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I'm a 49ers fan and have watched a healthy dosage of Jimmy G, not sure where you're getting this from.
That reported Cleveland offer has also been disputed and not confirmed. Plus they had a ton of picks to give up and there was a much bigger QB market.
You'd have to be an idiot to franchise him imo. He won the team their only super bowl and has given them a shot for two in a row. It's good for morale if you reward that and let the guy go where he wants.dhockster said:
Has nothing to do with being right, I'm Nick Foles #1 fan.
Yeah he's buying that out in a heartbeat - he would be killing his bargaining power by accepting the $20MM and essentially making that his first year salary.
I thin he'll be around the Tannehall/Cam Newton mark. Hard for his agent to argue that he should get more than Rivers or Roethisberger but he should definitely get more than Tyrod, Bortles, or Dalton.
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Of course both parties are ultimately going to make their decisions based on what benefits them. My point was just to refute that Foles only cares about the money. He has already written a book in which all the proceeds were donated. He was willing to walk away from football and the money because he wasn't passionate about it. And he has a great relationship with the organization and the fans. Based on that, I think there is a much higher likelihood that they work together to help both parties. Doesn't mean it will happen but it could. I am under no illusions that they will be holding hands and singing kumbaya. Maybe "Fly Eagles Fly" but not kumbaya.
No way - those contracts were signed a number of years ago. Him signing for more than Rivers or Big Ben isn't saying "he's better than them" - it's just supply and demand. There are teams that need a QB and very few good ones available - it's all timing.
The guy wanted to retire a couple years ago. He's had ups and downs. He's found a fit and insane success here in Philly. I don't think he will have that same success elsewhere and be a top 15 NFL QB once he's in Jax, Miami, Denver, etc. next year. The guy will always be a legend, I don't think he cares if anyone calls him a system guy. He's a different kind of dude (in a good way)
I agree with that. I think he's going to get 20 million/per. 3 or 4 years. He has too many question marks to get much higher than that. Not that a 60 or 80 million dollar contract is something to sneeze at. Especially for a guy pondering retirement three years ago.
The guy throws one of the best deep balls in the NFL and plays at his best when the pressure is on - I'm pretty sure that would be successful in quite a few different places.
It also depends on who has cap space and how much a team might already be on the hook for other QBs. There are 22 QB's in line to have cap hits of $20M+ next year.
The key is "help both parties"- most players and teams would work together if it helps both parties, that wouldn't be unusual. In this case you guys seem to think he'd be willing to hurt his own pocketbook AND hurt his new team by working with his old team, which I think is extremely unlikely.
It definitely has something to do with Pederson and the Eagles. He was terrible with the Rams in 2015 and sat behind Alex Smith in 2016 (not exactly Aaron Rodgers). That's not to say he couldn't succeed elsewhere, but sometimes the situation and team has a lot to do with success.
Jeff Fisher teams ranked Bottom 10 in passing yards 12 times . . . including 9 of his last 10 seasons as a head coach. Not sure playing for Fisher would be a feather in anyone's cap.
Lol Love this argument. So Jeff Fisher threw the picks and incompletions? Perhaps, Fisher just simply didn't have great quarterbacks. People point out how much Goff improved after Fisher wasn't his coach. Look how much Wentz improved in his second year, too. You don't get to dismiss the last time a team brought Foles in to be their starting quarterback just because it doesn't fit your agenda. NFL teams are very well aware of what happened the last time a team gave him the keys. They are pondering 75-100 million dollar contracts. They look at all angles. Not saying he couldn't have improved since 2015, but teams take all of that into consideration.
How many games did Jimmy G appear in before he got a a 5-year, $137.5M contract with $74M guaranteed? I'm not looking to single you out, but the fact of the matter is it only takes one team to fall in love with someone and then anything can happen. I agree with you that teams SHOULD perform more research and due diligence and maybe make sounder decisions. BUt there are a lot of players in the league that get paid a lot of scratch that in the long-term really aren't worth it.
Look at the Stats of Foles, Bradford, Keenum, and Goff under Fisher and then under somebody else. They all significantly improve when they are not under Jeff Fisher's offense. Plus Foles was good before Fisher and has been good after Fisher. So isn't Fisher's offense the outlier?
It still could very well turn out that Jimmy G was over paid. We shall see. He benefited from being talented, and young, and played very well when given the chance. He didn't have bad seasons on his resume. That was a huge help too.
Foles was great his first season under Chip Kelly then disappointed the year after. Wasn't terrible, but if teams are looking at that season, they aren't offering him 15 million per, let alone 20.
Yeah, he was playing hurt with a banged up oline in front of him. And they were still 6-2.
Sam Bradford got $20M on his fourth team after nine years with zero playoff appearances and zero good seasons. Alex Smith got $23M despite never throwing for as many TDs in his 12 seasons as Foles did in only 13 games in 2013. It's silly to think that he won't get paid.
I said I think he's going to get 20 million a year for three or four years. He's getting paid.
Interesting convo on Sirius NFL this morning. If he gets traded he can opt out. Doesn't matter what team he goes to. So there will have to be a new contract in place before he is traded. Or he can opt out of his current deal and sign with whoever he wants. Another thing to consider is the cost of keeping both in 2019. Sirius said $24 million. I think we are all speculating that the Eagles can't keep both when Foles in making $20. They can very easily. At the end of the day there are really three options. 1) Foles opts out of his current contract and pays the Eagles $2 million. He decides who he wants to play for. It may not be about only money. Or it may. But it will be his choice. 2) Foles works with the Eagles and allows them to trade him. The Eagles allow him to negotiate with other teams, Foles decides where he wants to go and the Eagles get some kind of compensation. 3) Foles decides to stay in Philly. They give him another year at $20-$30 million on his contract for 2020 with the same terms and we will have this conversation again next year. This gives the Eagles insurance in 2019 and if Wentz doesn't play up to expectations they could trade him and keep Foles going forward after the 2019 season.
The farther they go in the playoffs the more realistic it becomes. The only downside is Foles fails miserably in 2019 and decides he doesn't want to "buy out" his contract. And they have to pick up the 5th year option for Wentz in 2020, which would probably be over $20 million. So they would be paying two QB's $40-$50 million. Seems unrealistic, but one never knows.
Pay Foles next year as the starter and have Wentz be the backup? is that what you're suggesting in this scenario?
This year Foles got $16.5 million in cash as a back-up. Next year he get's $20 million (already a contract, but he can opt out by paying the Eagles $2 million). What would they have to do to get him NOT to opt out? Extend the contract into 2020 for another $25-$30 million. I mean the results don't lie. I think he is playing better than Wentz NOW in this offensive scheme. Wentz will be the starter if healthy, but what if Foles wins another SB? Maybe they move Wentz instead.
Yep. Hard to ignore the results. Wentz looked like a world beater in 2017. Not so much in 2018.
i understand the scenario you're playing out in your head, but there's really just no way that happens.
Am injured Wentz, yes. I'm old enough to remember when a healthy Wentz is the MVP of the league
I agree. And the Eagles will probably get nothing in return when he leaves. They just need to be thankful they had a great back-up when there starter went down and won at least one SB (and who knows how this years post-season will play out).
The pressure is already going to start building. Next year when Foles is gone, if Wentz gets into a slump, fans will be second guessing. It is an unfair situation to be in, but there really isn't any way of getting around it.
