ChiefD
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Now get outside where you belong, fire up that smoker, and make us some pulled pork sammiches!!!!!!
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NFL viewership off 11% YOY (1 Viewer)
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General Malaise
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NFL needs to push hard to legalize sports gambling here. Team up with the NBA. Make it as easy to gamble here on sports as it is overseas. You want to increase your ratings, you increase the appetite of your consumer. Fantasy football has reached saturation and has turned off guys who played decades ago. Time to reload.
TheFanatic
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I'd like to, but it's been under 20 for something like 14 straight days here and will be until Sunday. Might make some ribs on Sunday to celebrate it getting above 32. I'm serious.
culdeus
Footballguy
Kids watch on average 9-10 days, days, less commercials per year versus 30 years ago.
http://exstreamist.com/report-kids-in-netflix-only-homes-are-being-saved-from-230-hours-of-commercials-a-year/
Now this is based on the idea that kids are watching nearly 3 hours of TV a day, so grain of salt and all that, but point stands that kids simply are not exposed to commercials anymore.
shadyridr
Footballguy
They are exposed to tons of ads on YouTube
Heck even the videos themselves are basically ads
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Bull Dozier
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But ads are skippable on youtube, right? At least after watching some portion of it. My kids never watch commercials on TV. Their Netflix to network TV ratio is probably 5-1 or greater. The only thing they watch live (not rcorded so they skip the commercials) are sports, and they are usually on their phone during commercials anyways.
Without replay the Chiefs win on the def td that wasn’t a fumble and the rams get a td on a ball lying on the ground and would have had a good shot at winning
Capella
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Sounds great.
Capella
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
I struggled yesterday to watch the playoff game. I pretty much only do RZ or a Lions game. A single game just moves so slowly. The time spent on penalties, replay and commercials had to dwarf actual playing time 4:1
Ilov80s
Footballguy
And the games would have been more fun. I don't watch sports for slow motion replays that allow us to act like lawyers dissecting an overly written rule book. I watch for the "the thrill of victory... and the agony of defeat... the human drama of athletic competition".
Now we have "the thrill of a ref confirming a replay...the agony of the rule book...the human drama of determining what a catch is"
GregR
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GregR
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Yes, the problems aren't that we have replay, they are how they are implementing it. Do the same people hang out in college football threads talking about how replay has ruined that game? College reviews even more plays than the NFL does, yet they do it without the resulting uproar. If the sport already has an example of a working system, the NFL just needs to further adopt what college is doing right.
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NotSmart
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For whatever reason (and it's hard to believe it's just because of money, but maybe so), the NFL won't create a high tech, expert, fully staffed instant replay system that is designed to be accurate and highly efficient.
Easily half of the decisions could be made within 30 seconds, since they are already that obvious to the home viewing audience.
Easily half of the decisions could be made within 30 seconds, since they are already that obvious to the home viewing audience.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
No, it's a several 2-3 minute interruptions in every single game. Even with replay, people still don' agree on many of the the calla. On top of that, they might have gotten the Henry fumble right but they are instructed to call things fumbles so it can be reviewed. That concept automatically makes the process unfair since you need indisputable evidence to overturn a call and refs are instructed to call anything close a fumble. Maybe I am biased because as a Lions fan, instant replay has been used to F us over. The dumb Calvin replay, the fact that the Seahawks batting the ball out of bounds wasn't reviewable and then then the Golden Tate TD this year that was overturned and the game just ended.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
If something can't be overturned with 1 or 2 quick 5 second replays, then it's not indisputable and should just stand.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Oh so to enjoy an NFL game, I am supposed to start it 45 mins after it's already started and then FF every 10 seconds? What a great product.
Jobber
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I saw a vid some time ago where the average game has actual play time of around 12 minutes. The rest is standing around, commercials and replays.
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General Malaise
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Can't it just be as simple as the current and only game on right now sucking like a hooker with a thirst? This game is so bad I'm going to go play with my kids.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
That was from 2008 or 9. Average game was 192 minutes of TV, 11 minutes of play, 17 minutes of replay (that is certainly higher now) and 75 minutes of watching players/coaches loiter around the field, 100 commercials air.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
That last commercial break was funny. They had a split screen with the commercial taking up 75% of the screen and the game coverage taking up the other 25%. Good thing they didn't cut away from the game, we saw the Jags punter standing on the sideline watching the replay on the big screen (watching a football player watching an instant replay think about that) and we saw the Jags coach looking confused. Thrilling stuff.
James Daulton
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culdeus
Footballguy
I haven't had a DVR for a decade. And even if I did using it for live sports is mostly pointless unless you need to step away for 5-10 minutes to deal with something. I'm not going to DVR a game to start it an hour after it got going just to save time.
culdeus
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Up? Based on what? There are for now 100 Million TV households in the USA. Some estimates have this as the peak, and will fall to 75-80 by 2030. But let's just go with 100 for now. (Note edit, this refers to houses with a TV that you would sell a TV product into which is the Nielsen metric, not reflective of total households)
At any one time 10% of households watch football. I'll give you 2x of that. 20 Million.
NFL makes 7 Billion a year on viewership of 20 Million households. That's 350/per household per year they pay to the NFL. And this is aggressive, probably they factor it to 500/head.
So Amazon/Apple will come in at least 350? Then sell this back to the broad audience for 500 a season?
You think they get takers for that? 20 Million of them? What about those that get OTA service for NFL? What happens to them? They pound sand or pay out 500/yr?
FYI there are 51 million netflix subs in the USA. Relevant data point for this, imo.
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pollardsvision
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I inadvertently stopped watching this crap a couple years ago. Feeling much better about that decision now. I don't know what's more shocking.....that there was another game so atrocious that Jags-Bills was played on Sunday instead of Saturday afternoon, or that both Nick Foles and Case Keenum are sitting out this week as the top 2 seeds in the "good" conference.
NewlyRetired
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As of 2016 census, there are 125.82 million households in US.
The number of households in the US has increased every single year since 1960 and is expected to continue.
I think you might be confusing the number of households with the average size of the household.
Number of households is growing while number of people in household is dropping.
See here for a ton more data
https://www.statista.com/statistics/183635/number-of-households-in-the-us/
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culdeus
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According to Nielsen's National Television Household Universe Estimates, there are 119.6 million TV homes in the U.S. for the 2017-18 TV seaso
culdeus
Footballguy
Ok, this appears to be right. I was basing the 100 figure off what would be "reachable" households. This I think is what ESPN uses for the denominator which allows them to drop homes that for whatever reason can't get cable or something. I don't really know what Amazon/Apple would use as their target market.
Point here is that I don't think a streaming services are going to come in and outbid a network.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
tv households are still huge and will continue to be huge as long as OTA is around.
The changing face of TV households is what is in play, not the total numbers.
The total number will continue to grow as the population grows but the diversity mix of households using OTA, vs streaming, vs satellite vs cable will continue to splinter the audiences for the foreseeable future.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
If they want in they will most certainly outbid/overbid. They have the resources needed to crack the market, it is just a matter of whether they want to or not.
It is not that dis-similar to a tiny Fox network back in the day standing up to the big three and outbidding them for key items that got them on the map and on a level playing ground.
Its an interesting question.
I don't know that Amazon is going to outbid the networks - but I could see a scenario where a combined - Network + Streaming option is higher than the current Network only package.
I don't watch the games myself, so I might not be the best judge here. But this exact conversation is ongoing with Soccer leagues - and they are expecting broadcast revenue to increase with the introduction of a streaming service bidding for the rights.
Eephus
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ChiefD
Footballguy
One game too late. Sure glad he was our ref yesterday. Blew two.....two.....fumble calls. Blah.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I don't buy that. There is always a lot going pre-snap, with both teams adjusting to what the other team is doing.Jobber said:
That aside, replay and the constant commercials have definitely had large hands in making the product not nearly as good. I don't watch as many games as I used to, and if not for FF, I'd watch even less.
Binky The Doormat
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KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I think they mean football action = an actual play being run, not dudes walking up to the line and adjusting coverage. Hell, even if we double what he posted and it's 24 mins - that's not a lot of product for sitting down for 3 1/2 hours.
culdeus
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Thats not a totally fair metric. I mean what would baseball be? 5 minutes? And basketball really more like 50 (with free throws)
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