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*** OFFICIAL *** 13/14 Off-Season Dynasty Trade Thread (2 Viewers)
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ILUVBEER99
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Cobb, don't ever see Ellington being a bell cow and he's not going to ever be a GL back.
Cobb for me but its close.
I think its possible Ellington could be flipped for a player that might turn this deal the other way for me
Phenix
Footballguy
Blockbuster!
- Team A gave up Ivory, Chris NYJ RB; White, Roddy ATL WR; Wilson, Marquess CHI WR; Draft Pick 1.10; Draft Pick 1.11; Draft Pick 1.13
- Team B gave up Mallett, Ryan NEP QB; Boykin, Jarrett GBP WR; Thomas, Demaryius DEN WR; Draft Pick 2.06
loose circuits
Footballguy
wow, wish I could get demaryus for that, stolen
One More Rep
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False Start
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MoveToSkypager
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
Yes it would for most people, for the last 50 years of their lives.
It's not like his job is the next 30-40 years of his life. It might be the next 3, or 5.
Of course it isn't ALL about the money, but enough of an increase in pay (especially when he hasn't make jack squat yet) can sure dictate where you go for the majority of people, and in sports almost everyone.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
False Start
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
In a deal like this, I would like to see the string of emails that have to go back and forth to get the likes of Ivory, Wilson, Mallett, and Boykin incorporated into this. And why is the Thomas owner also giving back a mid 2nd? Certainly not as bad as the deal in my sig, but you found the needle in the haystack of owners who would deal DT for that. Basically WHite and two late 1sts.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I said two late 1sts because pick 13 isnt generally a 1st, plus pick 2.06 is coming back in the deal.
Evil G
Footballguy
12 Team PPR Dynasty QRRWWTKD + Flex + SuperFlex, TE Premium
Made two quick deals this evening:
Gave: Christine Michael, 2015 2nd (will be late)
Got: Kendall Wright
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Gave: Kendall Wright
Got: David Wilson, 2015 1st (guessing mid)
Had Michael in two leagues, now have Wilson in the pair. Offers to trade him away in the second league already up.
Made two quick deals this evening:
Gave: Christine Michael, 2015 2nd (will be late)
Got: Kendall Wright
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Gave: Kendall Wright
Got: David Wilson, 2015 1st (guessing mid)
Had Michael in two leagues, now have Wilson in the pair. Offers to trade him away in the second league already up.
- A gave up Patton, Quinton SFO WR; Year 2014 Draft Pick 1.02
B gave up Richardson, Trent IND RB; Crabtree, Michael SFO WR; Year 2014 Draft Pick 4.07
Evil G
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Love the 1st deal.
Second one is a bit risky but I own Wilson so I am hoping it works out for you
A few from a 16-team PPR contract league, 6 pts for all TDs, start Q/R/W/W/W/T/Flex. Somewhat light IDP scoring, start 2 DL, 2 LB, 2 DB & 2 Flex. All significant players below have at least 2 years left on their contracts. All trades from the last two weeks.
Sam Bradford for 2.11
2.04, 2.08 & 20% FAAB for Paul Worrilow & 2.12
AJ Green for 1.03, 2.03 & 20% FAAB
JJ Watt & 3.03 for D. Levy, 2.01 & 2.14
Bobby Wagner, 2.06 & 2015 2nd for Nick Foles
AlfMo & Julio for 1.11, 2.11, 4.02 & 25% FAAB
Aaron Rodgers for Flacco, 1.01, 3.11 & 50% FAAB
2.11 & 3.01 for 2.02
Mychal Rivera for 3.14 & 7.14
Some head-scratchers in there for sure
Sam Bradford for 2.11
2.04, 2.08 & 20% FAAB for Paul Worrilow & 2.12
AJ Green for 1.03, 2.03 & 20% FAAB
JJ Watt & 3.03 for D. Levy, 2.01 & 2.14
Bobby Wagner, 2.06 & 2015 2nd for Nick Foles
AlfMo & Julio for 1.11, 2.11, 4.02 & 25% FAAB
Aaron Rodgers for Flacco, 1.01, 3.11 & 50% FAAB
2.11 & 3.01 for 2.02
Mychal Rivera for 3.14 & 7.14
Some head-scratchers in there for sure
16-team ppr, 4 pt passing TDs, start Q/R/2 WR/TE/2 Flex. Full IDP (3-4-4, 4-3-4 or 3-3-5) & balanced scoring.
- A gave up Wallace, Mike MIA WR
- B gave up Bradford, Sam STL QB
- C gave up Maclin, Jeremy PHI WR;Alonso, Kiko BUF LB; Year 2014 Draft Pick 5.05
- D gave up Austin, Tavon STL WR;Davis, Demario NYJ LB; Year 2014 Draft Pick 1.07;Year 2014 Draft Pick 3.07
Yeah I saw these ones.
Wallace in the first deal.
The 2nd deal is pretty lopsided. Austin/pick side probably by all the picks. Not sure I like any LB enough to pay a higher 1st + 3rd.
msudaisy26
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The_Head_Ape
Footballguy
10 team start QQRRWWWW
A (Rebuilding) gave:
Adrian Peterson
B (Contending) gave:
2015 1.X
2014 3.1
Ryan Mallett
A (Rebuilding) gave:
Adrian Peterson
B (Contending) gave:
2015 1.X
2014 3.1
Ryan Mallett
ghostguy123
Footballguy
False Start
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Should of got much more for Peterson. People shredding the D. Thomas trade above should have a field day on this one.
doowain
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thriftyrocker
Footballguy
I agree you should get more, but in a 10 team 2 QB league you can take more chances like this. The 1st has a lot more value, and the chance that the "contending" team doesn't make the top 4 and the pick becomes a elite level prospect are higher.
Gandalf the Grey
Footballguy
Yeah agree with you on both. Wallace side in first, second deal was terrible, I'd take Austin and picks by a mile.
cstu
Footballguy
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
That's true. You definitely made his team better for next year. That is the whole idea behind the trade. But stuff happens. And the improvement AP makes over his existing RB if he's a contender might be a small increment, not the home run it would be in a deeper league. You have no chance of getting a top 4 pick in a 2QB league for AP next year so even if it's a 10% chance that's worth something.
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
Yikes.
Trading AP for a 10% chance of a top 4 pick. Maybe even less since you just gave him AP.
It's a bad trade for any team, even a rebuilding team.
Yeah not quite sure I get this one.
Probably best to hold Peterson if the best you can do is a late 1st you can't use until next year
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Yeah, that AP deal and deals like it make me cringe, especially when its February.
I am sure the other 8 owners in the league are real pleased with it also.
I am sure the other 8 owners in the league are real pleased with it also.
MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
The Peterson trade looks like an obvious "Well, I need to rebuild so I'll just take the best offer for my veteran players". Awful trade. Simply awful. Trading for trading's sake.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
More like the FIRST offer. Maybe he accidentally hit accept instead of reject and just doesn't realize it yet.
Some people will say "if that 2015 1st becomes a stud it was a good trade". No, sorry, its still a bad trade. A lucky outcome doesn't all of a sudden make a bad trade a good trade, not when 99.999999999% of fantasy owners would pay more than that for Peterson.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
I would agree with that. But would say it was a decent first offer. Add a top 100 player and I think it gets really fair esp. in this format.
Spike
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I think "
" is sig worthy, haha.There are a few ways to judge each deal. Judge it based on the value you get using startup ADP, judge it based on other trades, and of course judging it on how it ends up working out.
If I trade Peterson for picks 1,2,3 and they all bust, it was a great trade based on two of those three criteria (there are more, just using those 3 for now).
If I trade Peterson for a 2014 6th round pick, but that pick ends up being some flier RB who becomes a 10 year stud, then that trade is horrible based on those first two criteria, and great based on the last criteria.
Obviously you cant make every deal just based on market value. You also have to try and acquire the guys that you personally like and think will do well. Based on most of the trades in this thread and the threads of years past, I have no idea what people use as criteria to make a deal.
Black
Footballguy
It is not an unfair trade, but with the 2nd round pick seems to be the Spiller/Cobb/2nd side has more value.
Spiller side has alot more upside, but risk also. Not sure Spiller will ever get carries til he pukes. I also worry that Cobb might get fewer targets b/c of a viable GB run game and possible return of Finley (or upgrade at TE).
Whoever got Lacy and Wright is looking for production immediately...Lacy seems a good bet for solid every-week production for a couple more years at least and Wright was very consistent in PPR in just his 2nd year.
To flip Spiller immediately is odd...so his take is:
gives: Lacy/Wright
gets: 2014: 1.05, 1.08, 2015 (2nd), and Cobb.
Cobb>Wright I think, so then it's Lacy for 1.05, 1.08 and a 2015 2nd. Not sure how I feel about that...I don't love this draft for RBs and at least Lacy is a bird in the hand.
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Black
Footballguy
I also don't like "paying a premium for opportunity". Fantasy Football is about winning this year. You need points, so you need targets and carries. After my starting roster and a few solid backups, I am happy to stash guys like C.Michael, David Wilson, etc. But, I am not going to give a starter up and start compromising my team now so that in a couple of years I can have a superstud.It's an appropriate comment.EBF something makes me think no RB on any of your teams actually gets carries in a gameJK
I don't like paying a premium for opportunity, so lately my strategy when buying RBs has mostly been to get talented backup/committee guys and hope that they eventually get a chance to start. I have guys like Michael, Brown, Pierce, Stewart, Greene, and Gerhart on many of my teams. I'd rather pay a modest price for one of them than spend a top 10-20 startup pick on a guy like Bell who might not even be any better than them.
I do have guys like Martin, Mathews, and Richardson on many teams too. All else being equal, I'd much rather have a guy who's playing. That's just the thing though. When someone is in the shop window putting up points every week, his price rises quickly and he becomes very difficult to acquire. If you're willing to take on some uncertainty and a waiting period, I feel like you can often get equivalent talents for a fraction of the price and that's been the direction I've gone at RB the last year or so. I think there's better value in paying mediocrity prices for mediocre players than treating them like premium assets just because they've stumbled into a starting job for a year or two.
I'll let you know in a couple years how it all works out. Jury's still very much out on many of these players.
The same can be true of giving up players who are producing well now for picks: unless you have some sense of doom or not happy with an anticipated change of scenery for those players OR you get a bunch of picks.
Maybe I look really smart for holding that guy for 3 years, but if I do that too often, I'll likely not have the surrounding players to win consistently.
Not sure that anyone cares, but even though that is my philosophy, I am currently in the midst of a 'rebuild' in a 10 team PPR dynasty, and am trading off players who's contracts are hard to renew for picks:
--I traded V.Davis for the 2013 1.04 and B.Lloyd..immediately flipped B.Lloyd for Gates, then later Gates for a 2nd which became the 2013: 2.02. So net was VDavis for 2013: 1.04 and 2.02.
--I traded Andre Johnson/2014 3rd for Michael Floyd, 2014 2nd, and Ry Mathews. I immediately flipped Ry Mathews for what became the 1.02....so net was Andre/ 2014: 3.08 for Mi Floyd, 2014: 1.03, 2.05,
I am not averse to trading players that I think I can replace for multiple shots at upside/opportunity.
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MoveToSkypager
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It's also 2 different moves. There's a) The Peterson for pick trade and b) The draft choice. These are 2 separate moves and should be evaluated as such. Just like making a ####ty trade, then using some part of the ####ty trade to make a good trade so your net is better, that doesn't mean both moves you made are better, that just means your 2nd move made up for your first bad one.I think "
There are a few ways to judge each deal. Judge it based on the value you get using startup ADP, judge it based on other trades, and of course judging it on how it ends up working out.
If I trade Peterson for picks 1,2,3 and they all bust, it was a great trade based on two of those three criteria (there are more, just using those 3 for now).
If I trade Peterson for a 2014 6th round pick, but that pick ends up being some flier RB who becomes a 10 year stud, then that trade is horrible based on those first two criteria, and great based on the last criteria.
Obviously you cant make every deal just based on market value. You also have to try and acquire the guys that you personally like and think will do well. Based on most of the trades in this thread and the threads of years past, I have no idea what people use as criteria to make a deal.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I still think it means your first move was a bad one. I don't think the second one makes up for the first one. At least, it doesnt make the first one look any better.MoveToSkypager said:It's also 2 different moves. There's a) The Peterson for pick trade and b) The draft choice. These are 2 separate moves and should be evaluated as such. Just like making a ####ty trade, then using some part of the ####ty trade to make a good trade so your net is better, that doesn't mean both moves you made are better, that just means your 2nd move made up for your first bad one.ghostguy123 said:I think "Spike said:
There are a few ways to judge each deal. Judge it based on the value you get using startup ADP, judge it based on other trades, and of course judging it on how it ends up working out.
If I trade Peterson for picks 1,2,3 and they all bust, it was a great trade based on two of those three criteria (there are more, just using those 3 for now).
If I trade Peterson for a 2014 6th round pick, but that pick ends up being some flier RB who becomes a 10 year stud, then that trade is horrible based on those first two criteria, and great based on the last criteria.
Obviously you cant make every deal just based on market value. You also have to try and acquire the guys that you personally like and think will do well. Based on most of the trades in this thread and the threads of years past, I have no idea what people use as criteria to make a deal.
If you get good value on the first deal, you can still do the second deal plus have more. But I see what you are saying.
All of it matters, and the sum of all the moves you make (trades, draft, cuts, waivers) is what makes you either terrible, bad, average, good, really good, or great at dynasty over the long term.
But a bad trade is a bad trade no matter who you are. If the best dynasty player ever trades AP for a 3rd round pick, it is still a horrible move, and no less horrible than if the worst guy in the league makes that move.
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Black
Footballguy
I do more like Tiers, and value changes alot year to year with changes in coaching, new players, and opportunity. I know what players I prefer over others and normally just group them by what round ADP suggests they'll be drafted in. Then, I look by round and be sure I get 'my guys' about a round early.No, I pick them by who I like and I have a mental ranking of players based on my preference. Also, no need for that kind of smart A response.So do you pick players by uniform color?
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