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Please, NO at home is better than SF and Seattle.
I want the youth movement to happen. Ingram and Khiry should be getting the bulk of the work with Sproles as the change of pace. I love PT but I think his ship has sailed. He is just not putting up the same numbers this year as in years past. Ingram should be the workhorse and I would love to see at least a 50/50 split run pass offense with a stout defense. That would eliminate the pressure from Brees and his need to throw careless passes into traffic.
I was kind of thinking "Weren't we just essentially told upthread that the '12th Man' is never weak?"
12th mans weak is another clubs fan base best day. So its really relative. I wasn't at that game but many reported it was the 12th mans worst showing in a long time. They showed up against the rams. Take what you want from that.
That early on, it depends how far behind. Down 21-0 after 15 minutes is a big problem. Down 10-7 is reasonable.
1) The college championship is a neutral field.
... you think intangibles never matter at all? Should the Saints win, nothing about the outcome will be quantifiable in advance. And games aren't played on paper. So ... don't unquantifiable things count quite a lot -- and quite often at that? NFL games aren't pure mathematical exercises. Especially in the playoffs.Can't argue intangibles or gauge it so why are you trying?
One thing I was very wrong about this season:
Sorry, as much as I hate the Niners, that wasn't grounding. Good no call.
Good thing Seattle doesn't have emotion or good coaching on its side.
I was stuck in that line of thinking as well. Then we started losing.
You are talking about vegas point spread. I am talking about all the talking heads on ESPN Fox and everywhere else. They all picked against the Saints except for the Arizona game that year. I remember it too well. This year the Saints deserve the disrespect. They haven't earned anything in Seattle. That doesn't mean they don't feel it. And yes the Seahawks play with emotion and are well coached but it is a different kind of emotion than what I am talking about. Seattle is supposed to win and they blew the Saints out and they will expect a similar type performance coming their way this time. Well maybe. The Seattle news paper recently had a poll of all the NFC teams and out of the possible scenarios it was the Saints the fans wanted to come back to Seattle because they too think we are easy pickins. Again, well maybe but I think these same fans will rethink that vote because the game is going to be a nail biter and it will be close. It is not going to be one sided, not this time. The Saints may well loose but they are going to play in such a way as to earn respect this time.
The Vikings were not highly favored. The Saints were favored in that game, by 4 points, IIRC.
Also, the Colts were around 4-point favorites over the Saints in the Super Bowl, which is more of a slight favorite than a heavy favorite.
And the Saints were 7-point favorites in the divisional round against Arizona. How is that Arizona being heavily favored??
Keep playing the disrespect card all you want, but don't play the revisionist history game in the process.
You are talking about vegas point spread. I am talking about all the talking heads on ESPN Fox and everywhere else.
The Vikings were not highly favored. The Saints were favored in that game, by 4 points, IIRC.
Also, the Colts were around 4-point favorites over the Saints in the Super Bowl, which is more of a slight favorite than a heavy favorite.
And the Saints were 7-point favorites in the divisional round against Arizona. How is that Arizona being heavily favored??
Keep playing the disrespect card all you want, but don't play the revisionist history game in the process.
B.S.
I have it on DVD-RYou are talking about vegas point spread. I am talking about all the talking heads on ESPN Fox and everywhere else.
The Vikings were not highly favored. The Saints were favored in that game, by 4 points, IIRC.
Also, the Colts were around 4-point favorites over the Saints in the Super Bowl, which is more of a slight favorite than a heavy favorite.
And the Saints were 7-point favorites in the divisional round against Arizona. How is that Arizona being heavily favored??
Keep playing the disrespect card all you want, but don't play the revisionist history game in the process.
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Sorry brother, but the game will either be in Seattle or San Fran next year and probably a few years after that. It would be best for you Saints fans to just come to terms with it now.
My bad, and Sweeney too. IIRC he's equally agitated about crappy play calling and offensive woes.
I went ahead and fixed your post for you. Hope you didn't mind.
We go to NO, we have a 50% chance of winning and we wouldn't lose by more than 7. Saints come to Seattle, they have a 20% chance of winning and losing 34-7 is pretty easy to see happening.
Care to look at Payton's record at home versus Seattle's over that same span? Here's a hint: He hasn't lost at home in two seasons. Not a whole lot before that either.
I'd actually be shocked if there were any Seahawks fans that aren't a little concerned about the passing game over the past three weeks. However one of the big "changes" that was made during the STL game was the quick pass game to slants and quick outs. Those were missing from the previous games in favor of running the ball and long passes to the outside.
Can you find me a single article referring the Saints having the best HFA in football? I can't find one. Plenty of articles talking about the clink and the HFA of the Hawks.
I'm just looking at the stats, not at articles that feature people with neon green paint on their face.
That is utter crap, and you know it.You are talking about vegas point spread. I am talking about all the talking heads on ESPN Fox and everywhere else. They all picked against the Saints except for the Arizona game that year. I remember it too well. This year the Saints deserve the disrespect. They haven't earned anything in Seattle. That doesn't mean they don't feel it. And yes the Seahawks play with emotion and are well coached but it is a different kind of emotion than what I am talking about. Seattle is supposed to win and they blew the Saints out and they will expect a similar type performance coming their way this time. Well maybe. The Seattle news paper recently had a poll of all the NFC teams and out of the possible scenarios it was the Saints the fans wanted to come back to Seattle because they too think we are easy pickins. Again, well maybe but I think these same fans will rethink that vote because the game is going to be a nail biter and it will be close. It is not going to be one sided, not this time. The Saints may well loose but they are going to play in such a way as to earn respect this time.
The Vikings were not highly favored. The Saints were favored in that game, by 4 points, IIRC.
Also, the Colts were around 4-point favorites over the Saints in the Super Bowl, which is more of a slight favorite than a heavy favorite.
And the Saints were 7-point favorites in the divisional round against Arizona. How is that Arizona being heavily favored??
Keep playing the disrespect card all you want, but don't play the revisionist history game in the process.
Wins? At home. Shouldn't that be a key statistic when discussing who has the biggest advantage when playing in their own house?
I think Breesisdaman is mostly right here. Not that I took a head count or anything, but I think the national-media consensus in the 2009 playoffs was about 50-50 for the NFC title game. For Super Bowl XLIV, though, ISTM that 4 out of 5 talking heads favored the Colts. Prognosticators picking the Saints could be found, but the Colts had numbers.
Nope. Point differential between road and home games are the best indicator of HFA. Read the article below. #######
That's fine, but just don't feed us this nonsense about every single person in the media picking against the Saints in '09 when that clearly wasn't the case. That kind of "wahhhh, no one respects us and gives us a chance" bull #### line means nothing, and won't have anything to do with how the Saints play on Sunday.
Good thing is the mindset of the Seahawks and their mantra the entire year has helped to eliminate overconfidence.
Dunno ... Sean Payton, among almost all other sports coaches, has been known to play that "no respect" card during game week
