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****OFFICIAL 2009 Off Season Washington Redskins Thread**** (1 Viewer)

Dodds and Wood have their complete team stat projections posted. Thoughts?

I know redman made a comment on the 'Skins numbers in the comment thread, but I don't think it was ever addressed. Dodds is projecting less yardage but a few more TDs, while Wood projects a small step forward in the passing game with fewer yards in the running game.

Oh and I :lmao: at Wood projecting stats for Eddie Williams instead of Mike Sellers.
Yeah, they've predicted pretty much a worst case scenario (given that they aren't assuming injuries for the players they're projecting). Those are low numbers for the 'Skins passing game.
 
Dodds and Wood have their complete team stat projections posted. Thoughts?

I know redman made a comment on the 'Skins numbers in the comment thread, but I don't think it was ever addressed. Dodds is projecting less yardage but a few more TDs, while Wood projects a small step forward in the passing game with fewer yards in the running game.

Oh and I :lmao: at Wood projecting stats for Eddie Williams instead of Mike Sellers.
Yeah, they've predicted pretty much a worst case scenario (given that they aren't assuming injuries for the players they're projecting). Those are low numbers for the 'Skins passing game.
Not sure what numbers they projected because I don't have a subscription and the site is blocked at work. But maybe they aren't taking the OL problems in the second half of last season into account? In the first 8 games, they averaged 209 passing yards per game. In the final 8, they averaged 169. Right now, we can assume that the OL will be better because Dockery is an upgrade over Kendall. Kendall, in fact, is one OL who pretty much didn't practice the second half of the season, leading to some OL issues. I'd have no problem with starting my projections around 209 yards per game for a full season and work from there. I'd probably work my up based on my assumption that they'll pass more this year (in part simply being more aggressive and also to keep Portis fresh).
 
:thumbup: I just love Cooley. From his recent NFL.com chat:

paul umbaugh, port richey, FL06:39 PM ETSup Chris, What Do you think of the newcomer brian orakpo?Chris Cooley, Washington RedskinsHe has a deep voice and lots of muscles.
Tank, NJ 06:17 PM ETI think Jared Cook will be better than you. What do you think?Chris Cooley, Washington RedskinsI do not know who Jared Cook is. Obviously, you're not a 'Skins fan. I think Paris Hilton would probably be a better sports analyst than you.
:lmao: :lmao:
 
Dodds and Wood have their complete team stat projections posted. Thoughts?

I know redman made a comment on the 'Skins numbers in the comment thread, but I don't think it was ever addressed. Dodds is projecting less yardage but a few more TDs, while Wood projects a small step forward in the passing game with fewer yards in the running game.

Oh and I :unsure: at Wood projecting stats for Eddie Williams instead of Mike Sellers.
And nothing for Big Sleepy. Maybe he is a Yoder fan.
 
Dodds and Wood have their complete team stat projections posted. Thoughts?

I know redman made a comment on the 'Skins numbers in the comment thread, but I don't think it was ever addressed. Dodds is projecting less yardage but a few more TDs, while Wood projects a small step forward in the passing game with fewer yards in the running game.

Oh and I :unsure: at Wood projecting stats for Eddie Williams instead of Mike Sellers.
Yeah, they've predicted pretty much a worst case scenario (given that they aren't assuming injuries for the players they're projecting). Those are low numbers for the 'Skins passing game.
Not sure what numbers they projected because I don't have a subscription and the site is blocked at work. But maybe they aren't taking the OL problems in the second half of last season into account? In the first 8 games, they averaged 209 passing yards per game. In the final 8, they averaged 169. Right now, we can assume that the OL will be better because Dockery is an upgrade over Kendall. Kendall, in fact, is one OL who pretty much didn't practice the second half of the season, leading to some OL issues. I'd have no problem with starting my projections around 209 yards per game for a full season and work from there. I'd probably work my up based on my assumption that they'll pass more this year (in part simply being more aggressive and also to keep Portis fresh).
I agree with you. I'd look at the first eight games, stretch that out, then add a little. Probably take a conservative (for a homer) guess at 240 per game. I don't think Campbell will throw less than 20 TDs either. His INTs may very well go up too. Campbell will take more chances. He knows what is at stake. Every snap has a chance to be his last as a starter in this league.
 
Sebowski said:
Dodds and Wood have their complete team stat projections posted. Thoughts?

I know redman made a comment on the 'Skins numbers in the comment thread, but I don't think it was ever addressed. Dodds is projecting less yardage but a few more TDs, while Wood projects a small step forward in the passing game with fewer yards in the running game.

Oh and I :no: at Wood projecting stats for Eddie Williams instead of Mike Sellers.
Yeah, they've predicted pretty much a worst case scenario (given that they aren't assuming injuries for the players they're projecting). Those are low numbers for the 'Skins passing game.
Not sure what numbers they projected because I don't have a subscription and the site is blocked at work. But maybe they aren't taking the OL problems in the second half of last season into account? In the first 8 games, they averaged 209 passing yards per game. In the final 8, they averaged 169. Right now, we can assume that the OL will be better because Dockery is an upgrade over Kendall. Kendall, in fact, is one OL who pretty much didn't practice the second half of the season, leading to some OL issues. I'd have no problem with starting my projections around 209 yards per game for a full season and work from there. I'd probably work my up based on my assumption that they'll pass more this year (in part simply being more aggressive and also to keep Portis fresh).
I agree with you. I'd look at the first eight games, stretch that out, then add a little. Probably take a conservative (for a homer) guess at 240 per game. I don't think Campbell will throw less than 20 TDs either. His INTs may very well go up too. Campbell will take more chances. He knows what is at stake. Every snap has a chance to be his last as a starter in this league.
Well, I wouldn't go as high at 240. That would likely put them in the top 10. I only see that happening if Thomas or Kelly have a huge breakout season...which I don't see happening.
 
Rinehart and Clark got a lot of reps during mini-camp/OTAs, and some praise from Buges:

"Those two guys are really coming on," he said. "Chad has changed his body. He's stronger. He anchors better, and he has a better idea of what it takes to succeed in this league. Devin has done a nice job at left tackle against some pretty good pass-rushers.

"We didn't draft a lineman, but I really like the young guys we already had."
 
The Sporting News has a free daily sports paper that you can get by e-mail subscription. Recently they've been listing player rankings by position (new position each day; top 10-20, depending on position; rankings provided by RealScouts).
QBs done today. Campbell comes in at #18, just behind Flacco and Schaub and just ahead of Pennington and Cassel.
Redskins officials tried to trade for Cutler and trade up to draft Mark Sanchez, so they obviously don’t believe in Campbell. He can be successful, however, in a system that takes advantage of his strong arm and athleticism.
 
Campbell comes in at #18, just behind Flacco and Schaub and just ahead of Pennington and Cassel.
I'd probably drop Delhomme and Flacco below Campbell, but I'd probably put Cassel ahead of Campbell.Love seeing the Romo ranking. It's good they don't just drool over him just because he's dreamy, runs around a bunch, and has a star on his helmet.
 
Campbell comes in at #18, just behind Flacco and Schaub and just ahead of Pennington and Cassel.
I'd probably drop Delhomme and Flacco below Campbell, but I'd probably put Cassel ahead of Campbell.Love seeing the Romo ranking. It's good they don't just drool over him just because he's dreamy, runs around a bunch, and has a star on his helmet.
I'd probably knock Eli down about 5 spots, and a #6 ranking for Phillip Rivers seems too high, but that's probably just because I don't ever get a chance to watch him.If you take those two guys out of the top 10 (or at least move them behind Romo) I think Romo gets ranked just about right. And that's far more of a testament to the talent and skill of the 7 guys ahead of him than it is a knock on Romo, IMO.Matt Ryan and Aaron Rodgers should be moving their way into the top 5 on lists like this in the coming years.
 
Dodds and Wood have their complete team stat projections posted. Thoughts?

I know redman made a comment on the 'Skins numbers in the comment thread, but I don't think it was ever addressed. Dodds is projecting less yardage but a few more TDs, while Wood projects a small step forward in the passing game with fewer yards in the running game.

Oh and I :goodposting: at Wood projecting stats for Eddie Williams instead of Mike Sellers.
Yeah, they've predicted pretty much a worst case scenario (given that they aren't assuming injuries for the players they're projecting). Those are low numbers for the 'Skins passing game.
Not sure what numbers they projected because I don't have a subscription and the site is blocked at work. But maybe they aren't taking the OL problems in the second half of last season into account? In the first 8 games, they averaged 209 passing yards per game. In the final 8, they averaged 169. Right now, we can assume that the OL will be better because Dockery is an upgrade over Kendall. Kendall, in fact, is one OL who pretty much didn't practice the second half of the season, leading to some OL issues. I'd have no problem with starting my projections around 209 yards per game for a full season and work from there. I'd probably work my up based on my assumption that they'll pass more this year (in part simply being more aggressive and also to keep Portis fresh).
I agree with you. I'd look at the first eight games, stretch that out, then add a little. Probably take a conservative (for a homer) guess at 240 per game. I don't think Campbell will throw less than 20 TDs either. His INTs may very well go up too. Campbell will take more chances. He knows what is at stake. Every snap has a chance to be his last as a starter in this league.
Well, I wouldn't go as high at 240. That would likely put them in the top 10. I only see that happening if Thomas or Kelly have a huge breakout season...which I don't see happening.
I didn't look at where that would put him. I just figured it would be 1-3 more completions per game which doesn't seem like that much of a stretch.
 
On ES we are organizing taking over Qualcomm for the last game of the year in San Diego. We are going to buy a huge block of seats. We will also be getting a double decker drunk bus to go from Winston's(Awesome Skins bar in SD)

Is anyone here interested?

 
On ES we are organizing taking over Qualcomm for the last game of the year in San Diego. We are going to buy a huge block of seats. We will also be getting a double decker drunk bus to go from Winston's(Awesome Skins bar in SD) Is anyone here interested?
L.A. resident here. I'm interested.
 
Matt Terl interviews Chris Meidt. Some quotes on the QBs and the young receivers:

When I watch practice, I tend to see you working most closely with the quarterbacks. Can you run through those guys -- Jason Campbell, Todd Collins, Colt Brennan, and even Chase Daniel, who you helped to scout -- one by one and tell me how they've looked based on what you've seen this offseason?

Meidt: "I think Jason's doing just an absolutely awesome job. Even through all the other talk, he just came back to work. He worked as hard if not harder through the chaos. He came in and took charge of this football team during minicamp and OTAs. He was in charge at the line of scrimmage, he used multiple cadences, he audibled -- I mean, he did things that he just wasn't ready for at this point last year.

"He was on receivers if they ran the wrong route, he was on the O-line when they jumped a couple of times ... he had complete charge of this football team. So we were thrilled about that.

"And he threw the ball well. Mechanically, he's getting better every week. He keeps working on that.

"I'm thrilled with Todd's work and where he is -- much better quarterback than a year ago at this time. I think he's healthier; physically, he's had a great workout this offseason. Technique-wise, very, very sound. He understands how to get the ball out at the top of his drop, and he understands our offense better now than he did a year ago.

"Colt is still a raw" -- it really does sound exactly like rah -- "young quarterback. What Colt has is great gamesmanship. He has the ability to make a dramatic throw, and what we're working on Colt on is what I just referred to with those other two: just being fundamentally very sound on his drops, ball location, decision-making. What Colt can do is just play the game. He can throw from any position, so that's what makes him special.

"And we're excited about Chase. We're very fortunate to get him in as our fourth quarterback to come in and compete in camp. Chase is a great student of the game, incredibly bright, and will work his tail off. So I think we really have four great quarterbacks as we prepare for the year."

Once we get to the point where people can come to training camp or watch preseason games, what should they look for in the quarterback to measure any improvement since last year?

Meidt: "I think he's gonna get the ball out quicker. I think he'll have better decision-making, but I also think we'll have better, more precise routes. I think our protection'll be better. I just think as a football team we'll be better.

"I think it's hard for someone who's not just right in the middle of it to judge, because all they can judge on is the result. And football's just such a process-driven game, such a team game. It's easy to look at the quarterback and think, ball's complete, he did great, ball's incomplete, he stunk. But that's just not how it is."

Last question, and I'll let you go: you also work with the young receivers. What have you seen from them?

Meidt: "Fred [Davis] is out there with us all the time -- he's become a real workhorse, running route after route after route, even after he's done his own workout and a full lift. Devin [Thomas] is out there with us all the time. Malcolm [Kelly] is out there catching, because he can't run the routes full-speed yet, but he's out there a lot. So those three have been diligent in being there. I'm thrilled with their seriousness at becoming NFL caliber players. We're expecting those guys to be major contributors for us."
 
Dodds and Wood have their complete team stat projections posted. Thoughts?
Already mentioned has been the low passing production from Dodds. Also as mentioned, Yoder and Williams instead of Davis and Sellers from Wood is humorous. And I wouldn't be surprised if Thrash doesn't make the team. It's time to move on. I think Cooley's ypc is too low. I know his best ypc production came in a different offense, but I think he's better than the 10.1 their both projecting. If healthy, I agree with Wood's Kelly projection over Dodds'. I could probably even see ARE lower for both and Thomas higher (or is that just my hope?). Interesting differences for Moss. Dodds has more receptions for fewer yards. Wood sees Moss back up in the 15 ypc range.
 
Dodds and Wood have their complete team stat projections posted. Thoughts?

I know redman made a comment on the 'Skins numbers in the comment thread, but I don't think it was ever addressed. Dodds is projecting less yardage but a few more TDs, while Wood projects a small step forward in the passing game with fewer yards in the running game.

Oh and I :) at Wood projecting stats for Eddie Williams instead of Mike Sellers.
Yeah, they've predicted pretty much a worst case scenario (given that they aren't assuming injuries for the players they're projecting). Those are low numbers for the 'Skins passing game.
Not sure what numbers they projected because I don't have a subscription and the site is blocked at work. But maybe they aren't taking the OL problems in the second half of last season into account? In the first 8 games, they averaged 209 passing yards per game. In the final 8, they averaged 169. Right now, we can assume that the OL will be better because Dockery is an upgrade over Kendall. Kendall, in fact, is one OL who pretty much didn't practice the second half of the season, leading to some OL issues. I'd have no problem with starting my projections around 209 yards per game for a full season and work from there. I'd probably work my up based on my assumption that they'll pass more this year (in part simply being more aggressive and also to keep Portis fresh).
I can tell you that the OL issues were less Kendall not practicing than the right side of the line - Thomas trying to play with a busted neck and the revolving door at RT were the OL problems. then when Samuels went down, we were toast. of course, there has been no upgrade to the OT position. again. I keep saying this, but Kendall should be signed for the vet min. I wouldn't be surprised if what happened to Jansen the last two years hits Thomas this year. Then we're really in trouble. The upgrade from Kendall to DD won't be as noticable as you may suspect. of course, from strictly an age perspective, it's a good move.

 
Dodds and Wood have their complete team stat projections posted. Thoughts?

I know redman made a comment on the 'Skins numbers in the comment thread, but I don't think it was ever addressed. Dodds is projecting less yardage but a few more TDs, while Wood projects a small step forward in the passing game with fewer yards in the running game.

Oh and I :lmao: at Wood projecting stats for Eddie Williams instead of Mike Sellers.
Yeah, they've predicted pretty much a worst case scenario (given that they aren't assuming injuries for the players they're projecting). Those are low numbers for the 'Skins passing game.
Not sure what numbers they projected because I don't have a subscription and the site is blocked at work. But maybe they aren't taking the OL problems in the second half of last season into account? In the first 8 games, they averaged 209 passing yards per game. In the final 8, they averaged 169. Right now, we can assume that the OL will be better because Dockery is an upgrade over Kendall. Kendall, in fact, is one OL who pretty much didn't practice the second half of the season, leading to some OL issues. I'd have no problem with starting my projections around 209 yards per game for a full season and work from there. I'd probably work my up based on my assumption that they'll pass more this year (in part simply being more aggressive and also to keep Portis fresh).
I can tell you that the OL issues were less Kendall not practicing than the right side of the line - Thomas trying to play with a busted neck and the revolving door at RT were the OL problems. then when Samuels went down, we were toast. of course, there has been no upgrade to the OT position. again. I keep saying this, but Kendall should be signed for the vet min. I wouldn't be surprised if what happened to Jansen the last two years hits Thomas this year. Then we're really in trouble. The upgrade from Kendall to DD won't be as noticable as you may suspect. of course, from strictly an age perspective, it's a good move.
FWIW, a few posts up was an interview with Buges gushing over Rinehart's improvement. I've always thought Buges tended to defend "his guys" and praise them too much, but if you take him at his word then worries about re-signing Kendall and Dockery breaking down are diminished. :)
 
I can tell you that the OL issues were less Kendall not practicing than the right side of the line - Thomas trying to play with a busted neck and the revolving door at RT were the OL problems. then when Samuels went down, we were toast. of course,
That's exactly the way I saw the line problems unfold last year also. The only thing I would add to that is that Rabach often got his ### pushed into Jason Campbell about the same time he snapped him the ball.
 
I can tell you that the OL issues were less Kendall not practicing than the right side of the line - Thomas trying to play with a busted neck and the revolving door at RT were the OL problems. then when Samuels went down, we were toast. of course,
That's exactly the way I saw the line problems unfold last year also. The only thing I would add to that is that Rabach often got his ### pushed into Jason Campbell about the same time he snapped him the ball.
I second that memory.
 
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The Sporting News has a free daily sports paper that you can get by e-mail subscription. Recently they've been listing player rankings by position (new position each day; top 10-20, depending on position; rankings provided by RealScouts).
RBs in today's issue. Portis is ranked #6.
Clinton Portis, Redskins. He runs with power and vision, showing the ability to locate cutback lanes and burst to daylight. When healthy, he has been one of the most productive backs the last five years.
The 5 above him, in order, are: Adrian Peterson, Steven Jackson, Brandon Jacobs, Brian Westbrook, Frank Gore. A little surprised they knocked LT down to #8 (Michael Turner is ranked 7th).Tomorrow should start the defensive rankings.

 
Sidewinder16 said:
The Sporting News has a free daily sports paper that you can get by e-mail subscription. Recently they've been listing player rankings by position (new position each day; top 10-20, depending on position; rankings provided by RealScouts).
RBs in today's issue. Portis is ranked #6.
Clinton Portis, Redskins. He runs with power and vision, showing the ability to locate cutback lanes and burst to daylight. When healthy, he has been one of the most productive backs the last five years.
The 5 above him, in order, are: Adrian Peterson, Steven Jackson, Brandon Jacobs, Brian Westbrook, Frank Gore. A little surprised they knocked LT down to #8 (Michael Turner is ranked 7th).Tomorrow should start the defensive rankings.
I'd drop Jacobs below Portis and I'd probably have Gore and Portis pretty much tied.
 
Sidewinder16 said:
The Sporting News has a free daily sports paper that you can get by e-mail subscription. Recently they've been listing player rankings by position (new position each day; top 10-20, depending on position; rankings provided by RealScouts).
RBs in today's issue. Portis is ranked #6.
Clinton Portis, Redskins. He runs with power and vision, showing the ability to locate cutback lanes and burst to daylight. When healthy, he has been one of the most productive backs the last five years.
The 5 above him, in order, are: Adrian Peterson, Steven Jackson, Brandon Jacobs, Brian Westbrook, Frank Gore. A little surprised they knocked LT down to #8 (Michael Turner is ranked 7th).Tomorrow should start the defensive rankings.
I'd drop Jacobs below Portis and I'd probably have Gore and Portis pretty much tied.
My thoughts exactly.
 
Hey Fatness. Did you see the Lary Michaels interview with Mike Williams? He says he's under 390 lbs and wants to get down to 340. He also mentioned how good Mike's feet are for a big man. This guy seems determined to make the team. I say he makes the team unless an injury occurs.

 
Hey Fatness. Did you see the Lary Michaels interview with Mike Williams? He says he's under 390 lbs and wants to get down to 340. He also mentioned how good Mike's feet are for a big man. This guy seems determined to make the team. I say he makes the team unless an injury occurs.
He's a nice story, but if the Redskins have to rely upon him to do anything but back up this year, they're in huge trouble. I can't imagine that a guy who hasn't played in four years, and who got 100+ lbs. overweight (and who has to have lost muscle mass on top of that) can go from that to being capable of starting as an OL within 6-9 months.
 
Hey Fatness. Did you see the Lary Michaels interview with Mike Williams? He says he's under 390 lbs and wants to get down to 340. He also mentioned how good Mike's feet are for a big man. This guy seems determined to make the team. I say he makes the team unless an injury occurs.
He's a nice story, but if the Redskins have to rely upon him to do anything but back up this year, they're in huge trouble. I can't imagine that a guy who hasn't played in four years, and who got 100+ lbs. overweight (and who has to have lost muscle mass on top of that) can go from that to being capable of starting as an OL within 6-9 months.
His playing weight is 370 Lbs. So he gained about 80 pounds and is 20 pounds away. Gaining back his muscle mass shouldn't be a problem with the help of an NFL training staff. I'm not sure if he''ll lose a lot of technique and what he has lost a training camp should fix. Value wise I look at this guy as a second round draft pick coming out of college. He has upside with injury concerns. His work ethic from what Ive seen is very good. He needs to maintain it. Also we need to remember this guy didnt stop playing because he was beat out or couldnt play. He stopped playing because he got injured and then got fat and probably depressed and lost interest. Seems like he has that interest back. I say he starts atleast one game for us this year.
 
Hey Fatness. Did you see the Lary Michaels interview with Mike Williams? He says he's under 390 lbs and wants to get down to 340. He also mentioned how good Mike's feet are for a big man. This guy seems determined to make the team. I say he makes the team unless an injury occurs.
He's a nice story, but if the Redskins have to rely upon him to do anything but back up this year, they're in huge trouble. I can't imagine that a guy who hasn't played in four years, and who got 100+ lbs. overweight (and who has to have lost muscle mass on top of that) can go from that to being capable of starting as an OL within 6-9 months.
His playing weight is 370 Lbs. So he gained about 80 pounds and is 20 pounds away. Gaining back his muscle mass shouldn't be a problem with the help of an NFL training staff. I'm not sure if he''ll lose a lot of technique and what he has lost a training camp should fix. Value wise I look at this guy as a second round draft pick coming out of college. He has upside with injury concerns. His work ethic from what Ive seen is very good. He needs to maintain it. Also we need to remember this guy didnt stop playing because he was beat out or couldnt play. He stopped playing because he got injured and then got fat and probably depressed and lost interest. Seems like he has that interest back. I say he starts atleast one game for us this year.
Please don't take from my post that I think he's not a worthwhile project, but I'm just skeptical about him regaining his form this quickly.
 
Hey Fatness. Did you see the Lary Michaels interview with Mike Williams? He says he's under 390 lbs and wants to get down to 340. He also mentioned how good Mike's feet are for a big man. This guy seems determined to make the team. I say he makes the team unless an injury occurs.
He's a nice story, but if the Redskins have to rely upon him to do anything but back up this year, they're in huge trouble. I can't imagine that a guy who hasn't played in four years, and who got 100+ lbs. overweight (and who has to have lost muscle mass on top of that) can go from that to being capable of starting as an OL within 6-9 months.
Could end up being the next Kurt Warner type of story with the twist that he was a high pick initially.
 
Hey Fatness. Did you see the Lary Michaels interview with Mike Williams? He says he's under 390 lbs and wants to get down to 340. He also mentioned how good Mike's feet are for a big man. This guy seems determined to make the team. I say he makes the team unless an injury occurs.
He's a nice story, but if the Redskins have to rely upon him to do anything but back up this year, they're in huge trouble. I can't imagine that a guy who hasn't played in four years, and who got 100+ lbs. overweight (and who has to have lost muscle mass on top of that) can go from that to being capable of starting as an OL within 6-9 months.
His playing weight is 370 Lbs. So he gained about 80 pounds and is 20 pounds away. Gaining back his muscle mass shouldn't be a problem with the help of an NFL training staff. I'm not sure if he''ll lose a lot of technique and what he has lost a training camp should fix. Value wise I look at this guy as a second round draft pick coming out of college. He has upside with injury concerns. His work ethic from what Ive seen is very good. He needs to maintain it. Also we need to remember this guy didnt stop playing because he was beat out or couldnt play. He stopped playing because he got injured and then got fat and probably depressed and lost interest. Seems like he has that interest back. I say he starts atleast one game for us this year.
Please don't take from my post that I think he's not a worthwhile project, but I'm just skeptical about him regaining his form this quickly.
I'm skeptical too. I just hope he's ready for the second half of the season when the schedule gets tough and the injuries start to mount.
 
Hey Fatness. Did you see the Lary Michaels interview with Mike Williams? He says he's under 390 lbs and wants to get down to 340. He also mentioned how good Mike's feet are for a big man. This guy seems determined to make the team. I say he makes the team unless an injury occurs.
No, didn't see it, but thanks for the info.I'm highly skeptical of Williams being any help this year. He was away from the game so long, was so overweight, it's hard to imagine even if he trains constantly that he'd be able to play effectively this year. I'd love to see him do it, but will be surprised if he does.
 
Today's Sporting News Today ranks the fullbacks (I think I'm going to stop trying to guess which ranking is coming the next day :mellow: ).

Mike Sellers is not ranked in the top 10 FBs.

1. Greg Jones, JAX

2. Le'Ron McClain, BAL

3. Ovie Mughelli, ATL

4. Justin Griffith, SEA

5. Lousaka Polite, MIA

6. Madison Hedgecock, NYG

7. Heath Evans, NOS

8. Mike Karney, STL

9. Leonard Weaver, PHI

10. Peyton Hillis, DEN

I certainly can't claim to know a whole lot about these FBs listed, but I would have thought Sellers could crack a top 10 list.

 
Today's Sporting News Today ranks the fullbacks (I think I'm going to stop trying to guess which ranking is coming the next day :shrug: ).

Mike Sellers is not ranked in the top 10 FBs.

1. Greg Jones, JAX

2. Le'Ron McClain, BAL

3. Ovie Mughelli, ATL

4. Justin Griffith, SEA

5. Lousaka Polite, MIA

6. Madison Hedgecock, NYG

7. Heath Evans, NOS

8. Mike Karney, STL

9. Leonard Weaver, PHI

10. Peyton Hillis, DEN

I certainly can't claim to know a whole lot about these FBs listed, but I would have thought Sellers could crack a top 10 list.
Sellers easily ranks in that group given his combination of size and athleticism, very physical blocking style, and receiving abilities. He can even run the ball a little.
 
Hey Fatness. Did you see the Lary Michaels interview with Mike Williams? He says he's under 390 lbs and wants to get down to 340. He also mentioned how good Mike's feet are for a big man. This guy seems determined to make the team. I say he makes the team unless an injury occurs.
He's a nice story, but if the Redskins have to rely upon him to do anything but back up this year, they're in huge trouble. I can't imagine that a guy who hasn't played in four years, and who got 100+ lbs. overweight (and who has to have lost muscle mass on top of that) can go from that to being capable of starting as an OL within 6-9 months.
Actually, from what I've read, this isn't an issue. Reportedly Williams never stopped lifting during his hiatus from the league. It was my understanding that during his tryout Williams displayed exceptional functional football strength and none of our Dlinemen, not even Haynesworth, could matchup with his power. He obviously still has a lot of work to do to get down to his playing weight and drastically increase his stamina, but I don't think it should be all that difficult.

 
Hey Fatness. Did you see the Lary Michaels interview with Mike Williams? He says he's under 390 lbs and wants to get down to 340. He also mentioned how good Mike's feet are for a big man. This guy seems determined to make the team. I say he makes the team unless an injury occurs.
He's a nice story, but if the Redskins have to rely upon him to do anything but back up this year, they're in huge trouble. I can't imagine that a guy who hasn't played in four years, and who got 100+ lbs. overweight (and who has to have lost muscle mass on top of that) can go from that to being capable of starting as an OL within 6-9 months.
Actually, from what I've read, this isn't an issue. Reportedly Williams never stopped lifting during his hiatus from the league. It was my understanding that during his tryout Williams displayed exceptional functional football strength and none of our Dlinemen, not even Haynesworth, could matchup with his power. He obviously still has a lot of work to do to get down to his playing weight and drastically increase his stamina, but I don't think it should be all that difficult.
Well, I'd be happy if you're right. The strength will come back anyway. I'm just worried about athleticism and mobility - if he's lost those he's done. In that regard I'm encouraged by the surprisingly positive reviews from his try-out workout where they said that that was still intact, so we'll just have to see. One thing's for sure - we need him to work out for us.

 
that we are even discussing Mike Williams speaks volumes to the neglect the FO has shown to the OL

if I was a conspiracy theorist :thumbup: I'd be talking about how the FO is setting Zorn/Campbell up for failure in order to hire one of Shanny/Holmgren/Cowher/Gruden/Dungy and get a sexy QB.

 
that we are even discussing Mike Williams speaks volumes to the neglect the FO has shown to the OL
I expected Williams to be this year's Chad Rinehart. Make some big news early in training camp, and then get hidden away and not spoken about the rest of the year like a ######ed uncle.
 
Preseason Schedule

Thursday, Aug. 13

Washington at Baltimore, 7:30 p.m.

Saturday, Aug. 22

Pittsburgh at Washington, 7:30 p.m.

Friday, Aug. 28

New England at Washington, 8 p.m.

Thursday, Sept. 3

Washington at Jacksonville, 7:30 p.m.

Good thing those are preseason games. That could be 4 poundings in a row during the regular season.

 
that we are even discussing Mike Williams speaks volumes to the neglect the FO has shown to the OL
I expected Williams to be this year's Chad Rinehart. Make some big news early in training camp, and then get hidden away and not spoken about the rest of the year like a ######ed uncle.
:lol: @ the analogy, but it's sounding like Rinehart has made some strides and he may be an important contributor if when our geriatric line starts breaking down.
 
Here's what I'm hearing from the folks I know:

Underneath all the fat, BMW (Big Mike Williams) is as strong as an ox. I think I mentioned before that he's good buddies with Dockery, and Dock pushed the Team to sign him, based largely on the fact that he was hitting the weights as often as he hit the buffet line. There's a Strength and Conditioning Coach who's personal assignment was getting BMW down to 370, and he's making great progress towards that end. He'll be there by June. If he continues on the pace he's on, he's got a great chance to contribute. He's definitely moving ahead with determination and purpose to make the Team, and they are optimistic.

Rinehardt's biggest issue was his confidence that he could make it at this level. They kind of broke him down and started from scratch this OffSeason, and he's making progress. Things are coming easier for him, and as he 'gets' the small stuff, he's gaining confidence, and making strides, and although it's a day by day thing, he continues to make progress and move forward.

Devin Clark has been a nice addition. He's certainly capable at this point to be a primary backup, and by Training Camp, may be competing for a Starting Role if he keeps moving in the direction he's headed. In other words, they think they can get more out of him by the time it starts to count.

Heyer is working hard too, as is Jansen. Heyer is practicing with the kind of intensity needed to compete for a Starting Role. Jansen is almost certainly going to be a key contributing reserve at the very least.

Fred Davis is continuing to excel in primarily a blocking role, and I mean EXCEL. Enough that they are running a bunch of 2TE Rushing Plays that are springing the RB's for nice gains...and it's not because the Defense stinks, either.

It's still early, but that's a lot of quality depth developing, and there is quiet optimism that they can run the ball with the best of them if things continue to develop as they seem to be.

Orakpo looks like a STUD. He's bringing it on the Pass Rush, and is ahead of the curve in terms of how he's picking up the Pro Game. They are very pleased with him so far.

Again, quiet optimism, but in terms of where we've found ourselves over the last several years in terms of running the football, and stopping the run, things seem to be looking up for our guys.

Let's all keep praying.

 
I expected Williams to be this year's Chad Rinehart. Make some big news early in training camp, and then get hidden away and not spoken about the rest of the year like a ######ed uncle.
Hmm, I didn't know the language filter would do that. Let's try it this way:

Make some big news early in training camp, and then get hidden away and not spoken about the rest of the year like a specially-abled uncle.

I do hope I'm wrong about this, by the way. And Nittanylion, thanks for the report. This is the time of year for optimistic reports on everyone, I realize that, but it's good stuff to hear.

 
Here's what I'm hearing from the folks I know:Underneath all the fat, BMW (Big Mike Williams) is as strong as an ox. I think I mentioned before that he's good buddies with Dockery, and Dock pushed the Team to sign him, based largely on the fact that he was hitting the weights as often as he hit the buffet line. There's a Strength and Conditioning Coach who's personal assignment was getting BMW down to 370, and he's making great progress towards that end. He'll be there by June. If he continues on the pace he's on, he's got a great chance to contribute. He's definitely moving ahead with determination and purpose to make the Team, and they are optimistic.Rinehardt's biggest issue was his confidence that he could make it at this level. They kind of broke him down and started from scratch this OffSeason, and he's making progress. Things are coming easier for him, and as he 'gets' the small stuff, he's gaining confidence, and making strides, and although it's a day by day thing, he continues to make progress and move forward.Devin Clark has been a nice addition. He's certainly capable at this point to be a primary backup, and by Training Camp, may be competing for a Starting Role if he keeps moving in the direction he's headed. In other words, they think they can get more out of him by the time it starts to count.Heyer is working hard too, as is Jansen. Heyer is practicing with the kind of intensity needed to compete for a Starting Role. Jansen is almost certainly going to be a key contributing reserve at the very least.Fred Davis is continuing to excel in primarily a blocking role, and I mean EXCEL. Enough that they are running a bunch of 2TE Rushing Plays that are springing the RB's for nice gains...and it's not because the Defense stinks, either.It's still early, but that's a lot of quality depth developing, and there is quiet optimism that they can run the ball with the best of them if things continue to develop as they seem to be.Orakpo looks like a STUD. He's bringing it on the Pass Rush, and is ahead of the curve in terms of how he's picking up the Pro Game. They are very pleased with him so far.Again, quiet optimism, but in terms of where we've found ourselves over the last several years in terms of running the football, and stopping the run, things seem to be looking up for our guys.Let's all keep praying.
Does anyone know why Reinhart's confidence is so low? Did the Redskins draft a OG with no confidence or did something happen after he was drafted?
 
Does anyone know why Reinhart's confidence is so low? Did the Redskins draft a OG with no confidence or did something happen after he was drafted?
I read that to mean that he was a guy from a small school who suddenly was no longer facing the athletes that he did while at Northern Iowa. It sounds like he couldn't believe he was good enough to be in the NFL, and Buges has made it his special mission to know otherwise. I have to confess that, even as a USC fan, Fred Davis as a blocking machine was not a scenario that I expected. Yes, his blocking was good in college, but it's not like he was known for that and in fact he was the team's best receiver there his senior year. His route running and hands are outstanding. If his blocking is as good as advertised then a 2-TE set should become our base offense because he and Cooley, given both their run blocking and receiving skills, will present huge problems and mismatches for a defense that will have great difficulty knowing the play call based upon formation.
 
Good video breakdown of Campbell on 3rd down.

I hope that Campbell's propensity last year to check down to the "safe" throw is rectified by more time in the offense, because I agree that his greatest problem was not taking enough shots. In a way, it's not a bad problem to have given that he was excellent at avoiding turnovers, but if this offense is ever going to start carrying the team at all, he needs to go to that next level.

 

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