To this point, I haven't had a reaction to this story, neither from a religious or historical perspective. But reading about this priest and his actions to risk his life to save what he believes in, coupled with his actions during the concert attack.....that did it.
My guess would have been Frogger.
very relieved to see after what looked to be a total destruction yesterday.Amazing how much of it survived.
My favorite part, the rose stained glass window, I thought was a gonner for sure.very relieved to see after what looked to be a total destruction yesterday.
This. 10000000000000%The Pope needs to pony up.
Donation pledges are now up to $675 million. The family that owns the French cosmetics company L'Oréal has pledged $226 million. American technology firm Apple has pledged an unspecified amount not included in the $675 million.Heard on WWL radio this morning that the two wealthiest families in France (?) have collectively pledged $300 million towards the rebuild.
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wow they should make a movie about that dude
At the risk of appearing cynical, you have to consider these pledges (especially the ones from huge individual and family donors) in the context of the ongoing debate over high marginal tax rates in France.Donation pledges are now up to $675 million. The family that owns the French cosmetics company L'Oréal has pledged $226 million. American technology firm Apple has pledged an unspecified amount not included in the $675 million.
The Church owes a huge debt to Paris, France and Notre Dame in particular.This. 10000000000000%
bigest corporation in the world gets to operate tax free. LOL giving one cent to them to rebuild this place. Guess what, they going to figure it out.
I was going to reply to you earlier about this - yes, that’s almost a billion in a day.Donation pledges are now up to $675 million. The family that owns the French cosmetics company L'Oréal has pledged $226 million. American technology firm Apple has pledged an unspecified amount not included in the $675 million.
Cliff Notes?The Church owes a huge debt to Paris, France and Notre Dame in particular.
I agree 100%. Took it to the bank.this is a tragedy but if there is any sort of a silver lining it is the countless people who have already pledged what is likely billions of dollars to repair the cathedral and the truth is that timber structures that are closing in on a thousand years old eventually need retrofitting or to simply be replaced so the cathedral will now get all the attention it needs and then some come out significantly stronger and safer on the back end and stand for another thousand years like i said its a tragedy but this is a good silver lining
My understanding is that there are actually 3 rose stained glass windows and all 3 of them came away unbroken. Incredible.My favorite part, the rose stained glass window, I thought was a gonner for sure.
Macron will be done before thenMacron says it will be done in 5 years.
Seems unreal.My understanding is that there are actually 3 rose stained glass windows and all 3 of them came away unbroken. Incredible.
The water had to go somewhere. Down is the usual place.Where are you seeing this? None of the images ive seen would suggest a major water incursion.
It's a working church. Many of the objects are in use or on display. Also, fireproof safes aren't always waterproof.So, was the Crown of Thorns (and other historical artifacts of extreme importance) not in a fireproof safe or similar? I mean I have one for birth certificates and other documents, wouldn't all of these artifacts have some type of protection for events like this? It's just sitting in a gold box, which any viewer of GOT will tell you can melt pretty easily?
Haven't seen any media expressing any concerns about water damage. It seems like they didn't even use much because the weight of the water was a risk.Mrs. Rannous said:The water had to go somewhere. Down is the usual place.
It is not like they have carpet or wood in their floors or foundation. Stone and concrete and tile flooring. Water would not be an issue for anything at the ground level. Most of it just ended up in the Seine River.Haven't seen any media expressing any concerns about water damage. It seems like they didn't even use much because the weight of the water was a risk.
Mine is both. Just saying things can be "on display" and still protected from situations like this. Take the Declaration of Independence (and other documents) at the National Archives here.Mrs. Rannous said:It's a working church. Many of the objects are in use or on display. Also, fireproof safes aren't always waterproof.
Their crap they have on diplay is a bunch of rubbish that they pass off as relics. It's the architecture, sculpture, and engineering that make up the style and decor that is the main monument here.Mine is both. Just saying things can be "on display" and still protected from situations like this. Take the Declaration of Independence (and other documents) at the National Archives here.
We were initially talking about the Crown of Thorns here (among other things). I wouldn't describe that as "rubbish". Agreed that there are other things here that make it a monument, but it also is quite literally a museum.Their crap they have on diplay is a bunch of rubbish that they pass off as relics. It's the architecture, sculpture, and engineering that make up the style and decor that is the main monument here.
I would believe he rose from the dead before that was his crown of thorns.Jesus' crown of thorns? Do people believe this, or is it one of those wink wink relics?
Man, they really build those structures to last. Pretty incredible engineering, especially for the day.The General said:
Alien technology :tinhat:Man, they really build those structures to last. Pretty incredible engineering, especially for the day.
NPR had segment with a reporter who was in Paris to cover this. She told a story about a Muslim immigrant who was her taxi driver that day who talked very passionately about the church and it's importance to him as someone who is not Christian but an adopted Parisian and citizen of the world. I'm paraphrasing but it was very touching.SaintsInDome2006 said:It's odd that something so horrible could be so relieving with the sunrise. This morning despite a hollowed out shell people were actually happy that it was recoverable.
I personally had this awful feeling yesterday that this was some harbinger or metaphor writ very large about the state of western civilization, democracy, humanism, all that. But what we see about humanity is that we are at our best when things are at the worst. We saw heroes, real life heroes, emerge from all this.
I guess my other thought was seeing how religion can matter in a positive way. Please I'm not saying 'something' here, I'm say that France is statistically one of the most secular, agnostic and even atheistic in Europe. Church attendance has been down, the percentages saying they have belief in God is down, membership in the Church is down, etc. - And yet the reaction in Paris itself was heartbreaking, moving. Parisians singing hymns in the street, and others just weeping at what is essentially an icon and treasure box of more religious icons. But when you see the art in France's churches you see they were sources of community, even neighborhood pride, and the art and treasures within told the struggle with time, pestilence, invasion, wars, despotism, oppression, dreadful hopelessness, and also prayers said in tears, crying mothers and families wrapped in hope. It's all there, and in times like these the bonds of humanity to each other and itself over time become clear. You can include God in that or not, it's there, and France showed its soul I think.
Anyway, out of all that horror I thought I'd just remember the first time I saw Notre Dame. I was 26 and pretty much at the peak of whatever it is you want to peak at. All cylinders were clicking. I was alone, with little money, didn't know a cluck of French, and had taken the train in from Lyon. Landed at the Gare de Lyon, got a room for the night at some hotel nearby picked from the guidebook, parked ye olde maroon backpack, and hit the rue. I might have walked 4-5 miles, going completely the wrong way, then making the quai, and then seeing the Lady rise up in the distance, like a sunrise, with the sunset. It felt like I had crossed some bridge in life, and ultimately I would, to the Cathedral itself. I know millions have shared that moment, and somehow its irreplaceable and impervious to any fire.
It would be nice if we cold build roads and bridges that held up that well.Man, they really build those structures to last. Pretty incredible engineering, especially for the day.
They used as much water as they could. The communications director for the cathedral mentioned the water below the main floor today.Haven't seen any media expressing any concerns about water damage. It seems like they didn't even use much because the weight of the water was a risk.
It will take more to rebuild than you realise. Those walls have lost a lot of the support they had from being tied to the roof and vault. The vault was not made to support that weight and could still collapse, as could some of the exterior walls. And it's not going to be easy to replace the main timbers of the roof, even if they can find a suitable material.When I first heard that it was on fire, my first thought was, "Isn't it made of stone?" Then the videos and pictures came out and I thought, "Holy crap! It's crumbling to the ground."
But yesterday, I saw a couple videos posted on Imgur from inside the church and it didn't look bad at all. And that's because my first assumption was fairly accurate. Now, I've never been, so I can't say what it looked like before in there, but it doesn't seem like it would take much to rebuild what was damaged. I think in my head, I was picturing it to look like the church that Ross and Emily got married in, in Friends.
i’ve seen the flint water crisis being brought up constantly in connection to notre dame. i think people and the internet have time to be outraged about everything. i don’t know enough about either to say what people are or are not doing.Sorry if this was already discussed but I’ve seen some tweets that really got me thinking. People weren’t in a rush to donate to rebuild the churches in LA until the ND fire. We don’t seem to concerned that we are destroying rain forests at a staggering rate either. How and why do we decide to care so deeply about?
It’s worth thinking about in my opinion.i’ve seen the flint water crisis being brought up constantly in connection to notre dame. i think people and the internet have time to be outraged about everything. i don’t know enough about either to say what people are or are not doing.
but what are we thinking about? is flint being raised to make this a black white thing? i mean, they don’t seem related. it seems flint has gotten money and has been mismanaged. notre dame doesn’t seem to be funded by the government or an entity. i have no idea about this faux outrage.....honest. i mean, it’s even two different countries. is it that the wh pledged to “help”? heck, along of things are wrong in this country, so singling out flint water just shukes me.It’s worth thinking about in my opinion.
I didn’t bring up the Flint situation but it fits. How and why do people choose to focus their money and sympathies? Why did the government and billionaires jump up to donate to Paris? It’s a philosophical question because there are distasters happening all the time. I’m not making it about race, just curious.but what are we thinking about? is flint being raised to make this a black white thing? i mean, they don’t seem related. it seems flint has gotten money and has been mismanaged. notre dame doesn’t seem to be funded by the government or an entity. i have no idea about this faux outrage.....honest. i mean, it’s even two different countries. is it that the wh pledged to “help”? heck, along of things are wrong in this country, so singling out flint water just shukes me.