*** OFFICIAL *** 13/14 Off-Season Dynasty Trade Thread (5 Viewers)

[ConnSKINS26]

Plenty of WRs in this draft who can run a fly route. Moncrief or Bryant would look good catching bombs from Foles.

As for the deal, the devy pick helps offset the upside that you sacrifice going from Foles to Brees.

I'd back Brees to outscore Foles in redraft. On the other hand, I have a tough time thinking Foles could have been so successful as a total fluke.

That's where I'm at. I have a hard time seeing it as a mirage, I think Kelly/Foles are for real. But the devy is worth a lot since we only have one round per year and that balanced it out for me.

 

[cdubz]

12t ppr

B Tate and 2015 2nd

For

Alf

I can see both sides but I like Alf, even in PPR, for health reasons.

I'd take the other side, if only because it would be the first step in divesting from Alf. That Browns line isn't bad and if they nab Robinson at #4, watch out.

 

[ghostguy123]

Plenty of WRs in this draft who can run a fly route. Moncrief or Bryant would look good catching bombs from Foles.

As for the deal, the devy pick helps offset the upside that you sacrifice going from Foles to Brees.

I'd back Brees to outscore Foles in redraft. On the other hand, I have a tough time thinking Foles could have been so successful as a total fluke.

That's where I'm at. I have a hard time seeing it as a mirage, I think Kelly/Foles are for real. But the devy is worth a lot since we only have one round per year and that balanced it out for me.

I think you guys are kind of underrating what Djax did last year, and overestimating what some rookie will step in and accomplish (outside of the top end talents of course).

Foles is definitely really good, but Djax leaving will also definitely bring his numbers down from where they would have been.

In redraft, yeah I think Brees outscores him, but not by more than 1-2 points a game.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

I'm a Foles believer but I think it would be amazing if Foles stayed within 1-2 PPG of Brees this year, without DJax.

 

[loose circuits]

Plenty of WRs in this draft who can run a fly route. Moncrief or Bryant would look good catching bombs from Foles.

As for the deal, the devy pick helps offset the upside that you sacrifice going from Foles to Brees.

I'd back Brees to outscore Foles in redraft. On the other hand, I have a tough time thinking Foles could have been so successful as a total fluke.

That's where I'm at. I have a hard time seeing it as a mirage, I think Kelly/Foles are for real. But the devy is worth a lot since we only have one round per year and that balanced it out for me.

I think you guys are kind of underrating what Djax did last year, and overestimating what some rookie will step in and accomplish (outside of the top end talents of course).

Foles is definitely really good, but Djax leaving will also definitely bring his numbers down from where they would have been.

In redraft, yeah I think Brees outscores him, but not by more than 1-2 points a game.

considering Foles didn't spend the off season as a full-time starter and he will also be in his 2nd year in the system with a much better understanding. Wouldn't those almost outweigh the loss of a one trick pony that can't go over the middle?

 

[ghostguy123]

Plenty of WRs in this draft who can run a fly route. Moncrief or Bryant would look good catching bombs from Foles.

As for the deal, the devy pick helps offset the upside that you sacrifice going from Foles to Brees.

I'd back Brees to outscore Foles in redraft. On the other hand, I have a tough time thinking Foles could have been so successful as a total fluke.

That's where I'm at. I have a hard time seeing it as a mirage, I think Kelly/Foles are for real. But the devy is worth a lot since we only have one round per year and that balanced it out for me.

I think you guys are kind of underrating what Djax did last year, and overestimating what some rookie will step in and accomplish (outside of the top end talents of course).

Foles is definitely really good, but Djax leaving will also definitely bring his numbers down from where they would have been.

In redraft, yeah I think Brees outscores him, but not by more than 1-2 points a game.

considering Foles didn't spend the off season as a full-time starter and he will also be in his 2nd year in the system with a much better understanding. Wouldn't those almost outweigh the loss of a one trick pony that can't go over the middle?

I also think opposing teams will have more preparation to face the system and also Foles. Gotta factor that in also.

Djax did catch a good amount of short passes also, at least he was whenever I was watching. Losing him will hurt.

Gaining maclin should help though.

But I dropped Foles a bit when djax left.

 

[BWill]

Would you make this deal?

• Cellar Dwellers offers
  Johnson, Stevie BUF WR
  Year 2014 Round 1 Draft Pick from BOHICA!
  Year 2014 Round 4 Draft Pick from Jesse Pinkman
  Year 2014 Round 4 Draft Pick from The Burglar's
  Year 2014 Round 5 Draft Pick from TEABAGGED!
  
• B-WizZle for
  Britt, Kenny TEN WR
  Toilolo, Levine ATL TE
  Year 2016 Round 1 Draft Pick from The Burglar's
  
  Bohicas pick is 28 overall... Burglars could be anywhere from 5-12 to low/late 20s.
  
  IMO, I should ask for a better pick, or two. If Britt goes to the right place, even the Bills, hes pushing Stevie J for playing time.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Would you make this deal?

• Cellar Dwellers offersJohnson, Stevie BUF WRYear 2014 Round 1 Draft Pick from BOHICA!
  
  Year 2014 Round 4 Draft Pick from Jesse Pinkman
  
  Year 2014 Round 4 Draft Pick from The Burglar's
  
  Year 2014 Round 5 Draft Pick from TEABAGGED!
  
• B-WizZle forBritt, Kenny TEN WRToilolo, Levine ATL TEYear 2016 Round 1 Draft Pick from The Burglar's
  
  Bohicas pick is 28 overall... Burglars could be anywhere from 5-12 to low/late 20s.
  
  IMO, I should ask for a better pick, or two. If Britt goes to the right place, even the Bills, hes pushing Stevie J for playing time.
  

Don't ask for advice in this thread please.

But I don't see an incentive to trade a 2014 1st for a mystery 2016 1st. None of the other pieces are worth enough to justify doing this. Especially since Stevie Johnson might be worth more than Britt to begin with.

 

[MattFancy]

14-team devy PPR

Gave: 1.12

Received: Vereen

Think it's a solid deal with so many question marks at RB in this draft and guys like Watkins, Lee, Seastrunk (who I own), Carey, Thomas, ASJ are already gone so that 1.12 looks more like an early 2nd in this league.

 

[Bamac]

14-team devy PPR

Gave: 1.12

Received: Vereen

Think it's a solid deal with so many question marks at RB in this draft and guys like Watkins, Lee, Seastrunk (who I own), Carey, Thomas, ASJ are already gone so that 1.12 looks more like an early 2nd in this league.

Bargain for you. I've seen Vereen garner twice this value.

 

[JohnnyU]

Normally I would just post the actual trades, but I had to post this one because of how huge of a trade i would have been. I turned down Jamaal Charles for Tyler Eifert, Year 2014 Draft Pick 1.01;Year 2014 Draft Pick 1.03;Year 2014 Draft Pick 1.06; Year 2015 Round 1 Draft Pick . This is what you called getting carried away with super greediness.

 

[Pumpnick]

How many years of top level production do you see Charles having?

 

[bostonfred]

You just kept herschel walker

 

[jmo87usc]

Normally I would just post the actual trades, but I had to post this one because of how huge of a trade i would have been. I turned down Jamaal Charles for Tyler Eifert, Year 2014 Draft Pick 1.01;Year 2014 Draft Pick 1.03;Year 2014 Draft Pick 1.06; Year 2015 Round 1 Draft Pick . This is what you called getting carried away with super greediness.

Assuming you are the Eifert owner? If so, good that you declined that deal. Charles is great, but I would never pay that price for any RB unless it almost guaranteed me a championship. The risk is too great to lose out in that deal.

 

[JohnnyU]

How many years of top level production do you see Charles having?

Two, possibly three. He is 27, but IMO, all things being equal, smallish backs have a better chance at longer careers than big bruising backs. I just think that is entirely too much to give for one player. Actually, I prefer the 1.01 more than Charles even though Charles is worth a lot more than that. A fair trade would have been Eifert, the 1.01, and 1.09 for Charles, possibly the 1.06, but I would have reservations about that.

 

[Concept Coop]

14-team devy PPR

Gave: 1.12

Received: Vereen

Think it's a solid deal with so many question marks at RB in this draft and guys like Watkins, Lee, Seastrunk (who I own), Carey, Thomas, ASJ are already gone so that 1.12 looks more like an early 2nd in this league.

This is a really bad trade for the other guy. Very solid move. In my 14tm devy--I gave a 1.13 and a 2015 1st.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

12 team ppr QB / 2 RB / 3 WR / TE / FL

• Team A gave up Year 2014 Draft Pick 1.05; Year 2014 Draft Pick 1.07; Year 2014 Draft Pick 4.11
• Team B gave up Year 2014 Draft Pick 1.02; Year 2014 Draft Pick 2.05; Year 2014 Draft Pick 3.01

 

[MattFancy]

14-team devy PPR

Gave: 1.12

Received: Vereen

Think it's a solid deal with so many question marks at RB in this draft and guys like Watkins, Lee, Seastrunk (who I own), Carey, Thomas, ASJ are already gone so that 1.12 looks more like an early 2nd in this league.

This is a really bad trade for the other guy. Very solid move. In my 14tm devy--I gave a 1.13 and a 2015 1st.

Was glad he accepted. He loves to trade and seemed to be collecting picks, so figured it was worth a shot to offer.

Now my lineup looks like this:

Manning (Cutler, Flacco)

Vereen (Mathews, Seastrunk, Wilson, PThomas)

Marshall, Allen, Cruz, DJax (Marvin Jones)

VDavis (DAllen, Grffin, Toilolo)

Feel like I have nice depth across the board

 

[maxhyde]

Not involved in this one.

12 team devy league, ppr.

Team A gives: Calvin

Team B gives: Mike Wallace, 1.07, 1.09, 1.11 (again, devy league, so Watkins, lee, seastrunk, evans, etc are gone)

Calvin

 

[maxhyde]

14 team PPR Devy league. One round devy draft.

Gave:

Nick Foles

Got:

Drew Brees

2015 devy (late)

I am easily the Brees/pick side in this deal.

 

[The Real Yoda]

There is a QB Flex so you could say the late 1sts hold slightly more value since QB's go quick and better WR/RB/TE can fall as a result.

TEAM A gave up Nelson, Jordy GBP WR;Finley, Jermichael GBP TE; Year 2014 Draft Pick 1.09

TEAM B gave up Morris, Alfred WAS RB;Smith, Torrey BAL WR;Reed, Jordan WAS TE

 

[Skeletore Eh]

montee ball

for

2015 1st rounder

2015 2nd rounder

2015 3rd rounder

picks are from the same team, likely a playoff team

 

[Denver724]

montee ball

for

2015 1st rounder

2015 2nd rounder

2015 3rd rounder

picks are from the same team, likely a playoff team

Interesting. I am trying to get Ball in another league and the owner wants my 1.02, 1.04 and 1.05. I told him I would give him 1.02 (Watkins or Evans).

I like the Ball side here, but make sure you try and get CJ Anderson as well.

 

[bostonfred]

montee ball

for

2015 1st rounder

2015 2nd rounder

2015 3rd rounder

picks are from the same team, likely a playoff team

If you owned those picks right now, and Montee Ball was on the board, and you had a late first rounder, you probably wouldn't get him. Would you trade a 2nd and 3rd to move up and get your guy? I would, and then some. It would probably take you much more than that to get a prospect of his caliber in the 2015 draft with those picks. So of course this is a good deal. It's hard to get young stud RBs when you have late picks.

 

[bostonfred]

There is a QB Flex so you could say the late 1sts hold slightly more value since QB's go quick and better WR/RB/TE can fall as a result.

TEAM A gave up Nelson, Jordy GBP WR;Finley, Jermichael GBP TE; Year 2014 Draft Pick 1.09

TEAM B gave up Morris, Alfred WAS RB;Smith, Torrey BAL WR;Reed, Jordan WAS TE

Torrey < NelsonReed >>> Finley

Morris >> 1.09

Slam dunk for team B imo.

 

[JohnnyU]

montee ball

for

2015 1st rounder

2015 2nd rounder

2015 3rd rounder

picks are from the same team, likely a playoff team

Interesting. I am trying to get Ball in another league and the owner wants my 1.02, 1.04 and 1.05. I told him I would give him 1.02 (Watkins or Evans).

I like the Ball side here, but make sure you try and get CJ Anderson as well.

I don't think Anderson's role is set in stone. Hillman could just as easily get the backup role this preseason.

 

[duaneok66]

another back will leapfrog both Hillman and Anderson.

 

[5Rings]

12 team non-ppr

Sproles, Maclin, Julius Thomas, 5th, 6th

for

Julio and 4th

 

[Scoonie Pencil]

Couple of trades involving different teams:

1pt PPR, (1.5 PPR for TEs), 12 team, 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1Flex, 1K, 1D

Team A gives:

Rueben Randle, Kniles Davis, Jermichael Finley

Team B gives:
Vernon Davis, Hakeem Nicks, Bryce Brown

Davis/Brown aren't handcuffs for either teams.

Team C gives:

Antonio Brown

Team D gives:

Michael Crabtree, Ryan Matthews

 

[cstu]

12 team non-ppr

Sproles, Maclin, Julius Thomas, 5th, 6th

for

Julio and 4th

Julio, what is wrong with people?

 

[Bamac]

Couple of trades involving different teams:

1pt PPR, (1.5 PPR for TEs), 12 team, 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1Flex, 1K, 1D

Team A gives:

Rueben Randle, Kniles Davis, Jermichael Finley

Team B gives:

Vernon Davis, Hakeem Nicks, Bryce Brown

B for me, pretty easily.

Team C gives:

Antonio Brown

Team D gives:

Michael Crabtree, Ryan Matthews

FMV, but I'll take Brown because I don't see the value in Mathews.

 

[Scoonie Pencil]

12 team non-ppr

Sproles, Maclin, Julius Thomas, 5th, 6th

for

Julio and 4th

JJAD (Julio Jones All Day)

 

[Rozman]

12 Team PPR 1.5 TE

Justin Hunter

2.12

For

Terrance Williams

Jason Witten

 

[maxhyde]

12 Team PPR 1.5 TE

Justin Hunter

2.12

For

Terrance Williams

Jason Witten

Hunter and the pick for me

 

[JohnnyU]

another back will leapfrog both Hillman and Anderson.

That too.

 

[Black]

You just kept herschel walker

Could you have turned a couple of those 1sts into another top 10 RB?

 

[Black]

montee ball

for

2015 1st rounder

2015 2nd rounder

2015 3rd rounder

picks are from the same team, likely a playoff team

Interesting. I am trying to get Ball in another league and the owner wants my 1.02, 1.04 and 1.05. I told him I would give him 1.02 (Watkins or Evans).I like the Ball side here, but make sure you try and get CJ Anderson as well.

Who's going #1?

 

[Concept Coop]

12 Team PPR 1.5 TE

Justin Hunter

2.12

For

Terrance Williams

Jason Witten

Hunter and the pick for me

In a standard league, I think the Hunter side has an argument. In a 1.5 league, it's a bad trade. Give me the Cowboys.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

montee ball

for

2015 1st rounder

2015 2nd rounder

2015 3rd rounder

picks are from the same team, likely a playoff team

Interesting. I am trying to get Ball in another league and the owner wants my 1.02, 1.04 and 1.05. I told him I would give him 1.02 (Watkins or Evans).

I like the Ball side here, but make sure you try and get CJ Anderson as well.

I don't think Anderson's role is set in stone. Hillman could just as easily get the backup role this preseason.

yeah I know I missed the CJ andersons gonna be a stud memo

 

[Denver724]

montee ball

for

2015 1st rounder

2015 2nd rounder

2015 3rd rounder

picks are from the same team, likely a playoff team

Interesting. I am trying to get Ball in another league and the owner wants my 1.02, 1.04 and 1.05. I told him I would give him 1.02 (Watkins or Evans).I like the Ball side here, but make sure you try and get CJ Anderson as well.

I don't think Anderson's role is set in stone. Hillman could just as easily get the backup role this preseason.

yeah I know I missed the CJ andersons gonna be a stud memo

I have to laugh as his value is all over the board. I have picked him up in a couple leagues as a cuff for Ball. Other owners want the world for him. I also have Anderson in a couple other leagues and have tried to move him to Ball owners. Most have no interest.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

montee ball

for

2015 1st rounder

2015 2nd rounder

2015 3rd rounder

picks are from the same team, likely a playoff team

Someone threw their picks away.

 

[jmo87usc]

montee ball

for

2015 1st rounder

2015 2nd rounder

2015 3rd rounder

picks are from the same team, likely a playoff team

Someone threw their picks away.

I was thinking someone gave ball away. I guess the mixed reviews are signs that the trade was more fair than I thought. I'll gladly give my 2015 playoff caliber 1st three rounds for Ball

 

[jmo87usc]

montee ball

for

2015 1st rounder

2015 2nd rounder

2015 3rd rounder

picks are from the same team, likely a playoff team

Interesting. I am trying to get Ball in another league and the owner wants my 1.02, 1.04 and 1.05. I told him I would give him 1.02 (Watkins or Evans).I like the Ball side here, but make sure you try and get CJ Anderson as well.

I don't think Anderson's role is set in stone. Hillman could just as easily get the backup role this preseason.

yeah I know I missed the CJ andersons gonna be a stud memo

I have to laugh as his value is all over the board. I have picked him up in a couple leagues as a cuff for Ball. Other owners want the world for him. I also have Anderson in a couple other leagues and have tried to move him to Ball owners. Most have no interest.

One of the issues I have is that as much as I appreciate when Cecil Lammey covers Broncos camp, he pumps up almost every player. Makes it harder to sort the Julius Thomas's from the Jeremiah Johnson's. The big thing Anderson had going for him was that the team kept him on active roster even though he was injured last year. May seem like no big deal, but those roster spots become scarce as the season goes on. The fact they hung on to him means they like him and were afraid to lose him. Doesn't guarantee he pans out, but I can see why owners might be hopeful.

 

[Sabertooth]

12 Team PPR:

Team A gives: Cordarrelle Patterson

Team B gives: DeSean Jackson, Terrance Williams, Lamar Miller

Could go either way on this one depending on where Desean signs.

 

[Pumpnick]

Dez or Julio in dynasty if Julio is 100% ?

 

[Pumpnick]

Dez or Julio in dynasty if Julio is 100% ?

 

[Billy Ball Thorton]

Couple of trades involving different teams:

1pt PPR, (1.5 PPR for TEs), 12 team, 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1Flex, 1K, 1D

Team A gives:

Rueben Randle, Kniles Davis, Jermichael Finley

Team B gives:

Vernon Davis, Hakeem Nicks, Bryce Brown

B for me, pretty easily.

Team C gives:

Antonio Brown

Team D gives:

Michael Crabtree, Ryan Matthews

FMV, but I'll take Brown because I don't see the value in Mathews.

Lol statement like no value in Mathews makes your opinion worth nil. Please support that. Guy had over 1300 yards with a slow start of the season and finished as strong rb2 on the year. Last 8 games he was RB 1. So yeah no value there.

Guys like you crack me up. Either you sold too soon or wish you would have bought last year when he really was worth nothing.

 

[cstu]

Couple of trades involving different teams:

1pt PPR, (1.5 PPR for TEs), 12 team, 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1Flex, 1K, 1D

Team A gives:

Rueben Randle, Kniles Davis, Jermichael Finley

Team B gives:

Vernon Davis, Hakeem Nicks, Bryce Brown

B for me, pretty easily.

Team C gives:

Antonio Brown

Team D gives:

Michael Crabtree, Ryan Matthews

FMV, but I'll take Brown because I don't see the value in Mathews.

Lol statement like no value in Mathews makes your opinion worth nil. Please support that. Guy had over 1300 yards with a slow start of the season and finished as strong rb2 on the year. Last 8 games he was RB 1. So yeah no value there.

Guys like you crack me up. Either you sold too soon or wish you would have bought last year when he really was worth nothing.

Like I've said - and most Chargers fans agree - he won't be in SD next year. There's no guarantee that he'll even have a starting job in 2015. That's not 'zero value' but unless you need a RB he isn't extremely valuable.

I'm not even sure Mathews keeps his starting job this year (even if he can stay healthy). Here's what coach McCoy had to say:

"You get in there, you get on a little bit of a roll and you're going to stay in there," McCoy said. "Donald is a perfect fit for our system, and that's why we went after him and got him. He understands what we want to do offensively, not only in the passing game but in the running game and pass protection. ... We'll let Donald come in there and show us what he can do, and we'll try to take advantage of what he does best and go with the flow of the game."

 

[maxhyde]

Couple of trades involving different teams:

1pt PPR, (1.5 PPR for TEs), 12 team, 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1Flex, 1K, 1D

Team A gives:

Rueben Randle, Kniles Davis, Jermichael Finley

Team B gives:

Vernon Davis, Hakeem Nicks, Bryce Brown

B for me, pretty easily.

Team C gives:

Antonio Brown

Team D gives:

Michael Crabtree, Ryan Matthews

FMV, but I'll take Brown because I don't see the value in Mathews.

Lol statement like no value in Mathews makes your opinion worth nil. Please support that. Guy had over 1300 yards with a slow start of the season and finished as strong rb2 on the year. Last 8 games he was RB 1. So yeah no value there.

Guys like you crack me up. Either you sold too soon or wish you would have bought last year when he really was worth nothing.

Like I've said - and most Chargers fans agree - he won't be in SD next year. There's no guarantee that he'll even have a starting job in 2015. That's not 'zero value' but unless you need a RB he isn't extremely valuable.

I'm not even sure Mathews keeps his starting job this year (even if he can stay healthy). Here's what coach McCoy had to say:

"You get in there, you get on a little bit of a roll and you're going to stay in there," McCoy said. "Donald is a perfect fit for our system, and that's why we went after him and got him. He understands what we want to do offensively, not only in the passing game but in the running game and pass protection. ... We'll let Donald come in there and show us what he can do, and we'll try to take advantage of what he does best and go with the flow of the game."

I will side with this because I can't unload him in leagues so obviously in those leagues he isn't carrying late first type value. Besides the Chargers know better than to count on him being healthy.

However coachspeak in March doesn't mean very much to me. Alternate quote form the GM

Chargers GM Tom Telesco confirmed that Ryan Mathews remains "our bell cow."

Telesco suggested that signing free agent Donald Brown to a $10.4 million contract was a depth move. Mathews will remain the feature back as he comes off a highly effective year that saw him set career-highs in games played (16), carries (285) and yards (1255). "He's our No. 1 back," Telesco said. Perhaps Brown was signed with one eye on 2015, when Mathews will be a free agent. Mar 20 - 11:29 AM

 

[Coeur de Lion]

at Matthews not starting. Donald Brown is a dog turd.