Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
And Stevie didn't require guys to get hurt in order to put up his 1K seasons. Definitely both NFL #1s more by default than by design, though.
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*** OFFICIAL *** 13/14 Off-Season Dynasty Trade Thread (1 Viewer)
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Concept Coop
Footballguy
My point was; be careful what you pay for an NFL WR2 forced into an NFL WR1 role. People look at the numbers, his age, his QB and pay for that, rather than the player himself. That can be dangerous, as it was for anyone who paid full price for Stevie Johnson.
Then perhaps you should have said that to begin with instead of remarks that were rather ambiguous and could be misinterpreted,
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Concept Coop
Footballguy
MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
Billy Ball Thorton
Footballguy
I wouldn't give the 1.10 for Hilton. The Stevie comparison is great, although once Indy brings in a real receiver and healthy Wayne Allen Hilton will be lucky to catch 50 balls. He totally disappeared from games last year. You saw his ceiling as he had no competition for balls.
JohnnyU
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MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
Forte and 1.04 for me. Lattimore just takes up space on your roster. Forte wins leagues.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
It's close, depending on how wide you feel the gap between 1.01 and 1.04 is. If I need a RB--it's not a damning drop; there will be a young (likely) starting RB at 1.04 to pair with Forte.
Forte, Hyde (or Hill or Sankey or Mason (2nd round to lead role))
for
Watkins, Lattimore(Hunter), Michael
The Forte side should greatly outproduce the Watkins side over the next 2 years. Not a bad price to pay for a 2 year push and potential longterm RB help.
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
I wouldn't take the 1.10 for HIlton. I don't see anyone that I would draft at 1.10 that I would like better than Hilton /eos
MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
I would only rather have Hilton right now because judging by the thread I could trade him for much more than Stevie...I would be trading Hilton for anything better than 1.08 I think
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Concept Coop
Footballguy
My only 2013 banner came from providing a few rebuilding teams "great rebuild trades". A couple I'd take back today, but not at the expense of the banner.
How much career VBD is a short-term push worth? That's a personal call.
MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
These just went down in a PPR league
Team A gives
Reggie Wayne
1.05
Team B gives
1.02
Team C gives
1.03
Team D gives
1.06
2.10
2015 1st
Team D is a strong playoff team
Team A gives
Reggie Wayne
1.05
Team B gives
1.02
Team C gives
1.03
Team D gives
1.06
2.10
2015 1st
Team D is a strong playoff team
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thriftyrocker
Footballguy
If you think Watkins is elite you should do whatever it takes to get him. I realize that eliteness is debatable right now, but I'd err on the side of treating him as such. How much short term VBD is worth getting an untouchable player. Buy cheaper RB to fill a hole. There will be a not-as-sexy name like Moreno, MJD, or Johnson who will be producing RB1 who you can trade for in Nov if you need a push. Losing your league because you didn't have "the guy" is rare. Next year Lattimore or Michael could be worth the same or more than Forte, and Watkins is almost guaranteed to be.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
IMO this underestimates the difference between Matt Forte and a typical less expensive "patch" type RB. Forte was a huge difference maker last year, and considering Chicago's offense, he's pretty likely to be one again in 2014, and maybe 2015. Adding Forte to an already strong team could easily be a difference making move.ETA: Of course I also think that Michael and Lattimore are two of the most over-rated assets in FF right now, so YMMV.
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Jrodicus
Footballguy
"IS" elite? How can Watkins be an "elite" NFL WR...when he's not even an NFL WR yet?
Will he be elite? Could be. Does Watkins have a significantly better chance of being elite compared to the guy at the 1.04? Depends, but the guy taken at 1.04 could end up being elite as well.
Some guys live up to the hype, and some don't.
If you perpetually "err on the side of" guys becoming "elite" prematurely, you're likely to strike out as often as you make contact.
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JohnnyU
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Concept Coop
Footballguy
If you think Watkins is elite and likely untouchable, sure; so long as you don't view Hyde in the same light. But I'm not making that bet, and haven't found a resource with a track record strong enough to follow, either.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
One More Rep
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
You do realize that Witten is only 31 and still producing at a high level? If you're in need of a TE 1, this trade is a no brainer. If you believe in Woods, then it's a good trade from the other side as well. The 2.04 is a major dart throw. Sometimes trades work out for both sides, like they're supposed to
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Concept Coop
Footballguy
Yup. And he's a good bet to have a long career, not relying on physical gifts to produce. He knows where to be, gets there, and catches the ball.
squistion
Footballguy
He can't be and people who think otherwise at this stage of the game often end up with "can't miss" prospects like Trent Richardson on their roster.
That is not to say he won't be the next WR superstar, but can we wait until he at least plays a down in the NFL before we label him as a sure thing.
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thriftyrocker
Footballguy
No part of my message indicated it was a sure thing. Just that it was worth the risk.
MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
JohnnyU
Footballguy
squistion
Footballguy
Outside of this: "I realize that eliteness is debatable right now, but I'd err on the side of treating him as such."
Perhaps getting too much into semantics, but generally when people label a player as elite around here, they usually also consider him a sure thing or a can't miss prospect - but I guess you don't...
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thriftyrocker
Footballguy
"Err on the side of" caution means to use great caution because you don't want what happens if you're not cautious. My statement meant I wouldn't let this opportunity pass because if he hits you won't be able to get him later. I stand by what I said, hopefully it is clearer now.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
One More Rep
Footballguy
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
I like Denarius more than I should and have made a couple dumb trades to get him. But I would probably pay this to get Edelman in a full PPR league.
squistion
Footballguy
Clear as mud, which is probably why you didn't bother to quote what previously was said.
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MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
SieteCinco
Footballguy
12 Team 1PPR 2QB-2RB-3WR-1TE-1Flex Devy/Rookie Draft League
Gave: 2014 2.03
For: 2015 2nd (was the 2.01 this year) and Da'Rick Rogers
I like Da'Rick, own him in all but one league.. but he's that guy you wouldn't want to trade much of anything for because his RISK seems to outweigh the reward. I had no real needs on this team and decided to kick the pick down the road another year and roll the dice on Da'Rick. Still have a 1st/two 3rds to have my draft day fun with!
Gave: 2014 2.03
For: 2015 2nd (was the 2.01 this year) and Da'Rick Rogers
I like Da'Rick, own him in all but one league.. but he's that guy you wouldn't want to trade much of anything for because his RISK seems to outweigh the reward. I had no real needs on this team and decided to kick the pick down the road another year and roll the dice on Da'Rick. Still have a 1st/two 3rds to have my draft day fun with!
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