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*** OFFICIAL *** 13/14 Off-Season Dynasty Trade Thread (2 Viewers)
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Evil G
Footballguy
I think you may be diminishing the risk, a tad. Arm and back problems, now the knee, many many surgeries.
Yes, everybody comes back from ACL, but not everyone at the same rate, so he may have a more reasonable year, even if he plays the whole way.
In the above deal, Brown a picture of youth, health and consistency, the 1.06 quite valuable in this year's Draft. So, yeah, I like that side.
Funny, it's entirely possible Gronk comes back strong, and then you could not get him at that price, for years.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
In a TE premium league, on a PPG basis Gronk is pretty much untouchable. All I'm really saying is that if you're worried about the injuries, you should get more than this.
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Team A Gives Trent Richardson/2014 3.2 rookie pick/2014 3.11 rookie pick
Team B Gives Terrance Williams/2014 Rookie pick 2.1/2014 Rookie Pick 2.4
12 team league ppr
Team B Gives Terrance Williams/2014 Rookie pick 2.1/2014 Rookie Pick 2.4
12 team league ppr
kwille
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
I concur, seems really really cheap. The chances of you hitting on both those picks is remote, and if you hit on one that would be a good draft, but the chances of that one hit being better than Crabtree are small.
EBF
Footballguy
14 team league with devy players. .75/1/1.25 PPR for RB/WR/TE. Start 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 FLEX.
Gave:
WR Justin Blackmon
2015 1st round devy pick
Got:
TE Jordan Cameron
2015 2nd round rookie pick
My team is pretty strong, so the devy pick will most likely be mid-late. Same with the 2nd rounder, which is also from my team.
The 1.25 PPR for TE makes a pretty big difference in their flex value. Cameron would've finished as WR18 last season, right between Fitzgerald and Allen.
Gave:
WR Justin Blackmon
2015 1st round devy pick
Got:
TE Jordan Cameron
2015 2nd round rookie pick
My team is pretty strong, so the devy pick will most likely be mid-late. Same with the 2nd rounder, which is also from my team.
The 1.25 PPR for TE makes a pretty big difference in their flex value. Cameron would've finished as WR18 last season, right between Fitzgerald and Allen.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
EBF
Footballguy
Agree with that. I had half a mind to pass on this deal, as there's plenty of downside. Blackmon has a higher ppg ceiling than Cameron and with the devy pick thrown in, it could turn out to be a 1-for-2 where the other guy gets the best player in the deal and a free lottery ticket to boot.
But I favor Cameron straight up over Blackmon in TE-premium scoring for the time being, mainly because he doesn't have the threat of massive suspension hanging over his head. I think he's the real deal and actually a little undervalued based on comments in some of the offseason threads. I've gone back and watched everything I can find on him with the Browns. To me, he looks pretty legit. We'll see how it works out.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
msudaisy26
Footballguy
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
You and I are usually on the same page, but I'm not seeing this one. Isn't your realistic best case scenario for those picks to luck into a WR as good as Crabtree, even in this deep class?
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I just don't love Crabtree. It could be a case of being over confident too. In 2012, another deep draft class I had pick 2.01 and 2.04 and I landed Jeffery and Wright. I just think I could do the same this year.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
You might be right. Just seems like even if Crabtree is only ever a high-end WR2, it's still the safer way to go. Which feels strange to say, as I'm usually a risk-taker in trades.
Rolling_akg
Footballguy
- Team Agave up Brown, Bryce PHI RB;McCoy, LeSean PHI RB;Wright, Kendall TEN WR; Year 2015 Round 2 Draft Pick from Rolling Prairie Dogs
Team B gave up Lattimore, Marcus SFO RB;Mathews, Ryan SDC RB;Jeffery, Alshon CHI WR; Year 2014 Draft Pick 1.12
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thriftyrocker
Footballguy
I would give up TWilliams for Richardson as I don't believe Williams has elite upside but I'd probably balk on including the pick upgrades in this draft.
False Start
Footballguy
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Footballguy
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msudaisy26
Footballguy
I would trade for him if the price is right. I would probably send an early to mid second for him. Not 2 and a player.
False Start
Footballguy
Understandable, I just do not think people would cut bait with him at that price but I would take a chance too for that.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
12 team ppr - QB / 2RB / 3 WR / TE / FL
- Team A gave up Patterson, Cordarrelle MIN WR
- Team B gave up Year 2014 Draft Pick 1.01
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I agree with that. I have tried getting him in one league. The owner still wants top 5 rb price for him.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Toss up for me. Right now I think I would take Patterson, but if this was after the real NFL draft and Watkins landed in the perfect spot I would take 1.01
Concept Coop
Footballguy
I think this is a solid win for the team getting the draft pick. Watkins is a better WR with equally freaky upside, imo.
Denver724
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Concept Coop
Footballguy
I'd still take Watkins, personally. I'm not targeting either guy for their 2014 production and situations are fluid.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Yeah, it plays both ways. How can anyone trade for him, but no one will give him up cheap. His ADP is still sky high at 40.3. I think there's a few players in the 40s/50s/60s you could swap him for and feel good about especially if it fits your team make up. There's a tier of WR in there - Hilton, Torrey, DJax, Decker, Wright - who I think you can give up where you have depth for a hope and a prayer. Yes he looked terrible but stranger things have happened, and time is on his side. On the other side Williams' ADP is too low at 88 by about a round or a round and a 1/2. Top 60 player vs. top 75 player is what it comes down to for me, and two high 2nds to get that upgrade is a bit much.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
I think Watkins is safer (even in Oakland) but Patterson's upside is higher. That comes with a caveat though because I think Patterson reaching his all world upside is pretty slim. It's a fair deal to me. The pick offers a little bit of benefit in liquidity and possible appreciation but I think most teams want Patterson so that's a minor concern.
coolnerd
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opensourcebeer
Footballguy
I'll take Patterson here. A breakout 2014 campaign out Patterson would not surprise me.
The Bandit
Footballguy
As a Patterson owner in multiple leagues you would have to add something (not anything huge, but something) to the 1.01 to get me to swap. Especially since we are pre-combine and pre-draft. Patterson has shown he can ball at the NFL level and now he's getting Norv as his OC.
If you aren't a believer then I can easily see someone preferring the 1.01.
If you aren't a believer then I can easily see someone preferring the 1.01.
MattFancy
Footballguy
14-team Devy PPR
Gave: 2.5, Jonathon Stewart
Got: David Wilson
Sure a bit of a gamble for Wilson, but all the news recently suggests he should be fine. I do also have Andre Brown too for insurance. Figured 2.5 is more like a mid-20s pick since it's a 14-teamer with devys. Some of the studs like Watkins, Lee, Carey and Seastrunk are all gone so even the 1st round could get slim by the end. And Stewart has never lived up to the hype or done anything.
Gave: 2.5, Jonathon Stewart
Got: David Wilson
Sure a bit of a gamble for Wilson, but all the news recently suggests he should be fine. I do also have Andre Brown too for insurance. Figured 2.5 is more like a mid-20s pick since it's a 14-teamer with devys. Some of the studs like Watkins, Lee, Carey and Seastrunk are all gone so even the 1st round could get slim by the end. And Stewart has never lived up to the hype or done anything.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Physically, maybe. But technically, Watkins is better today than Patterson ever will be. Patterson is learning how to play WR on the job. He'll gain some polish and might even learn to run the entire route tree, but he'll never be technician--it's too late in the process for that.thriftyrocker said:
Patterson's upside was always a bigger Percy Harvin with less polish and more size, and I think we forgot that. Now that we're all looking for the next Josh Gordon, we're shoving the square through the circle shape.
Boom or bust WR2 is the likely outcome for Patterson, imo. I say this as a Patterson owner in more than one league, but he has a ways to go before he can be relied on to be a steady NFL WR2. The homeruns will be there, but I wouldn't count on them happening at pace they did over the 2nd half of the season.
False Start
Footballguy
This is what I never understand about fantasy football. Sure Watkins can be a great pick but it is all about being safe with upside. We all know Patterson is about to explode and can play in the NFL. Sammy Watkins had a busted year in college just two years ago. But Sammy is more coveted? Why? This hyping of players needs to stop. Evans or any other WR in the draft could be better as time moves on. Wanting Watkins over Patterson is a perfect example of how people value age more than even production.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
If you want to counter any of my points, feel free. But I laid out why I value Sammy more than Patterson, so "people value age more than even production" is a strawman; at least.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I think you can be a beleiver in Patterson and still favor the "concept" of owning the 1.01 or even favor Watkins over him.
EBF
Footballguy
We do? I rate Patterson fairly high, but I don't think his 469 receiving yards as a rookie counts as stronger evidence than Sammy's college career.
Neither one is a proven NFL commodity by any means.
Got an interesting one for you guys that I just completed.
League is a Superflex Tiered PPR - Starting 1 QB/WR/RB/TE 4 Flex RB/WR/TE 1 Superflex QB/RB/WR/TE (PPR 1.5 TE, 1 WR, 0.5 RB)
Gave: Tony Romo, Brandon Marshall, 2014 Rookie 2.11
Received: Matt Ryan, Eric Decker, 2014 Rookie 1.10, 2014 Devy 1.10 (That rookie 1.10 should be valued around 2.03ish in a non devy league based on who is rostered)
League is a Superflex Tiered PPR - Starting 1 QB/WR/RB/TE 4 Flex RB/WR/TE 1 Superflex QB/RB/WR/TE (PPR 1.5 TE, 1 WR, 0.5 RB)
Gave: Tony Romo, Brandon Marshall, 2014 Rookie 2.11
Received: Matt Ryan, Eric Decker, 2014 Rookie 1.10, 2014 Devy 1.10 (That rookie 1.10 should be valued around 2.03ish in a non devy league based on who is rostered)
Concept Coop
Footballguy
I'd take the Ryan side, but am higher on Decker than most. In this format Winston, Mariota, Hundley, Petty and Hackenberg are quality devy options at QB. If they are all gone, major value will slide elsewhere. While I've never played in a devy super-flex, but pondering it, I think the devy picks would all be very valuable and the most affordable way to add quality QBs to your roster.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Devy draft is for those eligbile for the 2015 NFL draft, so the first 3 will be available to be picked, Hackenberg sadly will not!
Concept Coop
Footballguy
I really like it for you, then. Gurley, Yeldon, Davis, Gordon, Cooper, DGB -- I had assumed these guys would have bee rostered.
