No surprise to anyone but it looks like Crabtree maybe coming out. (1 Viewer)

[BigTex]

BREAKING NEWS: Michael Crabtree Coming (to Dallas) and Going (to the NFL)Tue Dec 23, 2008 at 08:00:42 AM In news that should surprise no one, Michael Crabtree's last college game will be Jan. 2 in the last Cotton Bowl played in Dallas. No official announcement, but I hear the Texas Tech All-World receiver and two-time Biletnikoff Award winner is making plans for the future.And they include more Dallas than Lubbock.Seems he's coming home for the Cotton Bowl. And he may be staying awhile.According to a source, Crabtree, a former star at Carter High School, plans to participate in Deion Sanders' "Prime U" workout camps at SMU aimed at getting prospects ready for professional football in general and the NFL Scouting Combine in specific.More proof that he's planning for a profitable future as a Top 5 draft pick, Crabtree has also tabbed Dallas' Anthony "Paco" Montoya to be his professional personal assistant. Montoya, if you remember, served the same function for a pretty decent Dallas receiver of the past - Michael Irvin.Now, if the Cowboys could finagle a way to draft Crabtree and make him get a permanent home here. - Richie WhittTags: Deion Sanders, football, Michael Crabtree Category: Cotton Bowl

 

[Skanker]

BREAKING NEWS: Michael Crabtree Coming (to Dallas) and Going (to the NFL)Tue Dec 23, 2008 at 08:00:42 AM In news that should surprise no one, Michael Crabtree's last college game will be Jan. 2 in the last Cotton Bowl played in Dallas. No official announcement, but I hear the Texas Tech All-World receiver and two-time Biletnikoff Award winner is making plans for the future.And they include more Dallas than Lubbock.Seems he's coming home for the Cotton Bowl. And he may be staying awhile.According to a source, Crabtree, a former star at Carter High School, plans to participate in Deion Sanders' "Prime U" workout camps at SMU aimed at getting prospects ready for professional football in general and the NFL Scouting Combine in specific.More proof that he's planning for a profitable future as a Top 5 draft pick, Crabtree has also tabbed Dallas' Anthony "Paco" Montoya to be his professional personal assistant. Montoya, if you remember, served the same function for a pretty decent Dallas receiver of the past - Michael Irvin.Now, if the Cowboys could finagle a way to draft Crabtree and make him get a permanent home here. - Richie WhittTags: Deion Sanders, football, Michael Crabtree Category: Cotton Bowl

 

[Mimo]

Decision is a No-brainer

 

[Punchie]

And Detroit has the #1 pick...

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

And Detroit has the #1 pick...

at Detroit taking a WR #1......but he is the top WR out there.

 

[FavreCo]

He's good but he ain't no Calvin Johnson on his best day.

-Calvin Johnson owner.

 

[MDSkinner]

He's good but he ain't no Calvin Johnson on his best day.-Calvin Johnson owner.

Interesting point. Where does he rate with some of the early round WR's taken in recent years. Just looking over the last few years at top 20 WR draft picks2008None2007Calvin JohnsonTed Ginn2006None2005Braylon EdwardsTroy WilliamsonMike Williams2004Larry FitzgeraldRoy WilliamsReggie WilliamsLee EvansMichael Clayton2003Charles RogersAndre JohnsonBryant JohnsonAny thoughts?

 

[Sinrman]

2008None2007Calvin Johnson -- GOOD so farTed Ginn -- shown promise2006None2005Braylon Edwards -- shown promise, but this year was horribleTroy Williamson -- BUSTMike Williams -- BIG BUST2004Larry Fitzgerald -- GREAT so farRoy Williams -- shown promise, could excel in Dallas if given timeReggie Williams -- had one good season, but that's itLee Evans -- shown promiseMichael Clayton -- see Reggie Williams2003Charles Rogers -- BIG BUSTAndre Johnson -- GREAT so farBryant Johnson -- decent #3 but not worthy of a 1st rounder

Not a good track record for WRs, at least in the last 5 years. Crabtree looks to be the best of the receivers coming into the 2009 draft and will likely get picked in the 1st by someone. But much like 2008, it seems to be a very thin pool of talented WRs going into the draft.

 

[FavreCo]

I'd put him 4th behind Calvin, Fitz and Andre. Ahead of Edwards, Evans and the rest.

 

[Cookiemonster]

2008

None

2007

Calvin Johnson>Crabtree

Ted Ginn<Crabtree

2006

None

2005

Braylon Edwards=Crabtree

Troy Williamson<Crabtree

Mike Williams<Crabtree

2004

Larry Fitzgerald>Crabtree

Roy Williams=Crabtree

Reggie Williams<Crabtree

Lee Evans<Crabtree

Michael Clayton<Crabtree

2003

Charles Rogers=Crabtree (time of draft of course)

Andre Johnson=Crabtree

Bryant Johnson<Crabtree

1) I think it's likely he goes top 5. If Detroit takes anything but Stafford or T Andre Smith, the city's populace may take up torches & pitchforks. There are 3 OT worth top 10 picks, and top 5 consideration.

2) The Rams could take Crabtree, but could really use whichever of the two players already mentioned that Detroit doesn't take.

3) Next up is KC. This could very well be the spot, but Crabtree reminds me very much of Bowe and is likely not the type of WR that the Chiefs would prefer to play opposite of Bowe.

4) Bengals spent early picks on pass-catchers last year, so could they go with a top 5 pick at WR this year? I guess that depends on what they do with 85 & Housh (both over 30 and Housh is a potential FA). I'd really like Crabtree catching Palmer's passes opposite 85, but with so many other needs/good players on the board/2 young pass catchers last year... I have a hard time seeing this.

5/6) Then you have the Seahawks & Raiders. I don't think either would pass him up. Both could use some of the very good OTs that should be on the board, Malcolm Jenkins or Brian Orakpo but Crabtree is top 3 talent and shouldn't slip past the #6 spot. Some good talent in the top 10, and a very good & deep WR class will sway some to pass on him, thinking that they won't be able to get close to the same OT talent at the top of the 2nd that you can at WR.

 

[Cookiemonster]

Not a good track record for WRs, at least in the last 5 years. Crabtree looks to be the best of the receivers coming into the 2009 draft and will likely get picked in the 1st by someone. But much like 2008, it seems to be a very thin pool of talented WRs going into the draft.

 

[Chachi]

But much like 2008, it seems to be a very thin pool of talented WRs going into the draft.

Either you don't watch college football or somebody is feeding you some really bad information and quite possibly both apply.Crabtree, Maclin, Harvin, DHB are all better prospects than any single WR coming out last season. Then you have Dillard and Britt who would have been under consideration to be the top WR taken if they were in last years draft.

 

[FUBAR]

I'd put him 4th behind Calvin, Fitz and Andre. Ahead of Edwards, Evans and the rest.

I'd say he's equal to Braylon. BE was the best player in that draft at the time. Miami and San Fran made the usual mistake of drafting the best player at the position they wanted, not the best player.I don't think Detroit or KC draft him, St. Louis is possible but I'd bet against it. Crabtree should be a Seahawk. Last year's draft appeared to be thin at WR, but like many things, appearances proved to be deceiving.

 

[FUBAR]

4) Bengals spent 3 2nd round picks on pass-catchers last year, so could they go with a top 5 pick at WR this year? I guess that depends on what they do with 85 & Housh (both over 30 and Housh is a potential FA). I'd really like Crabtree catching Palmer's passes opposite 85, but with so many other needs/good players on the board/3 2nd round picks on catchers last year... I have a hard time seeing this.

Crabtree, Caldwell and Simpson could be a great young trio. My memory may be faulty - what 3 2nds?1 9 Keith Rivers OLB USC 2 46 Jerome Simpson WR Coastal Carolina 3 77 Pat Sims DT Auburn 3 97 Andre Caldwell WR Florida 4 112 Anthony Collins T Kansas 5 145 Jason Shirley DT Fresno State 6 177 Corey Lynch FS Appalachian State 6 207 Matt Sherry TE Villanova 7 244 Angelo Craig DE Cincinnati 7 246 Mario Urrutia WR Louisville

 

[Dante Hicks]

2008None2007Calvin Johnson -- GOOD so farTed Ginn -- shown promise2006None2005Braylon Edwards -- shown promise, but this year was horribleTroy Williamson -- BUSTMike Williams -- BIG BUST2004Larry Fitzgerald -- GREAT so farRoy Williams -- shown promise, could excel in Dallas if given timeReggie Williams -- had one good season, but that's itLee Evans -- shown promiseMichael Clayton -- see Reggie Williams2003Charles Rogers -- BIG BUSTAndre Johnson -- GREAT so farBryant Johnson -- decent #3 but not worthy of a 1st rounder

Not a good track record for WRs, at least in the last 5 years. Crabtree looks to be the best of the receivers coming into the 2009 draft and will likely get picked in the 1st by someone. But much like 2008, it seems to be a very thin pool of talented WRs going into the draft.

Jeremy Maclin down?

 

[Cookiemonster]

4) Bengals spent 3 2nd round picks on pass-catchers last year, so could they go with a top 5 pick at WR this year? I guess that depends on what they do with 85 & Housh (both over 30 and Housh is a potential FA). I'd really like Crabtree catching Palmer's passes opposite 85, but with so many other needs/good players on the board/3 2nd round picks on catchers last year... I have a hard time seeing this.

Crabtree, Caldwell and Simpson could be a great young trio. My memory may be faulty - what 3 2nds?1 9 Keith Rivers OLB USC 2 46 Jerome Simpson WR Coastal Carolina 3 77 Pat Sims DT Auburn 3 97 Andre Caldwell WR Florida 4 112 Anthony Collins T Kansas 5 145 Jason Shirley DT Fresno State 6 177 Corey Lynch FS Appalachian State 6 207 Matt Sherry TE Villanova 7 244 Angelo Craig DE Cincinnati 7 246 Mario Urrutia WR Louisville

I must have confused them with the Redskins. I thought they had Simpson, Caldwell & a TE all within 30 or so picks. I'll edit.

 

[FUBAR]

Not a good track record for WRs, at least in the last 5 years. Crabtree looks to be the best of the receivers coming into the 2009 draft and will likely get picked in the 1st by someone. But much like 2008, it seems to be a very thin pool of talented WRs going into the draft.

Jeremy Maclin down?

I'm not completely sold on Harvin, but this group could be reminiscent of '96.

 

[FUBAR]

4) Bengals spent 3 2nd round picks on pass-catchers last year, so could they go with a top 5 pick at WR this year? I guess that depends on what they do with 85 & Housh (both over 30 and Housh is a potential FA). I'd really like Crabtree catching Palmer's passes opposite 85, but with so many other needs/good players on the board/3 2nd round picks on catchers last year... I have a hard time seeing this.

Crabtree, Caldwell and Simpson could be a great young trio. My memory may be faulty - what 3 2nds?1 9 Keith Rivers OLB USC 2 46 Jerome Simpson WR Coastal Carolina 3 77 Pat Sims DT Auburn 3 97 Andre Caldwell WR Florida 4 112 Anthony Collins T Kansas 5 145 Jason Shirley DT Fresno State 6 177 Corey Lynch FS Appalachian State 6 207 Matt Sherry TE Villanova 7 244 Angelo Craig DE Cincinnati 7 246 Mario Urrutia WR Louisville

I must have confused them with another team. I thought they had Simpson, Caldwell & a TE all within 30 or so picks. I'll edit.

Washington Redskins:2 34 Devin Thomas WR Michigan State 2 48 Fred Davis TE USC 2 51 Malcolm Kelly WR Oklahoma

 

[Enforcer]

Welcome to Seattle, Mr. Crabtree. You should slide into the SE position of the offense nicely.

 

[massraider]

Welcome to Seattle, Mr. Crabtree. You should slide into the SE position of the offense nicely.

Seems like an ideal match.

 

[Enforcer]

Welcome to Seattle, Mr. Crabtree. You should slide into the SE position of the offense nicely.

Seems like an ideal match.

 

[RUSF18]

I had heard that Crabtree could slip a bit on questions of his timed speed and the general discounting of the Texas Tech system and how it could make players look better than they actually are.

Keep in mind, this was someone else's opinion, not mine.

 

[massraider]

I had heard that Crabtree could slip a bit on questions of his timed speed and the general discounting of the Texas Tech system and how it could make players look better than they actually are.Keep in mind, this was someone else's opinion, not mine.

I've heard that his speed may be a concern. I think if his combine or workout numbers are around 4.48-4.5, teams won't hesitate.

 

[Gottabesweet]

IE: Limas Sweed?

 

[TakiToki]

BREAKING NEWS: Michael Crabtree Coming (to Dallas) and Going (to the NFL)

Tue Dec 23, 2008 at 08:00:42 AM

In news that should surprise no one, Michael Crabtree's last college game will be Jan. 2 in the last Cotton Bowl played in Dallas. No official announcement, but I hear the Texas Tech All-World receiver and two-time Biletnikoff Award winner is making plans for the future.

And they include more Dallas than Lubbock.

Seems he's coming home for the Cotton Bowl. And he may be staying awhile.

According to a source, Crabtree, a former star at Carter High School, plans to participate in Deion Sanders' "Prime U" workout camps at SMU aimed at getting prospects ready for professional football in general and the NFL Scouting Combine in specific.

More proof that he's planning for a profitable future as a Top 5 draft pick, Crabtree has also tabbed Dallas' Anthony "Paco" Montoya to be his professional personal assistant. Montoya, if you remember, served the same function for a pretty decent Dallas receiver of the past - Michael Irvin.

Now, if the Cowboys could finagle a way to draft Crabtree and make him get a permanent home here. - Richie Whitt

Tags: Deion Sanders, football, Michael Crabtree

Category: Cotton Bowl

While I'd certainly guess that he winds up declaring, the Deion camp isn't really evidence of that. He went to the same camp last year.

 

[massraider]

IE: Limas Sweed?

Larry Fitzgerald.First guy I thought of as a comparison. Not as a prospect, but in the abstract. Dominant player, questions about speed, but none about actual WR skills.

 

[offdee]

IE: Limas Sweed?

Larry Fitzgerald.First guy I thought of as a comparison. Not as a prospect, but in the abstract. Dominant player, questions about speed, but none about actual WR skills.

Correct.Anquan Boldin is another example. Won't have the greatest timed speeds, but has game speed and tremendous run after the catch ability.I don't think anybody expects him to run blazing times, but the films don't lie.

 

[Ghost of Red Blaik]

Crabtree is going to be a stud!

I see him being a huge get for any team that get's him!!!

 

[DA RAIDERS]

the raiders should start praying. he's the only player i would take in the first other than an o or d lineman

 

[massraider]

the raiders should start praying. he's the only player i would take in the first other than an o or d lineman

Holla.If Crabtree is gone, I can't complain about taking the best OT or DE.Think we'll know the direction based on free agency. If they grab a decent WR, it's linemen.

 

[Spike]

the raiders should start praying. he's the only player i would take in the first other than an o or d lineman

If the Raiders take him, I simply would not touch him with a top 3 dynasty league rookie pick. That's how much I knock down players for FF purposes that the Raiders pick.

 

[Enforcer]

Raiders, Browns, and Seahawks all sit at 4-11.

OAK @ TB

SEA @ ARI

CLE @ PIT

All three look like solid loses next week. Who would pick first if they all end up at 4-12? Coin flip(s)?

EDIT: To add what I found with a quick search...

http://football.about.com/od/miscinformati...tdraftorder.htm

• The team with the lowest winning percentage at the end of the previous season drafts first in the NFL Draft.

• The rest of the teams are placed in order from lowest winning percentage to the highest.

• The Super Bowl winner drafts last, even if they do not have the highest winning percentage.

• The Super Bowl loser drafts next to last.

• Strength of schedule for the previous season is the first tie-breaker for teams with the same winning percentage.

• Divisional and conference records are the next step in the tie-breaking procedure.

• As a last resort, a coin toss is used to determine the order of selection for teams with the same winning percentage.

• If a playoff and non-playoff team end the season with the same winning percentage, the non-playoff team selects before the playoff team regardless of strength of schedule.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

the raiders should start praying. he's the only player i would take in the first other than an o or d lineman

If the Raiders take him, I simply would not touch him with a top 3 dynasty league rookie pick. That's how much I knock down players for FF purposes that the Raiders pick.

 

[moderated]

Crabtree is the biggest lock to be a stud of all the offensive players in this draft and it's not close.

He's as good of a prospect as AJ was coming out, but not quite as good of a prospect as Fitz/Calvin were coming into the league.

His game reminds me a lot of Fitz.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

the raiders should start praying. he's the only player i would take in the first other than an o or d lineman

If the Raiders take him, I simply would not touch him with a top 3 dynasty league rookie pick. That's how much I knock down players for FF purposes that the Raiders pick.

thanks for sharing!!!

 

[Mikey16x]

I think it would be in the best interest for the Lions as well as the Raiders to trade down and hoard draft picks then spend a high one on one single player. Both have gaping holes in their offense and defense. I can see the Lions doing it because they really cannot get any worse and they'd get boo'd off the stage if they take another WR with their first pick, as for the Raiders... nope. Al Davis is salivating for Crabtree I'm assuming... he will get paid very good money, but his career will be in serious jeopardy depending on the contract that he signs. Al Davis will most certainly not pass up on a big name player that he thinks is the only link he's missing to a championship. The guy is delusional, and if Crabtree was smart... he'd pull an Eli Manning deal if this happens and refuse to play there.

 

[Bri]

the raiders should start praying. he's the only player i would take in the first other than an o or d lineman

If the Raiders take him, I simply would not touch him with a top 3 dynasty league rookie pick. That's how much I knock down players for FF purposes that the Raiders pick.

He's played 2 years and won the best WR award two times. Why not? And have you ever been OK with a WR going top 3- if so what's the difference to here? And finally when a younger college player goes pro is there extra development to be gained than just with a normal rookie that went to the NFL after his senior year?

 

[Bri]

If the Lions drafted him, then the organization might implode. Maybe in an inadvertent way Lions fans should root for such a pick.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

the raiders should start praying. he's the only player i would take in the first other than an o or d lineman

If the Raiders take him, I simply would not touch him with a top 3 dynasty league rookie pick. That's how much I knock down players for FF purposes that the Raiders pick.

He's played 2 years and won the best WR award two times. Why not? And have you ever been OK with a WR going top 3- if so what's the difference to here? And finally when a younger college player goes pro is there extra development to be gained than just with a normal rookie that went to the NFL after his senior year?

The problem isn't with Crabtree, it's with the Raiders. Oakland is fantasy hell for WRs.

 

[Your Mom]

I'd put him 4th behind Calvin, Fitz and Andre. Ahead of Edwards, Evans and the rest.

I think you are 100% right. The guy is legit.

 

[Spike]

the raiders should start praying. he's the only player i would take in the first other than an o or d lineman

If the Raiders take him, I simply would not touch him with a top 3 dynasty league rookie pick. That's how much I knock down players for FF purposes that the Raiders pick.

thanks for sharing!!!

Feel free to refute my statement.If I'm wrong, I don't have a problem with changing my stance.

 

[Spike]

the raiders should start praying. he's the only player i would take in the first other than an o or d lineman

If the Raiders take him, I simply would not touch him with a top 3 dynasty league rookie pick. That's how much I knock down players for FF purposes that the Raiders pick.

He's played 2 years and won the best WR award two times. Why not? And have you ever been OK with a WR going top 3- if so what's the difference to here? And finally when a younger college player goes pro is there extra development to be gained than just with a normal rookie that went to the NFL after his senior year?

The problem isn't with Crabtree, it's with the Raiders. Oakland is fantasy hell for WRs.

That's what I feel also. It's not the players, it's the organization they go to. "The Black Hole" applies in more ways than one.

 

[Mr. Pink]

I think it would be in the best interest for the Lions as well as the Raiders to trade down and hoard draft picks then spend a high one on one single player. Both have gaping holes in their offense and defense. I can see the Lions doing it because they really cannot get any worse and they'd get boo'd off the stage if they take another WR with their first pick, as for the Raiders... nope. Al Davis is salivating for Crabtree I'm assuming... he will get paid very good money, but his career will be in serious jeopardy depending on the contract that he signs. Al Davis will most certainly not pass up on a big name player that he thinks is the only link he's missing to a championship. The guy is delusional, and if Crabtree was smart... he'd pull an Eli Manning deal if this happens and refuse to play there.

I disagree with the Lions trading down. They need to draft Andre Smith and solidify the left tackle position for the next ten years. Moving on, perhaps the Raiders could trade down, but who is realistically going to move up to the #2 position to draft Crabtree? Unless he proves in the combine to be the type of can't-miss prospect that Megatron proved to be, I doubt he goes anywhere before Seattle.

 

[BigTex]

I drafted C. Johnson eventhough he's in Detroit, I don't regret it one bit. If I have the chance I'm drafting Crabtree regardless of where he lands.

 

[cacksman]

Welcome to Seattle, Mr. Crabtree. You should slide into the SE position of the offense nicely.

Seems like an ideal match.

That is unless Seattle has played themselves out of reach of Crabtree with their recent 2 game win streak. I love watching them win but I hope it doesnt cost them.

 

[Shlon]

2008None2007Calvin Johnson>CrabtreeTed Ginn<Crabtree2006None2005Braylon Edwards=CrabtreeTroy Williamson<CrabtreeMike Williams<Crabtree2004Larry Fitzgerald>CrabtreeRoy Williams=CrabtreeReggie Williams<CrabtreeLee Evans<CrabtreeMichael Clayton<Crabtree2003Charles Rogers=Crabtree (time of draft of course)Andre Johnson=CrabtreeBryant Johnson<Crabtree1) I think it's likely he goes top 5. If Detroit takes anything but Stafford or T Andre Smith, the city's populace may take up torches & pitchforks. There are 3 OT worth top 10 picks, and top 5 consideration. 2) The Rams could take Crabtree, but could really use whichever of the two players already mentioned that Detroit doesn't take. 3) Next up is KC. This could very well be the spot, but Crabtree reminds me very much of Bowe and is likely not the type of WR that the Chiefs would prefer to play opposite of Bowe. 4) Bengals spent early picks on pass-catchers last year, so could they go with a top 5 pick at WR this year? I guess that depends on what they do with 85 & Housh (both over 30 and Housh is a potential FA). I'd really like Crabtree catching Palmer's passes opposite 85, but with so many other needs/good players on the board/2 young pass catchers last year... I have a hard time seeing this. 5/6) Then you have the Seahawks & Raiders. I don't think either would pass him up. Both could use some of the very good OTs that should be on the board, Malcolm Jenkins or Brian Orakpo but Crabtree is top 3 talent and shouldn't slip past the #6 spot. Some good talent in the top 10, and a very good & deep WR class will sway some to pass on him, thinking that they won't be able to get close to the same OT talent at the top of the 2nd that you can at WR.

How would you rate Roddy White on the 2005 draft?

 

[DA RAIDERS]

I think it would be in the best interest for the Lions as well as the Raiders to trade down and hoard draft picks then spend a high one on one single player. Both have gaping holes in their offense and defense. I can see the Lions doing it because they really cannot get any worse and they'd get boo'd off the stage if they take another WR with their first pick, as for the Raiders... nope. Al Davis is salivating for Crabtree I'm assuming... he will get paid very good money, but his career will be in serious jeopardy depending on the contract that he signs. Al Davis will most certainly not pass up on a big name player that he thinks is the only link he's missing to a championship. The guy is delusional, and if Crabtree was smart... he'd pull an Eli Manning deal if this happens and refuse to play there.

i've been saying this for the last 3 years. i hated the russell pick & was screaming at the tv, TRADE DOWN!!!!!!!!! will it happen? probably not.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

the raiders should start praying. he's the only player i would take in the first other than an o or d lineman

If the Raiders take him, I simply would not touch him with a top 3 dynasty league rookie pick. That's how much I knock down players for FF purposes that the Raiders pick.

thanks for sharing!!!

Feel free to refute my statement.If I'm wrong, I don't have a problem with changing my stance.

i'm not refuting it, it's just not relevant to the conversation at hand.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

the raiders should start praying. he's the only player i would take in the first other than an o or d lineman

If the Raiders take him, I simply would not touch him with a top 3 dynasty league rookie pick. That's how much I knock down players for FF purposes that the Raiders pick.

thanks for sharing!!!

Feel free to refute my statement.If I'm wrong, I don't have a problem with changing my stance.

i'm not refuting it, it's just not relevant to the conversation at hand.

It is plenty relevant to the conversation. Where a player lands has a lot to do with his fantasy value, and like most threads, this conversation has developed into a lot more than just whether Crabtree is coming out.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

I think it would be in the best interest for the Lions as well as the Raiders to trade down and hoard draft picks then spend a high one on one single player. Both have gaping holes in their offense and defense. I can see the Lions doing it because they really cannot get any worse and they'd get boo'd off the stage if they take another WR with their first pick, as for the Raiders... nope. Al Davis is salivating for Crabtree I'm assuming... he will get paid very good money, but his career will be in serious jeopardy depending on the contract that he signs. Al Davis will most certainly not pass up on a big name player that he thinks is the only link he's missing to a championship. The guy is delusional, and if Crabtree was smart... he'd pull an Eli Manning deal if this happens and refuse to play there.

I disagree with the Lions trading down. They need to draft Andre Smith and solidify the left tackle position for the next ten years. Moving on, perhaps the Raiders could trade down, but who is realistically going to move up to the #2 position to draft Crabtree? Unless he proves in the combine to be the type of can't-miss prospect that Megatron proved to be, I doubt he goes anywhere before Seattle.

the raiders are currently picking 5-7 depending on what happens this weekend. this is actually encouraging for raider fans. crabtree will probably be gone & i don't see any other shiny objects for al to focus on. so we might get a decent o or d lineman. but if we had the opportunity i'd still trade down.