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10s of millions baby boomers just rolled in their graves (from the future).Wow. Who would have thought that an ill-defined, leaderless Woodstock sequel would fall out of the consciousness as soon as the next big media event came along???
Now who are we going to make fun of?
Not sure how true that is. Lets say at the congressional level, its 1 million... no more or less, including personal finances spent.I assume you'd also implement term limits since a hard cap would be a HUGE benefit to incumbents?That wouldn't just be corporate. Make a hard cap that includes it all, individual, corporate, and personal.That would limit corporate money, not get it out entirely.Can it be as simple as a hard cap on campaign finances and expenditures for a candidate?I don't know how to get money completely out of politics, but I know where to start....is the premise that all lawmakers are bought and paid for? If so, a full-on rebellion is the only fix, no?What do we burn first, the banks or the courthouses?That's a big part of the problem.... the congresswoman is bought and paid for. Money has superseded Votes.It just may take "getting the baton" to effect the needed change to America away from corporate-fascism.If she was home writing to her congresswoman, attending various open forums, doing something remotely constructive instead, she doesn't get the baton.
You wouldn't "get it out entirely", they could still run a campaign on donations, but you would crush the influence purchasing.
Nothing wrong with that. That have made an incredibly strong statement.And they may pick it back up at a later date, and it may continue to grow on its own during that time.
yep- that cities need to beef up their ordinances and permitting regulations regarding their parks and open space to prevent this from happening again.. what a waste of money
I love the last one "Honk if you're in debt"--like it was forced upon them. "I enjoyed the stuff I bought on credit while living above my means, but now that it's gone screw you for wanting me to pay it back!".
Occupy >>>>>>>>>>>> AssembleIt is about time they cleaned up that cesspool.
Obviously. Some mighty disturbing tactics here.
Yes, occupying and trashing an area that does not belong to you is a disturbing tactic.
Brilliant idea having your pregant wife live among the disease and rodents in the 1st place not to mention the crime and potential riots.... I'm sure most doctors would highly recommend that.
"And we asked you nicely to leave a couple of times, but you didn't"
You are so misinformed and willfully ignorant that it hurts my brain."They're beating people in there," Matt Baldwin said. "My wife's pregnant. I had to get her out of there before they beat her and killed my baby ... we made it clear we were nonviolent."
Not anymore.
Update?
"Cleared and restored [without any type of shelter]"
What is your point?
Judge Orders City to Allow Occupy Wall Street Back into Zuccotti ParkNovember 15, 2011 8:43am
Trying to determine if they need to allow their gear (tents et al) back in.
Yeah. Pretty much what I have thought of your POV on all this...But, I said all along that I have sympathy and agree with a lot of what I think OWS stands for.....It's the method of OCCUPYING and setting up a dangerous disease infested situation while draining resources and hurting businesses and people's quality of life who live in the area that I disagree with most... I thought all along this was a stupid way of making a point and all the stragglers and hanger-ons would only harm their mission.Again, so far I'm most happy that we didn't see riots and a lot of injuries out of this.You are so misinformed and willfully ignorant that it hurts my brain."They're beating people in there," Matt Baldwin said. "My wife's pregnant. I had to get her out of there before they beat her and killed my baby ... we made it clear we were nonviolent."
If THAT hurts your brain then IMO, you're going to hurt a lot in this life.
I was leaving my office at about 12:30 am last night, which is on Maiden lane and saw an army of cops going up that street to the park. Kind of crazy as for at least 10 minutes vans with cops in riot gear were going up the street followed by a ton of paddy wagons. Thought about going to watch the action because that was the only possible destination but wanted some sleep after a nice 16 hour day at work.
Sounds like a great place to bring the pregnant wife.You are so misinformed and willfully ignorant that it hurts my brain."They're beating people in there," Matt Baldwin said. "My wife's pregnant. I had to get her out of there before they beat her and killed my baby ... we made it clear we were nonviolent."
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/15/updates-on-the-clearing-of-zuccotti-park/?hp
I think it's as safe as any other group of people. There are scum out there. When they rape or otherwise hurt someone, they should be caught and punished. Those concerns do not override peoples' rights to assembly and free speech.
You mean the right to peaceably assemble. That one?
He would prefer individuals' safety be taken care of by something like the Patriot Act, rather than handled by the group. Conservatives are pro-Police-State.
So are far too many Democrats.
It was posted before and it still sucks. It's just a guy talking. Maybe he should try to incorporate some humor, some actual photos of the events, or some quotes from people there.Is there any reason why people should listen to "Bill Whittle" ?
Can we get an updated thread title please?Change to:"This thing seems to be going away"Not anymore.
Handled by the group?BTW, conservatives aren't pro-police state, they are pro-law and order which sometimes requires police involvement.
Are your concerns really about people's right to free speech and assemble OR the rights for a group to Live in and take over a Park?
Drove by the spot in Phoenix today. There was one sign propped against an empty lawn chair. Two cops were in the area looking bored as can be. I'm not making this up.
My concerns are genuine. Not sure why you set up the OR statement. Occupying this "park" is the method these people have chosen to be heard. I'm not doubting that NYC still approves permits and such. The fact that they require permits is a huge problem. Permits are about as clear of a restriction of free speech as I can think of and should be abolished immediately. As should most restrictions placed on protests.
You're a child.
Here's the thing--the people cracking down on this protest aren't the wealthy or corporate America. The mayors of Atlanta and Oakland are both Democrats. Bloomberg is Independent (though he is wealthy). The police are unionized 99%ers. The fact that the crackdowns aren't coming from those that the protesters directly oppose, but those that they tend to affiliate with or allege to represent says a lot about the nature of the protests.
I thought the bolded was an interesting point. I kind of agree with it. Why do you need a permit to assemble on public property?
Planning? Administration? Fairness? I would like to protest the NBA lockout this weekend at Zuccotti Park, however with the Occupiers there, my message was not being heard. Now I will have my time to have my voice heard in the location of my choosing.
Not what the Supreme Court has said. Of course I do think many times these permit requirements are over done to limit speech but at some point you are going to have Time, Place and Manner restrictions.
1) If you're the Westboro Baptist Church so the popo can plan to protect your 1st amendment rights instead of letting someone kill you.2) To be able to accommodate multiple groups requesting the same time/place.
