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Obama: Worst President Ever? (1 Viewer)

Is Obama the worst president ever?

  • Yes

    Votes: 185 33.6%

  • No

    Votes: 365 66.4%
  • Total voters
    550
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flapgreen said:
Oh you got me now.  I don't have any balls.  Let me tuck tail and run away.   I could go in circles for days with the Obama supporters about what he has done and get absolutely nowhere.  Why would I even do that?  Just don't care to do the same thing and have the same discussions that have been had on here time and time again.  It goes nowhere.   I don't give 2 ####s if you don't think I have any balls or would go through those same discussions for you. 
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So nothing specific?  Got it.  

 
Apple Jack said:
Yeah, that was the Japanese military. Pearl Harbor was an attack on military assets. We dropped bombs on entire cities of civilians. Not remotely apples to apples.
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Japan was a brutal, racist emperor cult that killed 30 million people.

It may be pointless to try to establish which World War Two Axis aggressor, Germany or Japan, was the more brutal to the peoples it victimised. The Germans killed six million Jews and 20 million Russians; the Japanese slaughtered as many as 30 million Filipinos, Malays, Vietnamese, Cambodians, Indonesians and Burmese, at least 23 million of them ethnic Chinese. Both nations looted the countries they conquered on a monumental scale, though Japan plundered more, over a longer period, than the Nazis. Both conquerors enslaved millions and exploited them as forced labourers – and, in the case of the Japanese, as prostitutes for front-line troops. If you were a Nazi prisoner of war from Britain, America, Australia, New Zealand or Canada (but not Russia) you faced a 4 per cent chance of not surviving the war; the death rate for Allied POWs held by the Japanese was nearly 30 per cent.
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I have zero qualms about what we did to stop them.

 
Apple Jack said:
Yeah, that was the Japanese military. Pearl Harbor was an attack on military assets. We dropped bombs on entire cities of civilians. Not remotely apples to apples.
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Major attacks on civilian centers and civilians themselves was part and parcel of World War II and the era immediately preceding.  The Rape of Nanking, The Siege of Leningrad, the Blitz of London, the Fire Bombing of Dresden, the Battle of Berlin.  All sides had the blood of civilian attacks on their hands.   The only difference with the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagaski was the type of weaponry used, but it's been argued that more people were killed in both the Firebombing of Dresden and the Rape of Nanking.

 
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Gary Coal Man said:
Major attacks on civilian centers and civilians themselves was part and parcel of World War II and the era immediately preceding.  The Rape of Nanking, The Siege of Leningrad, the Blitz of London, the Fire Bombing of Dresden, the Battle of Berlin.  All sides had the blood of civilian attacks on their hands.   The only difference with the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagaski was the type of weaponry used, but far more people were killed in the Firebombing of Dresden.
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Yep, and really, all of those were war crimes

 
James Daulton said:
Yes indeed, trying to make sure that all citizens of the wealthiest, most advanced nation known to man have ready access to healthcare is a horrible legacy to leave.
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You mean health insurance not health care?  

And by access you mean if you have the funds to pay for 25% annual increases and ever increasing deductibles in the individual market?  And by all citizens, you mean all but 10.4% of the population that remains uninsured? 

 
James Daulton said:
Yes indeed, trying to make sure that all citizens of the wealthiest, most advanced nation known to man have ready access to healthcare is a horrible legacy to leave.
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The problem is they ALL have insurance they can't use because of the high deductibles and copays.  So while I know it's a favorite talking point of the left - "More people than ever have insurance now" - it's disingenuous to ignore all of the other factors that make it ####ty insurance for all but 5% of the population. 

Remember: this was supposed to be AFFORDABLE, hence, "The Affordable Care Act" (keyword: "affordable").  It's been a massive - and predicted - failure.

 
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James Daulton said:
Yes indeed, trying to make sure that all citizens of the wealthiest, most advanced nation known to man have ready access to healthcare is a horrible legacy to leave.
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It wasn't about healthcare, it was about control of you.  Control your healthcare=control you & your vote.   Don't you understand that before this abortion of a bill that nobody was denied healthcare?   This "thing" raised costs so much that we MAY have to depend on government.   Good luck with that.  Take a look at the ACA healthcare thread.   Should be an interesting take on the "facts" & not on personal ideology.  IMO

 
irishidiot said:
It wasn't about healthcare, it was about control of you.  Control your healthcare=control you & your vote.   Don't you understand that before this abortion of a bill that nobody was denied healthcare?   This "thing" raised costs so much that we MAY have to depend on government.   Good luck with that.  Take a look at the ACA healthcare thread.   Should be an interesting take on the "facts" & not on personal ideology.  IMO
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What in the hell are you talking about?

https://www.healthinsurance.org/blog/2015/08/19/why-pre-existing-conditions-mattered-to-millions/

The Congressional investigation was limited to four insurers (Aetna, Humana, UnitedHealthcare and WellPoint/Anthem) and covered only a three-year period: 2007-2009. It found that just those four companies had denied coverage to 651,000 people – one of every seven who applied – because of pre-existing conditions. It also found the rate of denials was increasing at the companies every year.


Pre-existing condition denials were on the rise


The investigators wrote this in a memo about their findings:

A year-by-year analysis shows a significant increase in the number of coverage denials each year. The insurance companies denied coverage to 172,400 people in 2007 and 221,400 people in 2008. By 2009, the number of individuals denied coverage rose to 257,100. Between 2007 and 2009, the number of people denied coverage for pre-existing conditions increased 49 percent. During the same period, applications for insurance coverage at the four companies increased by only 16 percent.
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cstu said:
What in the hell are you talking about?
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I know you have been in here before.   Due to musical & altered states involved, I'm going to let Mattyle answer.  You obviously don't pay for your monthly health insurance bills?   Just a guess.  Enlighten me.

 
flapgreen said:
Obama in Japan for 2 days on Memorial Day weekend and is talking about Trump?   Get a clue you idiot.  Has to make everything political. Grow a pair and quit being so scared of Trump.  You've already ruined the country with your 8 years.  Still trying to cause problems and divide the country even further during g your last few months.  The Great Divider of America.  Worst President ever.  Worthless,  evil,  vile human  being. 
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The worthless, evil, vile human being in action!

 
It looks like the gals over at Soapboxie settled this debate last fall:

The Verdict is in: Guess Who's The Worst President in US History?

Coming in as the worst president in the last 50 years.......................drum roll.....................................I said drum roll..............................

65% George W. Bush

[SIZE=13.8px]And what did they think of Obama?[/SIZE]

[SIZE=13.8px]19% Barack Obama[/SIZE]

[SIZE=13.8px]This was strong enough to mark him as the second worst president in the last 50 years. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=13.8px]I don't know anything about Soapboxie or who was doing the voting, but from the comments it sounds like a more feminine version of the FFA.[/SIZE]

 
I know it's just semantics but there's a difference between being denied healthcare and being denied insurance.  So what Irish said was technically correct.

 
I can't imagine what it must feel like to be a Republican these days. Your current presidential nominee is making your party look like a laughing stock, your recent vice presidential nominee is an ongoing embarrassment to America (along with being a pill-popping whackjob), your most hated enemy is about to become President Of The United States, and the current President is enjoying a 51% approval rating (something that neither Reagan, Bush 2 or Nixon could pull off at this stage of their second terms).

If Republicans were a sports city, they'd be Cleveland.

 
[scooter] said:
I can't imagine what it must feel like to be a Republican these days. Your current presidential nominee is making your party look like a laughing stock, your recent vice presidential nominee is an ongoing embarrassment to America (along with being a pill-popping whackjob), your most hated enemy is about to become President Of The United States, and the current President is enjoying a 51% approval rating (something that neither Reagan, Bush 2 or Nixon could pull off at this stage of their second terms).

If Republicans were a sports city, they'd be Cleveland.
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Let's not forget another big one -- at a time when the demographics are turning against them, their solution is to declare political war on minorities and millennials, the soon-to-be biggest voting blocs in the country. Latinos becoming 25% of the electorate? Let's campaign that they can't be trusted to be judges and threaten to oust their families from the country! That'll win them over for sure!

 
James Daulton said:
Yes indeed, trying to make sure that all citizens of the wealthiest, most advanced nation known to man have ready access to healthcare is a horrible legacy to leave.
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We are in a worse place than before he took office because he "tried". He "tried" but failed miserably. George Bush "tried" to spread democracy to the Middle East. How did that workout? 

 
Hang 10 said:
We are in a worse place than before he took office because he "tried". He "tried" but failed miserably. George Bush "tried" to spread democracy to the Middle East. How did that workout? 
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Actually we're not considering we were almost in a depression when he took over, but why let facts get in the way of a good rant. 

 
Hang 10 said:
We are in a worse place than before he took office because he "tried". He "tried" but failed miserably. George Bush "tried" to spread democracy to the Middle East. How did that workout? 
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How are we in a "worse" place now?  Everyone seems to forget that before the ACA, health insurance premiums were skyrocketing and pre-existing conditions could preclude a person from being covered.

 
James Daulton said:
How are we in a "worse" place now?  Everyone seems to forget that before the ACA, health insurance premiums were skyrocketing and pre-existing conditions could preclude a person from being covered.
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Take this to the ACA thread.  If you have an open mind your question is answered there.    Yes, we are in a worse place now.

 
James Daulton said:
How are we in a "worse" place now?  Everyone seems to forget that before the ACA, health insurance premiums were skyrocketing and pre-existing conditions could preclude a person from being covered.
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Go check the Obamacare thread. The individual market has been destroyed. When I said it was worse now, I was being kind.

No one forgets that premiums were going up year to year but NOW they are "skyrocketing". Remember when were supposed to save $2500 a year? ACA was sold on lies and is a giant turd. And I don't give a #### if was implemented with the best of intentions. 

 
Are we still recovering?  Geez,  now if we don't recover,  Obama and his worshippers can just blame it in someone else,  like the Republicans.  Anyone but him.  He's just trying to help his fellow Americans.  Give him a break. 

 
tommyGunZ said:
Disaster
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You keep spouting this nonsense as if this is the only stat that matters. It isn't.  But that's all you do.  You ignore the massive cost to consumers in deductibles, premiums and copays - stats that actually matter to American families and dwarf the uninsured stat - to spout WH talking points.

That low number of uninsured doesn't mean #### when

  • No one can afford to use the insurance they got because of the skyrocketing deductibles and copays
  • We were told it would SAVE the average American family $2500 a year and it's not even close.  It's actually costing a majority of those families MORE.
  • Most everyone was NOT able to keep their doctor OR their plan
  • The insurance people got in Obamacare is more expensive and even ####tier than the insurance they used to have pre-Obamacare
So you go on with this facade that low numbers of uninsured are the only stat.  The rest of us in the REAL WORLD understand what's really happening and won't be unquestioning lapdogs to the agenda like you.

 
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Statcruncher said:
Will probably get me banned, but you are a ####### head burying stupid ### mother####er. Some day I hope you will remove your head from your ### and realize what a ####### ####### you and your political views have been. May be my first timeout, but well worth it to point out what a hopeless pie in the sky ####### shill you've been. Hopefully some day you grow up and realize nothing is free. Your utopia doesn't exist without ####### actual people trying to live their life. #### off.
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I can't even tell who this rant is directed toward.  

 
Statcruncher said:
Right at you, you pie in the sky the world should be wonderful for everyone mother####er. Your views are so ####ed I have a hard time believing you've completed middle school and have ever actually held a job.
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Mature post.  Do you have a blog I can subscribe to? 

 
Fourth Islamic terrorist attack on US soil under his watch (not including Benghazi, Chattanooga, and other attacks with only 1-2 victims)

Worst terrorist attack since 9/11.

Deadliest shooting in US history. 

50 dead Hispanics and/or gays.

You could tell from his tone during the address that he realizes what a failure he has been in keeping Americans safe. 

 
Statcruncher said:
Right at you, you pie in the sky the world should be wonderful for everyone mother####er. Your views are so ####ed I have a hard time believing you've completed middle school and have ever actually held a job.
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Think of it this way: TGunz, belongs to the  "Scientology of the far left" (so to speak).  You aren't going to get him to change his mind.  You aren't going to get him to think critically.  You aren't going to get him to listen to other viewpoints.  You aren't going to get him to understand anyone else's position but those given to him by his leaders.  You aren't going to get him to realize that his positions don't make sense and simply cannot and do not work in the real world.  He lives in the Utopia that is created by his masters' talking points and he exists in no other reality.  He simply would not be able to function if he had to live in truth and facts.

I understand your frustration, but most everyone here knows he's a shill for the far left and most, if not all, of his posts aren't based in reality, fact or truth.

The only thing I don't understand is why he doesn't move to a place more to his views, like Venezuala or Cuba or any other number of failed Socialist states.

 
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MaxThreshold said:
Think of it this way: TGunz, belongs to the  "Scientology of the far left" (so to speak).  You aren't going to get him to change his mind.  You aren't going to get him to think critically.  You aren't going to get him to listen to other viewpoints.  You aren't going to get him to understand anyone else's position but those given to him by his leaders.  You aren't going to get him to realize that his positions don't make sense and simply cannot and do not work in the real world.  He lives in the Utopia that is created by his masters' talking points and he exists in no other reality.  He simply would not be able to function if he had to live in truth and facts.

I understand your frustration, but most everyone here knows he's a shill for the far left and most, if not all, of his posts aren't based in reality, fact or truth.

The only thing I don't understand is why he doesn't move to a place more to his views, like Venezuala or Cuba or any other number of failed Socialist states.
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LOL.  And yet in the Bernie thread, I was often criticized by not being a real liberal.  

 
Dignan_ said:
Fourth Islamic terrorist attack on US soil under his watch (not including Benghazi, Chattanooga, and other attacks with only 1-2 victims)

Worst terrorist attack since 9/11.

Deadliest shooting in US history. 

50 dead Hispanics and/or gays.

You could tell from his tone during the address that he realizes what a failure he has been in keeping Americans safe. 
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He had a somber tone because it was a somber moment. The fact that you read something else into it says all we need to know about the 33% who voted "Yes" to this poll.

 
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