New Rule really unfair to the Colts and their tempo (1 Viewer)

[JohnnyU]

I know, let's get it out of the way so we can discuss it rationally

The new rule for placing the ball and getting out of the way before the offense can snap the ball really hurts the Colts tempo. Manning will have to adjust. What I hope for is an adjustment to the rule. You could see the frustration with the refs on Manning's face. I can't say that I blame him however. I know they said the reason for the rule is to cut back on ref injuries, but it will really hurt up tempo offenses or any team trying to snap the ball quickly. Like Grueden said, this rule will make for some boring football.

Updated to make post less aimed at the Colts. Hopefully that will eliminate the BS.

 

[24seven]

not cool if you ask me. that play where they threw the flag for the ref not being past the last man in the backfield? seriously? now he has to wait for the ref to get far enough back. look to the sideline for the signal from the side judge. this needs to be changed before the season starts. what is going to happen when a team has no more time outs and has to spike the ball? are they going to have to wait for the ref to get far enough back. there is going to be serious backlash from this.

 

[JohnnyU]

not cool if you ask me. that play where they threw the flag for the ref not being past the last man in the backfield? seriously? now he has to wait for the ref to get far enough back. look to the sideline for the signal from the side judge. this needs to be changed before the season starts. what is going to happen when a team has no more time outs and has to spike the ball? are they going to have to wait for the ref to get far enough back. there is going to be serious backlash from this.

Very well said.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

JohnnyU, I could not agree with you more. Gruden hates the rule too. The fan loses out again.

 

[GregR_2]

not cool if you ask me. that play where they threw the flag for the ref not being past the last man in the backfield? seriously? now he has to wait for the ref to get far enough back. look to the sideline for the signal from the side judge. this needs to be changed before the season starts. what is going to happen when a team has no more time outs and has to spike the ball? are they going to have to wait for the ref to get far enough back. there is going to be serious backlash from this.

No, the new positioning of the refs goes back to the old setup during the final 2 minutes of a half.I think Johnny U should probably just go delete the stuff about it being aimed right at the Colts as that's just asking to make this thread turn into a useless bunch of arguing.

But I agree with the main point that the new setup has shortcomings and will affect games. It isn't just teams who run a fast tempo, but any team who tries to get to the line and snap the ball right away so the other team doesn't have time to see a lot of replays before deciding to challenge a play or not.

At the very least if they are going to do this, they should have to whistle when the offense can legally snap the ball, and not make the QB look away from the field of play as he has to now to spot the signal. I'm all for safety, but I'm not sure the impact on the game is going to be worth the change in this instance.

 

[Novice2]

not cool if you ask me. that play where they threw the flag for the ref not being past the last man in the backfield? seriously? now he has to wait for the ref to get far enough back. look to the sideline for the signal from the side judge. this needs to be changed before the season starts. what is going to happen when a team has no more time outs and has to spike the ball? are they going to have to wait for the ref to get far enough back. there is going to be serious backlash from this.

Very well said.

wow that sucks that a ref can flag a team for him being a slowass.

 

[Cripster]

I doubt that the rule was established to slow down the colts. It seems to be creating a situation that should have been anticipated by the league. The Colts are good enough to work around this. I expect them to be the team to beat in the AFC. The rule will hamstring a 2 minute drill and cost someone a game.

 

[JohnnyU]

I doubt that the rule was established to slow down the colts. It seems to be creating a situation that should have been anticipated by the league. The Colts are good enough to work around this. I expect them to be the team to beat in the AFC. The rule will hamstring a 2 minute drill and cost someone a game.

I updated the OP to make it less aimed at the Colts. I agree, this rule will cost teams big time. I wouldn't be surprised to see it scrapped before the season starts.

 

[CaptainHook]

incredibly lame rule

 

[The Jerk]

I doubt that the rule was established to slow down the colts. It seems to be creating a situation that should have been anticipated by the league. The Colts are good enough to work around this. I expect them to be the team to beat in the AFC. The rule will hamstring a 2 minute drill and cost someone a game.

I don't mind the idea of moving the umpire but I don't like the waiting for him to be in position. It's mildly inconsistent and seriously distracting -- one more thing the QB needs to keep in mind. However, the rule will have no effect whatsoever on drives inside of two minutes. Hurry-up drills outside of two minutes -- still potentially critical when a team trails by two scores inside of say five minutes to play in the fourth quarter -- will potentially be affected.

 

[renesauz]

Actually...I've watched a TON of preseason football, and tonight was the FIRST time it's been an issue at all. The Colts are #####ing because they can't snap the ball in 10 seconds on normal drives..not even on 2 minute drives...REALLY!!!????

Manning was pushing the envelope to see how quickly he could get away with snaps. IN both case he was flagged, he was less then a second from NOT getting flagged. So the rule forces them to take 11 or 12 seconds between snaps instead of 10...THIS SHOULDN'T BE A BIG DEAL.

I was mildly irritated that Jaws and Gruden were making such a big deal of it. That extra second will not hurt Manning or the Colts' hurry up offense one iota. Opposing teams will still be unable to substitute. I suspect the refs will get a little bit better at quickly marking the ball ready as well to accomadate.

 

[trader jake]

I think the Colts played it perfectly last night. They made their point on the new rule, in a nationally televised game, that didn't matter.

 

[trader jake]

IN both case he was flagged, he was less then a second from NOT getting flagged. So the rule forces them to take 11 or 12 seconds between snaps instead of 10...THIS SHOULDN'T BE A BIG DEAL.

Um, that's a huge deal. On the Colts second offensive play of the game last night Manning turned a second of indecision by the Packers secondary into a TD strike.

 

[The Great Snook]

Well considering how many rules have been put in place to benefit the Colts it is about time that one went against them.

 

[cobalt_27]

I know, let's get it out of the way so we can discuss it rationally

The new rule for placing the ball and getting out of the way before the offense can snap the ball really hurts the Colts tempo. Manning will have to adjust. What I hope for is an adjustment to the rule. You could see the frustration with the refs on Manning's face. I can't say that I blame him however. I know they said the reason for the rule is to cut back on ref injuries, but it will really hurt up tempo offenses or any team trying to snap the ball quickly. Like Grueden said, this rule will make for some boring football.

Updated to make post less aimed at the Colts. Hopefully that will eliminate the BS.

You asked for the BS with the title of your thread whining about the new rule being unfair to the Colts. Perhaps you should look in the mirror before you start jabbering on about everyone else's BS.

 

[JohnnyU]

I know, let's get it out of the way so we can discuss it rationally

The new rule for placing the ball and getting out of the way before the offense can snap the ball really hurts the Colts tempo. Manning will have to adjust. What I hope for is an adjustment to the rule. You could see the frustration with the refs on Manning's face. I can't say that I blame him however. I know they said the reason for the rule is to cut back on ref injuries, but it will really hurt up tempo offenses or any team trying to snap the ball quickly. Like Grueden said, this rule will make for some boring football.

Updated to make post less aimed at the Colts. Hopefully that will eliminate the BS.

You asked for the BS with the title of your thread whining about the new rule being unfair to the Colts. Perhaps you should look in the mirror before you start jabbering on about everyone else's BS.

What BS? Let's see if I was justified.

 

[JohnnyU]

Well considering how many rules have been put in place to benefit the Colts it is about time that one went against them.

I bet they ditch it, or at least modify it.

 

[cobalt_27]

I know, let's get it out of the way so we can discuss it rationally

The new rule for placing the ball and getting out of the way before the offense can snap the ball really hurts the Colts tempo. Manning will have to adjust. What I hope for is an adjustment to the rule. You could see the frustration with the refs on Manning's face. I can't say that I blame him however. I know they said the reason for the rule is to cut back on ref injuries, but it will really hurt up tempo offenses or any team trying to snap the ball quickly. Like Grueden said, this rule will make for some boring football.

Updated to make post less aimed at the Colts. Hopefully that will eliminate the BS.

You asked for the BS with the title of your thread whining about the new rule being unfair to the Colts. Perhaps you should look in the mirror before you start jabbering on about everyone else's BS.

What BS? Let's see if I was justified.

I don't know. You said you changed your post to "eliminate the BS." You tell us.I'm just pointing out that the title in your thread likely will continue to invite whatever BS you thought was going to be eliminated by changing the content of your discussion.

 

[JohnnyU]

I know, let's get it out of the way so we can discuss it rationally

The new rule for placing the ball and getting out of the way before the offense can snap the ball really hurts the Colts tempo. Manning will have to adjust. What I hope for is an adjustment to the rule. You could see the frustration with the refs on Manning's face. I can't say that I blame him however. I know they said the reason for the rule is to cut back on ref injuries, but it will really hurt up tempo offenses or any team trying to snap the ball quickly. Like Grueden said, this rule will make for some boring football.

Updated to make post less aimed at the Colts. Hopefully that will eliminate the BS.

You asked for the BS with the title of your thread whining about the new rule being unfair to the Colts. Perhaps you should look in the mirror before you start jabbering on about everyone else's BS.

What BS? Let's see if I was justified.

I don't know. You said you changed your post to "eliminate the BS." You tell us.I'm just pointing out that the title in your thread likely will continue to invite whatever BS you thought was going to be eliminated by changing the content of your discussion.

I modified the OP, but not the title because it is unfair to the Colts. Having said that, the thread is going pretty good without much BS ........until now

 

[Happy Ragnarok]

Every rule change alters the competitive landscape.

When they change the rules on what defensive linemen are allowed to do to get to the QB, teams with big, nasty head-slapping DE's take a hit. Sorry, Deacon Jones.

When they change the rules on pass defense to make things more favorable for the receiver, teams with big, physical corners who like to brutalize WR's rather than cover them take a hit. Sorry, Mel Blount.

When they change the rules on blocking schemes and techniques to defend the defensive linemen, teams that have spent tens of millions to stockpile smaller, quicker offensive linemen take a hit. Sorry, Denver Broncos.

When they change the rules on timing the snap, teams that have designed their playbook to be gimmicky and fast take a hit. Sorry, Peyton Manning.

The game changes constantly. Teams that are good, adapt. Hardly the first time a rule has scuttled a competitive advantage for a Hall of Famer. Might be the first time he has the media presence and Q rating to whine his way out of it.

 

[JohnnyU]

Every rule change alters the competitive landscape.When they change the rules on what defensive linemen are allowed to do to get to the QB, teams with big, nasty head-slapping DE's take a hit. Sorry, Deacon Jones.When they change the rules on pass defense to make things more favorable for the receiver, teams with big, physical corners who like to brutalize WR's rather than cover them take a hit. Sorry, Mel Blount.When they change the rules on blocking schemes and techniques to defend the defensive linemen, teams that have spent tens of millions to stockpile smaller, quicker offensive linemen take a hit. Sorry, Denver Broncos.When they change the rules on timing the snap, teams that have designed their playbook to be gimmicky and fast take a hit. Sorry, Peyton Manning.The game changes constantly. Teams that are good, adapt. Hardly the first time a rule has scuttled a competitive advantage for a Hall of Famer. Might be the first time he has the media presence and Q rating to whine his way out of it.

It's not just for Peyton Manning and the Colts, but any team trying to do a quick snap. The fans are big losers as well. No one wants to see the refs slow the game down.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

JohnnyU, I could not agree with you more. Gruden hates the rule too. The fan loses out again.

I was shocked when I saw that last night. This is the dumbest rule ever. I truly can't believe this even made it into the rulebook.

 

[cobalt_27]

I know, let's get it out of the way so we can discuss it rationally

The new rule for placing the ball and getting out of the way before the offense can snap the ball really hurts the Colts tempo. Manning will have to adjust. What I hope for is an adjustment to the rule. You could see the frustration with the refs on Manning's face. I can't say that I blame him however. I know they said the reason for the rule is to cut back on ref injuries, but it will really hurt up tempo offenses or any team trying to snap the ball quickly. Like Grueden said, this rule will make for some boring football.

Updated to make post less aimed at the Colts. Hopefully that will eliminate the BS.

You asked for the BS with the title of your thread whining about the new rule being unfair to the Colts. Perhaps you should look in the mirror before you start jabbering on about everyone else's BS.

What BS? Let's see if I was justified.

I don't know. You said you changed your post to "eliminate the BS." You tell us.I'm just pointing out that the title in your thread likely will continue to invite whatever BS you thought was going to be eliminated by changing the content of your discussion.

I modified the OP, but not the title because it is unfair to the Colts. Having said that, the thread is going pretty good without much BS ........until now

Your thread title could use some work. Otherwise, it makes you look like you're whimpering about the league persecuting the Colts and only the Colts.

 

[cobalt_27]

Every rule change alters the competitive landscape.

When they change the rules on what defensive linemen are allowed to do to get to the QB, teams with big, nasty head-slapping DE's take a hit. Sorry, Deacon Jones.

When they change the rules on pass defense to make things more favorable for the receiver, teams with big, physical corners who like to brutalize WR's rather than cover them take a hit. Sorry, Mel Blount.

When they change the rules on blocking schemes and techniques to defend the defensive linemen, teams that have spent tens of millions to stockpile smaller, quicker offensive linemen take a hit. Sorry, Denver Broncos.

When they change the rules on timing the snap, teams that have designed their playbook to be gimmicky and fast take a hit. Sorry, Peyton Manning.

The game changes constantly. Teams that are good, adapt. Hardly the first time a rule has scuttled a competitive advantage for a Hall of Famer. Might be the first time he has the media presence and Q rating to whine his way out of it.

It's not just for Peyton Manning and the Colts, but any team trying to do a quick snap. The fans are big losers as well. No one wants to see the refs slow the game down.

And, point made.

 

[identikit]

Your thread title could use some work. Otherwise, it makes you look like you're whimpering about the league persecuting the Colts and only the Colts.

Yep.

 

[ahill84006]

I think the only way it effects teams, would be like another poster mentioned, the spike to stop the clock. If it is late in the game and a team is trying to move the ball and has no time outs, a second is very valuable. I can see where it would hurt teams.

Now the "hurry-up" offenses will just have to adjust. Trying to catch your opponent off-sides, or with too many men on the field, (one of the Colts favorite things to do), might be effected too, but to me that just eliminates cheap penalties.

I mean, if you get that called on the defense, the play stops anyway, right? It just seems to me that the Colts were getting an advantage taken away from them, and were not happy about it.

Just my .02

 

[ang12]

The Colts should learn to deal with it, but at the same time, the refs weren't exactly on their game last night. The umpire mistakenly lined up behind the defensive line on a couple instances out of habit and I think the referee ended spotting the ball a couple times. All the crews need to watch last night's tape and make sure they have it down.

 

[shader]

Yeah this rule is terrible, I'm sure the Colts will have lots of trouble scoring points now.

Let's face it, the NFL has bent over backwards to give Peyton every favorable rule possible and we now have a league that is all about passing.

Also, there is no question that Peyton was TRYING to make a point in the game and get flagged just so he could cause the controversy.

More stuff to take the attention off of another epic playoff choke in 2009.

 

[cobalt_27]

This rule change is completely idiotic. But, not because it's unfair to the Colts.

Johnny U, I'm sure you're aware of the phrase: "When people say it's not about the money...it's about the money." Well, when you say this thread is not about the Colts...your thread title clearly states otherwise. And, more incoming BS and a focus squarely on the Colts. Which, I think is actually what you wanted.

Anyway, it could have been a good discussion about the rule change. This thread reminds me of

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[road warrior]

Well, Manning won't be able to use the ref's as picks any longer.

 

[Jolly Swagman]

This rule change is completely idiotic. But, not because it's unfair to the Colts.

Johnny U, I'm sure you're aware of the phrase: "When people say it's not about the money...it's about the money." Well, when you say this thread is not about the Colts...your thread title clearly states otherwise. And, more incoming BS and a focus squarely on the Colts. Which, I think is actually what you wanted.

Anyway, it could have been a good discussion about the rule change. This thread reminds me of

I think your point has been made clear. You could lay off the OP now and talk about the topic, or continue to be a toolyour choice

 

[renesauz]

Well, Manning won't be able to use the ref's as picks any longer.

I honestly think it's a good rule. The offense doesn't need the artificial advantage of snapping the next play 1 second after the ball's been placed on the ground. Manning likes it...but he's the only one who's ever been able to do that effectively. More, this rule only changes that 1 second to 3 seconds...not exactly a huge boon to the defense there.

And will people quit talking about the 2 minute drill already...at least learn the rule before you criticize it. The Ump goes back to his old position in the last 2 minutes of a half.

ETA: IN 35+ preseasons games thus far, only last night was this even a remote factor. BOTH FLAGS happened when Manning snapped the ball 1/2 second too soon...a HALF SECOND. IN BOTH cases, the play clock was still around 30 seconds!!!!!! It was my distinct impression that Manning was using the game as a platform to make the officials (and the rule) look bad on purpose.

The rule doesn't stop the hurry up...just the most ridiculously quick quick-snaps.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

This rule change is completely idiotic. But, not because it's unfair to the Colts.

Johnny U, I'm sure you're aware of the phrase: "When people say it's not about the money...it's about the money." Well, when you say this thread is not about the Colts...your thread title clearly states otherwise. And, more incoming BS and a focus squarely on the Colts. Which, I think is actually what you wanted.

Anyway, it could have been a good discussion about the rule change. This thread reminds me of

Glad people can see past the fact that this was the Colts and Manning that were the first ones affected by this ridiculous rule.

/sarcasm

 

[LTF]

Well, Manning won't be able to use the ref's as picks any longer.

Yep, something teams like the Colts have been doing unfairly for YEARS. And yes, I do feel Peyton was going out of his way to make a big deal over this change. It's amazing how flustered he can get if everything isn't just absolutely perfect for him. Probably explains a lot of the big moment chokes he's had when he's taken out of his comfort zone.

 

[Jolly Swagman]

Well, Manning won't be able to use the ref's as picks any longer.

I honestly think it's a good rule. The offense doesn't need the artificial advantage of snapping the next play 1 second after the ball's been placed on the ground. Manning likes it...but he's the only one who's ever been able to do that effectively. More, this rule only changes that 1 second to 3 seconds...not exactly a huge boon to the defense there.

And will people quit talking about the 2 minute drill already...at least learn the rule before you criticize it. The Ump goes back to his old position in the last 2 minutes of a half.

2 minute drill <> last two minutes of a halfif you are down by 10 with 4:30 left a team will often enter the "2 minute drill" or hurry up offense to try and conserve time.

anytime in the 4th quarter a team could feel the need to play hurry up.

I do understand the safety issue though, those refs can get hammered. I don't think the rule is going away, and i think teams and refs will adjust.

 

[unckeyherb]

Every rule change alters the competitive landscape.When they change the rules on what defensive linemen are allowed to do to get to the QB, teams with big, nasty head-slapping DE's take a hit. Sorry, Deacon Jones.When they change the rules on pass defense to make things more favorable for the receiver, teams with big, physical corners who like to brutalize WR's rather than cover them take a hit. Sorry, Mel Blount.When they change the rules on blocking schemes and techniques to defend the defensive linemen, teams that have spent tens of millions to stockpile smaller, quicker offensive linemen take a hit. Sorry, Denver Broncos.When they change the rules on timing the snap, teams that have designed their playbook to be gimmicky and fast take a hit. Sorry, Peyton Manning.The game changes constantly. Teams that are good, adapt. Hardly the first time a rule has scuttled a competitive advantage for a Hall of Famer. Might be the first time he has the media presence and Q rating to whine his way out of it.

very

 

[Insein]

I think the Colts played it perfectly last night. They made their point on the new rule, in a nationally televised game, that didn't matter.

Absolutely. The league WILL change this. They saw the unintended consequence right before their eyes and luckily for them it cost them nothing at the moment. The competition comittee will be all over this on Tuesday.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

I know, let's get it out of the way so we can discuss it rationally The new rule for placing the ball and getting out of the way before the offense can snap the ball really hurts the Colts tempo. Manning will have to adjust. What I hope for is an adjustment to the rule. You could see the frustration with the refs on Manning's face. I can't say that I blame him however. I know they said the reason for the rule is to cut back on ref injuries, but it will really hurt up tempo offenses or any team trying to snap the ball quickly. Like Grueden said, this rule will make for some boring football.Updated to make post less aimed at the Colts. Hopefully that will eliminate the BS.

 

[renesauz]

Well, Manning won't be able to use the ref's as picks any longer.

I honestly think it's a good rule. The offense doesn't need the artificial advantage of snapping the next play 1 second after the ball's been placed on the ground. Manning likes it...but he's the only one who's ever been able to do that effectively. More, this rule only changes that 1 second to 3 seconds...not exactly a huge boon to the defense there.

And will people quit talking about the 2 minute drill already...at least learn the rule before you criticize it. The Ump goes back to his old position in the last 2 minutes of a half.

2 minute drill <> last two minutes of a halfif you are down by 10 with 4:30 left a team will often enter the "2 minute drill" or hurry up offense to try and conserve time.

anytime in the 4th quarter a team could feel the need to play hurry up.

I do understand the safety issue though, those refs can get hammered. I don't think the rule is going away, and i think teams and refs will adjust.

True...but people are acting like this is some major impact to the speed of the game...and it isn't. Teams in 2 minute drills don't snap it as fast as Manning did on the two occassions he got flagged..and he was barely too early! The impact of this rule, in an entire quarter of two minute offense, could still be measured in seconds.Watching the game...I honestly felt like Peyton was trying to get the flag. His own team was barely ready for those snaps.

 

[Johnny Ice]

I think adjustments will be made, primarily the official that needs to get out of the way. They will start to move faster.

 

[Insein]

No team should be penalized for playing the game within the parameters. The ball is placed, it should be live. They shouldn't have to wait for an umpire to run back behind the Offense. If they want to stop the clock until he gets back to his spot, then that would make more sense.

 

[Instinctive]

This rule change is completely idiotic. But, not because it's unfair to the Colts.

Johnny U, I'm sure you're aware of the phrase: "When people say it's not about the money...it's about the money." Well, when you say this thread is not about the Colts...your thread title clearly states otherwise. And, more incoming BS and a focus squarely on the Colts. Which, I think is actually what you wanted.

Anyway, it could have been a good discussion about the rule change. This thread reminds me of

It's actually a great discussion if you ignore all your posts like this...you're not contributing anything, get on topic or leave.I think it's a stupid rule. The again, I think moving the ref in the first place was stupid too. No reason he wasn't fine just where he was, it's not like we saw a LOT of collisions...in fact, isn't there still gonna be a deep guy to run into? Or am I way off on that?

 

[Happy Ragnarok]

No team should be penalized for playing the game within the parameters.

When you say parameters, you mean rules that everybody has to play by?

 

[shamrock84]

Maybe teams should focus more on trying to beat a team straight up instead of trying to take advantage by hiking the ball when the defense isn't fully ready?

 

[Insein]

No team should be penalized for playing the game within the parameters.

When you say parameters, you mean rules that everybody has to play by?

I mean, if the ref sets the ball and the clock is running, it should be able to be snapped.

 

[Insein]

Maybe teams should focus more on trying to beat a team straight up instead of trying to take advantage by hiking the ball when the defense isn't fully ready?

Its easier to beat them when they are not ready.

 

[JohnnyU]

I think adjustments will be made, primarily the official that needs to get out of the way. They will start to move faster.

Will the out of shape refs get out of the way faster? Stooooopid rule. Some of these refs are in their 60s.

 

[JohnnyU]

Maybe teams should focus more on trying to beat a team straight up instead of trying to take advantage by hiking the ball when the defense isn't fully ready?

I know you didn't really mean that.

 

[Happy Ragnarok]

No team should be penalized for playing the game within the parameters.

When you say parameters, you mean rules that everybody has to play by?

I mean, if the ref sets the ball and the clock is running, it should be able to be snapped.

What's the objective reason for that? Because it seems right to you? The rules committee decided this was safer, or fairer, or some combination of the two. Should offensive linemen all be eligible to catch passes? Should the forward pass be legal at all? The rules of the game all exist because the people who make the rules think they improve the game. This one's no different, and nothing makes it inherently righter or wronger than the previous rule.The only "ought" is teams "ought" to play by the rules, and if they don't, then they "ought" to be penalized. The rules themselves are all pretty much arbitrary.

 

[GregR_2]

Well, Manning won't be able to use the ref's as picks any longer.

I honestly think it's a good rule. The offense doesn't need the artificial advantage of snapping the next play 1 second after the ball's been placed on the ground. Manning likes it...but he's the only one who's ever been able to do that effectively. More, this rule only changes that 1 second to 3 seconds...not exactly a huge boon to the defense there.

And will people quit talking about the 2 minute drill already...at least learn the rule before you criticize it. The Ump goes back to his old position in the last 2 minutes of a half.

ETA: IN 35+ preseasons games thus far, only last night was this even a remote factor. BOTH FLAGS happened when Manning snapped the ball 1/2 second too soon...a HALF SECOND. IN BOTH cases, the play clock was still around 30 seconds!!!!!! It was my distinct impression that Manning was using the game as a platform to make the officials (and the rule) look bad on purpose.

The rule doesn't stop the hurry up...just the most ridiculously quick quick-snaps.

I think people in here are understating, for teams that do run up tempo offenses, the change that it causes for the QB.Before, the ref would place the ball and would move backwards, still in the QB's field of vision. He can still watch the defense and see when it's ok to hike the ball, not to mention being able to hike it sooner.

Now that isn't the case. The QB has to look away from the defense and watch the side judge to see when it's ok to snap the ball. In the meantime the defense could shift while he's forced to look away from the field of play. I just don't see how that is a positive. I don't like slowing the game down more than it used to be waiting for a ref to get into position. But if that's what has to happen, then at least use the whistle to tell the QB when he can snap it rather than make him divert his attention from watching the defense.

If the rule is going to work like this, teams will obviously have to adjust. But just because rule changes in the past have made teams have to adjust doesn't mean a particular adjustment is necessarily a positive thing for the game.