Nick Wright Explains NFL Reporting (1 Viewer)

[Joe Bryant]

This is gold and should be required listening for every person who consumes NFL news.

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We have traded true journalism for instant gratification

Journalism is covering and giving information that otherwise would not be out there.

Being the first to say the thing the team will say they're doing in 90 minutes is a different thing.

"I have the truth but I'm not letting it out as it'll piss off the wrong people" is a real thing and I was sort of surprised to see Wright being so honest there.

 

[Joe Bryant]

As Wright says, the key skill for being good at the person getting the news early is for people to like you.

That's why the rehab is almost always positive and the surgery always went well.

 

[King of the Jungle]

This is a great post and makes a lot of sense. For the most part, people will ultimately do what benefits them (human nature). I was always curious (draft specifically) why there were always reports on this team doing this or that and never understood why that information was leaked. Things can happen of course, but I assume few would risk their livelihoods over it.

 

[Joe Bryant]

This is a great post and makes a lot of sense. For the most part, people will ultimately do what benefits them (human nature). I was always curious (draft specifically) why there were always reports on this team doing this or that and never understood why that information was leaked. Things can happen of course, but I assume few would risk their livelihoods over it.

Yes.

And some of this is even more obvious than ever now with all the signings and deal renegotiations being reported where they have the obligatory shoutout to the agent that gave them the story.

I don't begrudge the reporters. They're not doing anything nefarious.

But we have to understand what it is they're giving us what strings are attached. Wright did a nice job of breaking that down.

 

[smbkrypt24]

This is gold and should be required listening for every person who consumes NFL news.

I qued it to the relevant spot.

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We have traded true journalism for instant gratification

Journalism is covering and giving information that otherwise would not be out there.

Being the first to say the thing the team will say they're doing in 90 minutes is a different thing.

"I have the truth but I'm not letting it out as it'll piss off the wrong people" is a real thing and I was sort of surprised to see Wright being so honest there.

Good post.
I think this explains it more than any cry for anything else. The grade wasn’t good but people screaming for instant gratification overwhelmed the real news in this case.

 

[Desert_Power]

Well put by Nick. This is why analysis is so important in fantasy football. Especially this time a year, a lot of the stories are pure access journalism telling the stories teams/agents want.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

This is gold and should be required listening for every person who consumes NFL news.

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We have traded true journalism for instant gratification

Journalism is covering and giving information that otherwise would not be out there.

Being the first to say the thing the team will say they're doing in 90 minutes is a different thing.

"I have the truth but I'm not letting it out as it'll piss off the wrong people" is a real thing and I was sort of surprised to see Wright being so honest there.

Thanks for sharing Joe. I’m not a reporter but would strongly suspect that you could extend these observations beyond sports reporting into basically all areas of reporting.

 

[ProstheticRGK]

It’s definitely a valid point, and applies to all journalism, not just sports. Brand management has risen as the new goal of “journalism”.

It is a little bit rich, though, coming from Nick Wright on the Cowherd show. Those guys make their bones throwing out ‘hot takes’ they know will be controversial and gain clicks. A little pot calling the kettle black.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Sanders is a perfect example of why you hire a professional agent.

 

[Joe Bryant]

This is gold and should be required listening for every person who consumes NFL news.

I qued it to the relevant spot.

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We have traded true journalism for instant gratification

Journalism is covering and giving information that otherwise would not be out there.

Being the first to say the thing the team will say they're doing in 90 minutes is a different thing.

"I have the truth but I'm not letting it out as it'll piss off the wrong people" is a real thing and I was sort of surprised to see Wright being so honest there.

Thanks for sharing Joe. I’m not a reporter but would strongly suspect that you could extend these observations beyond sports reporting into basically all areas of reporting.

Absolutely @Alex P Keaton

 

[Leroy Hoard]

It’s definitely a valid point, and applies to all journalism, not just sports. Brand management has risen as the new goal of “journalism”.

It is a little bit rich, though, coming from Nick Wright on the Cowherd show. Those guys make their bones throwing out ‘hot takes’ they know will be controversial and gain clicks. A little pot calling the kettle black.

Yes, it was a good point coming from a somewhat suspect source.

 

[32 Counter Pass]

Thanks for sharing. I am at a point where I do not believe any insiders or coaches.

 

[SHH]

I always liked that Nick Wright. He's a good kid.

 

[Soulfly3]

I always liked that Nick Wright. He's a good kid.

When you cutting your hair though?

 

[5-ish Finkle]

It is a little bit rich, though, coming from Nick Wright on the Cowherd show. Those guys make their bones throwing out ‘hot takes’ they know will be controversial and gain clicks. A little pot calling the kettle black.

More than a little. "I'M NOT AN INSIDER!" though. So, apparently that makes "firsties!!" mentality okay? Gotcha, Nick.

The first thing I thought of upon seeing Cowherd's mug after reading the original post/clicking link was "Wait... if that guy isn't the president of this particular "hair club for men", he's at least a lifetime evangelizing client."

It's absolutely a valid point, and it goes far far beyond just sports journalism.
However, it is still incredibly hypocritical to be coming from the likes of Cowherd.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

It’s definitely a valid point, and applies to all journalism, not just sports. Brand management has risen as the new goal of “journalism”.

It is a little bit rich, though, coming from Nick Wright on the Cowherd show. Those guys make their bones throwing out ‘hot takes’ they know will be controversial and gain clicks. A little pot calling the kettle black.

Yes, it was a good point coming from a somewhat suspect source.

Literally that onion headline about the worst person you know making a good point.

 

[SHH]

How do we feel about Kevin Wildes and Chris Broussard?

 

[Joe Bryant]

It is a little bit rich, though, coming from Nick Wright on the Cowherd show. Those guys make their bones throwing out ‘hot takes’ they know will be controversial and gain clicks. A little pot calling the kettle black.

More than a little. "I'M NOT AN INSIDER!" though. So, apparently that makes "firsties!!" mentality okay? Gotcha, Nick.

The first thing I thought of upon seeing Cowherd's mug after reading the original post/clicking link was "Wait... if that guy isn't the president of this particular "hair club for men", he's at least a lifetime evangelizing client."

It's absolutely a valid point, and it goes far far beyond just sports journalism.
However, it is still incredibly hypocritical to be coming from the likes of Cowherd.

I know lots of people don't like Cowherd.

But it's Wright that's making the point.

But even if it were Cowherd, he doesn't position himself as a news breaker or insider that has stories first.

He's a lot more like Footballguys in he talks about the news that's broken and gives his take on what it means.

But he also has a different motivation and incentive. He often says, "I'm not in the business of being right. I'm in the business of being interesting". That's not Footballguys business at all. We don't want to be boring, but we're very much in the business of trying to be right.

In a way though, that illustrates Wright's bigger point: Try to understand the incentive for why people are reporting what they report.

 

[fatness]

How do we feel about Kevin Wildes and Chris Broussard?

To me, Wright seems more knowledgeable than either of them but perhaps that's because he does 50% of the talking on the show, with all his leaning across the table and raising his arms and hands to discourage others from talking. Wildes in particular seems to say next to nothing.

But Wright's point is a good point that many other people have made as well ---- that "getting something posted first" has acquired more importance than "getting something reported accurately and fully".

 

[Ghost Rider]

How do we feel about Kevin Wildes and Chris Broussard?

To me, Wright seems more knowledgeable than either of them but perhaps that's because he does 50% of the talking on the show, with all his leaning across the table and raising his arms and hands to discourage others from talking. Wildes in particular seems to say next to nothing.

But Wright's point is a good point that many other people have made as well ---- that "getting something posted first" has acquired more importance than "getting something reported accurately and fully".

First Things First is the only national sports show I watch (and when I say watch, I mean I DVR it and watch a few clips more days than not, although I tend to watch more during football season), and the great chemistry between the three is awesome. And the way the show is ran is perfect, as Wildes is a great host; he is hilarious and very likable, but he tends to have really bad takes (and often times, straddles the line and refuses to give a real opinion), so the less he opines the better, and they know it. I don't agree that Wright tries to discourage the others from talking; he is just very talkative in general and just can't help himself sometimes. It's clear that he has great respect for Broussard and Wildes, even when disagreeing with either.

 

[SHH]

How do we feel about Kevin Wildes and Chris Broussard?

To me, Wright seems more knowledgeable than either of them but perhaps that's because he does 50% of the talking on the show, with all his leaning across the table and raising his arms and hands to discourage others from talking. Wildes in particular seems to say next to nothing.

But Wright's point is a good point that many other people have made as well ---- that "getting something posted first" has acquired more importance than "getting something reported accurately and fully".

First Things First is the only national sports show I watch (and when I say watch, I mean I DVR it and watch a few clips more days than not, although I tend to watch more during football season), and the great chemistry between the three is awesome. And the way the show is ran is perfect, as Wildes is a great host; he is hilarious and very likable, but he tends to have really bad takes (and often times, straddles the line and refuses to give a real opinion), so the less he opines the better, and they know it. I don't agree that Wright tries to discourage the others from talking; he is just very talkative in general and just can't help himself sometimes. It's clear that he has great respect for Broussard and Wildes, even when disagreeing with either.

It's my favorite show, too. You can tell that Wildes provides a lot of the charm to the show and keeps everything on the rails. Wright is pretty smart especially with the contract stuff, but I think him talking over everybody is part of his shtick now.

I think I like Brou the best because you can just tell he's having a lot of fun near the end of his sports journalism career. The clips starting showing up on my Youtube a few years back.

 

[massraider]

It's absolutely a valid point, and it goes far far beyond just sports journalism.
However, it is still incredibly hypocritical to be coming from the likes of Cowherd.

Yeah, the hot take merchants making this point, cool, you are right, of course, but y'all are just a different kind of crappy.

They won't suck up to agents to get the scoop on the contract, but they will throw players and coaches under the bus for eyeballs on their outrageous statements.

This is a fine time to shoot the messenger

And Nick isn't the best example, from what I have seen he's relatively reasonable. But Cowherd occupies the same space in my brain as Jim Rome. They entertain people, great. But their takes shouldn't be altering anyone's opinion for the most part. Cowherd is the Jim Cramer of opinion.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Cowherd occupies the same space in my brain as Jim Rome. They entertain people, great. But their takes shouldn't

I’d add Stephen A. Smith to that tier.

 

[massraider]

Cowherd occupies the same space in my brain as Jim Rome. They entertain people, great. But their takes shouldn't

I’d add Stephen A. Smith to that tier.

My issue with these dudes is, their fans will remember the correct calls, and the other 7 misses just fade away

 

[Joe Bryant]

Cowherd occupies the same space in my brain as Jim Rome. They entertain people, great. But their takes shouldn't

I’d add Stephen A. Smith to that tier.

My issue with these dudes is, their fans will remember the correct calls, and the other 7 misses just fade away

Interesting. That's not been my experience at all.

People remember way more the things you get wrong than the things you get right. At least in my experience.

 

[Joe Bryant]

It's absolutely a valid point, and it goes far far beyond just sports journalism.
However, it is still incredibly hypocritical to be coming from the likes of Cowherd.

Yeah, the hot take merchants making this point, cool, you are right, of course, but y'all are just a different kind of crappy.

They won't suck up to agents to get the scoop on the contract, but they will throw players and coaches under the bus for eyeballs on their outrageous statements.

This is a fine time to shoot the messenger

And Nick isn't the best example, from what I have seen he's relatively reasonable. But Cowherd occupies the same space in my brain as Jim Rome. They entertain people, great. But their takes shouldn't be altering anyone's opinion for the most part. Cowherd is the Jim Cramer of opinion.

Do you like any of the NFL Analysts? If so, which ones?

 

[massraider]

Do you like any of the NFL Analysts? If so, which ones?

Analysis as entertainment is a valid form of media, just not for me. So any of the daytime stuff, the group debate chat about top stories, I get why the audience is there, but I don't ever see data I can use. I am mainly looking for info, and these shows are extensions of sports radio.

I'll seek out:
Mina Kimes
The Athletic Football podcasts, NFL and fantasy
JJ Zacharison
Daniel Jeremiah
The Athletic beat writers (this subscription is my favorite money I spend)
Macri and Davenport for IDP
If Pablo Torre or Lebetard are talking with an interesting guest, they can have some enjoyable insightful hours, but these guys throw up some stinkers as well.
The PFF crew is pretty good, I always check them out.

 

[Riffraff]

Takeaway #1: Excellent 3 horses analogy. Seems that way in many professions that need market visibility (for the ex-player/celeb horse).

Takeaway #2: Truth on 'speed over accuracy/research' in "journalism" has been the norm for a long time (and it's not overly great).

Takeaway #3: I'm no Jim Henson, but visually Nick Wright would make a naturally interesting muppet.

 

[fatness]

I'll seek out:
Mina Kimes
The Athletic Football podcasts, NFL and fantasy
JJ Zacharison
Daniel Jeremiah
The Athletic beat writers (this subscription is my favorite money I spend)
Macri and Davenport for IDP
If Pablo Torre or Lebetard are talking with an interesting guest, they can have some enjoyable insightful hours, but these guys throw up some stinkers as well.
The PFF crew is pretty good, I always check them out.

I really enjoy Mina Kimes. She's usually partnered with others when she's on the air and pretty consistently seems to know more than those others.

Also, regarding the Athletic beat writers (which I enjoy), when my subscription is about to renew I try to quit, and then get offered a super cheap deal to renew. Just a small way to save a few bucks.