*** OFFICIAL *** 13/14 Off-Season Dynasty Trade Thread (3 Viewers)

[EBF]

I think Torrey has slipped into Mike Wallace/Stevie Johnson/Mike Williams territory where people have realized that he's really just a #2 WR masquerading as a #1 because Baltimore doesn't have anything better. I think guys like Adams/Robinson/Moncrief/Beckham might have a similar destiny, so it's not necessarily a horrible thing to cash out the pick for the older version of that kind of talent. However, I think you miss that sell high window where the guy is still a nebulous young prospect fresh on the scene who may or may not have top 10 upside, and thus can convince people to overpay based on the idea that he might become a bona fide star and not just another "meh" depth player. After Torrey's rookie year, you could've argued that he had Pro Bowl upside. After three years, it seems like a stretch.

Thus, even if I knew that Moncrief and Robinson were headed for the same fate, I might prefer them simply because when they first show signs of potential, people will be far more likely to think they can be great (and pay accordingly) than they might with a guy like Smith or Wallace who now look proven mediocrities. I basically feel the same way about Maclin, although maybe he can have a career year in that scheme. It seems to suit him well.

Nothing wrong with a useful depth player. You sacrifice some upside though.

 

[Ernol]

Not ready to give up on Torrey yet. He looked great early on last year to justify my lofty ranking but then tailed off badly (particularly his conversion rate). However, despite the additional catches, his elite yards per reception stayed the same. His production doesn't merit putting him in any of my lineups, so I haven't been actively trying to acquire him and have had to drop him some in my rankings. But, still only 25, I wouldn’t be surprised if Torrey Smith broke out this year (finally).

 

[Coeur de Lion]

I think Torrey has slipped into Mike Wallace/Stevie Johnson/Mike Williams territory where people have realized that he's really just a #2 WR masquerading as a #1 because Baltimore doesn't have anything better. I think guys like Adams/Robinson/Moncrief/Beckham might have a similar destiny, so it's not necessarily a horrible thing to cash out the pick for the older version of that kind of talent. However, I think you miss that sell high window where the guy is still a nebulous young prospect fresh on the scene who may or may not have top 10 upside, and thus can convince people to overpay based on the idea that he might become a bona fide star and not just another "meh" depth player. After Torrey's rookie year, you could've argued that he had Pro Bowl upside. After three years, it seems like a stretch.

Thus, even if I knew that Moncrief and Robinson were headed for the same fate, I might prefer them simply because when they first show signs of potential, people will be far more likely to think they can be great (and pay accordingly) than they might with a guy like Smith or Wallace who now look proven mediocrities. I basically feel the same way about Maclin, although maybe he can have a career year in that scheme. It seems to suit him well.

Nothing wrong with a useful depth player. You sacrifice some upside though.

Kind of hard to call a guy that has consistently finished as a WR2 "depth" IMO, assuming 40+ weekly WR starters league wide which is fairly typical (12 teams starting 3 WRs plus a flex). How many teams in a typical 12 teamer can't find a place for WR22 / WR23 in their weekly lineup?

 

[ghostguy123]

Kind of hard to call a guy that has consistently finished as a WR2 "depth" IMO, assuming 40+ weekly WR starters league wide which is fairly typical (12 teams starting 3 WRs plus a flex). How many teams in a typical 12 teamer can't find a place for WR22 / WR23 in their weekly lineup?

Ernol. Can't start Torrey over Calvin, Julio, Green, Demaryius, Jeffrey, or Patterson.....

If you told me Torrey would score right at about 200 for the next 5 years in PPR leagues, makes it a really easy decision to give up pick 11 for him. Plus it is entirely possible he could improve some, he could get more targets, and score better in the following years.

 

[EBF]

I think Torrey has slipped into Mike Wallace/Stevie Johnson/Mike Williams territory where people have realized that he's really just a #2 WR masquerading as a #1 because Baltimore doesn't have anything better. I think guys like Adams/Robinson/Moncrief/Beckham might have a similar destiny, so it's not necessarily a horrible thing to cash out the pick for the older version of that kind of talent. However, I think you miss that sell high window where the guy is still a nebulous young prospect fresh on the scene who may or may not have top 10 upside, and thus can convince people to overpay based on the idea that he might become a bona fide star and not just another "meh" depth player. After Torrey's rookie year, you could've argued that he had Pro Bowl upside. After three years, it seems like a stretch.

Thus, even if I knew that Moncrief and Robinson were headed for the same fate, I might prefer them simply because when they first show signs of potential, people will be far more likely to think they can be great (and pay accordingly) than they might with a guy like Smith or Wallace who now look proven mediocrities. I basically feel the same way about Maclin, although maybe he can have a career year in that scheme. It seems to suit him well.

Nothing wrong with a useful depth player. You sacrifice some upside though.

Kind of hard to call a guy that has consistently finished as a WR2 "depth" IMO, assuming 40+ weekly WR starters league wide which is fairly typical (12 teams starting 3 WRs plus a flex). How many teams in a typical 12 teamer can't find a place for WR22 / WR23 in their weekly lineup?

That would be a better argument if past production was immune to change. Obviously we know that's not the case. Just because you scored X points last year doesn't guarantee anything for the future. Things change quickly in FF. If you get a shot to be a #1 WR and you don't deliver, there's no guarantee that the team is going to keep feeding you the ball. Look at what happened with Mike Williams and Stevie Johnson. The Bucs brought in Vincent Jackson. The Bills drafted Robert Woods and Marquise Goodwin. Now you look at those two receivers and it's tougher to assume that they're going to keep getting the same slice of the pie. I think Torrey will be at risk of the same thing. He's not an ideal #1 option, so he'll always be at risk of getting pipped by his teammates.

In fairness to Torrey, he did his damage in 2012 without a huge number of targets. He only had 110, which isn't that many. He had an absolutely pathetic conversion rate, but he still managed to be productive because his YPR was so high. He's a horrible possession WR, but when he catches the ball it's usually a big play. So he doesn't necessarily need a high number of targets to have some level of utility.

Last year he was thrust into more of a true #1 role and the results were mixed. His yardage wasn't terrible. Once again though, his conversion rate was pathetic. He caught less than 50% of his targets. To put into perspective how bad he was, his conversion rate was the lowest in football of any of the 40+ pass catchers who had at least 100 targets last season. So while he's okay at converting targets into yards, he's very bad at converting targets into catches. That makes him a boom-or-bust proposition as an NFL player. I don't think the Ravens are going to feel like they're set at WR because they have Torrey Smith. I think he showed last season that he's not really a #1 NFL WR.

I'd compare him to guys like Pierre Garcon, TY Hilton, and Mike Wallace. They can have a great year if the stars align, but in FF terms they should be viewed as WR2-WR3 types. And if the situation dips at all, they can go from being really useful to really mediocre almost overnight (like Wallace and like what I think could happen with Garcon if he doesn't get a million targets every season).

There are different schools of thought on draft picks and strategy in general. If you just need a useful supplementary piece for your lineup, I don't think there's anything "wrong" with going after a player like this. On the other hand, it's "settling" for a modest gain when you could potentially work that draft spot to turn a much bigger profit. Different strokes for different folks.

 

[loose circuits]

12 team PPR start QRWT+4flex

Year 2014 Draft Pick 2.04

Year 2014 Draft Pick 3.09

for

Maclin, Jeremy PHI WR

If Desean goes and Maclin ends up WR1 there someone is going to seriously regret this deal

 

[maxhyde]

12 team PPR start QRWT+4flex

Year 2014 Draft Pick 2.04

Year 2014 Draft Pick 3.09

for

Maclin, Jeremy PHI WR

If Desean goes and Maclin ends up WR1 there someone is going to seriously regret this deal

...and if Maclin doesn't recover 100% from his knee injuries or loses a step there will be regret on the other side.

2.04 and 3.09 is pretty good for a guy who really never looked like more than a complementary guy to me.

 

[ghostguy123]

12 team PPR start QRWT+4flex

Year 2014 Draft Pick 2.04

Year 2014 Draft Pick 3.09

for

Maclin, Jeremy PHI WR

If Desean goes and Maclin ends up WR1 there someone is going to seriously regret this deal

...and if Maclin doesn't recover 100% from his knee injuries or loses a step there will be regret on the other side.

2.04 and 3.09 is pretty good for a guy who really never looked like more than a complementary guy to me.

I would like to get Maclin for that. Thinking about offering 22 and 24 for him in a league, but pretty sure it will get rejected.

 

[cstu]

12 team PPR start QRWT+4flex

Year 2014 Draft Pick 2.04

Year 2014 Draft Pick 3.09

for

Maclin, Jeremy PHI WR

If Desean goes and Maclin ends up WR1 there someone is going to seriously regret this deal

...and if Maclin doesn't recover 100% from his knee injuries or loses a step there will be regret on the other side.

2.04 and 3.09 is pretty good for a guy who really never looked like more than a complementary guy to me.

I would like to get Maclin for that. Thinking about offering 22 and 24 for him in a league, but pretty sure it will get rejected.

I tried to sell Maclin for more than a 2.02 and couldn't do it. Glad I held on.

 

[djmich]

Shane Vereen + Bernard Pierce + Marquis Goodwin for Antonio Brown + rookie #15.

10 team

Requirements: 1QB, 2RB, 4WR, 1 Flex, 1 TE, 3DL, 3LB, 3DB, 2 Flex D

Scoring: .1/yard, 6/TD, .25/carry, .5/catch for RB, .75/catch for WR,

I like Vereen, but not at that price.

I thought so, too, but the scoring is weird. I've never played in the format, or anything like it, really. Those carry points might push Pierce and Vereen up a good deal.

I'd think that that format devalues Vereen hugely -- .5 less / catch and the .25 / carry allows the 150 carry scrubs like Mendenhall and Daniel Thomas to make up a bunch of ground on a receiving specialist.

Yep, it's a "PPR" league so people tend to use PPR rankings, but the points per carry really move a guy like Vereen down in value even further than a standard. Good opportunity for arbitrage.

 

[slackjawedyokel]

Lamar Miller with a 2% cap contract and a 1.16 for a 1.4 pick. It's in a PPR 16 team league. Contract limit is 10 players and I am at 9, so shipping Lamar Miller frees up a contract spot for one of my 4 1st round picks (which the 1.16 would improve to 1.4 if the deal is accepted).

ETA clarity on the picks.

 

[loose circuits]

12 team PPR. I Offer 3.02 & 3.04 for Britt. Dude countered with Britt for my future 2- DONE! Figure I can get a future 2 during draft just for 3.02

Also figured why not take the risk

 

[jmo87usc]

Gave:

Arian Foster

Dennis Johnson

Received:

Ben Tate

Bernard Pierce

Pick 1.09

Feels like decent value with Foster coming off back injury and change in Coach and QB. Still hard to trade away a 27 year old who led the league three years prior to last.

 

[squistion]

Gave:

Arian Foster

Dennis Johnson

Received:

Ben Tate

Bernard Pierce

Pick 1.09

Feels like decent value with Foster coming off back injury and change in Coach and QB. Still hard to trade away a 27 year old who led the league three years prior to last.

Considering the injury, it wouldn't have been that hard for me, with getting Tate, Pierce, plus the pick in return.

 

[Ernol]

Gave:

Arian Foster

Dennis Johnson

Received:

Ben Tate

Bernard Pierce

Pick 1.09

Feels like decent value with Foster coming off back injury and change in Coach and QB. Still hard to trade away a 27 year old who led the league three years prior to last.

Considering the injury, it wouldn't have been that hard for me, with getting Tate, Pierce, plus the pick in return.

Plus, "27 year old" when describing a RB, is not a positive. Tate/Pierce/1.09 for me as well.

 

[cstu]

Gave:

Arian Foster

Dennis Johnson

Received:

Ben Tate

Bernard Pierce

Pick 1.09

Feels like decent value with Foster coming off back injury and change in Coach and QB. Still hard to trade away a 27 year old who led the league three years prior to last.

Considering the injury, it wouldn't have been that hard for me, with getting Tate, Pierce, plus the pick in return.

Plus, "27 year old" when describing a RB, is not a positive. Tate/Pierce/1.09 for me as well.

I'm more optimistic about Foster than most but I'll take that side rather easily as well.

 

[ghostguy123]

That is a ripoff being able to get that kind of value out of foster.

Foster for Tate straight up seems like it would be about right.

Really really easy accept for the guy dealing away foster.

 

[S^2]

TE Premium, 60 year cap,

Andre Johnson, 3 years left on contract

for

Pick 1.05

 

[maxhyde]

TE Premium, 60 year cap,

Andre Johnson, 3 years left on contract

for

Pick 1.05

1.05 for me

 

[maxhyde]

Gave:

Arian Foster

Dennis Johnson

Received:

Ben Tate

Bernard Pierce

Pick 1.09

Feels like decent value with Foster coming off back injury and change in Coach and QB. Still hard to trade away a 27 year old who led the league three years prior to last.

Considering the injury, it wouldn't have been that hard for me, with getting Tate, Pierce, plus the pick in return.

Plus, "27 year old" when describing a RB, is not a positive. Tate/Pierce/1.09 for me as well.

I'm more optimistic about Foster than most but I'll take that side rather easily as well.

Yeah me too

 

[az_prof]

I think Torrey has slipped into Mike Wallace/Stevie Johnson/Mike Williams territory where people have realized that he's really just a #2 WR masquerading as a #1 because Baltimore doesn't have anything better. I think guys like Adams/Robinson/Moncrief/Beckham might have a similar destiny, so it's not necessarily a horrible thing to cash out the pick for the older version of that kind of talent. However, I think you miss that sell high window where the guy is still a nebulous young prospect fresh on the scene who may or may not have top 10 upside, and thus can convince people to overpay based on the idea that he might become a bona fide star and not just another "meh" depth player. After Torrey's rookie year, you could've argued that he had Pro Bowl upside. After three years, it seems like a stretch.

Thus, even if I knew that Moncrief and Robinson were headed for the same fate, I might prefer them simply because when they first show signs of potential, people will be far more likely to think they can be great (and pay accordingly) than they might with a guy like Smith or Wallace who now look proven mediocrities. I basically feel the same way about Maclin, although maybe he can have a career year in that scheme. It seems to suit him well.

Nothing wrong with a useful depth player. You sacrifice some upside though.

I totally agree with this. Torrey is one of those good--not great players. He is really a WR2 or a WR3 and will never be elite. Never. Frankly, he is not the kind of player I want on my dynasty team.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

I think Torrey has slipped into Mike Wallace/Stevie Johnson/Mike Williams territory where people have realized that he's really just a #2 WR masquerading as a #1 because Baltimore doesn't have anything better. I think guys like Adams/Robinson/Moncrief/Beckham might have a similar destiny, so it's not necessarily a horrible thing to cash out the pick for the older version of that kind of talent. However, I think you miss that sell high window where the guy is still a nebulous young prospect fresh on the scene who may or may not have top 10 upside, and thus can convince people to overpay based on the idea that he might become a bona fide star and not just another "meh" depth player. After Torrey's rookie year, you could've argued that he had Pro Bowl upside. After three years, it seems like a stretch.

Thus, even if I knew that Moncrief and Robinson were headed for the same fate, I might prefer them simply because when they first show signs of potential, people will be far more likely to think they can be great (and pay accordingly) than they might with a guy like Smith or Wallace who now look proven mediocrities. I basically feel the same way about Maclin, although maybe he can have a career year in that scheme. It seems to suit him well.

Nothing wrong with a useful depth player. You sacrifice some upside though.

I totally agree with this. Torrey is one of those good--not great players. He is really a WR2 or a WR3 and will never be elite. Never. Frankly, he is not the kind of player I want on my dynasty team.

i agree with your premise Torrey will never be elite, but he's a pretty solid bet to be a top 15-30 FF WR for the next 5-8 years. In shallow leagues i really don't value him much, but in leagues with deep starting lineups he's a nice asset to have.

 

[loose circuits]

Interesting to hear perspectives. I wasn't involved.

Stills and Stacy

for

Andre Roberts

2015 1st (was 1.01 this year and probably will be again- top RB's Stacy, Jennings, Lat Murray WR's (Stills, Woods, and Terrance Williams top 3) and TE's (Chandler?) very weak, decent at Qb (Romo, Rivers)

2015 1st (somewhere in the middle probably, good probability for playoffs)

2015 2nd (somewhere in the middle probably, good probability for playoffs)

 

[maxhyde]

Interesting to hear perspectives. I wasn't involved.

Stills and Stacy

for

Andre Roberts

2015 1st (was 1.01 this year and probably will be again- top RB's Stacy, Jennings, Lat Murray WR's (Stills, Woods, and Terrance Williams top 3) and TE's (Chandler?) very weak, decent at Qb (Romo, Rivers)

2015 1st (somewhere in the middle probably, good probability for playoffs)

2015 2nd (somewhere in the middle probably, good probability for playoffs)

3 2015 1sts for Stacy and Stills?

Picks for me by a fair margin

 

[loose circuits]

Interesting to hear perspectives. I wasn't involved.

Stills and Stacy

for

Andre Roberts

2015 1st (was 1.01 this year and probably will be again- top RB's Stacy, Jennings, Lat Murray WR's (Stills, Woods, and Terrance Williams top 3) and TE's (Chandler?) very weak, decent at Qb (Romo, Rivers)

2015 1st (somewhere in the middle probably, good probability for playoffs)

2015 2nd (somewhere in the middle probably, good probability for playoffs)

3 2015 1sts for Stacy and Stills?Picks for me by a fair margin

2 1st and a 2nd, one of those 1st likely 1.01-1.03 at worst. Team also had 2 other 1sts that were projected playoff teams that they could have moved rather than giving up what will likely be Gurley

 

[msudaisy26]

Interesting to hear perspectives. I wasn't involved.

Stills and Stacy

for

Andre Roberts

2015 1st (was 1.01 this year and probably will be again- top RB's Stacy, Jennings, Lat Murray WR's (Stills, Woods, and Terrance Williams top 3) and TE's (Chandler?) very weak, decent at Qb (Romo, Rivers)

2015 1st (somewhere in the middle probably, good probability for playoffs)

2015 2nd (somewhere in the middle probably, good probability for playoffs)

3 2015 1sts for Stacy and Stills?Picks for me by a fair margin

2 1st and a 2nd, one of those 1st likely 1.01-1.03 at worst. Team also had 2 other 1sts that were projected playoff teams that they could have moved rather than giving up what will likely be Gurley

Pretty easy to see why this owner is picking in the top 3 every year

 

[ghostguy123]

Yeah really. Who uses their own very likely high future picks to try and rebuild, and on top of it trades for a RB. And not even an elite talent RB.

 

[coolnerd]

1/1/1/1/1 (4 flex) def PPR

Team A

Andre Johnson

2.12

Team B

1.13

2.05

 

[cstu]

Interesting to hear perspectives. I wasn't involved.

Stills and Stacy

for

Andre Roberts

2015 1st (was 1.01 this year and probably will be again- top RB's Stacy, Jennings, Lat Murray WR's (Stills, Woods, and Terrance Williams top 3) and TE's (Chandler?) very weak, decent at Qb (Romo, Rivers)

2015 1st (somewhere in the middle probably, good probability for playoffs)

2015 2nd (somewhere in the middle probably, good probability for playoffs)

I would be tempted to quit a league with an owner like that.

 

[One More Rep]

Interesting to hear perspectives. I wasn't involved.

Stills and Stacy

for

Andre Roberts

2015 1st (was 1.01 this year and probably will be again- top RB's Stacy, Jennings, Lat Murray WR's (Stills, Woods, and Terrance Williams top 3) and TE's (Chandler?) very weak, decent at Qb (Romo, Rivers)

2015 1st (somewhere in the middle probably, good probability for playoffs)

2015 2nd (somewhere in the middle probably, good probability for playoffs)

3 2015 1sts for Stacy and Stills?

Picks for me by a fair margin

Me too that is crazy

 

[One More Rep]

1/1/1/1/1 (4 flex) def PPR

Team A

Andre Johnson

2.12

Team B

1.13

2.05

If I needed a wr to make a run give me AJ and if not the picks would work

 

[maxhyde]

1/1/1/1/1 (4 flex) def PPR

Team A

Andre Johnson

2.12

Team B

1.13

2.05

Unless I was in a teardown rebuild I would take Johnson in this one

 

[ghostguy123]

It's weird. Every year when really good but older WRs (like Andre, White, WAyne from a few years ago.....) get traded for like a late 1st or eary 2nd, so many people always say "i'll take the pick, he is over the hill", or something to that effect.

Meanwhile, I have ZERO CHANCE of getting any of these older but still productive WRs around age 31 or so for a late 1st. This is 5 dynasty leagues with maybe only a couple of the same owners spread throughout all of them. Zero chance.

Weird phenomenon.

 

[bengalbuck]

My one league is great, 16 trades this week with a bunch of different teams involved...

12 team PPR (1.5 for TEs)

1/2/3/1, 1 flex

(Note: We have 12 "draft eligible" devys in each rookie draft, so you will see some 2014 rookies involved in some trades. The draft picks are about equal in value to a normal league because the available devys cancel out the 12 incoming rookies already owned.)

Here's the 16 trades:

1. H gave up Peterson, Adrian MIN RB;Colston, Marques NOS WR

Y gave up Stacy, Zac STL RB;Maclin, Jeremy PHI WR

2. D gave up Dalton, Andy CIN QB;Chiefs, Kansas City KCC Def; Year 2014 Draft Pick 4.06

Y gave up Woods, Robert BUF WR; Year 2014 Draft Pick 6.05

3. S gave up Manning, Peyton DEN QB; Year 2014 Draft Pick 1.12

D gave up Evans, Mike FA WR

4. C gave up Manuel, E.J. BUF QB;Sanders, Ace JAC WR;Watkins, Sammy FA WR

S gave up Nelson, Jordy GBP WR; Year 2014 Draft Pick 2.02; Year 2015 Round 2 Draft Pick from S

5. H gave up Year 2014 Draft Pick 1.12

S gave up Welker, Wes DEN WR

6. S gave up Fitzgerald, Larry ARI WR

O gave up Rogers, Da'Rick IND WR; Year 2014 Draft Pick 2.02

7. S gave up Lynch, Marshawn SEA RB

H gave up Nelson, Jordy GBP WR

8. H gave up Tannehill, Ryan MIA QB; Year 2014 Draft Pick 1.08

O gave up Rivers, Philip SDC QB; Year 2014 Draft Pick 1.10

9. S gave up Decker, Eric NYJ WR

Y gave up Year 2014 Draft Pick 1.09

10. C gave up Bridgewater, Teddy FA QB;Graham, Jimmy NOS TE; Year 2014 Draft Pick 1.09

Y gave up Jeffery, Alshon CHI WR; Year 2014 Draft Pick 1.04;Year 2014 Draft Pick 1.05;Year 2014 Draft Pick 1.07

11. H gave up Sanders, Emmanuel DEN WR

O gave up Wallace, Mike MIA WR

12. D gave up Moreno, Knowshon DEN RB;Cameron, Jordan CLE TE

Y gave up Murray, Latavius OAK RB;Green, Ladarius SDC TE; Year 2014 Draft Pick 1.11

13. D gave up Sproles, Darren PHI RB;Gordon, Josh CLE WR;Reed, Jordan WAS TE

M gave up Murray, DeMarco DAL RB;Evans, Mike FA WR;Wright, Kendall TEN WR;Griffin, Ryan HOU TE

14. C gave up McFadden, Darren OAK RB;Bowe, Dwayne KCC WR

D gave up Rice, Ray BAL RB

15. C gave up Newton, Cam CAR QB;McCoy, LeSean PHI RB

M gave up Brees, Drew NOS QB;Charles, Jamaal KCC RB

16. C gave up Green, A.J. CIN WR;Marshall, Brandon CHI WR

A gave up Cobb, Randall GBP WR;Jones, Julio ATL WR

 

[DevilDog919]

PPR

Gave:

Andrew Luck

Ray Rice

Kenny Britt

1.07

1.09

3.07

Received:

Lesean McCoy

Darren Sproles

Seattle DEF

Have a win-now team with Drew Brees, Lesean McCoy, Arian Foster, Ben Tate, Calvin Johnson, Victor Cruz, Percy Harvin, Julius Thomas, and SEA DEF as my starting lineup. Traded depth players to upgrade Rice to McCoy and Sproles, and also my DEF.

 

[ghostguy123]

PPR

Gave:

Andrew Luck

Ray Rice

Kenny Britt

1.07

1.09

3.07

Received:

Lesean McCoy

Darren Sproles

Seattle DEF

Have a win-now team with Drew Brees, Lesean McCoy, Arian Foster, Ben Tate, Calvin Johnson, Victor Cruz, Percy Harvin, Julius Thomas, and SEA DEF as my starting lineup. Traded depth players to upgrade Rice to McCoy and Sproles, and also my DEF.

Seems like too much to give, but a title makes it sting far less if it works out.

 

[DevilDog919]

PPR

Gave:

Andrew Luck

Ray Rice

Kenny Britt

1.07

1.09

3.07

Received:

Lesean McCoy

Darren Sproles

Seattle DEF

Have a win-now team with Drew Brees, Lesean McCoy, Arian Foster, Ben Tate, Calvin Johnson, Victor Cruz, Percy Harvin, Julius Thomas, and SEA DEF as my starting lineup. Traded depth players to upgrade Rice to McCoy and Sproles, and also my DEF.

Seems like too much to give, but a title makes it sting far less if it works out.

Might be if Rice rebounds or Britt gets his head on straight. Definitely has huge potential to be a trade I regret, couldn't pass getting McCoy though.

 

[loose circuits]

Interesting to hear perspectives. I wasn't involved.

Stills and Stacy

for

Andre Roberts

2015 1st (was 1.01 this year and probably will be again- top RB's Stacy, Jennings, Lat Murray WR's (Stills, Woods, and Terrance Williams top 3) and TE's (Chandler?) very weak, decent at Qb (Romo, Rivers)

2015 1st (somewhere in the middle probably, good probability for playoffs)

2015 2nd (somewhere in the middle probably, good probability for playoffs)

I would be tempted to quit a league with an owner like that.

I'm not going anywhere because my team was undefeated until championship, but the worst part is the guy getting the picks is the returning champ

 

[JackReacher]

Interesting to hear perspectives. I wasn't involved.

Stills and Stacy

for

Andre Roberts

2015 1st (was 1.01 this year and probably will be again- top RB's Stacy, Jennings, Lat Murray WR's (Stills, Woods, and Terrance Williams top 3) and TE's (Chandler?) very weak, decent at Qb (Romo, Rivers)

2015 1st (somewhere in the middle probably, good probability for playoffs)

2015 2nd (somewhere in the middle probably, good probability for playoffs)

I would be tempted to quit a league with an owner like that.

Not a fan of Stacy's talent, but leave the league? C'mon cstu

 

[Ernol]

Interesting to hear perspectives. I wasn't involved.

Stills and Stacy

for

Andre Roberts

2015 1st (was 1.01 this year and probably will be again- top RB's Stacy, Jennings, Lat Murray WR's (Stills, Woods, and Terrance Williams top 3) and TE's (Chandler?) very weak, decent at Qb (Romo, Rivers)

2015 1st (somewhere in the middle probably, good probability for playoffs)

2015 2nd (somewhere in the middle probably, good probability for playoffs)

I would be tempted to quit a league with an owner like that.

Not a fan of Stacy's talent, but leave the league? C'mon cstu

I'd prefer the picks, but not outrageous imo. Stacy is fetching good value right now in some leagues and probably should given his age and production.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

PPR

Gave:

Andrew Luck

Ray Rice

Kenny Britt

1.07

1.09

3.07

Received:

Lesean McCoy

Darren Sproles

Seattle DEF

Have a win-now team with Drew Brees, Lesean McCoy, Arian Foster, Ben Tate, Calvin Johnson, Victor Cruz, Percy Harvin, Julius Thomas, and SEA DEF as my starting lineup. Traded depth players to upgrade Rice to McCoy and Sproles, and also my DEF.

pretty awful IMO. I have McCoy as the #1 dynasty RB but no way i give up all that for any player.

 

[loose circuits]

PPR

Gave:

Andrew Luck

Ray Rice

Kenny Britt

1.07

1.09

3.07

Received:

Lesean McCoy

Darren Sproles

Seattle DEF

Have a win-now team with Drew Brees, Lesean McCoy, Arian Foster, Ben Tate, Calvin Johnson, Victor Cruz, Percy Harvin, Julius Thomas, and SEA DEF as my starting lineup. Traded depth players to upgrade Rice to McCoy and Sproles, and also my DEF.

pretty awful IMO. I have McCoy as the #1 dynasty RB but no way i give up all that for any player.

really isn't that much. Luck is the only sure thing and even then he wasn't that great last year

 

[ghostguy123]

pretty awful IMO. I have McCoy as the #1 dynasty RB but no way i give up all that for any player.

really isn't that much. Luck is the only sure thing and even then he wasn't that great last year

Luck was pretty darn great all things considered. And just because picks aren't sure things doesnt mean they dont have a lot of value. Players arent sure things either, not even Mccoy. Is he more of a sure thing? yes, but he still isnt a sure thing.

I wouldnt trade that much for Mccoy either

 

[DevilDog919]

PPR

Gave:

Andrew Luck

Ray Rice

Kenny Britt

1.07

1.09

3.07

Received:

Lesean McCoy

Darren Sproles

Seattle DEF

Have a win-now team with Drew Brees, Lesean McCoy, Arian Foster, Ben Tate, Calvin Johnson, Victor Cruz, Percy Harvin, Julius Thomas, and SEA DEF as my starting lineup. Traded depth players to upgrade Rice to McCoy and Sproles, and also my DEF.

pretty awful IMO. I have McCoy as the #1 dynasty RB but no way i give up all that for any player.

Other than Andrew Luck, I don't feel that I gave up anything truly significant. I got the best player in the deal by far, and also upgraded backup RB and defense spots without trading away anyone in my starting lineup.

I did give alot of value though. If Ray Rice or Kenny Britt return to previous year's form, I could lose out on this trade. In my win-now team, I value Sproles and Rice about the same. I look at it as I gave up Luck, 1.07, 1.09, and 3.07 for McCoy and Seattle Defense. Since I have Brees and didn't really need the depth of the picks on my team, I feel pretty happy about the trade.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

PPR

Gave:

Andrew Luck

Ray Rice

Kenny Britt

1.07

1.09

3.07

Received:

Lesean McCoy

Darren Sproles

Seattle DEF

Have a win-now team with Drew Brees, Lesean McCoy, Arian Foster, Ben Tate, Calvin Johnson, Victor Cruz, Percy Harvin, Julius Thomas, and SEA DEF as my starting lineup. Traded depth players to upgrade Rice to McCoy and Sproles, and also my DEF.

pretty awful IMO. I have McCoy as the #1 dynasty RB but no way i give up all that for any player.

really isn't that much. Luck is the only sure thing and even then he wasn't that great last year

i guess that's one way to look at it. Luck is a staple for the next 10 years and should be a lot better with more weapons and experience (he didn't have 2 solid players in allen/wayne last year plus he picked up Nicks).

rice is probably worth a mid-late 1st, so basically 3 mid 1sts in a deep class in addition to Luck for McCoy. As much as i like McCoy that is just a huge investment in one piece and going all-in on one player sacrificing that much future value is too risky IMO.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

PPR

Gave:

Andrew Luck

Ray Rice

Kenny Britt

1.07

1.09

3.07

Received:

Lesean McCoy

Darren Sproles

Seattle DEF

Have a win-now team with Drew Brees, Lesean McCoy, Arian Foster, Ben Tate, Calvin Johnson, Victor Cruz, Percy Harvin, Julius Thomas, and SEA DEF as my starting lineup. Traded depth players to upgrade Rice to McCoy and Sproles, and also my DEF.

pretty awful IMO. I have McCoy as the #1 dynasty RB but no way i give up all that for any player.

Other than Andrew Luck, I don't feel that I gave up anything truly significant. I got the best player in the deal by far, and also upgraded backup RB and defense spots without trading away anyone in my starting lineup.

I did give alot of value though. If Ray Rice or Kenny Britt return to previous year's form, I could lose out on this trade. In my win-now team, I value Sproles and Rice about the same. I look at it as I gave up Luck, 1.07, 1.09, and 3.07 for McCoy and Seattle Defense. Since I have Brees and didn't really need the depth of the picks on my team, I feel pretty happy about the trade.

Maybe i value Luck too much, but i think in he's golden in dynasty. Plus those 1.07 and 1.09 picks have a lot of value in this rookie draft.

If McCoy wins you a couple titles over the next few years it could work out though, so it's not like the trade can't end up working, just not the type of going for broke deal i like doing.

 

[DevilDog919]

PPR

Gave:

Andrew Luck

Ray Rice

Kenny Britt

1.07

1.09

3.07

Received:

Lesean McCoy

Darren Sproles

Seattle DEF

Have a win-now team with Drew Brees, Lesean McCoy, Arian Foster, Ben Tate, Calvin Johnson, Victor Cruz, Percy Harvin, Julius Thomas, and SEA DEF as my starting lineup. Traded depth players to upgrade Rice to McCoy and Sproles, and also my DEF.

pretty awful IMO. I have McCoy as the #1 dynasty RB but no way i give up all that for any player.

Other than Andrew Luck, I don't feel that I gave up anything truly significant. I got the best player in the deal by far, and also upgraded backup RB and defense spots without trading away anyone in my starting lineup.

I did give alot of value though. If Ray Rice or Kenny Britt return to previous year's form, I could lose out on this trade. In my win-now team, I value Sproles and Rice about the same. I look at it as I gave up Luck, 1.07, 1.09, and 3.07 for McCoy and Seattle Defense. Since I have Brees and didn't really need the depth of the picks on my team, I feel pretty happy about the trade.

Maybe i value Luck too much, but i think in he's golden in dynasty. Plus those 1.07 and 1.09 picks have a lot of value in this rookie draft.

If McCoy wins you a couple titles over the next few years it could work out though, so it's not like the trade can't end up working, just not the type of going for broke deal i like doing.

I value Luck pretty highly too, but QB's are pretty easy to trade for and I'd start Brees over Luck for the next 1-3 years anyway. Those 1.07 and 1.09 picks may or may not hit, either way my team was pretty deep and I didn't need the extra depth.

I'm pushing "potential" future players out for a shot at some money for the next 2-3 years. Having Brees, McCoy, and Calvin as my QB, RB1, and WR1 gives me huge PPG advantages for the next few years. Plus, as mentioned earlier, the rest of my core is Arian Foster / Victor Cruz / Percy Harvin / Ben Tate / Darren Sproles / Justin Hunter / Julius Thomas / Antonio Gates.

Gotta make moves to win leagues at some point, not just stockpile depth every year.

 

[maxhyde]

PPR

Gave:

Andrew Luck

Ray Rice

Kenny Britt

1.07

1.09

3.07

Received:

Lesean McCoy

Darren Sproles

Seattle DEF

Have a win-now team with Drew Brees, Lesean McCoy, Arian Foster, Ben Tate, Calvin Johnson, Victor Cruz, Percy Harvin, Julius Thomas, and SEA DEF as my starting lineup. Traded depth players to upgrade Rice to McCoy and Sproles, and also my DEF.

pretty awful IMO. I have McCoy as the #1 dynasty RB but no way i give up all that for any player.

Other than Andrew Luck, I don't feel that I gave up anything truly significant. I got the best player in the deal by far, and also upgraded backup RB and defense spots without trading away anyone in my starting lineup.

I did give alot of value though. If Ray Rice or Kenny Britt return to previous year's form, I could lose out on this trade. In my win-now team, I value Sproles and Rice about the same. I look at it as I gave up Luck, 1.07, 1.09, and 3.07 for McCoy and Seattle Defense. Since I have Brees and didn't really need the depth of the picks on my team, I feel pretty happy about the trade.

Maybe i value Luck too much, but i think in he's golden in dynasty. Plus those 1.07 and 1.09 picks have a lot of value in this rookie draft.

If McCoy wins you a couple titles over the next few years it could work out though, so it's not like the trade can't end up working, just not the type of going for broke deal i like doing.

I value Luck pretty highly too, but QB's are pretty easy to trade for and I'd start Brees over Luck for the next 1-3 years anyway. Those 1.07 and 1.09 picks may or may not hit, either way my team was pretty deep and I didn't need the extra depth.

I'm pushing "potential" future players out for a shot at some money for the next 2-3 years. Having Brees, McCoy, and Calvin as my QB, RB1, and WR1 gives me huge PPG advantages for the next few years. Plus, as mentioned earlier, the rest of my core is Arian Foster / Victor Cruz / Percy Harvin / Ben Tate / Darren Sproles / Justin Hunter / Julius Thomas / Antonio Gates.

Gotta make moves to win leagues at some point, not just stockpile depth every year.

Have to say I think landing McCoy without giving up a starter is a pretty slick move.

May have given up alot but depth for the RB1 is a pretty solid move

 

[Dr. Octopus]

PPR

Gave:

Andrew Luck

Ray Rice

Kenny Britt

1.07

1.09

3.07

Received:

Lesean McCoy

Darren Sproles

Seattle DEF

Have a win-now team with Drew Brees, Lesean McCoy, Arian Foster, Ben Tate, Calvin Johnson, Victor Cruz, Percy Harvin, Julius Thomas, and SEA DEF as my starting lineup. Traded depth players to upgrade Rice to McCoy and Sproles, and also my DEF.

pretty awful IMO. I have McCoy as the #1 dynasty RB but no way i give up all that for any player.

"all that" could start to look like "not much" if last season was the start of Rice's downfall (not to mention his legal woes), Kenny Britt never regains form, and either one of those first round picks bust.

 

[ghostguy123]

\"all that" could start to look like "not much" if last season was the start of Rice's downfall (not to mention his legal woes), Kenny Britt never regains form, and either one of those first round picks bust.

I don't mind giving up a haul like that for a player, just not a RB