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****OFFICIAL 2009 Off Season Washington Redskins Thread**** (1 Viewer)

Has anyone heard anything more about DJ Hackett or Kelly Washington possibly signing with the Skins?
Last I heard Washington was participating in the Ravens minicamp and would make a decision afterwards; Hackett had some personal issue or another come up (supposedly - I assume he's just buying time to weigh options) but still has the 'Skins' contract offer in hand.
 
I'm glad Jansen is getting reps at G and C, too. Since he's extremely uncapfriendly (i.e., impossible) to cut, having him available as serviceable depth all the way across the line would maximize whatever is left of his on-field value.
Jansen still excels at run blocking. I wonder if he could beat out Dockery at guard, if given the opportunity.
Yeah, we heard all last year how Jansen can still be effective run blocking. If so, I'd use him in jumbo packages.
 
I'm glad Jansen is getting reps at G and C, too. Since he's extremely uncapfriendly (i.e., impossible) to cut, having him available as serviceable depth all the way across the line would maximize whatever is left of his on-field value.
Jansen still excels at run blocking. I wonder if he could beat out Dockery at guard, if given the opportunity.
Yeah, we heard all last year how Jansen can still be effective run blocking. If so, I'd use him in jumbo packages.
Moving Jansen not only inside, but also to the opposite side to Dockery's LG position is asking a lot. I'm also not sure that he's any more mobile than Dockery is nowadays, and he may well be less mobile, which is key because the guards are used to pull a lot. I agree on the Jumbo packages though, but then again does Zorn really even use those?
 
Pisa Tinoisamoa was released by the Rams. IIRC he played both weak and strong side.
Will he accept a vet minimum contract?I know there are question marks and experimentations with the current SLB situation, but in a way, there is already a logjam there. Orakpo and Wilson are working there along with Blades. Plus Thomas and Fincher are still around, and though I haven't heard specifically, I'm assuming they are (or will be) getting some reps at SLB, too.Basically, I'm wondering how much of an upgrade Pisa would be over any of those guys, and is that improvement (if any) worth whatever he's asking for.ETA: He had a $3 million salary last season with a $4+ million dollar cap hit. I'm guessing he'll get ~$2-3 million from someone other than the 'Skins. Also, the Rams seem to be in a similar LB situation in that they have little to no depth and a ? at SLB. You have to wonder why he was released (i.e. is there baggage you wouldn't want brought over).
 
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Matt Terl posted a short interview with Fred Davis. I really liked Davis' answer to this question:

So if you could call back in time a year, what would you tell that version of you?

Davis: "I wouldn't, because I think everybody's gotta go through the situation where they're gonna learn and become even more of a man. I think it's better that I pretty much had to sit a year. I think it makes me more hungry this year to be able to come out and help the Redskins any way that I can."
 
Matt Terl posted a short interview with Fred Davis. I really liked Davis' answer to this question:

So if you could call back in time a year, what would you tell that version of you?

Davis: "I wouldn't, because I think everybody's gotta go through the situation where they're gonna learn and become even more of a man. I think it's better that I pretty much had to sit a year. I think it makes me more hungry this year to be able to come out and help the Redskins any way that I can."
It's looking more and more like Thomas and Davis got a little culture shock transitioning from the college ranks to the pros, and have used that as a wake-up call. We don't seem to talk about Davis much, but I believe he could have as much of an impact upon the team's fortunes if he emerges as Thomas and Kelly could.

 
I had posted the thread a few days ago at ES, Balt Sun reported that Hackett is also participating in their mini camp. They also mentioned that Baltimore could sign all 4 wr's (washington, hackett, j. Porter, and teb perry).

 
Matt Terl posted a short interview with Fred Davis. I really liked Davis' answer to this question:

So if you could call back in time a year, what would you tell that version of you?

Davis: "I wouldn't, because I think everybody's gotta go through the situation where they're gonna learn and become even more of a man. I think it's better that I pretty much had to sit a year. I think it makes me more hungry this year to be able to come out and help the Redskins any way that I can."
It's looking more and more like Thomas and Davis got a little culture shock transitioning from the college ranks to the pros, and have used that as a wake-up call. We don't seem to talk about Davis much, but I believe he could have as much of an impact upon the team's fortunes if he emerges as Thomas and Kelly could.
It is just hard for me to imagine a 2nd TE adding that much to any offense. When have 2 TEs ever had great years on the same team before? The most I am hoping for from Davis is that we don't miss a beat if Cooely needs a breather. Other than that and maybe one double TE formation a week I'm not sure what there is to be excited about. Unless of course Davis is the next Gonzo or Gates. Not holding my breath for that.

 
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Matt Terl posted a short interview with Fred Davis. I really liked Davis' answer to this question:

So if you could call back in time a year, what would you tell that version of you?

Davis: "I wouldn't, because I think everybody's gotta go through the situation where they're gonna learn and become even more of a man. I think it's better that I pretty much had to sit a year. I think it makes me more hungry this year to be able to come out and help the Redskins any way that I can."
It's looking more and more like Thomas and Davis got a little culture shock transitioning from the college ranks to the pros, and have used that as a wake-up call. We don't seem to talk about Davis much, but I believe he could have as much of an impact upon the team's fortunes if he emerges as Thomas and Kelly could.
It is just hard for me to imagine a 2nd TE adding that much to any offense. When have 2 TEs ever had great years on the same team before? The most I am hoping for from Davis is that we don't miss a beat if Cooely needs a breather. Other than that and maybe one double TE formation a week I'm not sure what there is to be excited about. Unless of course Davis is the next Gonzo or Gates. Not holding my breath for that.
I'm not necessarily talking about fantasy impact, but just opening up that passing offense. I think they could have a very effective 2TE set with both guys being athletic pass catchers, and also adding to the run blocking. That would create a lot of problems for defenses.
 
Matt Terl posted a short interview with Fred Davis. I really liked Davis' answer to this question:

So if you could call back in time a year, what would you tell that version of you?

Davis: "I wouldn't, because I think everybody's gotta go through the situation where they're gonna learn and become even more of a man. I think it's better that I pretty much had to sit a year. I think it makes me more hungry this year to be able to come out and help the Redskins any way that I can."
It's looking more and more like Thomas and Davis got a little culture shock transitioning from the college ranks to the pros, and have used that as a wake-up call. We don't seem to talk about Davis much, but I believe he could have as much of an impact upon the team's fortunes if he emerges as Thomas and Kelly could.
It is just hard for me to imagine a 2nd TE adding that much to any offense. When have 2 TEs ever had great years on the same team before? The most I am hoping for from Davis is that we don't miss a beat if Cooely needs a breather. Other than that and maybe one double TE formation a week I'm not sure what there is to be excited about. Unless of course Davis is the next Gonzo or Gates. Not holding my breath for that.
I'm not necessarily talking about fantasy impact, but just opening up that passing offense. I think they could have a very effective 2TE set with both guys being athletic pass catchers, and also adding to the run blocking. That would create a lot of problems for defenses.
I wasn't thinking fantasy either. This thread isn't for that. Neither Davis nor Cooley are known for their blocking. If Davis gets 3 TDs I will be very pleased (as a fan, not as a Cooley owner). A couple big third down conversions would be nice too. I just can't see him doing more than that with Cooley around.

 
I mentioned this in an earlier Post somewhere, I think. It's directly from the folks I know who are directly involved with the Players on a daily basis.

There's growing opinion that Thomas is beginning to develop, but he's nowhere near where he is either supposed to be, or where he needs to be. To paraphrase, they're no longer scared to put him on the field during Games. If that isn't damning with faint praise, I don't know what is.

Kelly is still a high-risk medical concern, and his prognosis is limited at best.

Shame, really, because if you could put the two of them together, you'd have a hell of a WR

Davis has been practicing almost exclusively as an extra OFFENSIVE LINEMAN. He's TREMENDOUSLY strong and powerful, and can do some things with a Blocking Sled that absolutely blow Joe Bugel's mind. They don't at this time view him as much of a critical component of the passing game. Much more Don Warren/Ron Middleton than Clint Didier/Chris Cooley.

 
I mentioned this in an earlier Post somewhere, I think. It's directly from the folks I know who are directly involved with the Players on a daily basis.

There's growing opinion that Thomas is beginning to develop, but he's nowhere near where he is either supposed to be, or where he needs to be. To paraphrase, they're no longer scared to put him on the field during Games. If that isn't damning with faint praise, I don't know what is.

Kelly is still a high-risk medical concern, and his prognosis is limited at best.

Shame, really, because if you could put the two of them together, you'd have a hell of a WR

Davis has been practicing almost exclusively as an extra OFFENSIVE LINEMAN. He's TREMENDOUSLY strong and powerful, and can do some things with a Blocking Sled that absolutely blow Joe Bugel's mind. They don't at this time view him as much of a critical component of the passing game. Much more Don Warren/Ron Middleton than Clint Didier/Chris Cooley.
My understanding is that but-for Kelly's knees, he's have been more or less hands-down the best WR in that draft and a top 10 pick. It's why I thought the risk was warranted with him. Why not take a stab at a guy who could be not just serviceable or good but a great player in the 2nd round? That's interesting news regarding Davis- he may end up being our team's version of Daniel Graham, heralded when he came into the league as a pass catcher but an all around solid TE who is used more for blocking. We can't complain if he's contributing, but if you saw him at USC you also saw a very talented receiver at work - his senior season he was hands down the best receiver on that team. It wasn't close, and his route running and hands were outstanding.

 
T Bell said:
nittanylion said:
I mentioned this in an earlier Post somewhere, I think. It's directly from the folks I know who are directly involved with the Players on a daily basis.

There's growing opinion that Thomas is beginning to develop, but he's nowhere near where he is either supposed to be, or where he needs to be. To paraphrase, they're no longer scared to put him on the field during Games. If that isn't damning with faint praise, I don't know what is.

Kelly is still a high-risk medical concern, and his prognosis is limited at best.

Shame, really, because if you could put the two of them together, you'd have a hell of a WR

Davis has been practicing almost exclusively as an extra OFFENSIVE LINEMAN. He's TREMENDOUSLY strong and powerful, and can do some things with a Blocking Sled that absolutely blow Joe Bugel's mind. They don't at this time view him as much of a critical component of the passing game. Much more Don Warren/Ron Middleton than Clint Didier/Chris Cooley.
My understanding is that but-for Kelly's knees, he's have been more or less hands-down the best WR in that draft and a top 10 pick. It's why I thought the risk was warranted with him. Why not take a stab at a guy who could be not just serviceable or good but a great player in the 2nd round? That's interesting news regarding Davis- he may end up being our team's version of Daniel Graham, heralded when he came into the league as a pass catcher but an all around solid TE who is used more for blocking. We can't complain if he's contributing, but if you saw him at USC you also saw a very talented receiver at work - his senior season he was hands down the best receiver on that team. It wasn't close, and his route running and hands were outstanding.
I was thinking recently that Davis needs to do some blocking to move ahead of Yoder on the depth chart and get some snaps with Cooley on the field. It is just so hard to imagine that Davis could ever take snaps away from Cooley.
 
T Bell said:
nittanylion said:
I mentioned this in an earlier Post somewhere, I think. It's directly from the folks I know who are directly involved with the Players on a daily basis.

There's growing opinion that Thomas is beginning to develop, but he's nowhere near where he is either supposed to be, or where he needs to be. To paraphrase, they're no longer scared to put him on the field during Games. If that isn't damning with faint praise, I don't know what is.

Kelly is still a high-risk medical concern, and his prognosis is limited at best.

Shame, really, because if you could put the two of them together, you'd have a hell of a WR

Davis has been practicing almost exclusively as an extra OFFENSIVE LINEMAN. He's TREMENDOUSLY strong and powerful, and can do some things with a Blocking Sled that absolutely blow Joe Bugel's mind. They don't at this time view him as much of a critical component of the passing game. Much more Don Warren/Ron Middleton than Clint Didier/Chris Cooley.
My understanding is that but-for Kelly's knees, he's have been more or less hands-down the best WR in that draft and a top 10 pick. It's why I thought the risk was warranted with him. Why not take a stab at a guy who could be not just serviceable or good but a great player in the 2nd round? That's interesting news regarding Davis- he may end up being our team's version of Daniel Graham, heralded when he came into the league as a pass catcher but an all around solid TE who is used more for blocking. We can't complain if he's contributing, but if you saw him at USC you also saw a very talented receiver at work - his senior season he was hands down the best receiver on that team. It wasn't close, and his route running and hands were outstanding.
I was thinking recently that Davis needs to do some blocking to move ahead of Yoder on the depth chart and get some snaps with Cooley on the field. It is just so hard to imagine that Davis could ever take snaps away from Cooley.
Cooley's a Pro Bowl TE. Davis won't take snaps from Cooley until Cooley's skills start to decline, which means for the forseeable future. You're right, his competition is really with Yoder, but once he's earned his way into that lineup, we should see more 2TE sets given his greater versatility as a receiving threat than Yoder has.
 
2 different articles, mainly discussing Kelly Washington (2nd one has a bit more insight). No mention of Hackett (he was originally reported to be at their camp and a possible signing) and his performance, maybe he didn't attend. Interesting part is that they say they want to sign only one, but don't seem to be too determined in doing it by saying "But it depends on their situation and what else they have going on. It's just hard to predict right now." It could be safe to assume that they were not blown away by any of their performance. Biggest part in article that 2nd quote was taken from is that they singled out two of their younger WR's in having very strong camps. Could have impact on how pressed they are to sign Washington.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/footbal...story?track=rss

Washington the winner in WR tryout?

Receiver appears to have better showing than Porter, Perry during minicamp

By Jamison Hensley | jamison.hensley@baltsun.com

1:08 PM EDT, May 10, 2009

While the coaches didn't signal a winner, Kelley Washington appeared to have the best showing of the three wide receivers trying out for the Ravens.

Washington, a free agent who played for the Cincinnati Bengals and New England Patriots, stood out in Sunday's two-minute drill, diving to make one catch and pulling in a nice throw from Troy Smith for a touchdown.

He punctuated the score with a shimmying dance in the end zone.

"I was able to make some good plays and some bad plays," Washington said Sunday, the final day of the Ravens' mandatory minicamp. "But the thing I wanted to focus on was the individual drills. I wanted to show them that I could get in and out of routes and catch the ball. There's only so many things you can do in five practices."

Now, the Ravens have to make a decision whether to sign Washington, Jerry Porter or Tab Perry over the next few days. Washington has received a contract for the veteran minimum from the Washington Redskins.

"To be fair, we would like to sign at least one guy," coach John Harbaugh said. "But it depends on their situation and what else they have going on. It's just hard to predict right now. But we liked all three guys."
http://www.carrollcountytimes.com/articles...book_may_11.txt
A former Cincinnati Bengals third-round draft pick, Washington turned in a diving touchdown catch on a Troy Smith throw20and celebrated the score with an end-zone dance.

"Kelley did well," Ravens coach John Harbaugh said. "Kelley is a big, strong receiver."

The Ravens are pondering the respective merits of Washington, Jerry Porter and Tab Perry. Washington appears to have separated himself from the pack, though.

"To be fair, we would like to sign at least one guy," Harbaugh said. "But it depends on their situation and what else they have going on. It’s just hard to predict right now, but we liked all three guys."

Washington has a veteran minimum contract offer from the Washington Redskins, but is hoping to receive a competing offer from the Ravens as soon as today after team officials deliberate about what they saw this weekend.

"It would be a great problem to have," Washington said. "It’s a situation where I have to weigh the pros and cons of each situation and go from there. I was in Washington and they offered me a deal, but I didn’t take it. I wanted to come here and experience what it was like to be a Raven, how they worked and how they do things here.

"I just wanted to run around and get a feel for their situation offensively and special teams. It was a good experience. I did some good things. There are some things I need to work on. It’s just all part of being a free agent and trying to make the team. I was able to make a couple plays, run around and compete."
 
Ahhh...and now we know why Hackett was not mentioned in the mini camp performance for the Ravens...

-- D.J. Hackett Visits Texans --

Fri May 8, 2009

The Baltimore Sun reports free-agent WR D.J. Hackett visited the Houston Texans instead of trying out for the Ravens.

 
Did you guys see that Brian Mitchell was dropped by ESPN 980-Redskins Radio (WTEM) and won't be affiliated with the station any further? Both he and Al Koken got axed from John Thompson's show and Doc "Manhood" Walker got shifted over to assist Coach Thompson. I guess the Larry Michael Show where no dissenting word on the Burgundy and Gold is ever tolerated will be debuting shortly and that The Beltbuckle Kid finally got fed up with BMitch slamming him and the team at every opportunity. And this was announced just a couple of days after BMitch was notified he was getting a spot in the Ring of Fame at FedEx Field.

 
Did you guys see that Brian Mitchell was dropped by ESPN 980-Redskins Radio (WTEM) and won't be affiliated with the station any further? Both he and Al Koken got axed from John Thompson's show and Doc "Manhood" Walker got shifted over to assist Coach Thompson. I guess the Larry Michael Show where no dissenting word on the Burgundy and Gold is ever tolerated will be debuting shortly and that The Beltbuckle Kid finally got fed up with BMitch slamming him and the team at every opportunity. And this was announced just a couple of days after BMitch was notified he was getting a spot in the Ring of Fame at FedEx Field.
I haven't listened to 980 in years, but I never could stand "Smokin'" (!) Al K. This is the channel Danny Boy now owns?
 
Did you guys see that Brian Mitchell was dropped by ESPN 980-Redskins Radio (WTEM) and won't be affiliated with the station any further? Both he and Al Koken got axed from John Thompson's show and Doc "Manhood" Walker got shifted over to assist Coach Thompson. I guess the Larry Michael Show where no dissenting word on the Burgundy and Gold is ever tolerated will be debuting shortly and that The Beltbuckle Kid finally got fed up with BMitch slamming him and the team at every opportunity. And this was announced just a couple of days after BMitch was notified he was getting a spot in the Ring of Fame at FedEx Field.
every time I hear or see Larry Michael, it makes me want to vomit filthy green stomach bile on his punk-axx faceit would be nice to have an alternative sports talker. one that covers other DC sports more than 980. As a local, I support all the home teams and I'm not alone.sorry to hear about BMitch (as I was to hear about Smokin Al, and most especially, Phil Wood (baseball))
 
Did you guys see that Brian Mitchell was dropped by ESPN 980-Redskins Radio (WTEM) and won't be affiliated with the station any further? Both he and Al Koken got axed from John Thompson's show and Doc "Manhood" Walker got shifted over to assist Coach Thompson. I guess the Larry Michael Show where no dissenting word on the Burgundy and Gold is ever tolerated will be debuting shortly and that The Beltbuckle Kid finally got fed up with BMitch slamming him and the team at every opportunity. And this was announced just a couple of days after BMitch was notified he was getting a spot in the Ring of Fame at FedEx Field.
It's possible he was let go because he spoke his mind, but it's also possible that he was let go simply because he's painful to listen to.
 
Did you guys see that Brian Mitchell was dropped by ESPN 980-Redskins Radio (WTEM) and won't be affiliated with the station any further? Both he and Al Koken got axed from John Thompson's show and Doc "Manhood" Walker got shifted over to assist Coach Thompson. I guess the Larry Michael Show where no dissenting word on the Burgundy and Gold is ever tolerated will be debuting shortly and that The Beltbuckle Kid finally got fed up with BMitch slamming him and the team at every opportunity. And this was announced just a couple of days after BMitch was notified he was getting a spot in the Ring of Fame at FedEx Field.
I hadn't seen that yet. It's too bad, but not surprising. ESPN980 is gradually being made into a copy of Redskins.com.I agree with buster, it would be great to have a local sports radio station that could actually cover area sports objectively without fear of being fired. It's no wonder Snyder's been at war with the Washington Post for years --- their reporters won't give up sportscasting and become Larry Michael clones. Koken was a bad fit when the Thompson show had him, Walker, and Thompson as the cast. I stopped listening to it several years ago because, as likeable as he is as a person, John Thompson sucks on radio. He's the worst. Doc Walker frustrates me. The guy clearly understands a lot, and I've heard some very good analysis from him. But he strays from Topic A to subtopics B and C and D, can't figure out how he got there and get back to Topic A, runs short on time, and wraps too many things up with "manhood issue" oversimpflications. The guy could be good if he was just more organized.I guess Polian and Czaban will be next on the hit list.Larry Michael blows.
 
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fatness said:
DCThunder said:
Did you guys see that Brian Mitchell was dropped by ESPN 980-Redskins Radio (WTEM) and won't be affiliated with the station any further? Both he and Al Koken got axed from John Thompson's show and Doc "Manhood" Walker got shifted over to assist Coach Thompson. I guess the Larry Michael Show where no dissenting word on the Burgundy and Gold is ever tolerated will be debuting shortly and that The Beltbuckle Kid finally got fed up with BMitch slamming him and the team at every opportunity. And this was announced just a couple of days after BMitch was notified he was getting a spot in the Ring of Fame at FedEx Field.
I hadn't seen that yet. It's too bad, but not surprising. ESPN980 is gradually being made into a copy of Redskins.com.I agree with buster, it would be great to have a local sports radio station that could actually cover area sports objectively without fear of being fired. It's no wonder Snyder's been at war with the Washington Post for years --- their reporters won't give up sportscasting and become Larry Michael clones. Koken was a bad fit when the Thompson show had him, Walker, and Thompson as the cast. I stopped listening to it several years ago because, as likeable as he is as a person, John Thompson sucks on radio. He's the worst. Doc Walker frustrates me. The guy clearly understands a lot, and I've heard some very good analysis from him. But he strays from Topic A to subtopics B and C and D, can't figure out how he got there and get back to Topic A, runs short on time, and wraps too many things up with "manhood issue" oversimpflications. The guy could be good if he was just more organized.I guess Polian and Czaban will be next on the hit list.Larry Michael blows.
The only time I listen to 980 is in the afternoon to hear Andy and Czabe. I occasionally catch part of Thompson's show, but not often.As for Larry Michael, can you imagine what will happen when Sonny and Sam finally hang them up and Michael and some other bunch of Redskins homers does the game broadcasts? It'll be brutal.
 
Good that BMitch is gone and I hope he doesn't catch on anywhere else. Too bad they are putting him in the ring of fame because he doesn't deserve it. I used to like him when he originally played with us, but after he held secret conferences with reporters in the back halls of Redskins park and ultimately went to not one rival, but two... SEE YA!!!

I tried to listen to him, but he wasn't telling it like it is and just not being a programmed clone, but was spiteful. If you had never known that he played for the 'Skins, you would never have been able to tell by his comments either. He actually sounded like he came or played from a rival. BMitch is a punk!!!

BTW - BMitch wasn't "let go," his contract just wasn't re-newed. Thus, he worked the length of his contract and they had seen and heard enough to decide that they didn't want him back.

 
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Good that BMitch is gone and I hope he doesn't catch on anywhere else. Too bad they are putting him in the ring of fame because he doesn't deserve it. I used to like him when he originally played with us, but after he held secret conferences with reporters in the back halls of Redskins park and ultimately went to not one rival, but two... SEE YA!!!I tried to listen to him, but he wasn't telling it like it is and just not being a programmed clone, but was spiteful. If you had never known that he played for the 'Skins, you would never have been able to tell by his comments either. He actually sounded like he came or played from a rival. BMitch is a punk!!!BTW - BMitch wasn't "let go," his contract just wasn't re-newed. Thus, he worked the length of his contract and they had seen and heard enough to decide that they didn't want him back.
Biz, I agree that a great deal of what BMitch said about the team was based on spite and his personal hurt feelings by being cut to make cap room for Dieon Sanders, and I don't want to be seen as a defender of his because I found him off-putting at times too. I'll wager that he's still on CSN's pre-and post-game shows next fall, and could be even more pointed because he's lost his radio perch.And the semantic difference between being "let go" and being "not renewed" isn't worth arguing about.
 
Good that BMitch is gone and I hope he doesn't catch on anywhere else. Too bad they are putting him in the ring of fame because he doesn't deserve it. I used to like him when he originally played with us, but after he held secret conferences with reporters in the back halls of Redskins park and ultimately went to not one rival, but two... SEE YA!!!I tried to listen to him, but he wasn't telling it like it is and just not being a programmed clone, but was spiteful. If you had never known that he played for the 'Skins, you would never have been able to tell by his comments either. He actually sounded like he came or played from a rival. BMitch is a punk!!!BTW - BMitch wasn't "let go," his contract just wasn't re-newed. Thus, he worked the length of his contract and they had seen and heard enough to decide that they didn't want him back.
Biz, I agree that a great deal of what BMitch said about the team was based on spite and his personal hurt feelings by being cut to make cap room for Dieon Sanders, and I don't want to be seen as a defender of his because I found him off-putting at times too. I'll wager that he's still on CSN's pre-and post-game shows next fall, and could be even more pointed because he's lost his radio perch.And the semantic difference between being "let go" and being "not renewed" isn't worth arguing about.
Not renewed = let go with no $ from the company. It's the cheapest way to get rid of someone.
 
DCThunder said:
Good that BMitch is gone and I hope he doesn't catch on anywhere else. Too bad they are putting him in the ring of fame because he doesn't deserve it. I used to like him when he originally played with us, but after he held secret conferences with reporters in the back halls of Redskins park and ultimately went to not one rival, but two... SEE YA!!!I tried to listen to him, but he wasn't telling it like it is and just not being a programmed clone, but was spiteful. If you had never known that he played for the 'Skins, you would never have been able to tell by his comments either. He actually sounded like he came or played from a rival. BMitch is a punk!!!BTW - BMitch wasn't "let go," his contract just wasn't re-newed. Thus, he worked the length of his contract and they had seen and heard enough to decide that they didn't want him back.
Biz, I agree that a great deal of what BMitch said about the team was based on spite and his personal hurt feelings by being cut to make cap room for Dieon Sanders, and I don't want to be seen as a defender of his because I found him off-putting at times too. I'll wager that he's still on CSN's pre-and post-game shows next fall, and could be even more pointed because he's lost his radio perch.And the semantic difference between being "let go" and being "not renewed" isn't worth arguing about.
good historical context DCT, with the reference to Dieon. and the genesis of the little rich boy over paying 'others' and not taking care of 'your own.' the most certain formula for a disfunctional team.biz - you know that Art Monk went to play for the bEagles, in an ugly separation from the Skins. he actually took less to play for another team (jets). same feelings you have towards #30 apply to ol' #81?
 
DCThunder said:
Good that BMitch is gone and I hope he doesn't catch on anywhere else. Too bad they are putting him in the ring of fame because he doesn't deserve it. I used to like him when he originally played with us, but after he held secret conferences with reporters in the back halls of Redskins park and ultimately went to not one rival, but two... SEE YA!!!

I tried to listen to him, but he wasn't telling it like it is and just not being a programmed clone, but was spiteful. If you had never known that he played for the 'Skins, you would never have been able to tell by his comments either. He actually sounded like he came or played from a rival. BMitch is a punk!!!

BTW - BMitch wasn't "let go," his contract just wasn't re-newed. Thus, he worked the length of his contract and they had seen and heard enough to decide that they didn't want him back.
Biz, I agree that a great deal of what BMitch said about the team was based on spite and his personal hurt feelings by being cut to make cap room for Dieon Sanders, and I don't want to be seen as a defender of his because I found him off-putting at times too. I'll wager that he's still on CSN's pre-and post-game shows next fall, and could be even more pointed because he's lost his radio perch.And the semantic difference between being "let go" and being "not renewed" isn't worth arguing about.
good historical context DCT, with the reference to Dieon. and the genesis of the little rich boy over paying 'others' and not taking care of 'your own.' the most certain formula for a disfunctional team.biz - you know that Art Monk went to play for the bEagles, in an ugly separation from the Skins. he actually took less to play for another team (jets). same feelings you have towards #30 apply to ol' #81?
It was actually a combo of Deion and Larry Centers who, combined, took over Mitchell's duties. I felt it was unnecessary to have two (expensive) guys fill the role that had been ably filled, with the exception of the third CB role that Deion was filling, by one man, but that's what they did. Mitchell was a very good third down back and PR/KR. I will add, however, that I took a dim view of him personalizing all of this, and he came across like a whiny, wounded little B-Mitch which I do fault him for. He apparently didn't get the memo that "NFL" stands for "not for long", and that it certainly doesn't stand for "forever".

 
DCThunder said:
Good that BMitch is gone and I hope he doesn't catch on anywhere else. Too bad they are putting him in the ring of fame because he doesn't deserve it. I used to like him when he originally played with us, but after he held secret conferences with reporters in the back halls of Redskins park and ultimately went to not one rival, but two... SEE YA!!!

I tried to listen to him, but he wasn't telling it like it is and just not being a programmed clone, but was spiteful. If you had never known that he played for the 'Skins, you would never have been able to tell by his comments either. He actually sounded like he came or played from a rival. BMitch is a punk!!!

BTW - BMitch wasn't "let go," his contract just wasn't re-newed. Thus, he worked the length of his contract and they had seen and heard enough to decide that they didn't want him back.
Biz, I agree that a great deal of what BMitch said about the team was based on spite and his personal hurt feelings by being cut to make cap room for Dieon Sanders, and I don't want to be seen as a defender of his because I found him off-putting at times too. I'll wager that he's still on CSN's pre-and post-game shows next fall, and could be even more pointed because he's lost his radio perch.And the semantic difference between being "let go" and being "not renewed" isn't worth arguing about.
good historical context DCT, with the reference to Dieon. and the genesis of the little rich boy over paying 'others' and not taking care of 'your own.' the most certain formula for a disfunctional team.biz - you know that Art Monk went to play for the bEagles, in an ugly separation from the Skins. he actually took less to play for another team (jets). same feelings you have towards #30 apply to ol' #81?
It was actually a combo of Deion and Larry Centers who, combined, took over Mitchell's duties. I felt it was unnecessary to have two (expensive) guys fill the role that had been ably filled, with the exception of the third CB role that Deion was filling, by one man, but that's what they did. Mitchell was a very good third down back and PR/KR. I will add, however, that I took a dim view of him personalizing all of this, and he came across like a whiny, wounded little B-Mitch which I do fault him for. He apparently didn't get the memo that "NFL" stands for "not for long", and that it certainly doesn't stand for "forever".
IIRC, BMitch had a Monday night radio gig in those days (1999 or so) from some bar where they'd talk about the previous days game and he was boastful and a little over the top even then.
 
DCThunder said:
Good that BMitch is gone and I hope he doesn't catch on anywhere else. Too bad they are putting him in the ring of fame because he doesn't deserve it. I used to like him when he originally played with us, but after he held secret conferences with reporters in the back halls of Redskins park and ultimately went to not one rival, but two... SEE YA!!!

I tried to listen to him, but he wasn't telling it like it is and just not being a programmed clone, but was spiteful. If you had never known that he played for the 'Skins, you would never have been able to tell by his comments either. He actually sounded like he came or played from a rival. BMitch is a punk!!!

BTW - BMitch wasn't "let go," his contract just wasn't re-newed. Thus, he worked the length of his contract and they had seen and heard enough to decide that they didn't want him back.
Biz, I agree that a great deal of what BMitch said about the team was based on spite and his personal hurt feelings by being cut to make cap room for Dieon Sanders, and I don't want to be seen as a defender of his because I found him off-putting at times too. I'll wager that he's still on CSN's pre-and post-game shows next fall, and could be even more pointed because he's lost his radio perch.And the semantic difference between being "let go" and being "not renewed" isn't worth arguing about.
good historical context DCT, with the reference to Dieon. and the genesis of the little rich boy over paying 'others' and not taking care of 'your own.' the most certain formula for a disfunctional team.biz - you know that Art Monk went to play for the bEagles, in an ugly separation from the Skins. he actually took less to play for another team (jets). same feelings you have towards #30 apply to ol' #81?
It was actually a combo of Deion and Larry Centers who, combined, took over Mitchell's duties. I felt it was unnecessary to have two (expensive) guys fill the role that had been ably filled, with the exception of the third CB role that Deion was filling, by one man, but that's what they did. Mitchell was a very good third down back and PR/KR. I will add, however, that I took a dim view of him personalizing all of this, and he came across like a whiny, wounded little B-Mitch which I do fault him for. He apparently didn't get the memo that "NFL" stands for "not for long", and that it certainly doesn't stand for "forever".
I recall that BMitch has some run ins with management while he was here. So it was no surprise that the team did not want to re-sign him. I can't remember what the issues were.
 
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DCThunder said:
Good that BMitch is gone and I hope he doesn't catch on anywhere else. Too bad they are putting him in the ring of fame because he doesn't deserve it. I used to like him when he originally played with us, but after he held secret conferences with reporters in the back halls of Redskins park and ultimately went to not one rival, but two... SEE YA!!!

I tried to listen to him, but he wasn't telling it like it is and just not being a programmed clone, but was spiteful. If you had never known that he played for the 'Skins, you would never have been able to tell by his comments either. He actually sounded like he came or played from a rival. BMitch is a punk!!!

BTW - BMitch wasn't "let go," his contract just wasn't re-newed. Thus, he worked the length of his contract and they had seen and heard enough to decide that they didn't want him back.
Biz, I agree that a great deal of what BMitch said about the team was based on spite and his personal hurt feelings by being cut to make cap room for Dieon Sanders, and I don't want to be seen as a defender of his because I found him off-putting at times too. I'll wager that he's still on CSN's pre-and post-game shows next fall, and could be even more pointed because he's lost his radio perch.And the semantic difference between being "let go" and being "not renewed" isn't worth arguing about.
good historical context DCT, with the reference to Dieon. and the genesis of the little rich boy over paying 'others' and not taking care of 'your own.' the most certain formula for a disfunctional team.biz - you know that Art Monk went to play for the bEagles, in an ugly separation from the Skins. he actually took less to play for another team (jets). same feelings you have towards #30 apply to ol' #81?
Not the same at all. Granted I don't like it when any of our players go and play for a rival, unless his name is Brandon Lloyd, but it capped off what was a bitter seperation with BMitch. I remember that several negative reports were coming out of Redskins Park at the time not naming the source, then the report came out that BMitch was holding his own little press conf in the back halls at the park. This is before he was let go and his comments to this day don't show that he ever was a 'Skin at heart. He gives no props to his time with us, but easily points to Philly as an organization he looks up to.So, clearly different situation than ol 81 and I have nothing but love for Art.

 
1st thing that comes to mind when I think of BMitch, I was a young whippersnapper, sitting in the 700 level of the Vet it was a monday night game. and in the 4th quarter of the game Bmitch came in and played qb, this game is often refered as the Body Bag Game. :mellow:

 
1st thing that comes to mind when I think of BMitch, I was a young whippersnapper, sitting in the 700 level of the Vet it was a monday night game. and in the 4th quarter of the game Bmitch came in and played qb, this game is often refered as the Body Bag Game. :thumbup:
:)That game was a major reason why that team came together to win the Super Bowl the following year, IMHO. They also got their revenge at the Vet in the playoffs that year. :thumbup:
 
The first thing I think of when I think of Brian Mitchell is him breaking the leg of the dirtiest player in the league, Andre Waters.

link

 
J.Cambell being interviewed between period at the Caps game - with red Caps T and a red Nats hat.

have I told you all how much I love this guy?

 
Good that BMitch is gone and I hope he doesn't catch on anywhere else. Too bad they are putting him in the ring of fame because he doesn't deserve it. I used to like him when he originally played with us, but after he held secret conferences with reporters in the back halls of Redskins park and ultimately went to not one rival, but two... SEE YA!!!

I tried to listen to him, but he wasn't telling it like it is and just not being a programmed clone, but was spiteful. If you had never known that he played for the 'Skins, you would never have been able to tell by his comments either. He actually sounded like he came or played from a rival. BMitch is a punk!!!

BTW - BMitch wasn't "let go," his contract just wasn't re-newed. Thus, he worked the length of his contract and they had seen and heard enough to decide that they didn't want him back.
Biz, I agree that a great deal of what BMitch said about the team was based on spite and his personal hurt feelings by being cut to make cap room for Dieon Sanders, and I don't want to be seen as a defender of his because I found him off-putting at times too. I'll wager that he's still on CSN's pre-and post-game shows next fall, and could be even more pointed because he's lost his radio perch.And the semantic difference between being "let go" and being "not renewed" isn't worth arguing about.
good historical context DCT, with the reference to Dieon. and the genesis of the little rich boy over paying 'others' and not taking care of 'your own.' the most certain formula for a disfunctional team.biz - you know that Art Monk went to play for the bEagles, in an ugly separation from the Skins. he actually took less to play for another team (jets). same feelings you have towards #30 apply to ol' #81?
Not the same at all. Granted I don't like it when any of our players go and play for a rival, unless his name is Brandon Lloyd, but it capped off what was a bitter seperation with BMitch. I remember that several negative reports were coming out of Redskins Park at the time not naming the source, then the report came out that BMitch was holding his own little press conf in the back halls at the park. This is before he was let go and his comments to this day don't show that he ever was a 'Skin at heart. He gives no props to his time with us, but easily points to Philly as an organization he looks up to.So, clearly different situation than ol 81 and I have nothing but love for Art.
well, I think that the Philly organizational model is far superior to what is in place with the little rich boy and :lmao: and if you disagree, you're just a blind :moneybag: were you following the team when they dumped #81? It was not pretty. To say it's "not the same at all" is to simply say that the circumstances were not identical, imo

 
The Sporting News has a free daily sports paper that you can get by e-mail subscription. Recently they've been listing player rankings by position (new position each day; top 10-20, depending on position; rankings provided by RealScouts).

So far they've covered OT, OG, C, TE and WR. 'Skins have garnered the following rankings; Chris Samuels came in at #10 for OT, Dockery was ranked #19 for OG and Cooley was the #8 TE.

I'm assuming RB will be tomorrow. I'm curious to see where they will rank Portis.

 
The Sporting News has a free daily sports paper that you can get by e-mail subscription. Recently they've been listing player rankings by position (new position each day; top 10-20, depending on position; rankings provided by RealScouts).

So far they've covered OT, OG, C, TE and WR. 'Skins have garnered the following rankings; Chris Samuels came in at #10 for OT, Dockery was ranked #19 for OG and Cooley was the #8 TE.

I'm assuming RB will be tomorrow. I'm curious to see where they will rank Portis.
Who were the 7 TE's ranked ahead of Cooley? That seems like a pretty low ranking to me.
 
Who were the 7 TE's ranked ahead of Cooley? That seems like a pretty low ranking to me.
Witten, Gonzalez, Clark, Winslow, Gates, Miller and Daniels, in that order.My personal preference would be to slide Cooley ahead of Miller and Daniels, but I really haven't seen either of them enough to say that Cooley is absolutely a better TE. I imagine if there were numerical ratings along with this that Cooley, Miller and Daniels would all be very close (almost like a 6a, b and c).
 
Who were the 7 TE's ranked ahead of Cooley? That seems like a pretty low ranking to me.
Witten, Gonzalez, Clark, Winslow, Gates, Miller and Daniels, in that order.My personal preference would be to slide Cooley ahead of Miller and Daniels, but I really haven't seen either of them enough to say that Cooley is absolutely a better TE. I imagine if there were numerical ratings along with this that Cooley, Miller and Daniels would all be very close (almost like a 6a, b and c).
Agreed, and he should be ahead of Clark too.
 
John Clayton lists the Redskins as a "surprise team" this season.

Thanks in part to two games -- non-common dates against the Lions and St. Louis Rams -- the Redskins' non-division schedule is .406, second-easiest in the league. You also have to figure the offense should improve. It scored only 16.6 ppg last season. Jason Campbell is better than that. Everyone is going to be talking up the New York Giants and Philadelphia Eagles, but don't forget the Redskins.
 
John Clayton lists the Redskins as a "surprise team" this season.

Thanks in part to two games -- non-common dates against the Lions and St. Louis Rams -- the Redskins' non-division schedule is .406, second-easiest in the league. You also have to figure the offense should improve. It scored only 16.6 ppg last season. Jason Campbell is better than that. Everyone is going to be talking up the New York Giants and Philadelphia Eagles, but don't forget the Redskins.
Despite all my critical comments on the Redskins, they really just need a few things to happen to be a good team:1. Haynesworth fits in well

2. Someone steps up a RT

3. Someone steps up at WR (could be Thomas, Kelly, or someone they sign)

4. Rest of the OL holds up (meaning Samuals, Rabach, and Thomas don't decline like Jansen did last year)

That's not really asking for a whole lot. Based on last year, it looks like Zorn can coach ok. And Campbell should get better in his 2nd year in the WCO. And the Redskin's D could be a monster, even if they start Blades at SLB.

 
:mellow: I just love Cooley. From his recent NFL.com chat:
paul umbaugh, port richey, FL06:39 PM ETSup Chris, What Do you think of the newcomer brian orakpo?Chris Cooley, Washington RedskinsHe has a deep voice and lots of muscles.
 
Despite all my critical comments on the Redskins, they really just need a few things to happen to be a good team:1. Haynesworth fits in well2. Someone steps up a RT3. Someone steps up at WR (could be Thomas, Kelly, or someone they sign)4. Rest of the OL holds up (meaning Samuals, Rabach, and Thomas don't decline like Jansen did last year)That's not really asking for a whole lot. Based on last year, it looks like Zorn can coach ok. And Campbell should get better in his 2nd year in the WCO. And the Redskin's D could be a monster, even if they start Blades at SLB.
I don't disagree. If those things go right, they'll be improved. But look at #2 and #4. Those two are in the "if all else fails, pray" category. And if they go wrong, they'll stifle the offense for the entire year, which will in turn burden the defense by wearing them out and forcing them to play less aggressively.
 
Despite all my critical comments on the Redskins, they really just need a few things to happen to be a good team:1. Haynesworth fits in well2. Someone steps up a RT3. Someone steps up at WR (could be Thomas, Kelly, or someone they sign)4. Rest of the OL holds up (meaning Samuals, Rabach, and Thomas don't decline like Jansen did last year)That's not really asking for a whole lot. Based on last year, it looks like Zorn can coach ok. And Campbell should get better in his 2nd year in the WCO. And the Redskin's D could be a monster, even if they start Blades at SLB.
I don't disagree. If those things go right, they'll be improved. But look at #2 and #4. Those two are in the "if all else fails, pray" category. And if they go wrong, they'll stifle the offense for the entire year, which will in turn burden the defense by wearing them out and forcing them to play less aggressively.
And it also assumes something won't go wrong that we just assume will be ok. Like Portis. Or Fletcher. Or Landry.But overall I agree. This team has been built for years to be a solid team if things go right. But, things rarely go right, so they continually end up being mediocre.
 
Dodds and Wood have their complete team stat projections posted. Thoughts?

I know redman made a comment on the 'Skins numbers in the comment thread, but I don't think it was ever addressed. Dodds is projecting less yardage but a few more TDs, while Wood projects a small step forward in the passing game with fewer yards in the running game.

Oh and I :thumbup: at Wood projecting stats for Eddie Williams instead of Mike Sellers.

 
Dodds and Wood have their complete team stat projections posted. Thoughts?

I know redman made a comment on the 'Skins numbers in the comment thread, but I don't think it was ever addressed. Dodds is projecting less yardage but a few more TDs, while Wood projects a small step forward in the passing game with fewer yards in the running game.

Oh and I :lmao: at Wood projecting stats for Eddie Williams instead of Mike Sellers.
Where's the comment thread?
 

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