Off-Season Dynasty Buys/Sells--2023 starts on Page 3 (1 Viewer)

[robb]

I agree.  Time to move Pittman.  I think his ceiling is WR3 range.  They are a dime a dozen.  His value is high and people are buying.  Cash in

Recently sold Pittman and $15 BB (from $200) for 2023 1st and Chubba Hubbard (I own CMC)

Would you trade Pittman & R. Penny for D. Hopkins, Arizona WR? Dynasty league, 1/2 PPR

 

[Dacomish]

As a Saints fan who’s followed the situation closer than most, a lot of this is completely blown out of proportion and some of this isn’t even true.  I guess we’ll see what happens. 

Huh? I literally went back today and found articles from 2020 on the practice fight incident, and subsequent team discipline. 

Then went and looked at the articles from last summer talking about his injury management and the issues with the team concerning it. 

Are you saying that didn't happen? 

The rest of my comments were my own opinion....

 

[King of the Jungle]

I agree.  Time to move Pittman.  I think his ceiling is WR3 range.  They are a dime a dozen.  His value is high and people are buying.  Cash in

Recently sold Pittman and $15 BB (from $200) for 2023 1st and Chubba Hubbard (I own CMC)

I think Pittmans value WAS high around his mid season stretch, I think that swiftly deflated with how he finished the second half of the year. Your almost better off waiting for another stretch next year otherwise I don’t think he is as coveted as you think (although all leagues are different). He is tied to Wentz right now as well which puts a limit on him already.

 

[finfansteve]

It's not just the injury that would concern me....as much as the off-field issues: people seem to forget he decked a teammate, got suspended a game for it by the saints, and more recently Payton was pissed at him over his management of the latest injury I remember reading something about him delaying surgery until training camp despite the team asking him to do it in like Feb. Not to mention how many Twitter tirades has he gone into over various things. I kinda feel like he has burned too many bridges there in NO and he may never play for them again, and get traded. What he can bring to the table trade wise with his Diva persona is going to be interesting in that case. 

I sold him mid-season 2020 for AJ Brown and a 1st and never felt better. 

I literally did this same exact trade last year and used 1.08 to move up to 1.03 and snag jamar chase. I’m thrilled to death to be rid of Thomas and his head case antics and didn’t look back even when I first approved the trade. No second thoughts at all. It was more like “sayonara MT”

 

[zamboni]

I think Pittmans value WAS high around his mid season stretch, I think that swiftly deflated with how he finished the second half of the year. Your almost better off waiting for another stretch next year otherwise I don’t think he is as coveted as you think (although all leagues are different). He is tied to Wentz right now as well which puts a limit on him already.

That’s definitely a concern going forward - Pittman has emerged as the alpha receiver, but it’s become a very run-heavy offense that goes through Taylor. Things can always change next year if the defense falls off, but not sure why the offensive philosophy would be different when you have Taylor. 

 

[jm192]

Would you trade Pittman & R. Penny for D. Hopkins, Arizona WR? Dynasty league, 1/2 PPR

I would not.  

I think Hopkins is an asset that you wanted to be out of last year.  If you own him, you should be shopping him.  If you don't, I wouldn't go acquiring him.  

I'm not a believer in Penny.  He's a sell.  But I would have a hard time doing Pittman alone for Hopkins.  I'm not opposed to the idea of Pittman being a sell.  But I don't think getting a 30 year old Hopkins coming off a bad year and injury is selling high.  

 

[robb]

I would not.  

I think Hopkins is an asset that you wanted to be out of last year.  If you own him, you should be shopping him.  If you don't, I wouldn't go acquiring him.  

I'm not a believer in Penny.  He's a sell.  But I would have a hard time doing Pittman alone for Hopkins.  I'm not opposed to the idea of Pittman being a sell.  But I don't think getting a 30 year old Hopkins coming off a bad year and injury is selling high.  

Thanks! I will take your advice and keep my players.

 

[DropKick]

Hopkins……obviously depends on the other owner but if he’s a reasonable dude and has a rebuilding team, like the guy in my league, I think he’s a get. Still think he has a couple good years left in him so I’ll offer a future 1st and a sweetener. Think the value I get out of Hopkins will far exceed the 1st. A number of Hopkins owners will probably still want two 1sts so at that price I’d pass pretty easily. 

Shocked at this valuation.  Age and injury are usually taboo in dynasty.

You may be right that Hopkins can bounce back.  Care to quantify the year and absolute pick you would surrender?

 

[DropKick]

He hasn’t been riddled with injuries.  He’s had 1 injury and was rushed back way too soon by the Saints which led to him needing surgery and in the games he played, he put up better than average numbers.  Most think he’s done due to the same thought process you have which is exaggerated on his injury.  Being out of football for a year doesn’t make someone forget how to play.  That’s why he’s a huge buy low for me.  His last full season he broke records. 

No, but it does make you a year older.  And probably less conditioned and out of game shape.   More importantly, I wonder where his head is at as he seems to be leaning toward diva.  Also, it isn't the same offense anymore and, to coin a phrase, Drew Brees isn't walking through the door.

That being said, I would be ecstatic to get him for Parker.  So, take a shot if the price is right.  But, to me, there are enough concerns to drive down the price..  

 

[fruity pebbles]

Shocked at this valuation.  Age and injury are usually taboo in dynasty.

You may be right that Hopkins can bounce back.  Care to quantify the year and absolute pick you would surrender?

id give up my future 1st, probably 1.12-1.16 and a good defensive player.

 

[Birdie048]

Would you trade Pittman & R. Penny for D. Hopkins, Arizona WR? Dynasty league, 1/2 PPR

If I had a “Win Now” roster, I would accept but I would be influenced by RB situation and Penny’s projections. Not sure how Seattle RB will pan out. 

 

[beef]

Could be bad if Watson goes to Miami  

Agreed.  Not sure South Beach and the night club scene in Miami is a good fit for his coercive and lewd behavior.

 

[JohnnyU]

Would you trade Pittman & R. Penny for D. Hopkins, Arizona WR? Dynasty league, 1/2 PPR

In a move to win one of my devy leagues (finished 2nd) I traded Gainwell and George Pickens for DeAndre Hopkins and I'm already regretting it.

 

[jm192]

id give up my future 1st, probably 1.12-1.16 and a good defensive player.

Is it a 16 team league?

You're basically saying you'd give up a 2nd round pick in 12 team leagues with 1.12-1.16.  Which I think is probably not a bad acquisition at that point.  But I don't think most owners are going for that.  

As far as good IDP go--how is the IDP Scoring?  Our league does 1.5 points per tackle/1.5 points per assists, bigger scoring for bigger plays.  Good LB's score up there with some of the WR1's.  

So I guess what level of defensive player are you moving?

 

[fruity pebbles]

Is it a 16 team league?

You're basically saying you'd give up a 2nd round pick in 12 team leagues with 1.12-1.16.  Which I think is probably not a bad acquisition at that point.  But I don't think most owners are going for that.  

As far as good IDP go--how is the IDP Scoring?  Our league does 1.5 points per tackle/1.5 points per assists, bigger scoring for bigger plays.  Good LB's score up there with some of the WR1's.  

So I guess what level of defensive player are you moving?

def scoring probably about the same. Assists half as much as you. Big plays score high. TJ Watt would have been the #10 WR. I’d add a 2nd tier LBer type. The future 1st is probably a playoff pick but no guarantees. In terms of a 12 team league the value is probably around a mid/late 1st. 

 

[sushinsky4tsar]

I wouldn’t be shocked if Jaleon Darden becomes more valuable than Tyler Johnson.

Darden was a rookie sleeper I liked and he's definitely on my watch list.   With that said, I feel like if he's going to be a 5'8" WR that matters to fantasy, that we should be expecting TB to find some spots for him to make a big play or two in the offense during the playoffs given what has happened to their WR core.   Doesn't mean he's done if he remains quiet during the playoffs for his rookie year, but it probably isn't a fantastic sign that the skill set is so great that it will get a 5'8" WR into a big time role in the future.   Regardless, I'm a little bit higher on the possibility of Tyler Johnson having the breakout game in the playoffs.   But realistically, the correct answer is probably neither in my 24-man x 12-team.  

 

[Tanner9919]

Hunter Renfrow.This is no mirage, he's a stud player who is about as unstoppable as Wes Welker was. 

Jaylen Waddle - what a rookie season with QB in flux, injured, replaced, back in the lineup, and he still gets what 103 recs? very good season. New QB, new HC/OC will work wonders

James Robinson - fairly decent season considering the mess. new coaching staff , high draft picks to load up on offensive linemen. 

Javonte Williams - Gordon is likely gone. Do they get Rodgers? Williams was impressive this year imagine next season with 300 carries.

Schultz - ascending TE who is only getting better.

T Lawrence

If I'm the Vikings I'm going after Rodgers. the roster is loaded with talent. can he pull a Favre in Minnesota drama? this would mean you have to acquire J. Jefferson at all costs. 

I'm selling Nick Chubb. can get a lot of capital by trading him away. he's somewhat consistent, but he's missed games, for what ever reason, too many times the past few years. he's great when he plays he's a top 10 RB right now. get what you can for him.

Selling Dak Prescott. can't win with this guy. 140/1 for 3 weeks, then 355, 4TD, 1 rush TD the next two weeks. roller coaster ride. find the Dallas homer and sell sell sell

Buy Tim Patrick - seems like the most consistent Denver WR.

buy Carson Wentz - had a good season despite the head coach . Reich is no good.

buy Alexander Mattison -  he's always a sneeze away from top 5 performance on a nearly weekly basis. Cook is fragile. Does Minnesota trade him ? there has to be a few NFL teams interested. anyways, in 2 years he'll be a starter somewhere. Think Michael Turner as he sat as a backup for a few years before becoming a stud starting RB.

Elijah Moore can be a beast in this league. some bright spots for him this season. Jets showed some improvement offensively as the season wore on.

Zach Wilson 

 

[Hoh]

I don’t think Amon-Ra’s value will ever be higher.  But of course I won’t sell because I get too attached to guys who out perform their draft position.

 

[jm192]

2023 Edition!

Who ya buyin, who ya selling?

Buys:
Dobbins. Surprisingly efficient despite clearly not being 100%. Not sure we're going to see a huge discount. But he's someone that should be playing a lot better in 2023.

Aiyuk: Currently set to be a free agent after the 23 season. Quietly had 1,000 and 8 despite a plethora of options.

Godwin: 100 catches and 1,000 yards in 15 games coming off a torn ACL. I don't think he'll be "cheap" per se, but don't think he's viewed as the WR1 he was a couple of years ago

2022 rookies. The shine is off the diamond. Prices are going to be lower for a lot of those guys.





Sells:
Aaron Jones: He just turned 28. Still performing at an elite level. Dillon has been a bit of a factor. Rodgers may be gone after this season. Last off-season was probably better, but may as well see what people are willing to move.

Tyreke Hill: He turns 29 in a month. He's probably got a couple of elite seasons left in him. He's coming off career highs in catches and yards.

Barkley: Turns 26 soon. Had the big rebound season. I'm not scared he's going to fall off a cliff, but with his value where it is at age 26, I'd like to see what I can turn him into.
Chubb: Just turned 27. Zero Rushing scores over his final 6 games. Maybe, probably even, a fluke. But Watson is going to steal some TD's with his legs.

 

[sushinsky4tsar]

I might check to see what offers are out there for Waddle or Higgins. I can afford to sell one. I didn't think they would get to their current lofty heights in the rankings, and I'm not sure there's much room to improve upon it.

 

[Gally]

Buys:

• Justin Herbert: I think this year was his floor for sure. Early injury that I think affected him all year. I may even overpay a bit to get him but definitely full price.
• Khalil Herbert: Maybe I just like the name Herbert. I do think Herbert (RB) will ascend to more of the lead guy and with Fields there he should bet plenty of work
• Cam Akers: Polarizing for sure but finished strong and another year removed from injury and I think he will continue to rise
• Miles Sanders: I think he goes somewhere and gets used a lot.
• Breece Hall: If you can pry him away from his owner do so.
• Isaiah Pacheco: Gaining trust and always gives a spark. I think he will be a TD machine next year.
• Terry McLaurin: QB has to get better and he wasn't terrible this year. May be able to get him cheap.
• Chris Godwin: Same as jm192. I think he will be a PPR machine next year.
• Devonta Smith: AJ Brown gets the headlines but I think Smith will feast and improve on this year.

Sells:

• Geno Smith: This year was his high point. Kind of faded as the year went on and I see that continuing
• Jared Goff: I think he is fine but I think you can get more return than he will give you for next year. This is more of a market sell as I think he will still be fine but if you have the right buyer it would be worth selling
• Javonte Williams: Reports are that the knee was really bad. I see a Dobbins like year for 2023 where he struggles to come back and look right and it ends up a lost year.
• Josh Jacobs: won't repeat the performance. Still ok but if you can get top 5 RB return take it.
• Jamaal Williams: TD regression is on the way. Not sure how good of a return you can get as many probably feel this way but if you can get near full value do it.
• Christian Kirk: I think the whole offense takes another step but that likely means Kirk loses some. I think he will still be a solid starter but if you can get top dollar for him I would do it.
• Mike Evans: QB questions and he is not a target hog. I think he falls from grace.
• Evan Engram: Do you believe? I don't.
• Most TE's: There will be a reshuffle and there will be availability. Sell if you get anything of true value.

 

[Gally]

JuJu was on a one year deal, and being out all season might be able to be picked up cheap

JuJu was out all year?

That was from 2022

 

[Amused to Death]

JuJu was on a one year deal, and being out all season might be able to be picked up cheap

JuJu was out all year?

That was from 2022

Yeah I appreciate the thread but I read through all of the first page thinking it was current.

 

[MTskibum]

Courtland Sutton. He should be better 2 years removed from the acl tear and owners may be ready to give up on him.

Bad call, thankfully i only got him in 1 league

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I kinda like Cedrick Wilson as a sneaky buy-low ASAP. Gallup torn ACL, AC supposedly going to be let go this offseason, that leaves Lamb/Wilson as the 1-2 receivers for what should still be a very good offense.

suggest acquiring him now, because when AC is gone, his price might go up.

I’d recently asked for a price check on Ced in the dynasty value topic, but didn’t get a response. I’m looking to sell after the NFL draft/before or during my league’s rookie draft, as he’s 26 & I’m building for 2023. I may just hold if I can’t get value for him.

regardless, I feel like there’s opportunity here.

Great post, putting in a waiver claim as we speak. Thanks!

And then he went to Miami and got buried in a deep hole.

Hope it didn’t cost you too much of your FAAB.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

In the aging vet buy category, I think Melvin Gordon has shown enough that he either stays in Denver or latches on as committee back somewhere else in 2022. He can be had for peanuts.

It pains me to write this, but I think Elijah Moore may be a sell. Its not that he isn't talented, he certainly is and I love him. But how much stock can you put into Zach Wilson becoming a capable QB? I have to guess NYJ will give Wilson plenty of time to develop meaning Moore may not have a competent QB for 2-3 years. I wouldn't sell for cheap, but KeepTradeCut currently values him at a early to mid 2022 first. I'd smash accept that.

Zach Wilson looked pretty good the last couple of games. I put quite a bit of stock into his becoming a capable QB. Jets OL needs work, and their run game was a mess. Alpha WRs don't necessarily need a great QB for good fantasy numbers. See: DJ Moore early this season putting up huge numbers with San Darnold at QB. And Darnold was outright terrible.

I'd strongly advise holding on Moore. Your post makes me think he might be a buy-low if owners are feeling that same vibe. I'd happily buy at a discount if so.

Zach Wilson has not panned out as I’d hoped, obviously.

 

[wgoldsph]

I hate when people bump a thread from a year ago rather than starting a new one. Read through an entire page like "what is everyone smoking" before realizing the dates.

Come on guise...

 

[Amused to Death]

I hate when people bump a thread from a year ago rather than starting a new one. Read through an entire page like "what is everyone smoking" before realizing the dates.

Come on guise...

Or change the thread title to say what page this offseason begins on.

 

[steelcityman]

Those who consider Godwin a buy, do you still feel that way with Brady gone for sure? Will Tampa go rebuild mode or get Carr or Jim G or maybe ARod?
Tampa has some nice mid/upper aged players they could fire sale and get a bunch of picks to do a quick rebuild, if they choose that route.

 

[Mister CIA]

I hate when people bump a thread from a year ago rather than starting a new one. Read through an entire page like "what is everyone smoking" before realizing the dates.

Come on guise...

Yeah, I read that Gallup had an ACL and I was like, WHAT?!

 

[Mister CIA]

I believe Diontae Johnson will fully bloom in 2023.

 

[JohnnyU]

I think the following players are a sell in dynasty. Not because they will fall off the cliff in 2023, but because you want to maximize value while you can.

Tyreek Hill
Saquon Barkley
Keenan Allen if not already too late
Alvin Kamara if not already too late
D’Andre Swift
Stefan Diggs
Deebo Samuel
Courtland Sutton if not already too late
Michael Thomas if not several years too late
Antonio Gibson if not already too late
Dak Prescott
Cooper Kupp
Tyler Lockett if not already too late
Amari Cooper
Darren Waller
Joe Mixon
Mike Evans
Christian Kirk
Elijah Moore still believers out there
Josh Jacobs
Tua if not already too late
Dalvin Cook
Michael Gallup
D J Moore
Calvin Ridley while he has an uptick with Lawrence
Deshaun Watson
Devin Singletary
Nick Chubb
James Conner
Zeke Elliott
Austin Ekeler
Derrick Henry
De’Andre Hopkins if not already too late
Leonard Fournette already too late
Chase Claypool if not already too late
George Kittle