*** OFFICIAL *** 13/14 Off-Season Dynasty Trade Thread (2 Viewers)

[msudaisy26]

Give

Mark Ingram (2 Years)

Get

Vance McDonald (1 Year)

Marlon Brown (2 Years)

With the contracts I would probably take Ingram for the next 2 years, but understand making the move

I agree with this. Odds are you aren't going to get anything out of McDonald this year. It is basically Ingram vs Brown. I will take Ingram.

 

[Steelers4Life]

12tm 0.5ppr

Ingram for Michael

Good god!!! How is Ingram's value going up?

Same thing Michael did to see his rise.

Michael.

Has michaels value really gone up from where he was being picked last year? If so not that much.

We have a few years to see that ingram isn't special.

Actually, what we've seen is that Ingram looks good running the ball but has been on an offense that doesn't consistently do that. Situation is important, and he can't do the things for that offense that Sproles can, and he's not as versatile as Thomas. New Orleans' offense isn't a fit for him, but if he moves on at some point soon I won't be surprised if he's better than Michaels.

 

[Concept Coop]

Has michaels value really gone up from where he was being picked last year? If so not that much.We have a few years to see that ingram isn't special.

Michael's value is up big time, in terms of startup value. He's an RB2 now, and certainly wasn't in that range last year. He was going after Marcus Lattimore, and often in the 2nd round.

I think we have seen that Ingram isn't special, but there are maybe 5-8 special backs in the league. Ingram showed some very nice flashes this year, in my opinion. I certainly don't think he'll ever be Ray Rice, which I thought was very possible a few years ago. But I do think he could be a solid 250/1000/8 & 45/350/2 guy, if given the chance. I don't think he's any less talented than Zac Stacy or Le'Veon Bell, for example. Granted, I value those 2 a lot more, due to situation.

 

[thriftyrocker]

Michael's value is up big time, in terms of startup value. He's an RB2 now, and certainly wasn't in that range last year. He was going after Marcus Lattimore, and often in the 2nd round.

August startups he was a top 30 RB. He's top 20 in ADP right now but that's without rookies involved and before any big FA moves. He benefited some from hype, but also due to other guys falling off. I'd contend a lot of the rise happened last offseason when people re-evaluated the situation.

 

[ghostguy123]

Has michaels value really gone up from where he was being picked last year? If so not that much.We have a few years to see that ingram isn't special.

Michael's value is up big time, in terms of startup value. He's an RB2 now, and certainly wasn't in that range last year. He was going after Marcus Lattimore, and often in the 2nd round.

I think we have seen that Ingram isn't special, but there are maybe 5-8 special backs in the league. Ingram showed some very nice flashes this year, in my opinion. I certainly don't think he'll ever be Ray Rice, which I thought was very possible a few years ago. But I do think he could be a solid 250/1000/8 & 45/350/2 guy, if given the chance. I don't think he's any less talented than Zac Stacy or Le'Veon Bell, for example. Granted, I value those 2 a lot more, due to situation.

Based on deals I have seen and what people say Michael seems to be valued around a late 1st or early 2nd round rookie pick in trade. That's close to where he was going last year in drafts.

yeah there are a FEW people would prefer Michael over a top 4-5 rookie pick this year, but there were last year also (not as many but some).

In FFPC drafts in May he was an early 2nd in most I believe. In the drafts I did in August he went pick 12 and also early 2nd.

I don't understand how that is really much lower than where his value is right now.

 

[Concept Coop]

Based on deals I have seen and what people say Michael seems to be valued around a late 1st or early 2nd round rookie pick in trade. That's close to where he was going last year in drafts.

I don't understand how that is really much lower than where his value is right now.

These aren't the deals I am seeing for him. A well respected poster, in one of my leagues, sent a mid first, mid devy+ for him. He went for Eifert + in another. The guy who traded Eifert drafted him at 1.08, over Michael, who went 1.13. He was drafted in the 6th of a startup mock I did, one pick behind Carlos Hyde, and one pick ahead of Ray Rice. 4 rounds ahead of Bernard Peirce.

He wasn't going that high last year.

 

[Turbo Punch]

Gave Vereen & V Davis

for

Cameron, Alex Smith & 3.10 rookie pick

 

[Spin]

10 team start 1qb/2rb/3wr/1te/1flex(any)/idp ppr

I gave:

Julius Thomas

He gave:

Christine Michael

Marcus Lattimore

I'm a big Thomas fan, partially because I've held him for 3 years now and he helped me to the championship this year, but I like Michael/Lattimore both quite a bit. I still have Vernon / Reed / Wright at TE so it felt like a good move, although as I type this I'm starting to 2nd guess myself.

Other RBs I have rostered are Charles, Ray Rice, Pierce, Jstew, Mike James, Lamichael James (DTS), Ronnie Hilman (DTS), so I felt like I hurting for RB depth

 

[Jrodicus]

Gave Vereen & V Davis

for

Cameron, Alex Smith & 3.10 rookie pick

I consider Cameron / V. Davis to be close to even...so that makes it Vereen for Alex Smith and a late 3rd. Depends on league settings and team needs, but I prefer the Vereen side.

 

[loose circuits]

id want more proven players for a player that most deep a top 3 TE especially when Ray Rice is your RB2

 

[Jrodicus]

12 team ppr. QRRWWWTF Trim rosters to 18 before 7 round draft.

Give: Ray Rice, Emmanuel Sanders, 4.08

Get: 1.08, 2.08, Reggie Wayne

 

[eNdblu]

Gave Vereen & V Davis

for

Cameron, Alex Smith & 3.10 rookie pick

UNless it's a superflex, I'd prefer Vereen/Davis. The 3.10 holds no weight in this trade for me.

 

[msudaisy26]

12 team ppr. QRRWWWTF Trim rosters to 18 before 7 round draft.

Give: Ray Rice, Emmanuel Sanders, 4.08

Get: 1.08, 2.08, Reggie Wayne

Good haul for Rice.

 

[msudaisy26]

10 team start 1qb/2rb/3wr/1te/1flex(any)/idp ppr

I gave:

Julius Thomas

He gave:

Christine Michael

Marcus Lattimore

I'm a big Thomas fan, partially because I've held him for 3 years now and he helped me to the championship this year, but I like Michael/Lattimore both quite a bit. I still have Vernon / Reed / Wright at TE so it felt like a good move, although as I type this I'm starting to 2nd guess myself.

Other RBs I have rostered are Charles, Ray Rice, Pierce, Jstew, Mike James, Lamichael James (DTS), Ronnie Hilman (DTS), so I felt like I hurting for RB depth

I would take Lattimore side.

 

[msudaisy26]

Gave Vereen & V Davis

for

Cameron, Alex Smith & 3.10 rookie pick

Give me Vereen and Davis by quite a bit

 

[EBF]

I'm on the other side there. I think that's stealing Cameron.

 

[The_Head_Ape]

10 team start 2QB 2RB 4WR

Cutler/McCown

2.3

2.6

2.1

For

Bradford/Clemens

Reggie Bush

Michael Floyd

Marvin Jones

 

[One More Rep]

10 team start 2QB 2RB 4WR

Cutler/McCown

2.3

2.6

2.1

For

Bradford/Clemens

Reggie Bush

Michael Floyd

Marvin Jones

Bradford side.

 

[One More Rep]

Gave Vereen & V Davis

for

Cameron, Alex Smith & 3.10 rookie pick

Vereen/Davis

 

[msudaisy26]

10 team start 2QB 2RB 4WR

Cutler/McCown

2.3

2.6

2.1

For

Bradford/Clemens

Reggie Bush

Michael Floyd

Marvin Jones

Bradford side for me by a lot

 

[ghostguy123]

Based on deals I have seen and what people say Michael seems to be valued around a late 1st or early 2nd round rookie pick in trade. That's close to where he was going last year in drafts.

I don't understand how that is really much lower than where his value is right now.

These aren't the deals I am seeing for him. A well respected poster, in one of my leagues, sent a mid first, mid devy+ for him. He went for Eifert + in another. The guy who traded Eifert drafted him at 1.08, over Michael, who went 1.13. He was drafted in the 6th of a startup mock I did, one pick behind Carlos Hyde, and one pick ahead of Ray Rice. 4 rounds ahead of Bernard Peirce.

He wasn't going that high last year.

Then yes recently his value has seemed to have gone up a little more than a month or so ago.

But really, it kind of should. He would have been a higher pick in every draft if his situation was different. Right now he is 1 year closer to Lynch not being around, which by default improves his stock. He wasn't going to do anything this year anyway.

If people want to devalue him based on his lack of playing time this year, that is A-OK by me.

 

[ghostguy123]

10 team start 1qb/2rb/3wr/1te/1flex(any)/idp ppr

I gave:

Julius Thomas

He gave:

Christine Michael

Marcus Lattimore

I'm a big Thomas fan, partially because I've held him for 3 years now and he helped me to the championship this year, but I like Michael/Lattimore both quite a bit. I still have Vernon / Reed / Wright at TE so it felt like a good move, although as I type this I'm starting to 2nd guess myself.

Other RBs I have rostered are Charles, Ray Rice, Pierce, Jstew, Mike James, Lamichael James (DTS), Ronnie Hilman (DTS), so I felt like I hurting for RB depth

That is a good move in a 10 team league given your other TEs. You PROBABLY could have gotten more, but in a 10 teamer everyone likely has a good TE.

 

[Concept Coop]

Then yes recently his value has seemed to have gone up a little more than a month or so ago. But really, it kind of should. He would have been a higher pick in every draft if his situation was different. Right now he is 1 year closer to Lynch not being around, which by default improves his stock. He wasn't going to do anything this year anyway.

If people want to devalue him based on his lack of playing time this year, that is A-OK by me.

I don't want to suggest we should devalue him. But, as of right now, it's not just Lynch he's battling. He was expected to be the #2 and get some looks and he didn't. It's far from a lock that he ever replaces Lynch as the guy.

 

[ghostguy123]

Then yes recently his value has seemed to have gone up a little more than a month or so ago. But really, it kind of should. He would have been a higher pick in every draft if his situation was different. Right now he is 1 year closer to Lynch not being around, which by default improves his stock. He wasn't going to do anything this year anyway.

If people want to devalue him based on his lack of playing time this year, that is A-OK by me.

I don't want to suggest we should devalue him. But, as of right now, it's not just Lynch he's battling. He was expected to be the #2 and get some looks and he didn't. It's far from a lock that he ever replaces Lynch as the guy.

It's never a lock for 95% of the guys, but I would consider it a lock that he gets a CHANCE

 

[althepostman]

I Got A Better Offer From The Gronk Owner

His:

Gronk, Torrey Smith, Michael Johnson, 2015 2ND

For My:

Julius, Jordy

 

[jonboltz]

Then yes recently his value has seemed to have gone up a little more than a month or so ago. But really, it kind of should. He would have been a higher pick in every draft if his situation was different. Right now he is 1 year closer to Lynch not being around, which by default improves his stock. He wasn't going to do anything this year anyway.

If people want to devalue him based on his lack of playing time this year, that is A-OK by me.

I don't want to suggest we should devalue him. But, as of right now, it's not just Lynch he's battling. He was expected to be the #2 and get some looks and he didn't. It's far from a lock that he ever replaces Lynch as the guy.

It's never a lock for 95% of the guys, but I would consider it a lock that he gets a CHANCE

True, but even high-talent 2nd-round RBs may end up waiting a long time. Just ask LaMont Jordan.

 

[Turbo Punch]

I'm on the other side there. I think that's stealing Cameron.

EBF. this is why I like posting my trades here. I count 4 preferring the Vereen/Davis side and one preferring the Cameron side. My team is very strong and Cameron is my back up TE - I also have Graham. Makes it easier to part with Cameron. Taking a chance Vereen can become a more consistent RB.

 

[opensourcebeer]

Team A gives R.Jennings

Team B gives R.Turbin

12 team ppr

 

[jonboltz]

Team A gives R.Jennings

Team B gives R.Turbin

12 team ppr

Jennings, not close.

 

[One More Rep]

Team A gives R.Jennings

Team B gives R.Turbin

12 team ppr

Jennings

 

[ILUVBEER99]

Team A gives R.Jennings

Team B gives R.Turbin

12 team ppr

Jennings, not close.

How can one side win by a ton in a deal where neither player is worth much of anything?

 

[ghostguy123]

Team A gives R.Jennings

Team B gives R.Turbin

12 team ppr

Jennings, not close.

How can any trade that is Jennings for "X" be not close?

I wouldnt even consider Jennings for free as being not close. Then again, I just dont care for jennings at all

 

[ghostguy123]

How can one side win by a ton in a deal where neither player is worth much of anything?

Ah ya beat me to it.

 

[menobrown]

I'm on the other side there. I think that's stealing Cameron.

EBF. this is why I like posting my trades here. I count 4 preferring the Vereen/Davis side and one preferring the Cameron side. My team is very strong and Cameron is my back up TE - I also have Graham. Makes it easier to part with Cameron. Taking a chance Vereen can become a more consistent RB.

Make it 5 to 1. I looked at that trade as you basically getting Vereen for close to nothing.

 

[One More Rep]

Team A gives R.Jennings

Team B gives R.Turbin

12 team ppr

Jennings, not close.

How can one side win by a ton in a deal where neither player is worth much of anything?

I think Jennings can be a pretty good plug and play next year or 2.

 

[EBF]

I'm on the other side there. I think that's stealing Cameron.

EBF. this is why I like posting my trades here. I count 4 preferring the Vereen/Davis side and one preferring the Cameron side. My team is very strong and Cameron is my back up TE - I also have Graham. Makes it easier to part with Cameron. Taking a chance Vereen can become a more consistent RB.

Make it 5 to 1. I looked at that trade as you basically getting Vereen for close to nothing.

Davis had a big season in 2013, but that was with Crabtree out. The year prior he finished right around TE20 despite playing in all 16 games. Over the course of his career he's put together a few really good seasons, but he's 30 years old and he's always been a better raw athlete than receiver. Once he loses a step, a lot of what makes him special will be gone. He's not the innate pass catcher that Witten and Gonzo are. Add it all up and I don't think he's worth very much moving forward. He'll probably give you 2-3 years of TE8-TE12 production. That's not going to put you over the edge in a typical league.

Vereen vs. Cameron isn't that close for me. Cameron is one of the top 3-4 talents in the league at his position. He has a chance to give you real difference maker production at a required starting spot. Vereen had nice ppg down the stretch last year, but three years out he still hasn't put together a top 20 FF season. He doesn't carry the ball, so you're basically relying on his receptions for his FF points. That makes him equivalent to someone like Sproles, who has always been useful but never really a difference-maker.

I just think it's giving up two fringe FF starters for a guy who could be top 2-3 at his position next year. I'd rather have the one really good player than the two moderately useful pieces.

 

[False Start]

I'm on the other side there. I think that's stealing Cameron.

EBF. this is why I like posting my trades here. I count 4 preferring the Vereen/Davis side and one preferring the Cameron side. My team is very strong and Cameron is my back up TE - I also have Graham. Makes it easier to part with Cameron. Taking a chance Vereen can become a more consistent RB.

Make it 5 to 1. I looked at that trade as you basically getting Vereen for close to nothing.

Davis had a big season in 2013, but that was with Crabtree out. The year prior he finished right around TE20 despite playing in all 16 games. Over the course of his career he's put together a few really good seasons, but he's 30 years old and he's always been a better raw athlete than receiver. Once he loses a step, a lot of what makes him special will be gone. He's not the innate pass catcher that Witten and Gonzo are. Add it all up and I don't think he's worth very much moving forward. He'll probably give you 2-3 years of TE8-TE12 production. That's not going to put you over the edge in a typical league.

Vereen vs. Cameron isn't that close for me. Cameron is one of the top 3-4 talents in the league at his position. He has a chance to give you real difference maker production at a required starting spot. Vereen had nice ppg down the stretch last year, but three years out he still hasn't put together a top 20 FF season. He doesn't carry the ball, so you're basically relying on his receptions for his FF points. That makes him equivalent to someone like Sproles, who has always been useful but never really a difference-maker.

I just think it's giving up two fringe FF starters for a guy who could be top 2-3 at his position next year. I'd rather have the one really good player than the two moderately useful pieces.

I like all players involved but as some mentioned earlier Cameron cooled off a bit down the stretch, blame QB play all you want. Cameron finished 19th in standard PPR leagues (on average in the ones I was in) at TE in ppg over the last eight weeks of the season. Vereen finished 7th at RB over that stretch. Sproles doesn't carry the ball often so I must being missing your point on that account. Lets continue the comparison for value. Vereen had 40 catches at RB over the last 8 weeks, Cameron had 31 at TE. Strange a RB would have more catches than a Top 3-4 TE. Vereen missed eight games last year and Cameron missed one but Vereen still had the exact same number of 15+ point games as Cameron in standard PPR. The PPR leagues I play in Cameron scored only 200 points (on average of the 3 leagues) to Vereens 120 and Vereen missed half the season. This Cameron hype while Vereen is getting slighted makes me confused.

So Vereen/Davis for Cameron isn't just pulling the wool over the Cameron owners eyes, it is a pretty good haul. For the comment above about Vereen being inconsistent, they all have bad games he had 2 poor games while lighting it up in 6 of 8. I would take 75% consistency any time.

 

[Louche]

I'm on the other side there. I think that's stealing Cameron.

EBF. this is why I like posting my trades here. I count 4 preferring the Vereen/Davis side and one preferring the Cameron side. My team is very strong and Cameron is my back up TE - I also have Graham. Makes it easier to part with Cameron. Taking a chance Vereen can become a more consistent RB.

Make it 5 to 1. I looked at that trade as you basically getting Vereen for close to nothing.

Davis had a big season in 2013, but that was with Crabtree out. The year prior he finished right around TE20 despite playing in all 16 games. Over the course of his career he's put together a few really good seasons, but he's 30 years old and he's always been a better raw athlete than receiver. Once he loses a step, a lot of what makes him special will be gone. He's not the innate pass catcher that Witten and Gonzo are. Add it all up and I don't think he's worth very much moving forward. He'll probably give you 2-3 years of TE8-TE12 production. That's not going to put you over the edge in a typical league.

Vereen vs. Cameron isn't that close for me. Cameron is one of the top 3-4 talents in the league at his position. He has a chance to give you real difference maker production at a required starting spot. Vereen had nice ppg down the stretch last year, but three years out he still hasn't put together a top 20 FF season. He doesn't carry the ball, so you're basically relying on his receptions for his FF points. That makes him equivalent to someone like Sproles, who has always been useful but never really a difference-maker.

I just think it's giving up two fringe FF starters for a guy who could be top 2-3 at his position next year. I'd rather have the one really good player than the two moderately useful pieces.

I like all players involved but as mentioned earlier, Cameron finished 19th in standard PPR leagues (on average in the ones I was in) at TE in ppg over the last eight weeks of the season. Vereen finished 7th at RB over that stretch. Sproles doesn't carry the ball often so I must being missing your point. Vereen had 40 catches at RB over the last 8 weeks, Cameron had 31 at TE. Strange a RB would have more catches then a Top 3-4 TE right? Another point Vereen missed eight games last year and Cameron missed one but Vereen still had the exact same number of 15+ point games as Cameron in standard PPR. The PPR leagues I play in Cameron scored only 200 points (on average of the 3 leagues) to Vereens 120 and Vereen missed half the season. This Cameron hype while Vereen is getting slighted makes me confused.

So Vereen/Davis for Cameron isn't just pulling the wool over the Cameron owners eyes, it is a pretty good haul. For the comment above about Vereen being inconsistent, they all have bad games he had 2 poor games while lighting it up in 6 of 8. I would take 75% consistency any time.

I'm not going to disagree with you...I'm not huge on Cameron anyways...but unless I'm getting the deal of the century I'm staying far away from the Patriot RBs...it's just a complete lottery who is going to get production. I dumped out of the playoffs due to Vereen getting two carries, three catches and 21 total yards putting up 3.6 pts versus the Dolphins, after having scored 28.2 pts the week before (when I of course did not play him).

 

[False Start]

I'm on the other side there. I think that's stealing Cameron.

EBF. this is why I like posting my trades here. I count 4 preferring the Vereen/Davis side and one preferring the Cameron side. My team is very strong and Cameron is my back up TE - I also have Graham. Makes it easier to part with Cameron. Taking a chance Vereen can become a more consistent RB.

Make it 5 to 1. I looked at that trade as you basically getting Vereen for close to nothing.

Davis had a big season in 2013, but that was with Crabtree out. The year prior he finished right around TE20 despite playing in all 16 games. Over the course of his career he's put together a few really good seasons, but he's 30 years old and he's always been a better raw athlete than receiver. Once he loses a step, a lot of what makes him special will be gone. He's not the innate pass catcher that Witten and Gonzo are. Add it all up and I don't think he's worth very much moving forward. He'll probably give you 2-3 years of TE8-TE12 production. That's not going to put you over the edge in a typical league.

Vereen vs. Cameron isn't that close for me. Cameron is one of the top 3-4 talents in the league at his position. He has a chance to give you real difference maker production at a required starting spot. Vereen had nice ppg down the stretch last year, but three years out he still hasn't put together a top 20 FF season. He doesn't carry the ball, so you're basically relying on his receptions for his FF points. That makes him equivalent to someone like Sproles, who has always been useful but never really a difference-maker.

I just think it's giving up two fringe FF starters for a guy who could be top 2-3 at his position next year. I'd rather have the one really good player than the two moderately useful pieces.

I like all players involved but as mentioned earlier, Cameron finished 19th in standard PPR leagues (on average in the ones I was in) at TE in ppg over the last eight weeks of the season. Vereen finished 7th at RB over that stretch. Sproles doesn't carry the ball often so I must being missing your point. Vereen had 40 catches at RB over the last 8 weeks, Cameron had 31 at TE. Strange a RB would have more catches then a Top 3-4 TE right? Another point Vereen missed eight games last year and Cameron missed one but Vereen still had the exact same number of 15+ point games as Cameron in standard PPR. The PPR leagues I play in Cameron scored only 200 points (on average of the 3 leagues) to Vereens 120 and Vereen missed half the season. This Cameron hype while Vereen is getting slighted makes me confused.

So Vereen/Davis for Cameron isn't just pulling the wool over the Cameron owners eyes, it is a pretty good haul. For the comment above about Vereen being inconsistent, they all have bad games he had 2 poor games while lighting it up in 6 of 8. I would take 75% consistency any time.

I'm not going to disagree with you...I'm not huge on Cameron anyways...but unless I'm getting the deal of the century I'm staying far away from the Patriot RBs...it's just a complete lottery who is going to get production. I dumped out of the playoffs due to Vereen getting two carries, three catches and 21 total yards putting up 3.6 pts versus the Dolphins, after having scored 28.2 pts the week before (when I of course did not play him).

He helped me get to the playoffs with his 15, 17, 18 and 34 weeks 11-14.

Stats taken from WSL 1 from 2013


Week 1 - 22.90
Missed weeks 2-9
Week 10 - BYE
Week 11 - 15.20
Week 12 - 17.10
Week 13 - 18.50
Week 14 - 34.20
Week 15 - 5.10
Week 16 - 8.00
Week 17 - 13.50

While some want to knock Patriots RBs because of the Footballguys.com stigma or because he had two down games out of 8, fine that is up to you. But Vereens production is elite contrary to popular belief, do to his consistency and high scoring output. Just normal logic? I do not understand where a lot of this discussion comes from. Because he had stinkers in playoff weeks thats all you remember? Many weeks in a season, and he performed in 75% of the games he was active. He had a broken wrist, not a torn ACL. Sorry I guess I'm in the minority but he is an elite performer and I think I made my case. In this WSL his ppg put him at 10th in the league over the season. Imagine if he didn't have a broken wrist, we wouldn't even be having this outlandish discussion.

Vereen is clearly better than Bolden and that is his competition and Bolden has not seen the field in that role since Vereen got back. Blount and Ridley have no impact on Vereens playing time, game flow does and as we have seen it benefits Vereen more than it does not.

Compare Vereen to Bernard over the time Vereen returned look at Bernards hype to Vereens and tell me what's wrong. Vereen is only 24 about to be 25. Vereen is the biggest buy low of the season and that I have seen in some time. Jump on it where you can. From popular opinion, people seem to think Vereen is not a producer but some facts say otherwise.

 

[FUBAR]

Team A gives R.Jennings

Team B gives R.Turbin

12 team ppr

Jennings, not close.

How can one side win by a ton in a deal where neither player is worth much of anything?

I think Jennings can be a pretty good plug and play next year or 2.

Don't think he even starts. I'd still take him over Turbin.

 

[The Fantasy Chef]

Hey is there a way to delete this trade . It's like talking about kickers I simply impose a bylaw on this thread if a player has no fantasy value for a player that has less than no fantasy value please abstain from stealing this time from our lives we'll never get back. I could of had a cigarette for the same amount of lifespan I lost.

 

[Louche]

I'm on the other side there. I think that's stealing Cameron.

EBF. this is why I like posting my trades here. I count 4 preferring the Vereen/Davis side and one preferring the Cameron side. My team is very strong and Cameron is my back up TE - I also have Graham. Makes it easier to part with Cameron. Taking a chance Vereen can become a more consistent RB.

Make it 5 to 1. I looked at that trade as you basically getting Vereen for close to nothing.

Davis had a big season in 2013, but that was with Crabtree out. The year prior he finished right around TE20 despite playing in all 16 games. Over the course of his career he's put together a few really good seasons, but he's 30 years old and he's always been a better raw athlete than receiver. Once he loses a step, a lot of what makes him special will be gone. He's not the innate pass catcher that Witten and Gonzo are. Add it all up and I don't think he's worth very much moving forward. He'll probably give you 2-3 years of TE8-TE12 production. That's not going to put you over the edge in a typical league.

Vereen vs. Cameron isn't that close for me. Cameron is one of the top 3-4 talents in the league at his position. He has a chance to give you real difference maker production at a required starting spot. Vereen had nice ppg down the stretch last year, but three years out he still hasn't put together a top 20 FF season. He doesn't carry the ball, so you're basically relying on his receptions for his FF points. That makes him equivalent to someone like Sproles, who has always been useful but never really a difference-maker.

I just think it's giving up two fringe FF starters for a guy who could be top 2-3 at his position next year. I'd rather have the one really good player than the two moderately useful pieces.

I like all players involved but as mentioned earlier, Cameron finished 19th in standard PPR leagues (on average in the ones I was in) at TE in ppg over the last eight weeks of the season. Vereen finished 7th at RB over that stretch. Sproles doesn't carry the ball often so I must being missing your point. Vereen had 40 catches at RB over the last 8 weeks, Cameron had 31 at TE. Strange a RB would have more catches then a Top 3-4 TE right? Another point Vereen missed eight games last year and Cameron missed one but Vereen still had the exact same number of 15+ point games as Cameron in standard PPR. The PPR leagues I play in Cameron scored only 200 points (on average of the 3 leagues) to Vereens 120 and Vereen missed half the season. This Cameron hype while Vereen is getting slighted makes me confused.

So Vereen/Davis for Cameron isn't just pulling the wool over the Cameron owners eyes, it is a pretty good haul. For the comment above about Vereen being inconsistent, they all have bad games he had 2 poor games while lighting it up in 6 of 8. I would take 75% consistency any time.

I'm not going to disagree with you...I'm not huge on Cameron anyways...but unless I'm getting the deal of the century I'm staying far away from the Patriot RBs...it's just a complete lottery who is going to get production. I dumped out of the playoffs due to Vereen getting two carries, three catches and 21 total yards putting up 3.6 pts versus the Dolphins, after having scored 28.2 pts the week before (when I of course did not play him).

He helped me get to the playoffs with his 15, 17, 18 and 34 weeks 11-14.

Stats taken from WSL 1 from 2013


Week 1 - 22.90
Missed weeks 2-9
Week 10 - BYE
Week 11 - 15.20
Week 12 - 17.10
Week 13 - 18.50
Week 14 - 34.20
Week 15 - 5.10
Week 16 - 8.00
Week 17 - 13.50

While some want to knock Patriots RBs because of the Footballguys.com stigma or because he had two down games out of 8, fine that is up to you. But Vereens production is elite contrary to popular belief, do to his consistency and high scoring output. Just normal logic? I do not understand where a lot of this discussion comes from. Because he had stinkers in playoff weeks thats all you remember? Many weeks in a season, and he performed in 75% of the games he was active. He had a broken wrist, not a torn ACL. Sorry I guess I'm in the minority but he is an elite performer and I think I made my case. In this WSL his ppg put him at 10th in the league over the season. Imagine if he didn't have a broken wrist, we wouldn't even be having this outlandish discussion.

Vereen is clearly better than Bolden and that is his competition and Bolden has not seen the field in that role since Vereen got back. Blount and Ridley have no impact on Vereens playing time, game flow does and as we have seen it benefits Vereen more than it does not.

Compare Vereen to Bernard over the time Vereen returned look at Bernards hype to Vereens and tell me what's wrong. Vereen is only 24 about to be 25. Vereen is the biggest buy low of the season and that I have seen in some time. Jump on it where you can. From popular opinion, people seem to think Vereen is not a producer but some facts say otherwise.

I agree with you that he is underrated. But if you also look at his playoff games he did nothing against the Colts and then he put up 93 total yards but no TD against the Broncos which is nothing more than average in most formats. But yes, looking at his average per game for the entire season his production is good, but I still haven't figured out how to predict his production. With a more prototypical RB, and with Gio, I can usually smell which games are going to be difficult for them and then I can plan around it. With the Patriots running backs I struggle to make accurate predictions. And I'm not the only one. Here's what Evan Silva wrote ahead of the Dolphins game:

"Shane Vereen has emerged as the Patriots' clear lead back. He's been targeted a whopping 45 times since returning from short-term I.R. four games ago, leading New England. Vereen is an every-week RB1 in both standard and PPR leagues at this point."

2 carries for 13 yards. 3 catches for 8 yards.

But I'm not going to turn this into a Shane Vereen thread. I see your point and where you're coming from, but I personally prefer to stay away from the Patriots RB situation unless there is such a big gap from market value that I have no choice but to jump on it.

 

[Jrodicus]

12 team ppr

TRich, 2.04

For

Kendall Wright, 1.11, 1.12

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Andrew Luck

For

Nick Foles and Monte Ball

 

[Bamac]

Hey is there a way to delete this trade . It's like talking about kickers I simply impose a bylaw on this thread if a player has no fantasy value for a player that has less than no fantasy value please abstain from stealing this time from our lives we'll never get back. I could of had a cigarette for the same amount of lifespan I lost.

12 team ppr, QRRWWWTF

Stephen Hill

for

Tim Wright

 

[The Fantasy Chef]

12 team ppr

TRich, 2.04

For

Kendall Wright, 1.11, 1.12

Andrew Luck

For

Nick Foles and Monte Ball

I like the wright side of this deal simply for the picks I have lost faith in trich. I am for the buy low mentality but think you'll get to solid prospects with those draft picks.

In the other trade I would go with the high upside of Foles and Ball I think the odds are very much in their favor with two potential studs. I do love Andrew Luck and his skill set but with the depth at qb and the hardships to find three stud running backs on your average fantasy football team I'd sway towards the Foles Ball side of that deal

 

[Archer]

12 team ppr dynasty

Gave: Nicks & Thompkins

Got: Reed

(needed a TE and had good WR depth already)

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

DeMarco Murray

For

Michael Crabtree and Julius Thomas

 

[False Start]

DeMarco Murray

For

Michael Crabtree and Julius Thomas

Give me Crabtree and Thomas please.

 

[tdmills]

14 team devy league

Lee, Watkins, Bridgewater, asj, Carey, seastrunk, hill rostered.

Team a gets: 1.9, 1.10, 1.13, 1.14, 2015 devy(late)

Team b gets: Cobb