong points. Makita has ALWAYS had a good cordless line - I personally believe DeWalt is close to being comparable.
Milwaulkee has always had the best recip saw and heavy corded drills like the Hole Hawg. DeWalt has great woodworking tools now. Porter Cable has always had a solid line of wood working tools.
If I'm a consumer, any of these brands will provide a good solid tool.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Thanks Chief. Makes sense. But why make a 10 amp drill that's not designed for mixing!? Aaah!ChiefD said:
I agree 100% with your last sentence and think it applies to Skil, Stanley, B&D, Ryobi, Craftsmen, etc., with the probable exception of Harbor Freight. It's no secret they all work fine, are comparable to higher end brands unless under very heavy use, and they all outlive similar warranties by years. I closed an RV dealership almost 20 years ago and took all the repair shop's tools with me (sold the pneumatics), and have used every brand mentioned in this thread quite a bit for one job or another.
When we (family project with brother and nephews) decided to resurface and stain 7000 sq ft of concrete, including a patio, garage and driveway, none of us had a drill up to the job. Cordless isn't a consideration, and my old corded DeWalt 8 amp had gone missing. I've been mixing thinset for 30 years and have always been able to control torque (and more importantly motor heat) with the trigger, but not so easy with that 10 amp.
McGarnicle
Footballguy
Holy crap, this was delivered today, so not a long wait at all. Awesome deal for some high quality tools.PM's accepted if anyone wants to buy my Ryobi stuff.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
I've had the Hitachi impact and drill for about 8 months now, and just love them. Well, the impact at least. It eliminates most jobs that I'd ever use a cordless drill for. I really only use the drill if i feel like pre-drilling some holes, or need to drill through wood and don't want to deal with an extension cord (drilling through concrete or metal I grab the corded drill).
I haven't used a ton of other impacts, and it seems like all the main brands work great, but I do like the feel of the Hitachi compared to most others. With a lot of others, they don't feel balanced when I pick them up. They want to lean backwards, while the Hitachi feels perfectly balanced in the hand. Particularly compared to the Ridgid or PC, which are the brands I'd have likely chosen otherwise (not looking to spend Milwaukee or Makita money).
I like the impact enough that I ended up getting a Hitachi cordless jig saw and grass trimmer. Cordless tools outside of an impact might be expensive and underpowered, but they really are handy. A cordless grass trimmer is an odd thing to have, but it's super convenient and gets the job done.
I did end up getting my MIL a set of Porter Cables to replace her POS Craftsman NiCd drill. Nice little set, and it appears Lowe's positioning PC to compete directly with Ryobi.
I haven't used a ton of other impacts, and it seems like all the main brands work great, but I do like the feel of the Hitachi compared to most others. With a lot of others, they don't feel balanced when I pick them up. They want to lean backwards, while the Hitachi feels perfectly balanced in the hand. Particularly compared to the Ridgid or PC, which are the brands I'd have likely chosen otherwise (not looking to spend Milwaukee or Makita money).
I like the impact enough that I ended up getting a Hitachi cordless jig saw and grass trimmer. Cordless tools outside of an impact might be expensive and underpowered, but they really are handy. A cordless grass trimmer is an odd thing to have, but it's super convenient and gets the job done.
I did end up getting my MIL a set of Porter Cables to replace her POS Craftsman NiCd drill. Nice little set, and it appears Lowe's positioning PC to compete directly with Ryobi.
