New York Magazine: Donald Trump is running for President again. (1 Viewer)

[joffer]

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1551014291083591681?t=XdIXlKerkiGGKQLofiMomA&s=09

“If I announced that I was not going to run for office, the persecution of Donald Trump would immediately stop. That’s what they want me to do. But you know what? There’s no chance I do that.” https://t.co/hMr3tHlLez

it wouldn’t stop. 

 

[timschochet]

it wouldn’t stop. 

Nope. However if I were Joe Biden I would make an offer right now: Trump announces he won’t run AND withdraws completely from political life: no interviews, no Truth Social, no endorsements for the rest of his life- I would grant him a complete pardon. 

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

Trump: As President, I wanted to give myself the Congressional Medal of Honor but they wouldn’t let me do it.. They said that would be inappropriate.  JFC

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Nope. However if I were Joe Biden I would make an offer right now: Trump announces he won’t run AND withdraws completely from political life: no interviews, no Truth Social, no endorsements for the rest of his life- I would grant him a complete pardon. 

Yeah, there's no way for that to go wrong. When Trump announces something, his word is gold.

 

[zoonation]

Trump may be the most narcissistic person ever in public life.  The guy tells long rambling bs stories, which are boring, all so he can play the hero in them.  It is disturbing.  He’s a loon.  

 

[AAABatteries]

Trump may be the most narcissistic person ever in public life.  The guy tells long rambling bs stories, which are boring, all so he can play the hero in them.  It is disturbing.  He’s a loon.  

Even 6 years later I’m stunned that THAT dude was freaking President.  Still seems like a bad dream. 

 

[Rich Conway]

Nope. However if I were Joe Biden I would make an offer right now: Trump announces he won’t run AND withdraws completely from political life: no interviews, no Truth Social, no endorsements for the rest of his life- I would grant him a complete pardon. 

As I understand it, the pardon would be immediate and permanent.  What would stop Trump from reneging five minutes later?

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Even 6 years later I’m stunned that THAT dude was freaking President.  Still seems like a bad dream. 

Remember how he was on our phones constantly?  Like he'd have half a dozen bizarre tweets out there before I got up in the morning.  I'm philosophically opposed to the president being banned from SM, but I do appreciate how Twitter at least turned the volume of that era down a little bit.

 

[The General]

Trump may be the most narcissistic person ever in public life.  The guy tells long rambling bs stories, which are boring, all so he can play the hero in them.  It is disturbing.  He’s a loon.  

Yep. This was all fueled by a mental condition with how he believes he is perceived / wants to be perceived. 

The combo of that with a lack of ethics and being placed in this job is a terrible combination. 

 

[The General]

Remember how he was on our phones constantly?  Like he'd have half a dozen bizarre tweets out there before I got up in the morning.  I'm philosophically opposed to the president being banned from SM, but I do appreciate how Twitter at least turned the volume of that era down a little bit.

The absence of the dally trolling is nice.

Every morning having the Prez casting lines out there to see what got people pissed off for the next distraction was crazy times. The sad part is it’s a pretty effective strategy.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

Glad to see we're back to the "This is an absolute sh## show but hey, no more mean tweets." narrative.

 

[The General]

Glad to see we're back to the "This is an absolute sh## show but hey, no more mean tweets." narrative.

I have no faith the insane guy would be running anything better. We get an added benefit now of not listening to morning rants typed out during his morning dump and Fox and Friends power viewing seshes.

 

[sho nuff]

Glad to see we're back to the "This is an absolute sh## show but hey, no more mean tweets." narrative.

The narrative is only part of the opposition to him...now, some on here and Ive seen elsewhere on social media, seem to act as if that was the only flaw he had.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

I have no faith the insane guy would be running anything better. We get an added benefit now of not listening to morning rants typed out during his morning dump and Fox and Friends power viewing seshes.

Yes it's truly a workers paradise now comrade  Double plus good.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

The narrative is only part of the opposition to him...now, some on here and Ive seen elsewhere on social media, seem to act as if that was the only flaw he had.

Hopefully you can find some comfort knowing that Twitter is still banning conservatives here and there. Stay strong, it's getting better.

 

[sho nuff]

Hopefully you can find some comfort knowing that Twitter is still banning conservatives here and there. Stay strong, it's getting better.

Not sure what this has to do with anything I said...but thanks?

 

[ren hoek]

Okay. 

But only 1 lies about a rigged election, attempted to pressure election officials to "find" him votes, attempted to defraud by using a fake set of electors, considered seizing voting machines & declare martial law, pressured the Vice President to throw out the certified results of states that he lost, and when all of that failed held a rally that ended minutes before the certification process and told his supporters to march to the Capitol because if they didn't fight they wouldn't have a country.   

Oh, then he sat on his butt for 3+ hours and watched as the Capitol building was being vandalized.

Only 1 of these two did that and unbelievably the one that did it is the one that has you support.

I don't care about Jan 6.  Some yahoos entered a building and carried a podium around, wow.  

Joe Biden's support for the Iraq War alone was far worse and more consequential than anything Trump did.  He authored the original version of what became the Patriot Act, wrote the '92 Crime Bill and bragged about it- which again was far more lasting, authoritarian, and dangerous than anything Trump did. 

Maybe if Trump had the gravity of an actual dictator as portrayed, rather than being feckless and incapable of running a functional govt, would he have posed an actual threat.  But nothing became of it, procedural electoral stuff played out as usual and power was peacefully transferred over to Biden.  

I don't support Trump, didn't vote in 2016, and embarrassingly voted for the L candidate in 2020 (though I really wanted Mike Gravel [RIP]).  I'm just tired of the endless, ceaseless hyperfixation on Trump while Dems control every branch of govt and change nothing (even total slam dunks like weed legalization or prison reform).  

Undocumented people are still being kept in cages, Biden state dept. is still steering us toward war with Russia/China, still ignoring the crimes of "allies" like Israel & Saudi Arabia, still spending all our money on military/PD budgets while homeless people gradually fill the streets.  Biden's DOJ is still looking to extradite Julian Assange for publishing state secrets, another Trump doozy which has rightly mortified every press freedom group.  They've done nothing to reign in the slow descent to authoritarian systems.  Biden has also maintained our casino gambling economy and further diminishment in quality of life for the average person.  

On every matter of import, every meaningful policy and practice- the ones that don't change from term to term- they are functionally the same person.  And I think supporting either of these parties anymore is complicity in this country's collapse, far worse than people who don't participate in electoral politics at all.  

 

[moleculo]

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1551014291083591681?t=XdIXlKerkiGGKQLofiMomA&s=09

“If I announced that I was not going to run for office, the persecution of Donald Trump would immediately stop. That’s what they want me to do. But you know what? There’s no chance I do that.” https://t.co/hMr3tHlLez

Thereby demonstrating Trump has no concept of legality, ethics, justice, etc.  He views everything as a partisan witch hunt, including our legal system. 

Explains a lot, really.

 

[moleculo]

I don't care about Jan 6.  Some yahoos entered a building and carried a podium around, wow.  

Joe Biden's support for the Iraq War alone was far worse and more consequential than anything Trump did.  He authored the original version of what became the Patriot Act, wrote the '92 Crime Bill and bragged about it- which again was far more lasting, authoritarian, and dangerous than anything Trump did. 

Maybe if Trump had the gravity of an actual dictator as portrayed, rather than being feckless and incapable of running a functional govt, would he have posed an actual threat.  But nothing became of it, procedural electoral stuff played out as usual and power was peacefully transferred over to Biden.  

I don't support Trump, didn't vote in 2016, and embarrassingly voted for the L candidate in 2020 (though I really wanted Mike Gravel [RIP]).  I'm just tired of the endless, ceaseless hyperfixation on Trump while Dems control every branch of govt and change nothing (even total slam dunks like weed legalization or prison reform).  

Undocumented people are still being kept in cages, Biden state dept. is still steering us toward war with Russia/China, still ignoring the crimes of "allies" like Israel & Saudi Arabia, still spending all our money on military/PD budgets while homeless people gradually fill the streets.  Biden's DOJ is still looking to extradite Julian Assange for publishing state secrets, another Trump doozy which has rightly mortified every press freedom group.  They've done nothing to reign in the slow descent to authoritarian systems.  Biden has also maintained our casino gambling economy and further diminishment in quality of life for the average person.  

On every matter of import, every meaningful policy and practice- the ones that don't change from term to term- they are functionally the same person.  And I think supporting either of these parties anymore is complicity in this country's collapse, far worse than people who don't participate in electoral politics at all.  

I see you don't really understand tbd importance of J6.  Lots of people don't.

 

[shadrap]

I don't care about Jan 6.  Some yahoos entered a building and carried a podium around, wow.  

Joe Biden's support for the Iraq War alone was far worse and more consequential than anything Trump did.  He authored the original version of what became the Patriot Act, wrote the '92 Crime Bill and bragged about it- which again was far more lasting, authoritarian, and dangerous than anything Trump did. 

Maybe if Trump had the gravity of an actual dictator as portrayed, rather than being feckless and incapable of running a functional govt, would he have posed an actual threat.  But nothing became of it, procedural electoral stuff played out as usual and power was peacefully transferred over to Biden.  

I don't support Trump, didn't vote in 2016, and embarrassingly voted for the L candidate in 2020 (though I really wanted Mike Gravel [RIP]).  I'm just tired of the endless, ceaseless hyperfixation on Trump while Dems control every branch of govt and change nothing (even total slam dunks like weed legalization or prison reform).  

Undocumented people are still being kept in cages, Biden state dept. is still steering us toward war with Russia/China, still ignoring the crimes of "allies" like Israel & Saudi Arabia, still spending all our money on military/PD budgets while homeless people gradually fill the streets.  Biden's DOJ is still looking to extradite Julian Assange for publishing state secrets, another Trump doozy which has rightly mortified every press freedom group.  They've done nothing to reign in the slow descent to authoritarian systems.  Biden has also maintained our casino gambling economy and further diminishment in quality of life for the average person.  

On every matter of import, every meaningful policy and practice- the ones that don't change from term to term- they are functionally the same person.  And I think supporting either of these parties anymore is complicity in this country's collapse, far worse than people who don't participate in electoral politics at all.  

damn, I like this post.

thanx.

 

[shadrap]

Ren, wish you would post a little more.  appreciate your direct approach.

 

[ren hoek]

I see you don't really understand tbd importance of J6.  Lots of people don't.

I see people don't realize they are being bamboozled by performative nonsense like the j6 committee while people in power do all the same stuff Trump did- it's ok.  Lots of people follow along and agree with whatever mass media is saying at the time.  

 

[The General]

Yes it's truly a workers paradise now comrade  Double plus good.

The guy who thinks he won the election and that he did nothing wrong after his crazed fanboys attack DC definitely is the person to solve our problems  

You listened to the band of misfits he has consulting him recently?

 

[moleculo]

I see people don't realize they are being bamboozled by performative nonsense like the j6 committee while people in power do all the same stuff Trump did- it's ok.  Lots of people follow along and agree with whatever mass media is saying at the time.  

You can not like Bidens policies all you want but he has done nothing remotely close to what Trump attempted to pull off in the wake of the 2020 election.

 

[timschochet]

As I understand it, the pardon would be immediate and permanent.  What would so Trump from reneging five minutes later?

Good point. OK forget it. 

 

[ren hoek]

You can not like Bidens policies all you want but he has done nothing remotely close to what Trump attempted to pull off in the wake of the 2020 election.

Well I respect your opinion, I still think Biden has done much worse in his long and abhorrent 40+ year career in office

I'd take a thousand J6s over a single Iraq War.  I don't think people really appreciate how much the war on terror transformed this country- and how it helped lead us to Trump's rise in the first place.  

 

[timschochet]

@ren hoek has been consistent for years now in his belief that all major politicians in this country are equally corrupt and evil and engaged in great crimes against humanity. He’s not defending Trump’s behavior, he just believes it’s hypocritical and counterproductive to focus on it. 
This approach leads to interesting discussions about all sorts of issues regarding our involvement with the outside world, which is why I always enjoy reading ren and I respect his position. But I rarely agree with him. 

 

[moleculo]

Well I respect your opinion, I still think Biden has done much worse in his long and abhorrent 40+ year career in office

I'd take a thousand J6s over a single Iraq War.  I don't think people really appreciate how much the war on terror transformed this country- and how it helped lead us to Trump's rise in the first place.  

I'm not going to argue Iraq was bad.  Biden was one of many who voted for it.  He shares some blame, but like 1/200th or something like that.  The main architect, as you know, was Cheney/Rove/Bush/et al.

On the other hand, Trump worked with a small team to illegally upend free and fair elections, potentially ending representational democracy in America.  This was not a bi-partisan act, it wasn't even uni-partisan. 

 

[moleculo]

@ren hoek has been consistent for years now in his belief that all major politicians in this country are equally corrupt and evil and engaged in great crimes against humanity. He’s not defending Trump’s behavior, he just believes it’s hypocritical and counterproductive to focus on it. 
This approach leads to interesting discussions about all sorts of issues regarding our involvement with the outside world, which is why I always enjoy reading ren and I respect his position. But I rarely agree with him. 

Yeah I agree.  Ren is a smart guy and I like his takes. 

However, I think he is so entrenched in the notion that "both sides are the same" that he can't recognize when one side goes rogue. 

 

[timschochet]

Well I respect your opinion, I still think Biden has done much worse in his long and abhorrent 40+ year career in office

I'd take a thousand J6s over a single Iraq War.  I don't think people really appreciate how much the war on terror transformed this country- and how it helped lead us to Trump's rise in the first place.  

Hey ren putting aside all of the other issues you raised, I’m not sure that Joe Biden played a significant role in the buildup to the Iraq war. He was in favor, yes, but I think it’s safe to assume that had Biden never existed we would have invaded Iraq. 
As I recall, Biden was a critic of Bush’s governance of Iraq. And in 2008, while running for President, Biden made a very innovative proposal that would have divided Iraq into 3 states: one for Sunnis, one for Shiites, and Kurdistan. I thought this was a brilliant idea at the time, and it really made me admire Biden. In retrospect if we had followed his lead we could have avoided Isis and many other horrors. Oh well. 

 

[Juxtatarot]

And in 2008, while running for President, Biden made a very innovative proposal that would have divided Iraq into 3 states: one for Sunnis, one for Shiites, and Kurdistan. I thought this was a brilliant idea at the time, and it really made me admire Biden. In retrospect if we had followed his lead we could have avoided Isis and many other horrors. Oh well. 

This would have caused issues, right? Beefs over oil, Turkey fearing an independent Kurdistan, the Shiites aligning with Iran, etc.

 

[timschochet]

This would have caused issues, right? Beefs over oil, Turkey fearing an independent Kurdistan, the Shiites aligning with Iran, etc.

Yes but I believe each of those issues would have been more solvable than what we faced instead. 

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Remember how he was on our phones constantly?  Like he'd have half a dozen bizarre tweets out there before I got up in the morning.  I'm philosophically opposed to the president being banned from SM, but I do appreciate how Twitter at least turned the volume of that era down a little bit.

The absence of the dally trolling is nice.

Every morning having the Prez casting lines out there to see what got people pissed off for the next distraction was crazy times. The sad part is it’s a pretty effective strategy.

I don’t have Twitter, but I’d think people can block other users, right?

 

[The General]

I don’t have Twitter, but I’d think people can block other users, right?

That doesn’t mean a person’s tweets disappear from all media.

For instance I didn’t follow Don but if you look at any media you’d see his ramblings every day. 

 

[Philo Beddoe]

I see you don't really understand tbd importance of J6.  Lots of people don't.

It tracks pretty closely to Biden’s approval number. 

 

[moleculo]

It tracks pretty closely to Biden’s approval number. 

Biden (and his approval number) have absolutely nothing to do with J6. 

I don't understand how anyone could possibly tie the two together, outside of partisan hacks who have no sense of right and wrong.

 

[Grace Under Pressure]

At the Turning Point convention, they conducted a straw poll for nominee for President in 2024. 79% said they’d vote for Donald Trump. 19% said DeSantis. No one else got over 2%.

Also, what’s with these conferences? Are there similar conferences for Democrats? I don’t recall them being a thing until recently.

 

[joffer]

Also, what’s with these conferences? Are there similar conferences for Democrats? I don’t recall them being a thing until recently.

no, these rallies are generally organized for groups of individuals that blindly follow a leader no matter what.  I can’t think of the term at the moment.

 

[knowledge dropper]

At the Turning Point convention, they conducted a straw poll for nominee for President in 2024. 79% said they’d vote for Donald Trump. 19% said DeSantis. No one else got over 2%.

Also, what’s with these conferences? Are there similar conferences for Democrats? I don’t recall them being a thing until recently.

Pride Month?

 

[JIslander]

no, these rallies are generally organized for groups of individuals that blindly follow a leader no matter what.  I can’t think of the term at the moment.

Nuremberg?  as in Rallies

 

[massraider]

Also, what’s with these conferences? Are there similar conferences for Democrats? I don’t recall them being a thing until recently.

There is no Dem version of Turning Point conference. 

If there was, and some Antifa bogeyman was giving speeches, or some black nationalist was spewing anti-white rhetoric, we would have in depth threads here. Concerned posts regarding the radicalization of the left.  (Just asking questions)

But these conferences happen every year, not just allowing the right wing cranks, but featuring them. 

And not even a thread.

Because it's not big news that a bunch of dudes that can't get laid in college are being inundated with hate speech. 

 

[GordonGekko]

Nope. However if I were Joe Biden I would make an offer right now: Trump announces he won’t run AND withdraws completely from political life: no interviews, no Truth Social, no endorsements for the rest of his life- I would grant him a complete pardon. 

So you want the sitting POTUS, the oldest first term candidate in office ever and with the lowest approval rating ever, the de facto "Leader Of The Entire Free World",  to abuse his elected office to bribe Trump, likely to be his opponent in the 2024 general cycle, for "personal gain"?

The term "The Biggest Scandal Since Watergate" gets thrown around too much. However, you've managed to create the biggest political scandal in this country since Watergate.

HAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

I'm literally laughing right now. Are you completely insane?

It's one thing to clean up cronies from your own Party with the pardon process, that's ugly but it's not trying to actually manipulate an election. ( I don't agree with any of that "pardoning my buddies" game either )You've literally suggested that Biden do what you've accused Trump of doing for 7 straight years.

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Find a rule here at FBG that says I can't laugh at you for pushing forward something this completely off the rails and illegal and hypocritical and terrifying all at once. Do you understand that if Trump was wired up and recorded Biden offering that, and released it into the wild, what that would do to our entire Republic?

I do not use the term "seditious conspiracy" lightly. And yet you took it there casually. Your biggest gripe seems to be the idea that Trump wouldn't hold up his end of the bargain without realizing yourself that the "bargain" itself effectively destroys our entire Republic.

Post that on your social media accounts, see how many Likes, Shares and Subscribes you get from the CCP, PLA, North Korea, Iran, the Taliban and other actual terrorist organizations that want to see America burn.

Unreal.

 

[Philo Beddoe]

There is no Dem version of Turning Point conference. 

If there was, and some Antifa bogeyman was giving speeches, or some black nationalist was spewing anti-white rhetoric, we would have in depth threads here. Concerned posts regarding the radicalization of the left.  (Just asking questions)

But these conferences happen every year, not just allowing the right wing cranks, but featuring them. 

And not even a thread.

Because it's not big news that a bunch of dudes that can't get laid in college are being inundated with hate speech. 

Sure there isn’t. 

The Democratic Socialists of America is the largest socialist organization in the United States, with over 90,000 members. We believe that working people should run both the economy and society democratically to meet human needs, not to make profits for a few.

 

[Stealthycat]

At the Turning Point convention, they conducted a straw poll for nominee for President in 2024. 79% said they’d vote for Donald Trump. 19% said DeSantis. No one else got over 2%.

Also, what’s with these conferences? Are there similar conferences for Democrats? I don’t recall them being a thing until recently.

"If I stayed home, if I announced that I was not going to run for office, the persecution of Donald Trump would immediately stop," Trump also said later in the speech. "But that's what they want me to do. And you know what? There's no chance I do that."

He's not wrong

I'm surprised Trump thumped Desantis that badly .... I still want Desantis over Trump and a young black man as VP

 

[sho nuff]

"If I stayed home, if I announced that I was not going to run for office, the persecution of Donald Trump would immediately stop," Trump also said later in the speech. "But that's what they want me to do. And you know what? There's no chance I do that."

He's not wrong

I'm surprised Trump thumped Desantis that badly .... I still want Desantis over Trump and a young black man as VP

Yes...he is wrong.  The committee would still be looking into his actions if he announces he is not running.  Other investigations into his actions would still occur if he announces.

Why a young black man?  I thought identity politics were bad?  I thought picking based on things like age, gender, and race are bad? 

 

[Grace Under Pressure]

"If I stayed home, if I announced that I was not going to run for office, the persecution of Donald Trump would immediately stop," Trump also said later in the speech. "But that's what they want me to do. And you know what? There's no chance I do that."

He's not wrong

I'm surprised Trump thumped Desantis that badly .... I still want Desantis over Trump and a young black man as VP

Yup. He’s pretty on point there.

I’d probably vote for the ticket you mention. It depends on the other ticket of course. 

 

[Snotbubbles]

Yup. He’s pretty on point there.

I’d probably vote for the ticket you mention. It depends on the other ticket of course. 

Meh, I'm tired of identity politics.  Just give me someone who could run the country if the President died.  I don't need another Kamala Harris waiting in the wings.  I would prefer a cardboard cut-out of Biden over Harris running this country.

 

[Hov34]

@ren hoek has been consistent for years now in his belief that all major politicians in this country are equally corrupt and evil and engaged in great crimes against humanity. He’s not defending Trump’s behavior, he just believes it’s hypocritical and counterproductive to focus on it. 
This approach leads to interesting discussions about all sorts of issues regarding our involvement with the outside world, which is why I always enjoy reading ren and I respect his position. But I rarely agree with him. 

Yeah I agree.  Ren is a smart guy and I like his takes. 

However, I think he is so entrenched in the notion that "both sides are the same" that he can't recognize when one side goes rogue. 

Keep voting for the "lesser of two evils".  After all it's working.  Right?

 

[The Dude]

Keep voting for the "lesser of two evils".  After all it's working.  Right?

Whats your proposal?

 

[moleculo]

Keep voting for the "lesser of two evils".  After all it's working.  Right?

No idea where you are going with this.