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NFL viewership off 11% YOY (2 Viewers)
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Steve Tasker
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Golden State Warriors and Cleveland Cavs are joining the NA LCS for League of Legends now. Warriors paying $13 million entry fee. Cavs aren't confirmed yet but being reported from some reputable sites.
Eephus
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Formula 1 attendance is reported over a three day race weekend. Sunday race-day attendance is the lion's share but Friday free practice and Saturday qualifying attendance gets bundled in. A single fan attending all three days would be counted three times.
hagmania
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avoiding injuries
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Too bad one of the prison guards ruined the game for the Houston inmates with his play calling in the final minutes.
St. Louis Bob
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So Jerry Jones, who was instrumental in moving the NFL out of STL, again, is going after Goodell?
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KarmaPolice
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A huge problem is still going to be the QB play going forward. They made the decision to tweak the rules to up the scoring and make the league all about the QBs, but most of the QBs coming into the league seem ill prepared to actually play the game at this level. Looking at the "games" this week and we have lovely matchups like Kizer vs Bortles, Fitzpatrick vs. Cutler, Brock vs. Dalton, Flacco vs. Hundley, Gabbert vs. Savage, and for some reason a team with a winning record and in the WC spot is starting their rookie.
It's not good for your product when the crap play at the only position you seemed to care about is making almost 1/2 the games unwatchable. We are going to be looking at losing a few great QBs very soon as they get to be up there in age too.
It's not good for your product when the crap play at the only position you seemed to care about is making almost 1/2 the games unwatchable. We are going to be looking at losing a few great QBs very soon as they get to be up there in age too.
kupcho1
Footballguy
I think I'm finally out.
I can't imagine what people that are stuck with local games only (i.e., no Sunday Ticket) do when they go to the interminable replay review. This is not compelling television. The delays are excruciating; I have no interest in seeing Blandino in any situation (and if there is a better named television ... personality(?) I haven't seen them).
Kill replay. Now.
And for crying out loud, please come up with a definition of a catch that makes some sense. Maddening.
There's always been bad QB play (hell, that can be more compelling than good QB play), but replay and the convoluted "definition of a catch" (which I think started a few years back with Calvin Johnson's TD being ruled incomplete) have ruined the experience.
I can't imagine what people that are stuck with local games only (i.e., no Sunday Ticket) do when they go to the interminable replay review. This is not compelling television. The delays are excruciating; I have no interest in seeing Blandino in any situation (and if there is a better named television ... personality(?) I haven't seen them).
Kill replay. Now.
And for crying out loud, please come up with a definition of a catch that makes some sense. Maddening.
There's always been bad QB play (hell, that can be more compelling than good QB play), but replay and the convoluted "definition of a catch" (which I think started a few years back with Calvin Johnson's TD being ruled incomplete) have ruined the experience.
Hawkeye21
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There are always two games on during the day on Sunday so you can flip back and forth. If you want to watch a variety of games but don't want to get the Sunday Ticket you should get the RedZone channel. It's perfect for a full day of football and almost always has action on TV.
Dan Lambskin
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kupcho1
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First, there are not always two games on. Fox and CBS go back and forth locally on who gets the double header. So during either the 1pm or 4pm games, you're faced with one choice.
Second, I have Sunday Ticket. Given the demographics here in the FFA, I'd imagine the % of people that also have it is roughly 99.9%
Third, even with Sunday Ticket or the RedZone channel, watching the games has become much less enjoyable. I think that ST / redzone slowed the erosion in ratings. But even with them, people are starting to lose interest.
I know I have.
I can check my fantasy team without watching the games. Maybe find something more enjoyable.
tom22406
Footballguy
Can't remember the last full game I've watched in the NFL.Superbowl maybe but even then it was more of just a social event than watching the game.The product to me is just getting worse which turned me off to it so I no longer feel the need to waste a good Sunday afternoon watching bad football anymore.
Leroy Hoard
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I know a guy who if it wasn't for smart phones would not be interested in fantasy football or any football for that matter.
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
I'm not enamored with the product but it's a good excuse for me to get my wife to leave me alone while I drink and gamble for 21 weeks (or more of you want to count pre-season and the pro bowl)
Doug B
Footballguy
Might as well. Replay never got rid of bad calls -- it just gave officials a different means to mess up calls. Even with multiple cameras and multiple viewings, it all comes down to judgment anyway.
Also, since we've seen nearly three decades of instant replay used in officiating and know what we'd be missing: the bad calls of the 1970s and 1980s are welcome back.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
How about getting right what is a catch and a TD and what is not? That would be a fantastic start.
Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
I can't wait until they start calling back a rushing TD because the RB wasn't running correctly.
Doug B
Footballguy
What was wrong with the 1970s-90s method of determining catches, anyway? What problem was the "continuation to the ground" stuff aiming to fix?
It was aiming to fix/justify a bad call the refs made during a game. The league couldn't come out and say "the refs made a bad call," so now we have this crap. Kinda like how the "tuck rule" came into being, IMO.
brettdj
Footballguy
In the 70s-90s if the ball touched the ground at all during the catch attempt it would be incomplete. Many of todays diving catches would be incomplete.
Bert Emanual in 1999 playoffs with Tampa Bay, had 2 hands on the ball with control, but the ball hit the ground so incomplete. This brought about the change that having control of the ball and it hitting the ground would now be a catch. There have been tweaks to the rule to "better" define the "process of the catch"
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
The play that bothers me the most is when the ball is on the 1-2 yard line and the RB or QB is stopped but sticks the ball out..then while it is stuck out a defender swats it out of their hands..that is a TD because "It broke the plain and the play is dead right away" Yet the Calvin Johnson catch-no catch was Calvin caught the ball..one foot down, two feet down, rump down, elbow down, then sets the ball down..no TD! It is insane.
RUSF18
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I get why it's different even if it is frustrating. In your example, the QB and RB has already established possession, maybe for one yard or for 99 yards. With receivers, they are still (according to the rule) establishing possession.
The problem is that they have over-orchestrated the determination of possession when it comes to catching the ball. They have tried to make it 100% objective. In order to do that, you need to word the rule in ways that will in theory come up with every possible scenario. And it's taken away what so many have traditionally seen as a catch and put us in this position of going through a checklist 10x a game.
Many penalties are very much subjective so I'm not sure why the definition of a catch can't be either.
belljr
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i forget who mentioned it before but someone suggested
Replays - you run them through at 1/2 speed from different angles and make the call.
No HD freeze framing or the like.
As a Detroit fan, I am sure the Calvin play bothers you and I agree. By the letter of the rule, I see why James' TD was overturned, but I don't like when a catch is made and reaching to score ends up being incomplete. I understand the rule, but there's a difference between Theilin's drop against my Panthers where he never actually finished the catch before he was out of bounds and James' catch was already made before the stretch.
Actually, there was a Funchess TD against Minnesota where Funchess almost used the ball to touch the ground and stay standing up, but he regained his balance and the ball never touched the ground. All I was thinking while he was running into the end zone was that the ball didn't touch and somehow bobble. It was an amazing escape and a great catch, but I was thinking 100% about Calvin's catch and thinking that if he used the ball to balance and it moved when it hit the ground that the stupid rule would consider it incomplete.
They've got to figure out the difference between a bobble while making a catch and a play where the receiver clearly has control and is making another move, like a reach or just plain standing up.
Disagree completely about replay. This isn't about replay, this is about the letter of the rule. Damiere Byrd caught a great TD and it was considered incomplete before replay which showed that his butt was down and he wasn't touching out of bounds yet. Replay can fix those mistakes. The problem is that this stupid rule has them looking for the slightest movements and ruling something incomplete based on a move after the catch is secured. There is no common sense and no differentiation.
shadyridr
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I like instant replay but the automatic replay of every scoring play and turnover is horrendous. Allows the refs to nitpick everything. Just give the coaches two challenges a game. If they want to replay they can. However they only have two of them so they better be sure they are right. This only allows them to replay the egregious calls.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
They should make replay officials watch the replay at game speed and not stop it frame by frame.
Or only game at both 1PM and 4PM slot if you live in a market with a live game.
Yesterday I just found a stream on reddit for Redzone all day. Paid for the NFL App on Verizon but it is several minutes behind.
RUSF18
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In. I could also be convinced to let them get one single viewing in slow motion. If you can't overturn the call there, it stands.
belljr
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squistion
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http://sportspickle.com/nfl/nfl-video-replay-reveals-colin-kaepernicks-knee-never-hit-ground-kneeling.html
NFL video replay reveals Colin Kaepernick’s knee never hit the ground while kneeling
(SP) – After a video replay review of Colin Kaepernick kneeling during the national anthem last season, it has been determined that Kaepernick never actually did fully kneel down or did not “complete a kneeling act” under the league’s full definition of the rule.
“I know a lot of people were angered by him kneeling and many even said they stopped watching the NFL because of it,” said commissioner Roger Goodell. “But upon review, we now know that what we all thought we saw did not actually occur. Kaepernick did not officially kneel per league kneeling rules and so everyone can like the NFL again.”
Per NFL rules, an anthem kneel must last throughout the duration of the song and a player must make an additional “protest move,” such as raising a fist. Kaepernick never did, meaning his kneel was not official.
In the wake of the ruling, the NFL has received many apologies from those who ripped the league over allowing Kaepernick to kneel, including from President Trump. Early this morning the president tweeted:
“After review, it is revealed Kaepernick never actually kneeled. AMERICA IS GREAT AGAIN,” he wrote.
Kaepernick said he was surprised by the outcome.
“I thought I had kneeled, but it turns out I didn’t,” he said. “There’s nothing I can do about it now. Rules are rules. The outcome stands and so I officially don’t think there are any racial problems in America. “
NFL video replay reveals Colin Kaepernick’s knee never hit the ground while kneeling
(SP) – After a video replay review of Colin Kaepernick kneeling during the national anthem last season, it has been determined that Kaepernick never actually did fully kneel down or did not “complete a kneeling act” under the league’s full definition of the rule.
“I know a lot of people were angered by him kneeling and many even said they stopped watching the NFL because of it,” said commissioner Roger Goodell. “But upon review, we now know that what we all thought we saw did not actually occur. Kaepernick did not officially kneel per league kneeling rules and so everyone can like the NFL again.”
Per NFL rules, an anthem kneel must last throughout the duration of the song and a player must make an additional “protest move,” such as raising a fist. Kaepernick never did, meaning his kneel was not official.
In the wake of the ruling, the NFL has received many apologies from those who ripped the league over allowing Kaepernick to kneel, including from President Trump. Early this morning the president tweeted:
“After review, it is revealed Kaepernick never actually kneeled. AMERICA IS GREAT AGAIN,” he wrote.
Kaepernick said he was surprised by the outcome.
“I thought I had kneeled, but it turns out I didn’t,” he said. “There’s nothing I can do about it now. Rules are rules. The outcome stands and so I officially don’t think there are any racial problems in America. “
kupcho1
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GregR
Footballguy
The other thing they were looking to address is the ball being immediately knocked out of someone's hands. It was a total judgment call with no real guidance for the ref on what was a fumble and what was an incomplete pass. It was infuriating watching the total inconsistency on those plays until they changed the catch rule to include the time element.
People don't like the current catch rules, but they are easy to apply consistently. In a game of milliseconds and inches, there will also be a play that is right at the border that could go either way, and there will always be some bad calls. But everyone seeing the Steelers play last night and saw the ball move on hitting the ground knew what the rules said the outcome should be.
One of my buddies liked to argue it should be "possession and two feet down even for a fraction of a second" to make a catch. All it took was one game where I paused it several times to show him all the plays that would be fumbles by his rule, and he agreed some sort of amount of time is needed.
Yeah, I miss these days
Or these
the game was so much better when blown black and white calls determine the winner.
Capella
Footballguy
Way better than waiting 25 minutes for a review or sitting in a hyped stadium that goes dead, waiting waiting waiting waiting for the play to be reversed. Between flags and replay you can't even get excited until 8 minutes after the play ends anymore. It SUCKS
kupcho1
Footballguy
That's it! Excellent observation. I knew there was something else that was bugging me about replay but could not come up with it.
...and it may be the most insidious reason of all. Totally sucks the enjoyment out of the game.
- Touchdown!
- 0.43 seconds of joy
- realization that all scores are reviewed
- 25 minutes of waiting while we see 36 replays and listen to Blandino
- overturned with convoluted explanation from ref
- rinse
- repeat
Johnnymac
Footballguy
I have been saying they need to get rid of replay for at least a year.
I swear, replay will kill the NFL before concussion lawsuits will.
I watched the game for years without instant replay, and yes, the horrible calls pissed me off, but we got over it.
The game would move along so much smoother without replay.
I swear, replay will kill the NFL before concussion lawsuits will.
I watched the game for years without instant replay, and yes, the horrible calls pissed me off, but we got over it.
The game would move along so much smoother without replay.
Nipsey
Footballguy
The rule couldn't be more clear. If the player going to the ground as he catches the ball he has to maintain possession "until after his initial contact with the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone". The problem is most announcers are ignorant of the rules and their ignorance influences their audience to believe the problem is with the rules themselves. How can you be working in the booth for an nfl game and claim you don't know what is or is not a catch? That should be grounds for termination. It's absurd to me that an nfl broadcast needs a rules official in the studio so they can put him on-air to explain a simple call. The announcers can't take a little time in the off season and get the rules of the game down cold?
My problem with the replay system is they don't follow their own rule in terms of overturning a call. There needs to be INDISPUTABLE video evidence to overturn a call on the field. Every single week there is at least one call overturned without indisputable evidence. 99% sure is not indisputable evidence.
Moe.
Footballguy
The way it's implemented in the NFL is awful. Other sports have it right and it takes mere seconds each time. I've seen a couple of rugby matches (where the calls are just as complex as the NFL - it's not as simple as something like tennis) where the ref on the field asks for help, it goes to the video ref who reviews it and radios down his decision. Ref on the field relays to call to everyone or they post the call on the scoreboard and move on. It's absurd that we have the refs on the field go look at some monitor or that they are involved in the decision at all.
Doug B
Footballguy
Weirdly, replay has been around a long while ... but it didn't seem anywhere near as "invasive" as it has seemed over the past decade or so. Back in the 1990s, there was only replay if a coach challenged, right? Maybe 1990s style replay could come back somehow.
Doug B
Footballguy
I couldn't like your whole post (I prefer mushy, fuzzy "was it a catch?" judgment calls with a soupcon of BS) ... but the bolded is right on.
facook
Footballguy
If the NCAA isn't careful it could kill their March golden goose. The ends of MANY games in last year's tourney were interminable with replaying every other play to see who knocked it out of bounds and whether it was a flagrant foul and if the kid's jock strap was over the line.
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