for what you guys said above, that's why Atlanta was so smart to get DimitroffThis had to have been their plan all along, and they're very prepared to dominate Rounds 2 and 3. This year the draft is full of 2nd / 3rd tier talent, so this made total sense.The question is, is any other GM taking notes? Anyone? Several did make pre-draft moves (PHI, KC, CHI) but still........and then there is DEN and OAK.
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AnonymousBob
Footballguy
On the plus side of things, there should be a lot of good qb's to choose from next season. If the Panthers regress from this past year it could end up being a very nice pick.
FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
Don't underestimate the $$$$$ that teams are saving by doing this. If there is a guy that they had top 20-30 on their board that is still there, it is a golden deal!Panthers gave up a 1st round pick next year for Everette Brown....wow.....teams must really hate their 1st rounders next year
David Dodds
Administrator
This was my take too. And not just any 1st rounder. SF got Carolina's 1st rounder. They are not a lock at a winning season at all.Panthers gave up a 1st round pick next year for Everette Brown....wow.....teams must really hate their 1st rounders next year
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Haven't followed Pat White at all really, very confused why the Fins take him here. I understand that we need more offensive players that are of NFL quality, but this just seems like an add to the wildcat which was less effective as the year continued.
I love what detroit is doing; 1) draft Pettrigrew--this helps the entire offense. It helps stafford, smith, Calvin Johnson, and the O-Line. Great pick. 2) Delmas could be a defensive leader of the new regime for A decade. 3) Schwart must have some plan for the O-Line. I can see them keeping at least three positions (Backus, Riola (sp), Cherlius) of the line intact 4) the ongoing theme of the draft is that stars come from every round.
I also marvel at the Pats STILL. They have multiple picks with the best value.
The dolphins just picked up Pat White. Great pick. Someone said that the wildcat is a fad. It is league wide but it will stick with certain coaches. Mel Kiper is dead wrong about his value at QB. I could see him as the cornerstone of practically a quarter of a playbook. That isn't even considering if he ever actually is a starting QB. It would be a waste of talent and hence value to not try him at QB. Chad Henne is still unproven and if he fails why not Pat White if he is still viable in 3 to four years?
I also marvel at the Pats STILL. They have multiple picks with the best value.
The dolphins just picked up Pat White. Great pick. Someone said that the wildcat is a fad. It is league wide but it will stick with certain coaches. Mel Kiper is dead wrong about his value at QB. I could see him as the cornerstone of practically a quarter of a playbook. That isn't even considering if he ever actually is a starting QB. It would be a waste of talent and hence value to not try him at QB. Chad Henne is still unproven and if he fails why not Pat White if he is still viable in 3 to four years?
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MSULions
Footballguy
if you think Pettigrew would have made it more than 5 picks longer than #20, you are doing it all very wrong.and he helps everyone on Offense...Kevin Smith is very happy, Stafford is very happy, Backus is very happy...he upgrades run blocking, adds a great threat on O, and will also protect the QB. it was a great pick.odd no other TEs have been drafted yet...good thing the lions stepped upi and grabbed one before other teams caught on!
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the Raiders should win the bronze in the 4x100 this year
Trey
Footballguy
See I'm very excited about Pat White... Explosive with the ball in his hands and we have a creative OC who can do that.Also, there were several times that we ran the WildCat with Ronnie Brown where we had a WR/TE/RB running free and he just couldn't get him the ball (Week 17 vs. the Jets comes to mind immediately). That won't happen anymore if Pat White is back there.I really really like this pick.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Paula Abdul says "Mike Mitchell can run". The Raiders are making this draft their own.....
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
Buffalo would have certainly drafted Pettigrew at #28. But was he a reach for the Lions at #20? Yes probably. He's a first round talent and it's doubtful he would have slipped to 2.1.odd no other TEs have been drafted yet...good thing the lions stepped upi and grabbed one before other teams caught on!
Tecumseh
Footballguy
"I never heard of this guy until 3 weeks ago."Gruden trying not to laugh his ### off.
saintfool
Dead sexy
i think this is a great pick for them. yes, the wildcat does play a part in the decision-making there but he's a terrific athlete. he can learn "proper" QBing from chad a year or so. he's very capable. this is a good fit.
drfeelgood
Footballguy
No team is a lock.This was my take too. And not just any 1st rounder. SF got Carolina's 1st rounder. They are not a lock at a winning season at all.Panthers gave up a 1st round pick next year for Everette Brown....wow.....teams must really hate their 1st rounders next year
aardball44
Footballguy
Leave it to the Detroit Lions to commit a classic fantasy draft error in the NFL draft.odd no other TEs have been drafted yet...good thing the lions stepped upi and grabbed one before other teams caught on!
just saying that there were more important things, imo... and that there are a few TEs this year.... agree Pettigrew is more than a solid TE, but I see that as more a finishing touch, maybe NE, or GB, than DET...more pressing.. but the earlier argument about OL, and Reciever, help in one, holds water..if you think Pettigrew would have made it more than 5 picks longer than #20, you are doing it all very wrong.odd no other TEs have been drafted yet...good thing the lions stepped upi and grabbed one before other teams caught on!
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
If the NFL loses its salary cap from now on, everyone else in the league should just fold and hand the keys to New England. They already dominate in a salary cap era and with Kraft's deep pockets, they would crush everyone without a salary cap. It'd be like the Yankees only with the ability to properly evaluate talent and put together a team.
Sinrman
Footballguy
I think Pat White is going to be an excellent pick. Kid has a good arm and very quick. I think he's even better than Michael Vick was back when he was coming out of college. Not quite as fast, but much more accurate, and just as dangerous. Being a Michigan fan, I don't think Chad Henne is going to be much. I could see Pat White beating him out in the next year or two...
Reaper
Footballguy
Nfl.com Tracker has no info on him... Was he in jail?"I never heard of this guy until 3 weeks ago."Gruden trying not to laugh his ### off.
HellToupee
Footballguy
David Dodds
Administrator
Wow....This is so BAD. He did not even get invited to the combine, but is worthy of a 2nd rounder from the Raiders...Nfl.com Tracker has no info on him... Was he in jail?"I never heard of this guy until 3 weeks ago."Gruden trying not to laugh his ### off.Raiders.
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Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
I see them lining him up wide, or behind the QB and swinging him out, and doing some flea flicker type passes. Their talent on offense right now just took a spike - Ronnie, Ricky, Ted Ginn, Pat White - all are real exciting with the ball in their hands.
FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
Loadholt and Beatty still there...hopefully one makes it to #54!!
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
73rd best safety on the board"he's probably out playing basketball right now and he gets a phone call"
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Confirmed - NFL.com has no information on him.Wow....This is so BAD. He did not even get invited to the combine, but is worthy of a 2nd rounder from the Raiders...Nfl.com Tracker has no info on him... Was he in jail?"I never heard of this guy until 3 weeks ago."Gruden trying not to laugh his ### off.
HellToupee
Footballguy
for the love of God the NFL should seize the Raiders
AnonymousBob
Footballguy
at not having film on Mitchell. Kiper "They could have waited 'til the fifth round."...what a joke.
David Dodds
Administrator
Holy crap..this is funny
And as sad as it is, that's the God's honest truth.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Balco
Footballguy
Not impressed with Loadholt. Guy looks does not have athleticism, and is going to really struggle as a pass blocker in the pros. Beatty really needs to gain strength in the run game, but he is an excellent pass blocker.
MSULions
Footballguy
I just think it's very obvious that Mayhew and Schwartz know that they aren't going to fix this thing in one year and are therefore taking BPA no matter the position, because they can upgrade everywhere. Which means they are taking a very reasoned approach to all of this and not hamstringing themselves by locking into a position rather than a player - unlike their predecessor who was obsessed with getting "weapons." They are instead getting players...and two or three drafts like this and they are an entirely different franchise.just saying that there were more important things, imo... and that there are a few TEs this year.... agree Pettigrew is more than a solid TE, but I see that as more a finishing touch, maybe NE, or GB, than DET...more pressing.. but the earlier argument about OL, and Reciever, help in one, holds water..if you think Pettigrew would have made it more than 5 picks longer than #20, you are doing it all very wrong.odd no other TEs have been drafted yet...good thing the lions stepped upi and grabbed one before other teams caught on!
Desert_Power
Footballguy
If he is going to be an added weapon to add to the O then I like this pick. If we are drafting him to be groomed at QB(after drafting Henne last year and Beck the year before that) then I am not a big fan.
fissure man
Footballguy
Has somebody already commented on Jon Gruden's hair?
WTF is going on? The front half of his head looks normal, then he's got a Donald Trump think going on in the back.
WTF is going on? The front half of his head looks normal, then he's got a Donald Trump think going on in the back.
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yellowdog
Footballguy
Oof!
Footballguy
It's one of the most amazing things I've ever seen from the NFL draft. Ever.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Raiders must be trying to qualify for some type of federal bailout.
Tight Ends were key in TEN where Schwarz is fromI just think it's very obvious that Mayhew and Schwartz know that they aren't going to fix this thing in one year and are therefore taking BPA no matter the position, because they can upgrade everywhere. Which means they are taking a very reasoned approach to all of this and not hamstringing themselves by locking into a position rather than a player - unlike their predecessor who was obsessed with getting "weapons." They are instead getting players...and two or three drafts like this and they are an entirely different franchise.just saying that there were more important things, imo... and that there are a few TEs this year.... agree Pettigrew is more than a solid TE, but I see that as more a finishing touch, maybe NE, or GB, than DET...more pressing.. but the earlier argument about OL, and Reciever, help in one, holds water..if you think Pettigrew would have made it more than 5 picks longer than #20, you are doing it all very wrong.odd no other TEs have been drafted yet...good thing the lions stepped upi and grabbed one before other teams caught on!
stp-d
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