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****OFFICIAL 2008 Washington Redskins Thread**** (2 Viewers)

The 4th-and-2 playcall rocked, though.
According to Zorn, that was based on a suggestion from Offensive Assitant Chris Meidt. Personally, I thought it was kind of the obvious call. The defense is expecting a run. And, if they were going to fail to get the 1st down, it didn't really matter how they failed. IOW, an incomplete pass is just as damaging as a 1-yard run. The clock stops in both cases. When they came to the line all packed in and Moss was 1-on-1, I was going to be so pissed if they didn't throw.
What I liked about this call was that it was an aggressive departure from Gibbs' play-calling. This ain't your grandpa's Gibbs' offense anymore.
Remember Game 2 last year against the Giants, when the Skins had it 4th and goal late in the game and they gave it to Betts who was stuffed and the Giants thenr an out the clock? Contrast that play call, with Zorn's 4th and 2 call yesterday.BTW, where's the "Me so Zornieeeeee" Cowboy fan this week?

 
DCThunder said:
Tatum Bell said:
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fatness said:
The 4th-and-2 playcall rocked, though.
According to Zorn, that was based on a suggestion from Offensive Assitant Chris Meidt. Personally, I thought it was kind of the obvious call. The defense is expecting a run. And, if they were going to fail to get the 1st down, it didn't really matter how they failed. IOW, an incomplete pass is just as damaging as a 1-yard run. The clock stops in both cases. When they came to the line all packed in and Moss was 1-on-1, I was going to be so pissed if they didn't throw.
What I liked about this call was that it was an aggressive departure from Gibbs' play-calling. This ain't your grandpa's Gibbs' offense anymore.
Remember Game 2 last year against the Giants, when the Skins had it 4th and goal late in the game and they gave it to Betts who was stuffed and the Giants thenr an out the clock? Contrast that play call, with Zorn's 4th and 2 call yesterday.BTW, where's the "Me so Zornieeeeee" Cowboy fan this week?
The main problem in that whole sequence against NY last year was spiking the ball on 1st and goal from the 1 with :58 remaining. It was a wasted down. They then threw incomplete on 2nd down and ran twice. So, it's not like they just ran the ball 4 straight times.I'm honestly not sure what Gibbs would have done yesterday. Like I said, I thought throwing, especially given the defensive look they got, was the obvious move. My only doubt is whether Gibbs would have gone for it. He might have tried to pooch punt and make NO drive 95 yards. Then again, with the day Brooks was having, I could see Gibbs going for it out of a lack of confidence in his punter.

Overall, I really didn't think that move yesterday was as gutsy as I heard a lot of people make it out to be. In a way, it was the safe decision. A FG would have been the riskiest decision. A punt could have easily been a TB, netting the team only 14 yards.

 
Gibbs would have gone for the 4th down, put 27 offensive linemen in for the play, run into the middle, and gotten stuffed. Then "relied on the defense".

 
I'm beginning to really like Zorn. He took ownership of some shortcomings in week 1 and promptly made adjustments with Campbell and in the passing game, he's showed with the 4th down call that he can be creative and take good risks on the fly, and now this:

A hot and steamy day -- 90 degrees at kickoff, hottest in FedEx Field history -- prompted Zorn to have sideline personnel hold up canvas sheets to help cool the players. He didn't want to use a more structured version he invented for practices (known as the "Z-shade") because NFL rules would have required the Redskins to supply one for the Saints as well. Some Saints players, including TE Jeremy Shockey, used IVs to stay hydrated.
Apparently one of the equipment guys holding the shade up complained to him during the game that he was cramping up while holding the shade up, and Zorn told him, "If you drop that, we're screwed." :shrug:
 
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Horton's 'Hat Trick'

That made Horton the first Redskins rookie to have an interception and fumble recovery in the same game since Smoot, seven years ago. Still, late in the game, defensive coordinator Greg Blache corralled Horton on the sideline and said he wanted more.

"He was like, 'Hey, I need a hat trick,' " Horton recalled. "And I looked at him like, 'What?' . . . I've never heard of that before. He explained it. It's like in hockey. I guess it's three goals or something like that."

Blache, Horton said, screamed at him on the sidelines for not knowing what a hat trick was, but he got the message and went back out on the field with about three minutes left and the Saints within one score.
:lol: Man, I love Blache.

 
I'm beginning to really like Zorn. He took ownership of some shortcomings in week 1 and promptly made adjustments with Campbell and in the passing game, he's showed with the 4th down call that he can be creative and take good risks on the fly,
As much as anything else, I think that 4th down call shows that Zorn has complete faith in Campbell having the tools to run his offense, no matter what the naysayers and critics say. If he had any reservations about what Campbell can or can not do, I think they do anything but pass on that play.
 
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Brutally hot day out there, but it was worth it...the Saints obviously missed Colston, I thought, as they really didn't get very good receiver play - or it was the fact that Springs was back. But the Skins held them to 250 yards, which is really quite good against an offense of that caliber.

Special teams were right there with Cooley - blowing chunks, I mean. ARE is simply no good as a punt returner, I can't understand why he is still used there. He hasn't been effective in years. Suisham still makes me nervous, for some reason. And that rookie punter better get his act together - if he hadn't been one of Vinny's draft picks, he would have been SOOO cut at the end of training camp.

Nice to see Campbell get a great game though. I still heard someone in the stands talking about how they had to get the "real" QB, Cult Brennan, out there because Campbell couldn't be good in the West Coast offense. When Campbell hit Moss with the final score, though, he was jumping and high-fiving more than anyone.

Something I have a tendency to forget - a healthy Santana Moss makes such a huge difference to this team, it's not funny.

Bring on those undefeated Zona Cardinals! I'm placing an order right now for a Jason Taylor sack-strip-recovery on Kurt Warner...

 
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I'm beginning to really like Zorn. He took ownership of some shortcomings in week 1 and promptly made adjustments with Campbell and in the passing game, he's showed with the 4th down call that he can be creative and take good risks on the fly,
As much as anything else, I think that 4th down call shows that Zorn has complete faith in Campbell having the tools to run his offense, no matter what the naysayers and critics say. If he had any reservations about what Campbell can or can not do, I think they do anything but pass on that play.
Agreed. That's the kind of play call you make if you're not thinking about your QB's talent level and you're just calling a game based upon game situation. I love it.
 
Horton's 'Hat Trick'

That made Horton the first Redskins rookie to have an interception and fumble recovery in the same game since Smoot, seven years ago. Still, late in the game, defensive coordinator Greg Blache corralled Horton on the sideline and said he wanted more.

"He was like, 'Hey, I need a hat trick,' " Horton recalled. "And I looked at him like, 'What?' . . . I've never heard of that before. He explained it. It's like in hockey. I guess it's three goals or something like that."

Blache, Horton said, screamed at him on the sidelines for not knowing what a hat trick was, but he got the message and went back out on the field with about three minutes left and the Saints within one score.
:yes: Man, I love Blache.
:moneybag:
 
I'm beginning to really like Zorn. He took ownership of some shortcomings in week 1 and promptly made adjustments with Campbell and in the passing game, he's showed with the 4th down call that he can be creative and take good risks on the fly
That's what you want to see - your coach figuring out what's not working & trying something that might. You guys'll have some growing pains with Zorn, but he's a smart guy & will learn as he goes along. As a Ravens fan, I know all too well what it's like to watch the play callers make the same mistake over & over & over & over.......Also, I'd look for a flowering with Campbell. The confidence his coach showed in him yesterday has been missing, IMO, since he's been in DC.

 
I heard on the radio this morning that Cooley posted pics of him studying his playbook naked, and of parts of the playbook on his website. And that he was in trouble with Zorn for the latter and a ####load of people for the former.

 
I heard on the radio this morning that Cooley posted pics of him studying his playbook naked, and of parts of the playbook on his website. And that he was in trouble with Zorn for the latter and a ####load of people for the former.
The photo has been taken down but you can still google it and pull it up. He took a photo of the playbook (didn't reveal any plays just a sheet that said "Tight End Test") which was laying across his naked lap and his manhood wasn't quite out of view. Pretty funny if he really did it on accident. You never know with Cooley though.
 
I'm beginning to really like Zorn. He took ownership of some shortcomings in week 1 and promptly made adjustments with Campbell and in the passing game, he's showed with the 4th down call that he can be creative and take good risks on the fly
That's what you want to see - your coach figuring out what's not working & trying something that might. You guys'll have some growing pains with Zorn, but he's a smart guy & will learn as he goes along. As a Ravens fan, I know all too well what it's like to watch the play callers make the same mistake over & over & over & over.......Also, I'd look for a flowering with Campbell. The confidence his coach showed in him yesterday has been missing, IMO, since he's been in DC.
i expected zorn and campbell to click but perhaps it could have happened after they played the saints? zorn has proven his ability to teach the offense after so many seasons in seattle. campbell and the other players just needed time to adjust to the new system. campbell, in particular, benefited from the extra time between the 'skins week 1 and 2 game. i expect them to be really solid down the final 8 games of the season. if they are .500 by midseason then they will have done well given change.
 
Also, I'd look for a flowering with Campbell. The confidence his coach showed in him yesterday has been missing, IMO, since he's been in DC.
Some of the anecdotes that have come out of Sunday's game regarding Campbell's comfort with the offense really point to why Zorn is showing confidence in Campbell. Most notably:-the play where Fred Davis made his first reception of the season, Davis was Campbell's 3rd read
It was only a six-yard pass. Quarterback Jason Campbell and rookie tight end Fred Davis teamed on the short completion Sunday in the fourth quarter of Washington's 29-24 victory over the New Orleans Saints, but Coach Jim Zorn noticed something more important than the yardage gained.Davis was Campbell's third option on the play, Zorn said, and Campbell read the Saints' defense well and made the correct choice. After often focusing on his primary targets too long in the Redskins' season-opening loss to the New York Giants, Campbell was more efficient at locating other receivers against New Orleans.
-Cooley's big 1st down reception in the 4th quarter was a play Campbell called himself; the play Zorn called in didn't match the personnel on the field so Campbell called a play himself that did match the personnel
On first down, Campbell was sacked for a 12-yard loss. But on the next play, Campbell found Cooley for a 23-yard gain and a first down."Jason made the play completely," Zorn said. "I called a different play and he adapted a similar concept to a different formation, got the protection right, got the play run and threw a strike to Cooley."That was all Jason Campbell. I had nothing to do with that play. I had called something out of a different formation, and I don't know where the confusion was, but he worked it out all by himself and created a huge play. It was a great play.
And on the crucial Cooley first down, he threw absolutely all the credit to Campbell. “Jason made the complete play. I called a different play, he adapted the concept to the different players. That was all Jason Campbell.”
-for the TD pass to Moss, Campbell adjusted the pass protection at the line, and still made time for the play to develop by moving around in the pocket
On the long touchdown to Moss, he was extremely enthusiastic: “Jason audibled the protection and did a really nice job,” he said, calling it a “teaching tape” on how to avoid in the pocket. “He threw it off-balance 61 yards in the air. That doesn’t happen a lot in the NFL.”
 
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fatness said:
I heard on the radio this morning that Cooley posted pics of him studying his playbook naked, and of parts of the playbook on his website. And that he was in trouble with Zorn for the latter and a ####load of people for the former.
Yep.
I'd rather that he'd post naked pics of his new wife, the ex-Redskinette. :thumbup:
 
Also, I'd look for a flowering with Campbell. The confidence his coach showed in him yesterday has been missing, IMO, since he's been in DC.
Some of the anecdotes that have come out of Sunday's game regarding Campbell's comfort with the offense really point to why Zorn is showing confidence in Campbell. Most notably:-the play where Fred Davis made his first reception of the season, Davis was Campbell's 3rd read
It was only a six-yard pass. Quarterback Jason Campbell and rookie tight end Fred Davis teamed on the short completion Sunday in the fourth quarter of Washington's 29-24 victory over the New Orleans Saints, but Coach Jim Zorn noticed something more important than the yardage gained.Davis was Campbell's third option on the play, Zorn said, and Campbell read the Saints' defense well and made the correct choice. After often focusing on his primary targets too long in the Redskins' season-opening loss to the New York Giants, Campbell was more efficient at locating other receivers against New Orleans.
-Cooley's big 1st down reception in the 4th quarter was a play Campbell called himself; the play Zorn called in didn't match the personnel on the field so Campbell called a play himself that did match the personnel
On first down, Campbell was sacked for a 12-yard loss. But on the next play, Campbell found Cooley for a 23-yard gain and a first down."Jason made the play completely," Zorn said. "I called a different play and he adapted a similar concept to a different formation, got the protection right, got the play run and threw a strike to Cooley."That was all Jason Campbell. I had nothing to do with that play. I had called something out of a different formation, and I don't know where the confusion was, but he worked it out all by himself and created a huge play. It was a great play.
And on the crucial Cooley first down, he threw absolutely all the credit to Campbell. “Jason made the complete play. I called a different play, he adapted the concept to the different players. That was all Jason Campbell.”
-for the TD pass to Moss, Campbell adjusted the pass protection at the line, and still made time for the play to develop by moving around in the pocket
On the long touchdown to Moss, he was extremely enthusiastic: “Jason audibled the protection and did a really nice job,” he said, calling it a “teaching tape” on how to avoid in the pocket. “He threw it off-balance 61 yards in the air. That doesn’t happen a lot in the NFL.”
I was very happy to listen to Zorn talk during yesterday's presser. He was obviously very pleased with Campbell's development just in this last week, while also keeping an appropriate amount of pressure on him to continue to develop. Campbell finally has been turned loose, and I think he's going to continue to blossom. Any Campbell doubters ought to spend a hald hour and listen to Zorn's presser from yesterday on redskins.com. There have been other factors to be sure, and I'm not annointing Campbell anything other than a promising young starter, but it's getting more and more obvious that the handcuffs Gibbs placed Campbell in were a major obstacle in his development, don't you think?
 
There have been other factors to be sure, and I'm not annointing Campbell anything other than a promising young starter, but it's getting more and more obvious that the handcuffs Gibbs placed Campbell in were a major obstacle in his development, don't you think?
It's hard to know if the handcuffs caused development obstacles or if the lack of development caused the handcuffs (or if something else caused both...or if it was just a coincidence).What exactly do you mean by "handcuffs"? What are you referring to? Throwing the ball down field? Throwing in certain situations?
 
There have been other factors to be sure, and I'm not annointing Campbell anything other than a promising young starter, but it's getting more and more obvious that the handcuffs Gibbs placed Campbell in were a major obstacle in his development, don't you think?
It's hard to know if the handcuffs caused development obstacles or if the lack of development caused the handcuffs (or if something else caused both...or if it was just a coincidence).What exactly do you mean by "handcuffs"? What are you referring to? Throwing the ball down field? Throwing in certain situations?
An extremely conservative offense. No shotgun. Max protection all the time. Lack of flexibility in the routes and reads. No audibles. Predictable play-calling. Few spread or even 3-WR formations. Etc., etc. Yes, Jason has had his growing pains, but I think he was capable of doing more, sooner than Gibbs allowed him to.

 
That story about Campbell adjusting the play-call because the wrong personnel package was on the field gave me a case of deja vu.

He did the same thing last year during the Carolina game when the headset was cutting in and out from the sideline, so he just called his own play, which was one that was run from the same package and that they'd worked on that week, and he again threw a strike down the left hash to Cooley, who ran it in for a long TD. This time he hit Cooley over the middle as well for a long completion.

Campbell is, as ARE likes to say, "southern", but don't confuse that for being dumb or easily rattled, because he's not. Again, I just have (and have had for some time) a sense that Jason can be special, and I think last year and now this year we're seeing more and more evidence of that being true.

 
That story about Campbell adjusting the play-call because the wrong personnel package was on the field gave me a case of deja vu.He did the same thing last year during the Carolina game when the headset was cutting in and out from the sideline, so he just called his own play, which was one that was run from the same package and that they'd worked on that week, and he again threw a strike down the left hash to Cooley, who ran it in for a long TD. This time he hit Cooley over the middle as well for a long completion. Campbell is, as ARE likes to say, "southern", but don't confuse that for being dumb or easily rattled, because he's not. Again, I just have (and have had for some time) a sense that Jason can be special, and I think last year and now this year we're seeing more and more evidence of that being true.
I recalled that same situation when I heard about his play call on Sunday. I couldn't quite remember what game it was, but I definitely remember the headset issues and him calling a play himself that ended up going to Cooley. It certainly is a promising sign that he is getting more and more comfortable with this offense.
 
Rich Tandler reminds us that it's just one game. Similar to how ridiculous it was for all the "the season is over"-type talk that went on after week 1, we need to remember that there still is a lot of football left to be played. It was certainly a positive game, but was it the exception or the rule? Only time will tell, and I am eagerly anticipating watching this play out. :lmao:
 
Campbell is, as ARE likes to say, "southern", but don't confuse that for being dumb or easily rattled, because he's not. Again, I just have (and have had for some time) a sense that Jason can be special, and I think last year and now this year we're seeing more and more evidence of that being true.
I agree with that. If he can work steadily with the same offensive plan and it lets him do things he does well, and if he's not flat on his ### 30-50% of the plays, I think he's more than just a "solid" quarterback in the making. Add to that the fact that his teammates seem to universally respect him, and like him.
 
Campbell is, as ARE likes to say, "southern", but don't confuse that for being dumb or easily rattled, because he's not. Again, I just have (and have had for some time) a sense that Jason can be special, and I think last year and now this year we're seeing more and more evidence of that being true.
I agree with that. If he can work steadily with the same offensive plan and it lets him do things he does well, and if he's not flat on his ### 30-50% of the plays, I think he's more than just a "solid" quarterback in the making. Add to that the fact that his teammates seem to universally respect him, and like him.
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Rich Tandler reminds us that it's just one game. Similar to how ridiculous it was for all the "the season is over"-type talk that went on after week 1, we need to remember that there still is a lot of football left to be played. It was certainly a positive game, but was it the exception or the rule? Only time will tell, and I am eagerly anticipating watching this play out. :thumbup:
This is a very good reminder - Campbell is not going to throw for 300 yards every game, and he won't face a suspect defense without three starters every week.That being said, let's look at the upcoming Zona game.

Last week, I thought the Skins needed to get a big rush against Brees, and win the turnover battle. They definitely handled the turnovers, and the rush - well, it was decent. A bigger factor turned out to be just how well Campbell played.

For the Cards, one statistic really stands out for me. Through two games, Kurt Warner - no picks, no fumbles. Warner's been a fumble machine for years - is he due? Or is he doing something better. So key 1 - make Warner turn it over.

Number two, the Zona Defense has looked great...against Miami and SF. Are they good? Or have they benefited from playing some pretty lousy teams? To me, the Skins always work best if they get good rushing production. So key 2 - Portis rushes for 100 yards.

Again, fairly obvious, but my best thoughts on the game. Oh, and here's hoping it's not quite as hot!

 
Rich Tandler reminds us that it's just one game. Similar to how ridiculous it was for all the "the season is over"-type talk that went on after week 1, we need to remember that there still is a lot of football left to be played. It was certainly a positive game, but was it the exception or the rule? Only time will tell, and I am eagerly anticipating watching this play out. :football:
This is a very good reminder - Campbell is not going to throw for 300 yards every game, and he won't face a suspect defense without three starters every week.That being said, let's look at the upcoming Zona game.

Last week, I thought the Skins needed to get a big rush against Brees, and win the turnover battle. They definitely handled the turnovers, and the rush - well, it was decent. A bigger factor turned out to be just how well Campbell played.

For the Cards, one statistic really stands out for me. Through two games, Kurt Warner - no picks, no fumbles. Warner's been a fumble machine for years - is he due? Or is he doing something better. So key 1 - make Warner turn it over.

Number two, the Zona Defense has looked great...against Miami and SF. Are they good? Or have they benefited from playing some pretty lousy teams? To me, the Skins always work best if they get good rushing production. So key 2 - Portis rushes for 100 yards.

Again, fairly obvious, but my best thoughts on the game. Oh, and here's hoping it's not quite as hot!
I agree with you overall.Warner's lack of turnovers does NOT indicate that he's had good protection. In reality he's been getting pressured and hit, but so far has done a good enough job still making plays, albeit with a very good WR corps against severely overmatched secondaries. I like our chances to get a turnover or two on Sunday.

 
Also, I'd look for a flowering with Campbell. The confidence his coach showed in him yesterday has been missing, IMO, since he's been in DC.
Some of the anecdotes that have come out of Sunday's game regarding Campbell's comfort with the offense really point to why Zorn is showing confidence in Campbell. Most notably:-the play where Fred Davis made his first reception of the season, Davis was Campbell's 3rd read

It was only a six-yard pass. Quarterback Jason Campbell and rookie tight end Fred Davis teamed on the short completion Sunday in the fourth quarter of Washington's 29-24 victory over the New Orleans Saints, but Coach Jim Zorn noticed something more important than the yardage gained.

Davis was Campbell's third option on the play, Zorn said, and Campbell read the Saints' defense well and made the correct choice. After often focusing on his primary targets too long in the Redskins' season-opening loss to the New York Giants, Campbell was more efficient at locating other receivers against New Orleans.
-Cooley's big 1st down reception in the 4th quarter was a play Campbell called himself; the play Zorn called in didn't match the personnel on the field so Campbell called a play himself that did match the personnel
On first down, Campbell was sacked for a 12-yard loss. But on the next play, Campbell found Cooley for a 23-yard gain and a first down.

"Jason made the play completely," Zorn said. "I called a different play and he adapted a similar concept to a different formation, got the protection right, got the play run and threw a strike to Cooley.

"That was all Jason Campbell. I had nothing to do with that play. I had called something out of a different formation, and I don't know where the confusion was, but he worked it out all by himself and created a huge play. It was a great play.
And on the crucial Cooley first down, he threw absolutely all the credit to Campbell. “Jason made the complete play. I called a different play, he adapted the concept to the different players. That was all Jason Campbell.”
-for the TD pass to Moss, Campbell adjusted the pass protection at the line, and still made time for the play to develop by moving around in the pocket
On the long touchdown to Moss, he was extremely enthusiastic: “Jason audibled the protection and did a really nice job,” he said, calling it a “teaching tape” on how to avoid in the pocket. “He threw it off-balance 61 yards in the air. That doesn’t happen a lot in the NFL.”
I was very happy to listen to Zorn talk during yesterday's presser. He was obviously very pleased with Campbell's development just in this last week, while also keeping an appropriate amount of pressure on him to continue to develop. Campbell finally has been turned loose, and I think he's going to continue to blossom. Any Campbell doubters ought to spend a hald hour and listen to Zorn's presser from yesterday on redskins.com. There have been other factors to be sure, and I'm not annointing Campbell anything other than a promising young starter, but it's getting more and more obvious that the handcuffs Gibbs placed Campbell in were a major obstacle in his development, don't you think?
uh, what? Campbell doubters only need to look at the field of play. he locks onto receivers, holds the ball too long, and throws check-downs short of the 1st down marker on 3rd down passes. it was great to see some progress, but the Saint DB's were a wreck. I'm hopeful, but stick to my assessments, which I've been posting on Skin threads since last year ended.

maybe the Gibbs handcuffs were to protect the Skins from Campbell losing games?

 
There's been some discussion about whether or not this was Campbell's best game to date. It was his 2nd best yardage, 4th best comp %, 3rd best rating, and 2nd best ypa. Using those variables as a measure, it compares well with his game last year against Detroit which was his 4th best yardage, best comp %, best rating, and 3rd best ypa. However, that Detroit game (a 34-3 victory) lacked some of the aspects of this game against NO. DET was a blowout and Campbell didn't really need to shine. He simply did what he had to do when everything else was going well. NO was a comeback, including a 67-yard game-winning TD pass after avoiding the rush on a play he made a pre-snap adjustment for. Not to mention engineering a TD drive on their previous drive to pull them within 2. Then there was the 4th and 2 conversion. I think it's safe to say it was his best game to date.

 
There's been some discussion about whether or not this was Campbell's best game to date. It was his 2nd best yardage, 4th best comp %, 3rd best rating, and 2nd best ypa. Using those variables as a measure, it compares well with his game last year against Detroit which was his 4th best yardage, best comp %, best rating, and 3rd best ypa. However, that Detroit game (a 34-3 victory) lacked some of the aspects of this game against NO. DET was a blowout and Campbell didn't really need to shine. He simply did what he had to do when everything else was going well. NO was a comeback, including a 67-yard game-winning TD pass after avoiding the rush on a play he made a pre-snap adjustment for. Not to mention engineering a TD drive on their previous drive to pull them within 2. Then there was the 4th and 2 conversion. I think it's safe to say it was his best game to date.
Agreed, and moreover the macro discussion about how badly banged up the Saints were (and they were banged up) too easily misses some of the micro analysis that is flattering to Jason, e.g. the play adjustment on the 22-yard reception to Cooley; the "avoid, reset & throw" on the Moss TD; the use of Davis as his third option in his progression; the strike to Moss on 4th down in crunch time; etc. Those plays don't require larger context to generate praise for Campbell, and for me to note that they represent improvements. It's easy to overstate this stuff and I'm not doing that, but Campbell is on an upward trend in his development. I wish he'd do it faster, but that consistent improvement has gotten lost given the choppiness of his career (never a full season as starter) and the ups and downs of the team and the offense. There's a lot to like there.

 
maybe the Gibbs handcuffs were to protect the Skins from Campbell losing games?
That's what Gibbs would tell you. Gibbs was not very good at offense this time around, if you hadn't noticed, and the Redskins lost multiple games they should have won because he kept the offense too restrained to win. I'm not trying to change your mind about Campbell; but some of your criticisms of him seem valid. That one, however, was just plucked out of thin air.
 
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I don't know which one fits better with this blog post from JLaC...

:goodposting: :angry: :( ;) :loco: :wall: :X :yucky: :wall: :rant: :no: :lmao:

Probably the best is...

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Vinny Cerrato: Dan Snyder's New Radio Jock

Vinny Cerrato is coming soon to the airwaves. Four hours a week. Live on the radio from the newly built radio studios at Redskins Park. How pumped are you?

The Redskins Executive Vice President is now a midmorning radio host. Amid being in charge of virtually everything connected to the football side of the Redskins, the man is owner Daniel Snyder's new jock. ESPN 980, owned by Snyder, will announce today that "Inside The Red Zone With Vinny Cerrato" is now a staple of its lineup, according to sources with knowledge of the information.

The staff at 980 was notified of the new show Wednesday and the debut broadcast will be Friday. The show will run from 10-noon on Mondays and Fridays through the football season, according to sources. Longtime Snyder pal George Michael will host at the onset, and a permanent host is TBA (who could be more singularly, um, "qualified" to host such a show than Larry Michael? Wouldn't that seem like the biggest no-brainer ever?). Vinny will take calls and have guests on the show.

(Sample first question: Jasno from the Schlub Room here, Vinny. First time caller, long-time, um, questioner. I've got a two-parter here, so hang with me. "How do you manage to have time to do this while running a long-suffering franchise? And with a personal record 12 games below .500 as a member of this organization, and as a highly compensated employee of the Redskins, do you think the fanbase might feel better served by you doing actual football operations work from 10-12, rather than killing time between "Mike and Mike In the Morning" and Doc Walker's show?")

Even though Cerrato is in charge of all things Redskin, what would be a 24-7/365 job anywhere else in the NFL, he now can take on a part-time job, in season. And, from what I hear, Snyder actually envisioned the show being five days a week, with the format of twice a week finally settled on a few days ago.

And the show will run Mondays, which is the busiest personnel day of the week, with tape to be broken down of your own team, film to be looked at of other players, lists to be compiled of free agents to bring in. It's when you fill voids from injury or ineffectiveness, dissect the roster, check in around the league.

In general, when a lot of other GMs and personnel guys are breaking down film of free agents, and opposing players in the afternoon, trying to find any way to upgrade the roster, Cerrato personally attends every Redskins practice, usually right by Snyder's side. So between those 2 ½ hours per day on the practice field, and then another 4 hours a week on the radio ... let's just say that's a big chunk of time. I'm not sure how many of you guys could function at your primary jobs while cutting out prime hours like this twice a week to moonlight on the radio. Seems like it would be tough.

Sure, Cerrato has a staff around him, but trust me, this is pretty unprecedented. I've covered every pro sports league to some degree and been around this business a long time, and I'd be stunned to find another executive with this type of position who can waste four hours of prime business hours per week - in season no less - yapping on the radio. What if an agent is trying to reach him? What if a GM has a trade offer? What if there is an emergency of some sort?

"I've never heard of anything like that before, and I've been in this business a long time," one NFL executive said after being convinced that this was in fact not a gag. "I can't imagine anyone else in the NFL doing this. How can you justify spending your time like that? What am I doing still in the office breaking down film (it was 9 pm at the time)?

"And you're telling me this is gonna be every Monday? The morning after a game? They wonder why people point the finger at them over there, then they keep doing stuff that opens them up to criticism. I can't believe this one."

Cerrato is a media-junkie. He is in regular contact with people at ESPN, he worked at ESPN when Snyder fired him in 2001, and, while rarely meeting the actual media in any press conference-type setting, he is a staple in front of Redskins microphones, whether on Larry Michael's daily show on Comcast, or on Snyder's radio shows, or what have you. Clearly, he enjoys this kind of stuff. Maybe it will be a ratings bonanza.

( PS 1 - It will also be interesting to see the on-air reactions, if any, to this new show by other 980 talent. I know several people over there are upset, and feel that they have been misled. When Snyder bought 980 everyone was told how this would be an independent entity from the Redskins, not under his control (Snyder went on about this in his Wall Street Journal interview) and that there would be no controlling the message. It's not like there were a legion of reporters, hosts and producers there clamoring for a Vinny Cerrato show, but, ultimately, they are at the mercy of the man who pays the bills. And no way Snyder's top football man pulls off something like this without the owner being fully behind it.)

(PS 2 - For you diehard radio types, Colin Cowherd's show will air in Vinny's timeslot on Tues-Thurs).

 
I've only called a radio show once in my life, in the 1970's. It was a not-very-listened-to show on some station from Georgetown University, and after a long line of stupid platitudes on the part of the host I ended up telling him he was full of ####. I wasn't planning on doing that, and I held off as long as I could but he was such an idiot it just came out. There was no 7-second delay, so it was aired. When I hung up the phone and got done laughing I heard him signing off, closing with "Perhaps I am.....". One of my fonder memories.

Maybe it's time for me to be on the radio again.

 
I'm really not sure why you didn't go with the :goodposting: on that one.
Well, you can only post so many smilies in one post. I really feel like this guy :) But seriously, what the f is Vinny doing? I guess Dannyboy is still the GM and Vinny is the racquet ball partner.
 
Interesting.

Since Joe Gibbs's first departure after the 1992 season, the repeating story has been one new coach after another arriving in a tough town, then finding his abilities doubted instantly. Richie Petitbon, Norv Turner, Marty Schottenheimer, Steve Spurrier and Gibbs himself, in his second tour of duty, all got off to abysmal beginnings -- 1-6, 1-6, 0-5, 2-4 and 1-4.

All except Gibbs took multiple early-season drubbings by huge, unnerving margins. With confidence cracked early, not one of these coaches (including Gibbs II) ever had a single day when his career Redskins record was over .500.
 
I'm really not sure why you didn't go with the :hophead: on that one.
Well, you can only post so many smilies in one post. I really feel like this guy :bag: But seriously, what the f is Vinny doing? I guess Dannyboy is still the GM and Vinny is the racquet ball partner.
Andy and Steve discussed this yesterday. Andy was saying most people put about as much prep into a show as the length of the show. So, since Vinny is doing 2 2-hour shows, he'll need to do at least 4 hours of prep each week. That means 8 hours per week are dedicated to a radio show and not improving the team.Plus, the show is prolly going to suxor. Maybe we'll get a few good explanations for something, but it will most likely just be 4 hours of positive spin. They could lose 50-0 and I doubt Vinny will go on and say anything negative.
 
I'm really not sure why you didn't go with the :thumbup: on that one.
Well, you can only post so many smilies in one post. I really feel like this guy :) But seriously, what the f is Vinny doing? I guess Dannyboy is still the GM and Vinny is the racquet ball partner.
Andy and Steve discussed this yesterday. Andy was saying most people put about as much prep into a show as the length of the show. So, since Vinny is doing 2 2-hour shows, he'll need to do at least 4 hours of prep each week. That means 8 hours per week are dedicated to a radio show and not improving the team.Plus, the show is prolly going to suxor. Maybe we'll get a few good explanations for something, but it will most likely just be 4 hours of positive spin. They could lose 50-0 and I doubt Vinny will go on and say anything negative.
How come this boneheaded :trainwreck: doesn't have it's own thread so all the other "Sharks" can opine on it?
 
I'm really not sure why you didn't go with the :lmao: on that one.
Well, you can only post so many smilies in one post. I really feel like this guy :( But seriously, what the f is Vinny doing? I guess Dannyboy is still the GM and Vinny is the racquet ball partner.
Andy and Steve discussed this yesterday. Andy was saying most people put about as much prep into a show as the length of the show. So, since Vinny is doing 2 2-hour shows, he'll need to do at least 4 hours of prep each week. That means 8 hours per week are dedicated to a radio show and not improving the team.Plus, the show is prolly going to suxor. Maybe we'll get a few good explanations for something, but it will most likely just be 4 hours of positive spin. They could lose 50-0 and I doubt Vinny will go on and say anything negative.
The way "real" teams do this is they have their coach/GM/star player on for an hour each week getting interviewed or taking calls. This is pretty stupid and says all the wrong things about the team's priorities.
 
I'm really not sure why you didn't go with the :lmao: on that one.
Well, you can only post so many smilies in one post. I really feel like this guy :( But seriously, what the f is Vinny doing? I guess Dannyboy is still the GM and Vinny is the racquet ball partner.
Andy and Steve discussed this yesterday. Andy was saying most people put about as much prep into a show as the length of the show. So, since Vinny is doing 2 2-hour shows, he'll need to do at least 4 hours of prep each week. That means 8 hours per week are dedicated to a radio show and not improving the team.Plus, the show is prolly going to suxor. Maybe we'll get a few good explanations for something, but it will most likely just be 4 hours of positive spin. They could lose 50-0 and I doubt Vinny will go on and say anything negative.
The way "real" teams do this is they have their coach/GM/star player on for an hour each week getting interviewed or taking calls. This is pretty stupid and says all the wrong things about the team's priorities.
Or maybe Vinny doesn't play as large a role as we were previously led to believe?
 

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