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*** OFFICIAL *** 13/14 Off-Season Dynasty Trade Thread (2 Viewers)
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
Yeah give me the 9 over Olsen. Although they really don't have anyone else to throw to down there. I could see Olsen's volume increasing.
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Footballguy
This could be an epic facepalm in another year or two.
14 team PPR devy league. Start 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR/TE, 2 FLEX, 1 DEF. .5/1/1.5 PPR for RB/WR/TE.
Gave:
WR Kendall Wright
Got:
RB Toby Gerhart
2016 2nd Round Rookie Pick
I think the format devalues a player like Wright quite a bit, as we only start 3-4 WR/TE per franchise and the 1.5 PPR for TE bumps a lot of guys like Olsen, Bennett, and Pitta into solid weekly starter status while marginalizing solid WR3 types. Wright averaged about 2 ppg more than the lowest WR/TE4 last season, but about 7 ppg lower than the best WR/TE1 options. In other words, he doesn't make a huge difference.
My team was pretty weak at RB, with Mathews/Greene/Pierce/Stewart as my best short-term players there. I'm reasonably strong at WR/TE with Demaryius, Eifert, Blackmon, Lee, Hunter, and Holmes. I also have the 1.03 rookie pick and the 1.05 dev pick, which will most likely go towards replenishing the WR/TE group rather than taking more flyers on mediocre backs. Evans, Benjamin, Ebron, Moncrief, Robinson, Beckham, and Cooks are all out there in addition to Mason, Hyde, Sankey, Williams, and Hill.
Even though I'm getting killed here on market value, I just felt like it would be a lot easier to replace Wright's ppg than to find a potential top 20 starter at RB for the next 1-3 seasons.
14 team PPR devy league. Start 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR/TE, 2 FLEX, 1 DEF. .5/1/1.5 PPR for RB/WR/TE.
Gave:
WR Kendall Wright
Got:
RB Toby Gerhart
2016 2nd Round Rookie Pick
I think the format devalues a player like Wright quite a bit, as we only start 3-4 WR/TE per franchise and the 1.5 PPR for TE bumps a lot of guys like Olsen, Bennett, and Pitta into solid weekly starter status while marginalizing solid WR3 types. Wright averaged about 2 ppg more than the lowest WR/TE4 last season, but about 7 ppg lower than the best WR/TE1 options. In other words, he doesn't make a huge difference.
My team was pretty weak at RB, with Mathews/Greene/Pierce/Stewart as my best short-term players there. I'm reasonably strong at WR/TE with Demaryius, Eifert, Blackmon, Lee, Hunter, and Holmes. I also have the 1.03 rookie pick and the 1.05 dev pick, which will most likely go towards replenishing the WR/TE group rather than taking more flyers on mediocre backs. Evans, Benjamin, Ebron, Moncrief, Robinson, Beckham, and Cooks are all out there in addition to Mason, Hyde, Sankey, Williams, and Hill.
Even though I'm getting killed here on market value, I just felt like it would be a lot easier to replace Wright's ppg than to find a potential top 20 starter at RB for the next 1-3 seasons.
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Phenix
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- Team A gave up Patterson, Cordarrelle MIN WR; $100.00 in blind bidding (Given $200 per team per year to spend, do carry over)
Team B gave up Maclin, Jeremy PHI WR; Draft Pick 1.08
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
1/2/3/1+flex PPR -- not involved
TY Hilton for 1.06 and 3.06
TY Hilton for 1.06 and 3.06
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I'd rather the picks than Hilton. By a lot.
False Start
Footballguy
Picks. I want no part of a guy who played 15 of 16 games as a starting WR and had 0 TDs.
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False Start
Footballguy
I think Patterson may explode in Turners offense, Gordon 2.0. I like Maclin in a bounce back year but give me Patterson here. I wish I could trade blind bidding in one of my leagues.
False Start
Footballguy
While I'm not a fan of Nicks there are a lot of people going for a piece of the pie in Indy. Nicks, Wayne, Hilton, Allen, Fleener and whoever is catching the ball out of the backfield. I like Hilton but give me picks in this situation.
MattFancy
Footballguy
I dunno, I really like getting Torrey and only moving down 2 spots. Smith had a good season last year and now with a healthy Pitta and Steve Smith teams won't be able to focus as much attention to him. I like Tate, but also have Megatron and felt he was expendable.
My current crop of WRs (we can start up to 5): Megatron, Roddy, DJax, TSmith, Hopkins, Randle, Marvin Jones.
False Start
Footballguy
Well agree if you have Calvin you do not need Tate and you got a good return, but in a vacuum I will take the Tate side due to him getting about 130 targets and having a better catch pct. with a better QB than Smith. Smith caught 65 of 137 passes, yuck. I still like him for yards and TDs but in PPR catches rule the roost.
MattFancy
Footballguy
Good points. I have Smith a little higher in my personal rankings. Tate could be in for a nice PPR season, but Calvin just seems to get so many targets that it's hard to see where Tate will get a bunch. Could be wrong but who knows.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I can see quite a bit of potential for targets as the #2 WR on a team that throws a ton, and a QB who really doesnt target the TE a lot.
Their #2 WR hasnt produced lately because they haven't had a good one.
False Start
Footballguy
Durham and Burleson last year totalled 130 targets combined, I suspect that wouldn't be a reach for a better WR like Tate. Burleson before he got hurt had 6, 7 and 6 receptions weeks 1-3 before he got hurt and the targets were 6, 8 and 9 respectively. In his first game back from injury he had 7 catches on 10 targets in week 12 before his legs started to not catch up with him. I do not expect Tate to get unconditioned like Burleson did at any point. Durham from weeks 5-16 had 8 games of 6 or more targets.
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
You meant to say you have Rodgers so Foles was expendable...............right??
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MattFancy
Footballguy
I was trying like hell to move Foles. I'm not thrilled to move Rodgers, but considering how hard it has been to move either of these guys, getting 2 1sts felt like I should throw a party. QBs hardly ever move in this league. 12-team 1 QB.
False Start
Footballguy
Yeah that has to be a typo. I wouldnt give up Rodgers for every first round pick and I wouldnt give up Foles for that trade eother. Bad trade my man, bad bad trade.
MattFancy
Footballguy
Like I said, not happy about it, but my team needs a youth movement and I wasn't getting any younger holding onto Foles and Rodgers. Tried to move Foles first but wasn't even getting 2nds for him in offers.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Use hyperbole much? It's a fact that QB is deeper than ever right now, and in <16 team leagues that start one, there is NO market for them. None. 2 1sts would be great return for Nick Foles. I don't love moving Rodgers for this, but it's not terrible at all IMO.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
I agree. Likely the low end of his market, but, as you said, in established 12 team leagues--low market is all you're going to get for a QB.
MattFancy
Footballguy
Believe me, I know I probably didn't get his full value, but in a 12-team, start 1QB league, it's really tough to get anything of value for a QB. I was trying to move Foles like crazy since mid-season and no one was biting. Figured I'd be able to get more for Rodgers so went that route.
Do I think I got a great deal? Probably not the best. But considering how hard it is to move a QB and my other needs, it just made sense for me. I need WR help badly and I'm hoping I can still get a good WR at 1.5 or try and flip that for an already established WR. My top WRs are Fitz, TSmith and Boldin. Having 2 top 10 QBs wasn't helping.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
I've had Rodgers on the block for a while, and the best I've been offered is a single 2015 1st (likely late, too). I'm holding at those prices, obviously, but those are also strong contending teams. If I needed to shake things up, I'd be good with 2 1sts in all likelihood.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
If the 2015 1st is high, you did great. I probably would have held and/or sold Foles for peanuts instead, but it was a decent return all things considered. I've been offering WRs like Allen and Crabtree for QBs in 1QB PPR leagues and not getting any response. Teams are always eager to sell their backup, but never their starter.
False Start
Footballguy
Not hyperbole. Moving the #1 overall QB for a scrub player and 1.5 and a first next year is nothing. You dont have to move players just because. What happens if Foles doesn't live up to last year now that there is tape on him and a whole offseason to prepare?
Rodgers deserves a Kaepernick and two firsts type deal. Not Jarius Wright. Settling for scraps for the best QB in the NFL dynasty fantasy wise is not a good idea.
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I will take Patterson herePhenix said:
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
You obviously don't understand the current market for QBs. And if Foles busts, just go out and get a Romo, Rivers, Brady, Cutler, etc for pennies on the dollar. Saying you wouldn't trade Rodgers for every 1st round pick is absurd, considering you'd take Kaepernick and two 1sts -- guess Kaep is worth about 10 1sts by himself then, huh? gllll w/ that...False Start said:
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I will still take TorreyMattFancy said:
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msudaisy26
Footballguy
MattFancy said:
@ the wouldn't give up Rodgers for every pick in the 1st. There isn't a player in the league I would keep over having every 1st round pick in any draft class.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Concept Coop
Footballguy
I'm thinking/hoping he meant any pick.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I'm usually one that harps on QBs having very little value in 12 team, start 1 QB leagues, but I think the top couple of elite guys are an exception. That Rodgers trade seems to me like trading for the sake of trading. If you really, really believe in Foles then I guess that's one thing, but I would have held out and waited for a better offer during the year. Even with the abundance of QB options there always ends up being a team or two during the year that feels like an upgrade from Cutler to Rodgers could put them over the top. I think you rushed into it.
MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
That would be a huge mistake, considering your league probably has a max roster limit to which you couldn't hold all those picks. You likely would end up dropping some picks or useful existing veteran players on your team.MattFancy said:
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
MattFancy said:
There isn't a player currently playing that I wouldn't trade for half of the 1st round in a typical class. An entire 1st round is going to be more valuable than any player except the all time greats -- like if you were able to get rookie Jerry Rice or rookie Emmitt Smith, while also knowing ahead of time that that's what you're getting.
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