No surprise to anyone but it looks like Crabtree maybe coming out. (1 Viewer)

[DA RAIDERS]

the raiders should start praying. he's the only player i would take in the first other than an o or d lineman

If the Raiders take him, I simply would not touch him with a top 3 dynasty league rookie pick. That's how much I knock down players for FF purposes that the Raiders pick.

thanks for sharing!!!

Feel free to refute my statement.If I'm wrong, I don't have a problem with changing my stance.

i'm not refuting it, it's just not relevant to the conversation at hand.

It is plenty relevant to the conversation. Where a player lands has a lot to do with his fantasy value, and like most threads, this conversation has developed into a lot more than just whether Crabtree is coming out.

it's a little much to speculate on whether a player is coming out, which team is going to take him, & then start to rank him in ff value. plus, the whole stating the obvious. so if the rams take him, what happens to avery's value.

 

[-OZ-]

the raiders should start praying. he's the only player i would take in the first other than an o or d lineman

If the Raiders take him, I simply would not touch him with a top 3 dynasty league rookie pick. That's how much I knock down players for FF purposes that the Raiders pick.

thanks for sharing!!!

Feel free to refute my statement.If I'm wrong, I don't have a problem with changing my stance.

i'm not refuting it, it's just not relevant to the conversation at hand.

It is plenty relevant to the conversation. Where a player lands has a lot to do with his fantasy value, and like most threads, this conversation has developed into a lot more than just whether Crabtree is coming out.

it's a little much to speculate on whether a player is coming out, which team is going to take him, & then start to rank him in ff value. plus, the whole stating the obvious. so if the rams take him, what happens to avery's value.

You do realize he simply replied to your "praying" about the Raiders taking him, right?

 

[Tornacl]

I think it would be in the best interest for the Lions as well as the Raiders to trade down and hoard draft picks then spend a high one on one single player. Both have gaping holes in their offense and defense. I can see the Lions doing it because they really cannot get any worse and they'd get boo'd off the stage if they take another WR with their first pick, as for the Raiders... nope. Al Davis is salivating for Crabtree I'm assuming... he will get paid very good money, but his career will be in serious jeopardy depending on the contract that he signs. Al Davis will most certainly not pass up on a big name player that he thinks is the only link he's missing to a championship. The guy is delusional, and if Crabtree was smart... he'd pull an Eli Manning deal if this happens and refuse to play there.

i've been saying this for the last 3 years. i hated the russell pick & was screaming at the tv, TRADE DOWN!!!!!!!!! will it happen? probably not.

The problem is that no one actually wants the #1 pick. The rookie salaries are so out of whack that no one wants the pick, and it is actually hurting teams more than helping them. They have to spend more money on the #1 overall pick than they do on free agents that have proven themselves. Nearly half of the big contracts are guaranteed money, so most teams want nothing to do with the pick. Charlie Casserly, the Texans GM who drafted Mario Williams, said that he did not have one offer for the pick. One team that he contacted said that the Texans should have to give the other teams something for them taking the pick.Until the NFL has a rookie salary structure in place, no one wants the pick, because you have to invest too much money in an unproven quantity. Also, it really limits the positions that you can draft, because if you're going to spend that much money, you have to do it on one of the premium positions (QB, LT, DE).Even if the Lions wanted to trade the pick (if that would be the right decision, then they wouldn't even consider it) they won't be able to. Trading the #1 pick is a great idea, but it doesn't happen any more.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

the raiders should start praying. he's the only player i would take in the first other than an o or d lineman

If the Raiders take him, I simply would not touch him with a top 3 dynasty league rookie pick. That's how much I knock down players for FF purposes that the Raiders pick.

thanks for sharing!!!

Feel free to refute my statement.If I'm wrong, I don't have a problem with changing my stance.

i'm not refuting it, it's just not relevant to the conversation at hand.

It is plenty relevant to the conversation. Where a player lands has a lot to do with his fantasy value, and like most threads, this conversation has developed into a lot more than just whether Crabtree is coming out.

it's a little much to speculate on whether a player is coming out, which team is going to take him, & then start to rank him in ff value. plus, the whole stating the obvious. so if the rams take him, what happens to avery's value.

You do realize he simply replied to your "praying" about the Raiders taking him, right?

I guess DaRaiders conveniently forgot that part

 

[DA RAIDERS]

you didn't answer my question... what happens to avery's value if the rams take him. or if you prefer we can discuss bowe's value if kc takes him or does he make thigpen a top 5 pick? , or what about ocho cinco & housh? does housh leave for sure if cin drafts him? pointless discussions at this time, imho.

jax would love to have him i'm sure.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

you didn't answer my question... what happens to avery's value if the rams take him. or if you prefer we can discuss bowe's value if kc takes him or does he make thigpen a top 5 pick? , or what about ocho cinco & housh? does housh leave for sure if cin drafts him? pointless discussions at this time, imho.jax would love to have him i'm sure.

Nothing happens to Avery's value. It's not like the Rams have Fitz and Boldin already there. As far as Chad Johnson and Houshamazilly, he would do just fine in Cincy as soon as Palmer is back healthy. The problem with the Raiders is they have what I believe will be a bust for a QB, and a bad organization in general. Not exactly where I want my fantasy players playing. Now that could change in the future. Remember, the Colts were once the Raiders and worse.ETA, I'm not sold on Garrard either, so Jax isn't a good landing spot from a fantasy perspective. Same for Tenn long term. Both these teams like to run the ball, and will for the foreseeable future

 

[massraider]

I would love to see Crabtree on the Raiders, and I don't give a flying **** what it does to his fantasy value.

Look, the conversation took another turn!!

 

[DA RAIDERS]

you didn't answer my question... what happens to avery's value if the rams take him. or if you prefer we can discuss bowe's value if kc takes him or does he make thigpen a top 5 pick? , or what about ocho cinco & housh? does housh leave for sure if cin drafts him? pointless discussions at this time, imho.jax would love to have him i'm sure.

Nothing happens to Avery's value. It's not like the Rams have Fitz and Boldin already there. As far as Chad Johnson and Houshamazilly, he would do just fine in Cincy as soon as Palmer is back healthy. The problem with the Raiders is they have what I believe will be a bust for a QB, and a bad organization in general. Not exactly where I want my fantasy players playing. Now that could change in the future. Remember, the Colts were once the Raiders and worse.ETA, I'm not sold on Garrard either, so Jax isn't a good landing spot from a fantasy perspective. Same for Tenn long term. Both these teams like to run the ball, and will for the foreseeable future

what about bowe & thigpen?& i have been screaming about russell's sucktitude forever.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

you didn't answer my question... what happens to avery's value if the rams take him. or if you prefer we can discuss bowe's value if kc takes him or does he make thigpen a top 5 pick? , or what about ocho cinco & housh? does housh leave for sure if cin drafts him? pointless discussions at this time, imho.jax would love to have him i'm sure.

Nothing happens to Avery's value. It's not like the Rams have Fitz and Boldin already there. As far as Chad Johnson and Houshamazilly, he would do just fine in Cincy as soon as Palmer is back healthy. The problem with the Raiders is they have what I believe will be a bust for a QB, and a bad organization in general. Not exactly where I want my fantasy players playing. Now that could change in the future. Remember, the Colts were once the Raiders and worse.ETA, I'm not sold on Garrard either, so Jax isn't a good landing spot from a fantasy perspective. Same for Tenn long term. Both these teams like to run the ball, and will for the foreseeable future

what about bowe & thigpen?& i have been screaming about russell's sucktitude forever.

I'm not sure what I think about Thigpen. I'm sure having Crabtree on one side and Bowe on the other is a good thing, not a bad thing. I look for Gonzalez's value to decline if they get another stud WR, even if he is the ageless one. Like I said, I'm not sure how good Thigpen will be. I lean on the side of skeptical. Look, from an NFL perspective, any team would love to have him (Crabtree), but from a fantasy perspective you have to take into consideration his landing spot. We speculate in this forum because that's what we like to do.

 

[-OZ-]

Also, it really limits the positions that you can draft, because if you're going to spend that much money, you have to do it on one of the premium positions (QB, LT, DE).

I was wondering about that. If there were an absolute stud at a lesser position, say G, S, or RB, could a team save money by drafting one? Enough so the pick actually makes sense? Say Sean Taylor, Adrian Peterson or Patrick Willis? I'm guessing that the fact that they weren't drafted there answers my question, but it seems possible that one of these players could accept less money than the premier QB or LT.

 

[coolnerd]

We speculate in this forum because that's what we like to do.

Good quote and to take it further...isn't fantasy football one giant speculation fest?

 

[Bri]

the raiders should start praying. he's the only player i would take in the first other than an o or d lineman

If the Raiders take him, I simply would not touch him with a top 3 dynasty league rookie pick. That's how much I knock down players for FF purposes that the Raiders pick.

He's played 2 years and won the best WR award two times. Why not? And have you ever been OK with a WR going top 3- if so what's the difference to here? And finally when a younger college player goes pro is there extra development to be gained than just with a normal rookie that went to the NFL after his senior year?

The problem isn't with Crabtree, it's with the Raiders. Oakland is fantasy hell for WRs.

Most WRs are "eh" when they get there. I liked Curry but he was always hurt. I was in the minority in not being "blown away" by Porter but there were enough of us that didn't quite think he'd be Rice II. Walker watched his buddy die and was a headcase before, that was a roll of the dice by them. I wish Walker well but without some sort of regiment involving therapy...nother time nother place, you get my point. Moss just following Minny with that bus stuff, not playing hard every play, then the boat scandal(timing might be off) there was alot going on. I can't think of the last normal player they had at WR that caught my eye. Well, there is a rook this year that looked OK.BTW not a college football guy, would really appreciate it if some could take a stab at those Qs a bit.

 

[Mikey16x]

I think it would be in the best interest for the Lions as well as the Raiders to trade down and hoard draft picks then spend a high one on one single player. Both have gaping holes in their offense and defense. I can see the Lions doing it because they really cannot get any worse and they'd get boo'd off the stage if they take another WR with their first pick, as for the Raiders... nope. Al Davis is salivating for Crabtree I'm assuming... he will get paid very good money, but his career will be in serious jeopardy depending on the contract that he signs. Al Davis will most certainly not pass up on a big name player that he thinks is the only link he's missing to a championship. The guy is delusional, and if Crabtree was smart... he'd pull an Eli Manning deal if this happens and refuse to play there.

I disagree with the Lions trading down. They need to draft Andre Smith and solidify the left tackle position for the next ten years. Moving on, perhaps the Raiders could trade down, but who is realistically going to move up to the #2 position to draft Crabtree? Unless he proves in the combine to be the type of can't-miss prospect that Megatron proved to be, I doubt he goes anywhere before Seattle.

the raiders are currently picking 5-7 depending on what happens this weekend. this is actually encouraging for raider fans. crabtree will probably be gone & i don't see any other shiny objects for al to focus on. so we might get a decent o or d lineman. but if we had the opportunity i'd still trade down.

lol @ shiny objects.. it's so true... Al Davis is like a toddler, he's regressed back.. it happens in old age. The Lions need offensive linemen, they need to follow the format the Jets laid down when the year they drafted mangold, dabrickshaw... etc. These teams need to stop selling dreams to themselves and admit they need to start from the ground up. I have hope for the Lions now... but it took a winless season to show them just how bad they really are. I think this is a major head turner and the NFL will start getting on their backs and help turn the team around. I can be wrong but I believe the NFL did offer to put some of their own guys in there to help the Lions and get the franchise back on it's feet before this happened, and they rejected the offer.As for Crabtree... if/when he lands in Seattle.. he's going to be productive. Aging Engram and super frail Deion Branch is not cutting the mustard. If he kid lands in Seattle, I have high hopes... if anywhere above Seattle.. I'll have written him off as another would-be career down the tubes.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

I think it would be in the best interest for the Lions as well as the Raiders to trade down and hoard draft picks then spend a high one on one single player. Both have gaping holes in their offense and defense. I can see the Lions doing it because they really cannot get any worse and they'd get boo'd off the stage if they take another WR with their first pick, as for the Raiders... nope. Al Davis is salivating for Crabtree I'm assuming... he will get paid very good money, but his career will be in serious jeopardy depending on the contract that he signs. Al Davis will most certainly not pass up on a big name player that he thinks is the only link he's missing to a championship. The guy is delusional, and if Crabtree was smart... he'd pull an Eli Manning deal if this happens and refuse to play there.

I disagree with the Lions trading down. They need to draft Andre Smith and solidify the left tackle position for the next ten years. Moving on, perhaps the Raiders could trade down, but who is realistically going to move up to the #2 position to draft Crabtree? Unless he proves in the combine to be the type of can't-miss prospect that Megatron proved to be, I doubt he goes anywhere before Seattle.

the raiders are currently picking 5-7 depending on what happens this weekend. this is actually encouraging for raider fans. crabtree will probably be gone & i don't see any other shiny objects for al to focus on. so we might get a decent o or d lineman. but if we had the opportunity i'd still trade down.

#### you al davis

 

[facook]

Thank you Al Davis.