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**NYJets at Cleveland** (-6.5) (39.5) (1 Viewer)

As a Jets fan, my head tells me that by mid-way through the 2nd quarter....Garrett will have already planted Flacco at least twice to end Jets drives. The 2nd half will mostly be garbage time and the Browns will win like 27-13.

My heart tells me that the Jets coaches aren't completely incompetent and they'll realize that last week's game plan was a joke. They'll find a way to get G. Wilson more involved and keep Flacco a little better protected. They'll probably still lose, but at least the offense will look somewhat like an NFL team.

Either way, I do think Breece Hall breaks a couple of nice runs today.
 
Last week.
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Baker Mayfield reveals real feelings on playing Browns: Going to ‘f–k them up’
... Mayfield said, “I’m gonna f–k them up,” about facing the Browns in Week 1.

Panthers QB Baker Mayfield releases 'Off The Leash' T-shirts before revenge game against Browns
...Mayfield's first game with Carolina comes against his former team, and he is embracing the moment. Mayfield announced he is selling T-shirts that feature his face with a broken dog chain that advertise him as being "off the leash" with the Panthers.

After the game.
Myles Garrett: Baker Mayfield’s chatter ‘had us a bit off the leash’; greeted him after the victory over Panthers

This week.
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Did Joe Flacco guarantee a Jets win over the Browns?
... Joe Flacco is confident heading into Sunday's contest against the Cleveland Browns.

Flacco wasn't able to slay his former team last week, but reminded everyone this week that he basically owns the Browns. While Flacco didn't guarantee a win for the Jets this week, he came close.

‘Absolute problem’ Myles Garrett has chance to carve up Jets’ offense
...Right tackle Max Mitchell, a rookie fourth-round pick out of Louisiana who has been forced into the lineup because of injuries to Mekhi Becton and Duane Brown, potentially will be asked to slow Garrett for the showdown in Cleveland. The Jets are starting Mitchell and left tackle George Fant in a makeshift offensive line that did not impress in the season-opening loss to the Ravens.
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No reports of Flacco selling T-shirts.
 
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TLEF316 said:
As a Jets fan, my head tells me that by mid-way through the 2nd quarter....Garrett will have already planted Flacco at least twice to end Jets drives. The 2nd half will mostly be garbage time and the Browns will win like 27-13.

My heart tells me that the Jets coaches aren't completely incompetent and they'll realize that last week's game plan was a joke. They'll find a way to get G. Wilson more involved and keep Flacco a little better protected. They'll probably still lose, but at least the offense will look somewhat like an NFL team.

Either way, I do think Breece Hall breaks a couple of nice runs today.
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i see 29-4. have to assume a double digit loss. cleveland’s first home game will have them and fans pumped, jets will come out scared and tentative and the oline will be overwhelmed. they will be behind 14-0 early. then you figure out what real games are on to watch. couple of late jet safeties.
 
Baker played his Super Bowl last week,and lost. Jets seem to win they're not expected to,of course that's every week. Browns pressure will give Flacco fits:

Browns- 29
Jets- 13
 
I think the Jets will make this a closer game, perhaps the Browns pull away late but this should be closer than Vegas thinks, my opinion.
 
I think that TD to DPJ will be overturned.
Yep, overturned and was that TD to Amari Cooper on Jets rookie CB Sauce? If so, it would be the first ever charged to him in his entire college and NFL career.
 
Nick Chubb lost this game for the Browns. He goes down at the one, instead of scoring that 3rd TD, and the game is over, and they can run out the clock. Bad clock management.
 
lol. browns pulled a jets and the jets are thankful the browns jetted, otherwise the jets would begin looking like the browns……i think
 
Chubb falls down and does not score Browns win (Hunt does not go out of bounds with 2:02 left Browns win).

I don't know why the Browns didn't understand that you get a 1st down you run out the clock with under 2 mins left. Chubb scoring gave the Jets the chance to win.

YES I KNOW it was like 1% chance.........but guess what folks that 1% happened. It is 0% if Chubb lays down at the 1.
 
Bracie Smathers said:
Dez said:
Chubb falls down and does not score Browns win (Hunt does not go out of bounds with 2:02 left Browns win). ...
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Stop.
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Dawgs By Nature
@DawgsByNature

When you have to tell your offense to not score, bc your defense can’t stop JOE FLACCO with a 13 point lead in a minute… ITS NOT A CHUBB ISSUE. The lengths people are going to on this is bonkers...
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Stop what ? I said it to myself the moment he scored........Yes the odds of you losing are near 0 but they are zero if you fall down.

Yes the defense blew it yes they blew it not getting onside kick but I prefer wining 100% of time over 99% of the time and we allowed a 1% chance by not falling down.

It's just stupid not to understand that you fall down in that situation and you win the game. Know time and score.

We see plenty of guys fall down at the 1 and their teams ALL WON THE GAMES.

Saying "stop" tells me you have no understand of how end of games work and just because they should stopped them doesn't mean you give them a chance.

Learn time and score and stop telling others to "stop"

Win the game 100% if you fall down at the 1.

So you STOP how about that. STOP With your STOP when you don't understand game is over when you fall down.

SO YOU STOP
 
Exactly. Go down at the 1 and the game is over. OVER.

He didn't and look what happened.

Call me crazy, but I will take a 100% chance of winning over 99.99%, especially with the lesser number meaning a chance of players getting hurt on plays that wouldn't happen if Chubb does down.
 
Stop.
The Browns have surrendered the MOST POINTS in the AFC and the SECOND MOST in the NFL at this point in time.
Nick Chubb responsible?
 
Bracie Smathers said:
Ghost Rider said:
Bracie Smathers said:
Stop.
The Browns have surrendered the MOST POINTS in the AFC and the SECOND MOST in the NFL at this point in time.
Nick Chubb responsible?
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The game is over if Chubb goes down at the 1. Apologies if that simple fact is lost on you, but it's the way it is.
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So YOU ARE SAYING Nick Chubb lost the game, lol.
Boy, can't argue with logic like that.
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No, I said, "The game is over if Chubb goes down at the 1." It helps to read.
 
There is as great of a chance of a fumbled snap on a kneel down (still waiting for that one on the Browns bingo card) as there was the Jets winning because Chubb scored. A lot of blame for this choke job. Laughable to say the name Chubb though.
 
its crazy to me that a city that cant get a break like cle does things like sign deshaun happy ending watson its like they try to make people hate them take that to the bank brohans
 
www.espn.com

Jets stage improbable rally with Browns' help

The Jets capitalized on a series of Browns blunders Sunday, scoring two touchdowns in the final 82 seconds for a 31-30 victory.
www.espn.com www.espn.com

It was pure devastation for the Browns, who blew a chance to be 2-0 for the first time since 1993. The packed house went crazy when Chubb scored his third touchdown with 1:55 left, a 12-yard run to make it 30-17. However, he should have stopped short of the end zone. If he had done that, the Browns could have run out the clock because the Jets had no timeouts remaining.
 
Hoo boy. Jets Jets Jets!!!

Figured if the Browns hung thirty on the Jets, they'd win in a walk.

Nice work today by the skill players for the Jets. They looked surprisingly NFL-esque.

Bravo. Things might just be looking up and ticking up a notch.
 
Sorry, that's a football IQ thing. I remember (several years ago) when Peyton Manning had a chance to run in a TD but went down at the 1 to win the game. That's guaranteeing your team a win and knowing what you need.

Incidentally, I remember that play because it was the difference between one team winning the league and another...in a total points league. 1st place won the season-long contest by five points. 2nd place had Manning. He runs it in, he wins the league by a single point.

Back in the real world, Chubb should know better. If he doesn't, blame the coaches.
 
It is an IQ thing, that is for sure.
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Browns Defense, Special Teams Share Blame
Offensive standout performances against the New York Jets were ultimately rendered somewhat meaningless because of the defensive and special teams units for the Cleveland Browns.

Standouts​

Nick Chubb and the Offensive Line​

The Jets came in with a game plan designed to make Chubb earn every yard he got. If they were going to lose the game, it wasn't going to be as a result of Chubb. And threw quarters into the game, they were successful.

The fourth quarter, Chubb and the offensive line were able to find vulnerabilities in the defense and started imposing their will. After being held to 3.7 yards per carry on his first ten attempts in the first half, Chubb ran for 50 yards on seven carries in the fourth. He also three receptions including a 15-yard screen pass and scored both of the Browns fourth quarter touchdowns...

Duds​

Defense​

Special Teams​

 
Anyone pinning the loss on Chubb for scoring a TD with 1:55 left is an idiot. Coaching, Defense and Special Teams all take this loss squarely on the chin. Chubb could have sealed it yea but the odds of every other part of the team failing were so high, it wasn't even considered possible. That's a coaching issue all around.
 
Neil Beaufort Zod said:
Sorry, that's a football IQ thing. I remember (several years ago) when Peyton Manning had a chance to run in a TD but went down at the 1 to win the game. That's guaranteeing your team a win and knowing what you need.

Incidentally, I remember that play because it was the difference between one team winning the league and another...in a total points league. 1st place won the season-long contest by five points. 2nd place had Manning. He runs it in, he wins the league by a single point.

Back in the real world, Chubb should know better. If he doesn't, blame the coaches.
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If we are talking about probabilities, there would probably be about the same odds of losing the game due to fumbling a kneel down compared to what played out.

What are the chances we miss the XP, give up a long pass TD, lose the inside kick, give up a TD, get close to FG range only to have Brissett force it way down field rather than give your super kicker a chance at a long kick.........
Against the Jets.
 
Dr. Octopus said:
ghostguy123 said:
same odds of losing the game due to fumbling a kneel down compared to what played out.
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This is the second time some one said this. Has there ever been a fumble on a kneel down before? I can’t remember one.
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Has there ever been a defense that failed to cover a WR on an 88-yard TD from a QB of the ilk of Baker Mayfield then followed that up by not covering a wide-open WR on a 66-yard TD from a 37-year-old Joe Flacco in the final 2 minutes of the 4th quarter in back-to-back games to start a season in the history of the NFL?

When Chubb scored the win-rate probability was 99.93%.
Missing the extra point, giving up a quick TD, recovering an onside and THEN getting another quick TD and kicking the extra point was done with .07% probability.
Obviously, 100% Nick Chubb's fault. He missed the extra point, he didn't cover the WR, he didn't retrieve the on-side, he allowed another TD drive. All under 2 minutes with no timeouts left. He's an evil genius like that.
 
this was a heidi game. when hunt gets them to teh 10 at 2 mins and the jets with no timeouts left, you turn off the tv, cause no way can the browns lose. this was an epic parlay….you needed a TD, missed fg, allowing hyper fast score (which might have been the worst thing here), onsides kick, td, then having enough time for winning fg, turning teh ball over. i don’t think the browns ever recover and i can see them relocating again to baltimore, so baltimore gets 2 football teams.
 
Brutal loss.

Some perspective: From Week 9 of 2002 (the week after the Browns' collapse against the Bears) to Week 1 of the current season, teams had lost 2,229 consecutive games when trailing by at least 13 points in the final two minutes.

MMQBing
 
Neil Beaufort Zod said:
Sorry, that's a football IQ thing. I remember (several years ago) when Peyton Manning had a chance to run in a TD but went down at the 1 to win the game. That's guaranteeing your team a win and knowing what you need.

Incidentally, I remember that play because it was the difference between one team winning the league and another...in a total points league. 1st place won the season-long contest by five points. 2nd place had Manning. He runs it in, he wins the league by a single point.

Back in the real world, Chubb should know better. If he doesn't, blame the coaches.
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I can agree with this, but sometimes in live action it can be hard to turn "instinct" off. Instinct tells a RB if you have a shot at the endzone you take it. However, in this instance he should have stopped. I do think Cleveland hurt themselves not running Chubb more earlier in the quarter to run the clock down more.
 
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Tampa Bay

2-9 easily before Watson takes the controls. They could have a Top pick in the Draft.
I guess Houston has that pick, they might have another 2 Top 5-10 picks in the NFL.
 
Bracie Smathers said:
Dr. Octopus said:
ghostguy123 said:
same odds of losing the game due to fumbling a kneel down compared to what played out.
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This is the second time some one said this. Has there ever been a fumble on a kneel down before? I can’t remember one.
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Has there ever been a defense that failed to cover a WR on an 88-yard TD from a QB of the ilk of Baker Mayfield then followed that up by not covering a wide-open WR on a 66-yard TD from a 37-year-old Joe Flacco in the final 2 minutes of the 4th quarter in back-to-back games to start a season in the history of the NFL?

When Chubb scored the win-rate probability was 99.93%.
Missing the extra point, giving up a quick TD, recovering an onside and THEN getting another quick TD and kicking the extra point was done with .07% probability.
Obviously, 100% Nick Chubb's fault. He missed the extra point, he didn't cover the WR, he didn't retrieve the on-side, he allowed another TD drive. All under 2 minutes with no timeouts left. He's an evil genius like that.
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Both scenarios seem equally implausible so there is plenty of blame to go around. I just think, personally, I would rather feel like I have more control with my offense on the field and the ball in my team’s hands than in the hands of the other team.
 
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