NYC Shooting: Gunman may have had a grievance with the NFL (1 Viewer)

[Ministry of Pain]

Thoughts and Prayers to the victims and their loved ones, tragedy all the way around

NYC gunman appeared to have grievance against NFL, went to wrong elevator bank in deadly rampage, mayor says

The gunman who killed four people, including an NYPD officer, reportedly had a grievance against the NFL and blamed football for issues with CTE.

www.foxnews.com

Apparently this individual may have been suffering from CTE even though he isn't even 30 years old
He went up the wrong set of elevators, the NFL has offices in that building
I thought I read this individual worked as a private investigator out of Vegas so he traveled to NYC and targeted this specific building

-I'm guessing NYC will launch a slew of new security measures in some of these buildings that we've not seen thus far
What scares me is the picture of hm walking up tot he building in broad daylight with his massive weapon hanging off his shoulder...what if there were 5-10 more just like him following him into the building
It would seem like a decent size group armed to the tooth can just waltz in and take control

-I also found it interesting that police used the cameras in the building to quickly see the exact path this individual took and were able to quickly end the search, the gunman ultimately committed suicide, yes/no?
There was a suicide note left behind so I assume he ended his life.

 

[TLEF316]

Not really sure what can be done from a security standpoint. It's midtown Manhattan. There's gonna be people walking right up to buildings.

My office is 4 blocks down. We have to swipe past a security gate to get to the elevators (could easily be bypassed by a guy with a gun. No idea if any of the lobby security is carrying) take one elevator up to the "club level" swipe again to get on a 2nd elevator and then swap a 3rd time to get into an office space. Guy with a gun but no security badge wouldn't be able to move the 2nd elevator on his own. He'd need to make someone do it

 

[Joe Bryant]

Tragic.

345 Park Ave is one of the most prestigious business addresses in the world. Blackstone and KPMG also have significant presence there in addition to the NFL.

I would assume there is a lot of security. I wonder if there's more on the security part.

 

[nirad3]

NFL Radio confirmed that the shooter had a note on his person that he was targeting the NFL offices. Apparently something about their policies on CTE.

 

[Major]

Tragic.

345 Park Place is one of the most prestigious business addresses in the world. Black Rock and KPMG also have significant presence there in addition to the NFL.

I would assume there is a lot of security. I wonder if there's more on the security part.

Slight correction for our Tennessee brethren - Park Place is in Brooklyn. Park Ave is what you're referring to but to your point, so many important businesses up and down that section of Park.

 

[TLEF316]

It's also Blackstone in the building, not BlackRock.

2 different groups of VERY well paid financial people

I work on their insurance program. One of their managing partners was a victim last night

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Not really sure what can be done from a security standpoint. It's midtown Manhattan. There's gonna be people walking right up to buildings.

My office is 4 blocks down. We have to swipe past a security gate to get to the elevators (could easily be bypassed by a guy with a gun. No idea if any of the lobby security is carrying) take one elevator up to the "club level" swipe again to get on a 2nd elevator and then swap a 3rd time to get into an office space. Guy with a gun but no security badge wouldn't be able to move the 2nd elevator on his own. He'd need to make someone do it

What if security started before you could even get to the front door? I'm not saying that's doable or even something people want to see

-I truly appreciate YOU posting in here, you would be someone I want to hear from about this. You have posted many times about your daily commute into this area of city, I read them all
You may not believe this but some of those posts triggered me to want to go back and experience NYC again
I visited NYC over St Patty's Day, had not been there in perhaps 8-10 years and I was blown away in a very positive way. Mrs and I had an excellent time, I would encourage others to ignore a lot of the negativity you see on TV and go experience it first hand for yourself, it's such an amazing place. The people could not have been nicer to us but we're always respectful as guests.

I would not have started the thread but I jumped on the NFL angle and actually thought they arrested this man until I saw he left a suicide note behind
Nothing but nice things to say about NYC from my time visiting, I hope people don't let this incident impede any travel plans there they may have.
I also wanted everyone that lives up there to know we understand NYC is a target and that includes the citizens unfortunately

Thank You

 

[TLEF316]

Not really sure what can be done from a security standpoint. It's midtown Manhattan. There's gonna be people walking right up to buildings.

My office is 4 blocks down. We have to swipe past a security gate to get to the elevators (could easily be bypassed by a guy with a gun. No idea if any of the lobby security is carrying) take one elevator up to the "club level" swipe again to get on a 2nd elevator and then swap a 3rd time to get into an office space. Guy with a gun but no security badge wouldn't be able to move the 2nd elevator on his own. He'd need to make someone do it

What if security started before you could even get to the front door? I'm not saying that's doable or even something people want to see

-I truly appreciate YOU posting in here, you would be someone I want to hear from about this. You have posted many times about your daily commute into this area of city, I read them all
You may not believe this but some of those posts triggered me to want to go back and experience NYC again
I visited NYC over St Patty's Day, had not been there in perhaps 8-10 years and I was blown away in a very positive way. Mrs and I had an excellent time, I would encourage others to ignore a lot of the negativity you see on TV and go experience it first hand for yourself, it's such an amazing place. The people could not have been nicer to us but we're always respectful as guests.

I would not have started the thread but I jumped on the NFL angle and actually thought they arrested this man until I saw he left a suicide note behind
Nothing but nice things to say about NYC from my time visiting, I hope people don't let this incident impede any travel plans there they may have.
I also wanted everyone that lives up there to know we understand NYC is a target and that includes the citizens unfortunately

Thank You

Not a problem. I'm only in the city once or twice a week these days but we recently moved over to this area (was previously by Bryant park)

The health insurance CEO murder was like 4 blocks in the other direction from my office. Good times.

I just don't see what else can be done. The public is gonna walk right up to these buildings. Most of them have retail on the ground level.

I personally rarely feel unsafe in NY. But I am basically only exposed to 3 or 4 of the busiest subway stations (always lots of cops around). Other than the occasional off the wall homeless person, it's just very uneventful 99% of the time.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

If someone can post just the photo of the gunman walking into this building, it's absolutely chilling to see
I would post it but most of them are attached to news networks that want to stir up a debate of one kind or another

-It's disturbing and I don't have any answers so don't ask me, I just know how I feel when I see the photo
Obviously I want to reach thru the photo and stop this guy but that's a fantasy

My next thought is there are many people in society right now mulling things in their heads like this individual and that's where I feel people should focus
He was suffering immense mental issues and I just wish someone that cared about him could have stopped him and gotten him some help so he didn't feel the need to take his own life and as many as he could on his way out.

This person knew they were never walking back out of this building and that's what makes that photo so chilling, the gunman did not care if they saw him coming in broad daylight, it was a suicide mission and he doesn't even hide the massive weapon he's got over his shoulder

Unfortunately there will be more of these.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Tragic.

345 Park Place is one of the most prestigious business addresses in the world. Black Rock and KPMG also have significant presence there in addition to the NFL.

I would assume there is a lot of security. I wonder if there's more on the security part.

Slight correction for our Tennessee brethren - Park Place is in Brooklyn. Park Ave is what you're referring to but to your point, so many important businesses up and down that section of Park.

Yes. Meant Park Ave of course. I live in TN, but have been to Manhattan many times. Thanks.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Have a best friend at Morgan Stanley who has a good friend who's an executive at Blackstone. Fortunately was not in the office yesterday. Sad times.

 

[Nick Vermeil]

Not really sure what can be done from a security standpoint. It's midtown Manhattan. There's gonna be people walking right up to buildings.

My office is 4 blocks down. We have to swipe past a security gate to get to the elevators (could easily be bypassed by a guy with a gun. No idea if any of the lobby security is carrying) take one elevator up to the "club level" swipe again to get on a 2nd elevator and then swap a 3rd time to get into an office space. Guy with a gun but no security badge wouldn't be able to move the 2nd elevator on his own. He'd need to make someone do it

I was one block away enroute to Grand Central at the exact time this went down. Just another day in midtown.

Our building sent out reminders of our active shooter emergency action plan. To summarize, not much you can do.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I have the photo I want to encourage folks to look at
Thanks to NYC local affiliate ABC, I feel comfortable posting this link

4 killed, including off-duty officer, in Midtown office shooting; suspected gunman dead by suicide

A 27-year-old man wearing body armor and carrying an M4 assault rifle shot and killed four people, including an off-duty police officer working security in a Midtown Manhattan office building, officials said during a press conference Monday evening.

abc7ny.com

If you scroll down just a bit you can see the photo, just chilling.
No fear factor at all about walking thru the front doors of that building

 

[menobrown]

@JeffDarlington
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NYC Mayor Eric Adams says the gunman who killed multiple people at 345 Park Avenue was targeting the NFL headquarters but took the wrong elevator. He went to the 33rd floor, while the league offices occupy several lower floors in the same building.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

@JeffDarlington
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NYC Mayor Eric Adams says the gunman who killed multiple people at 345 Park Avenue was targeting the NFL headquarters but took the wrong elevator. He went to the 33rd floor, while the league offices occupy several lower floors in the same building.

Someone on TV asked if he cased the place first before entering, doesn't sound like he actually knew where he was going once he entered the building
Has anyone revealed which NFL Execs were in the building at the time?

 

[FiredMartz]

I don't see how he could have cased it without a security badge and sounds like there was a cop in the lobby all the time

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I don't see how he could have cased it without a security badge and sounds like there was a cop in the lobby all the time

Off Duty police officer, I assume he was hired security
Lost his life in that lobby, very sad

 

[Max Power]

On the CTE front, I do appreciate the moves the league has made to reduce big hits. I'd guess high school and college are doing more damage to young men than the NFL. Those guys may have limited resources to deal with the trauma.

 

[El Floppo]

scanning the headlines about this, it feels like the dialogue has shifted almost immediately into CTE instead of making this guy a monster. I think back to Luigi and the vitriol that kicked up and it feels different on the headlines... and even in here. dunno... just occurred to me.

 

[Max Power]

scanning the headlines about this, it feels like the dialogue has shifted almost immediately into CTE instead of making this guy a monster. I think back to Luigi and the vitriol that kicked up and it feels different on the headlines... and even in here. dunno... just occurred to me.

I still think the guy is a monster and I'm not a fan of people self diagnosing CTE. The CTE angle interests me because I played tackle football for 11 years. I've had my bell rung many times over the years and I worry about long term effects.

It feels like there is some communal sympathy for CTE. A lot of kids/parents didn't understand the risks well enough in the 80/90s/00s. Regardless, the guy was mentally unwell and CTE isn't an excuse.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Actual headline I saw this morning: "Prayers Pouring In For Longtime NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell"

A short piece about this shooting with no new news. We're living in the worst timeline for news and journalism.

 

[Max Power]

ESPN Story was the first one I read with actual details of the event.

Shooter targeted NFL HQ, claimed to have CTE

A gunman who killed four people at a Manhattan office building was trying to target the headquarters of the NFL but took the wrong elevator.

www.espn.com

 

[Jayrod]

On the CTE front, I do appreciate the moves the league has made to reduce big hits. I'd guess high school and college are doing more damage to young men than the NFL. Those guys may have limited resources to deal with the trauma.

In High School, it is really on the coaches, schools & parents to monitor and control. Practices can be a bigger part of this than the games, although the hits in HS games can be pretty violent, especially as you get to the bigger schools. The rules are there to protect QB's & WR's, but the rest of the players are susceptible to a lot of hard hits to the head that are still legal; especially running backs and defensive players.

In college, the NCAA rules have made it a priority and officials are trained to penalize the dangerous head contact in games as much as possible and I think they have to because the coaches & schools would be a problem if it was up to them to monitor and control. Practices are also more controlled in the NCAA environment than in High School. Plus, of course, college players are bigger, stronger and faster across the board so there is more risk there as well. But even down to the D2 level, there are professional training staffs that handle all head injuries.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

On the CTE front, I do appreciate the moves the league has made to reduce big hits. I'd guess high school and college are doing more damage to young men than the NFL. Those guys may have limited resources to deal with the trauma.

In High School, it is really on the coaches, schools & parents to monitor and control. Practices can be a bigger part of this than the games, although the hits in HS games can be pretty violent, especially as you get to the bigger schools. The rules are there to protect QB's & WR's, but the rest of the players are susceptible to a lot of hard hits to the head that are still legal; especially running backs and defensive players.

In college, the NCAA rules have made it a priority and officials are trained to penalize the dangerous head contact in games as much as possible and I think they have to because the coaches & schools would be a problem if it was up to them to monitor and control. Practices are also more controlled in the NCAA environment than in High School. Plus, of course, college players are bigger, stronger and faster across the board so there is more risk there as well. But even down to the D2 level, there are professional training staffs that handle all head injuries.

My biggest concern for high school kids are when regular Joe’s face off with future NFL talent. The size and speed disparity is unlike anything you have ever witnessed unless you have seen these guys up close. Back when we played we all had enormous pads and dudes today wear virtually none.

 

[GroveDiesel]

On the CTE front, I do appreciate the moves the league has made to reduce big hits. I'd guess high school and college are doing more damage to young men than the NFL. Those guys may have limited resources to deal with the trauma.

In High School, it is really on the coaches, schools & parents to monitor and control. Practices can be a bigger part of this than the games, although the hits in HS games can be pretty violent, especially as you get to the bigger schools. The rules are there to protect QB's & WR's, but the rest of the players are susceptible to a lot of hard hits to the head that are still legal; especially running backs and defensive players.

In college, the NCAA rules have made it a priority and officials are trained to penalize the dangerous head contact in games as much as possible and I think they have to because the coaches & schools would be a problem if it was up to them to monitor and control. Practices are also more controlled in the NCAA environment than in High School. Plus, of course, college players are bigger, stronger and faster across the board so there is more risk there as well. But even down to the D2 level, there are professional training staffs that handle all head injuries.

My biggest concern for high school kids are when regular Joe’s face off with future NFL talent. The size and speed disparity is unlike anything you have ever witnessed unless you have seen these guys up close. Back when we played we all had enormous pads and dudes today wear virtually none.

One of my favorite stories is how much friend’s dad tried out for football in HS and lasted all of one day. He got his butt whipped so bad by the guy they lined him up against that he said no thanks and quit.

The guy he got lined up against that day? Future HOFer Dan Dierdorf.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

On the CTE front, I do appreciate the moves the league has made to reduce big hits. I'd guess high school and college are doing more damage to young men than the NFL. Those guys may have limited resources to deal with the trauma.

In High School, it is really on the coaches, schools & parents to monitor and control. Practices can be a bigger part of this than the games, although the hits in HS games can be pretty violent, especially as you get to the bigger schools. The rules are there to protect QB's & WR's, but the rest of the players are susceptible to a lot of hard hits to the head that are still legal; especially running backs and defensive players.

In college, the NCAA rules have made it a priority and officials are trained to penalize the dangerous head contact in games as much as possible and I think they have to because the coaches & schools would be a problem if it was up to them to monitor and control. Practices are also more controlled in the NCAA environment than in High School. Plus, of course, college players are bigger, stronger and faster across the board so there is more risk there as well. But even down to the D2 level, there are professional training staffs that handle all head injuries.

My biggest concern for high school kids are when regular Joe’s face off with future NFL talent. The size and speed disparity is unlike anything you have ever witnessed unless you have seen these guys up close. Back when we played we all had enormous pads and dudes today wear virtually none.

One of my favorite stories is how much friend’s dad tried out for football in HS and lasted all of one day. He got his butt whipped so bad by the guy they lined him up against that he said no thanks and quit.

The guy he got lined up against that day? Future HOFer Dan Dierdorf.

As a 10th grader at Glenwood high school, Dierdorf stood 6-3 and weighed 250 pounds.

 

[Jayrod]

On the CTE front, I do appreciate the moves the league has made to reduce big hits. I'd guess high school and college are doing more damage to young men than the NFL. Those guys may have limited resources to deal with the trauma.

In High School, it is really on the coaches, schools & parents to monitor and control. Practices can be a bigger part of this than the games, although the hits in HS games can be pretty violent, especially as you get to the bigger schools. The rules are there to protect QB's & WR's, but the rest of the players are susceptible to a lot of hard hits to the head that are still legal; especially running backs and defensive players.

In college, the NCAA rules have made it a priority and officials are trained to penalize the dangerous head contact in games as much as possible and I think they have to because the coaches & schools would be a problem if it was up to them to monitor and control. Practices are also more controlled in the NCAA environment than in High School. Plus, of course, college players are bigger, stronger and faster across the board so there is more risk there as well. But even down to the D2 level, there are professional training staffs that handle all head injuries.

My biggest concern for high school kids are when regular Joe’s face off with future NFL talent. The size and speed disparity is unlike anything you have ever witnessed unless you have seen these guys up close. Back when we played we all had enormous pads and dudes today wear virtually none.

My son played scout team WR vs 2x D2 safeties and a future D1 corner. He only got laid out once he said, but the physical strength and speed differences were vast. Luckily my son has decent size so he wasn't outweighed at his position but his team also had the #1 OL in the 2026 class. Kid was 6'8" and 300 lbs as a Jr last year. He's up to 320 for his senior year. Dont know what DL and LB guys went against him in practice but that was a huge size mismatch no matter who it was.

Luckily, our coach was very cognizant about protecting his players in practices and the one time my kid got laid out, the safety got screamed at and had to run.