****OFFICIAL 2009 Off Season Washington Redskins Thread**** (2 Viewers)

[Sebowski]

Former Buffalo Bills offensive tackle Mike Williams was signed by the Washington Redskins today, the team announced.According to the Dallas Morning News, the Texas native has been training with Redskins offensive lineman Derrick Dockery after being out of the game for the past few years.Williams is a former first-round draft pick from the University of Texas who played for the Bills for four seasons, making 47 starts.Williams, 29, was the fourth overall pick of the 2002 NFL Draft, but never lived up to high expectations.Williams was demoted from the starting lineup in Buffalo and was released in 2005 before completing his rookie contract.Williams signed with the Jacksonville Jaguars in 2006, but wound up on injured reserve.Meanwhile, the Redskins cut punter Dirk Johnson.

why do I see this guy starting for us at some point this year?

"Why should we draft Oher? We signed Williams. "

Didn't we sign Mathis before the draft last year and people thought that meant we wouldn't key in on WRs? It is a no risk move. The guy had enough potential to be drafted #4 overall. This guy is Jason Smith and Eugene Monroe from 2002. You know, the guy you can just "plug in for 10 years at LT" (I hate it when I hear that. Like no Tackles have ever been busts). O-Line has a lot to do with coaching and chemistry. He can have both in Washington. This guy is probably working harder than ever right now. Could be the first guy cut. Could be a solid player for a few years.

 

[T Bell]

Former Buffalo Bills offensive tackle Mike Williams was signed by the Washington Redskins today, the team announced.According to the Dallas Morning News, the Texas native has been training with Redskins offensive lineman Derrick Dockery after being out of the game for the past few years.Williams is a former first-round draft pick from the University of Texas who played for the Bills for four seasons, making 47 starts.Williams, 29, was the fourth overall pick of the 2002 NFL Draft, but never lived up to high expectations.Williams was demoted from the starting lineup in Buffalo and was released in 2005 before completing his rookie contract.Williams signed with the Jacksonville Jaguars in 2006, but wound up on injured reserve.Meanwhile, the Redskins cut punter Dirk Johnson.

why do I see this guy starting for us at some point this year?

"Why should we draft Oher? We signed Williams. "

Didn't we sign Mathis before the draft last year and people thought that meant we wouldn't key in on WRs? It is a no risk move. The guy had enough potential to be drafted #4 overall. This guy is Jason Smith and Eugene Monroe from 2002. You know, the guy you can just "plug in for 10 years at LT" (I hate it when I hear that. Like no Tackles have ever been busts). O-Line has a lot to do with coaching and chemistry. He can have both in Washington. This guy is probably working harder than ever right now. Could be the first guy cut. Could be a solid player for a few years.

Not to worry, I agree with everything you said. I'm not lampooning the move, I'm lampooning Snyderatto's reaction to it during the draft.

 

[ChrisCooleyFan]

NittanyLion you should of Twittered today, so we could follow you.

 

[nittanylion]

Sorry, fellas. I'm a grumpy old man when it comes to technology.

Almost 41, and I dislike Text Messaging, the Twitter-thingy and Social Networking Sites almost as much as I dislike Daniel and Vinny.

I think we need to hold a seance to rouse the spirit of Jack Kent Cooke. We can then have him possess the body of Captain Chaos, who can then dispatch Ca$hMan and the Boy Blunder in short order.

In a few hours, I guess I'll be rockin' the Dio: "We'll know for the first time - if we're Evil or Divine".

Gimme Evil for $1000, Alex...Ugh.

Oh, and Kelley Washington is not the answer.

 

[fatness]

Our geniuses at work: Redskins' Flirtations May Cost Them

Having alienated starter Jason Campbell with their ongoing efforts to replace him this offseason, the Washington Redskins could pay an even steeper price for the chance to select Southern California quarterback Mark Sanchez in today's NFL draft, league sources said yesterday.

Campbell's agent, Joel Segal, will request a trade if the Redskins pick Sanchez, NFL sources said, destabilizing the team's quarterback situation on the eve of the draft. Teams in the top five positions on the board -- the slots the Redskins might have to trade into for a shot at Sanchez -- could take advantage of the uncertainty by requesting even more in exchange, sources said. As far as Campbell's trade value, teams often receive less in exchange for players who publicly have expressed a desire to play elsewhere.

 

[fatness]

From that same article:

Redskins owner Daniel M. Snyder said yesterday in an interview with ESPN 980 radio that his team will not trade its first-round pick in next year's draft.

Frankly, if Snyder's not going to trade next year's #1 pick (which I agree he should not do), I don't think they'll have enough ammunition to move up to get Sanchez. That will be fine with me. Once the draft starts we'll see if Snyder sticks to that, or whether he caves in.

 

[massraider]

From that same article:

Redskins owner Daniel M. Snyder said yesterday in an interview with ESPN 980 radio that his team will not trade its first-round pick in next year's draft.

Frankly, if Snyder's not going to trade next year's #1 pick (which I agree he should not do), I don't think they'll have enough ammunition to move up to get Sanchez. That will be fine with me. Once the draft starts we'll see if Snyder sticks to that, or whether he caves in.

Is there a Skins fans consensus on which DE they'd prefer? Maybin, Brown, Orakpo?

 

[fatness]

David Elfin

The Redskins can't move up from the 13th pick to take Sanchez if they don't bowl over a team closer to the top of the draft with a trade offer. Considering that in 2005, Washington relinquished its first and fourth choices in 2006 and a third in 2005 to select Campbell with the 25th pick, the price for Sanchez - a likely top-10 pick - has to be substantially higher. Appearing Friday afternoon on ESPN 980, owner Dan Snyder said the Redskins won't trade their first-round pick in 2010.

After No. 13, the Redskins have only one pick - a third-rounder - before the fifth round. Eliminating next year's No. 1 from the equation means the best offer would be this year's first and third choices and next year's second and third. Whether that would be enough to move up for Sanchez is unclear. Including a Pro Bowl pass-catcher such as tight end Chris Cooley or receiver Santana Moss would hurt the aspect of the team that Sanchez would help.

If the Redskins fail to obtain Sanchez, they will use the 13th pick to fill one of their big holes: left defensive end, strongside linebacker and right tackle. However, if Texas pass-rusher Brian Orakpo and tackles Andre Smith of Alabama and Michael Oher of Mississippi are gone by then, the Redskins would likely try to trade down and acquire more picks

Redskins executive vice president Vinny Cerrato said he expects a number of trades after the 10th pick by "teams coming up from the 20s and the teens to get what they're looking for."

 

[T Bell]

Our geniuses at work: Redskins' Flirtations May Cost Them

Having alienated starter Jason Campbell with their ongoing efforts to replace him this offseason, the Washington Redskins could pay an even steeper price for the chance to select Southern California quarterback Mark Sanchez in today's NFL draft, league sources said yesterday.

Campbell's agent, Joel Segal, will request a trade if the Redskins pick Sanchez, NFL sources said, destabilizing the team's quarterback situation on the eve of the draft. Teams in the top five positions on the board -- the slots the Redskins might have to trade into for a shot at Sanchez -- could take advantage of the uncertainty by requesting even more in exchange, sources said. As far as Campbell's trade value, teams often receive less in exchange for players who publicly have expressed a desire to play elsewhere.

I'm praying that I'm right that this Sanchez is a smokescreen. It's all I really have left at this point.

 

[fatness]

Is there a Skins fans consensus on which DE they'd prefer? Maybin, Brown, Orakpo?

General the front office favors speed-rushing kinds of DE's, where I'd rather seem them draft run-stopping DE's. Aren't all 3 of those guys basically speed rushers?

 

[fatness]

I'm praying that I'm right that this Sanchez is a smokescreen. It's all I really have left at this point.

On your deathbed you will receive total consciousness, so you've got that going for you as well.

 

[fatness]

Other highlights:

-- Executive vice president Vinny Cerrato said there will be 146 players on the board tomorrow compared to 150-155 last year.

-- Snyder said the board, which has still yet to be posted in the war room, is based on collective grades from the scouts and coaches not on "need, desire or the media."

I'd love to see their board. 22 QB's

87 WR's

21 TE's

a sprinkling of other positions.

Washington Times

Also, Zorn says they will add a QB this weekend, either by draft or as an undrafted free agent.

 

[fatness]

Vinnie's Board

 

[T Bell]

I'm praying that I'm right that this Sanchez is a smokescreen. It's all I really have left at this point.

On your deathbed you will receive total consciousness, so you've got that going for you as well.

Cannonball! Cannonball coming!

 

[scoobygang]

From that same article:

Redskins owner Daniel M. Snyder said yesterday in an interview with ESPN 980 radio that his team will not trade its first-round pick in next year's draft.

Frankly, if Snyder's not going to trade next year's #1 pick (which I agree he should not do), I don't think they'll have enough ammunition to move up to get Sanchez. That will be fine with me. Once the draft starts we'll see if Snyder sticks to that, or whether he caves in.

Is there a Skins fans consensus on which DE they'd prefer? Maybin, Brown, Orakpo?

Orakpo seems to have been the player a lot of fans were hoping would fall. That still seems unlikely. If Kiper's latest projection of Tyson Jackson at 3 is wrong, I think he's the best "fit" for the Redskins defense (which is a 4-3 that values run anchors at that position in the way a lot of 3-4 teams do). There aren't a ton of teams after KC where Jackson would fit as well as with the Skins.

 

[Ripleys]

Other highlights:

-- Executive vice president Vinny Cerrato said there will be 146 players on the board tomorrow compared to 150-155 last year.

-- Snyder said the board, which has still yet to be posted in the war room, is based on collective grades from the scouts and coaches not on "need, desire or the media."

I'd love to see their board. 22 QB's

87 WR's

21 TE's

a sprinkling of other positions.

Washington Times

Also, Zorn says they will add a QB this weekend, either by draft or as an undrafted free agent.

While I like the part about desire and media, why would you not be looking at your teams NEEDS? :(

 

[fatness]

I'm praying that I'm right that this Sanchez is a smokescreen. It's all I really have left at this point.

On your deathbed you will receive total consciousness, so you've got that going for you as well.

Cannonball! Cannonball coming!

Cinderella story. Outta nowhere. A former greenskeeper.

 

[Ripleys]

Vinnie's Board

I know that is fake because there are no misspelled words on the board. :(

 

[T Bell]

From that same article:

Redskins owner Daniel M. Snyder said yesterday in an interview with ESPN 980 radio that his team will not trade its first-round pick in next year's draft.

Frankly, if Snyder's not going to trade next year's #1 pick (which I agree he should not do), I don't think they'll have enough ammunition to move up to get Sanchez. That will be fine with me. Once the draft starts we'll see if Snyder sticks to that, or whether he caves in.

Is there a Skins fans consensus on which DE they'd prefer? Maybin, Brown, Orakpo?

Orakpo seems to have been the player a lot of fans were hoping would fall. That still seems unlikely. If Kiper's latest projection of Tyson Jackson at 3 is wrong, I think he's the best "fit" for the Redskins defense (which is a 4-3 that values run anchors at that position in the way a lot of 3-4 teams do). There aren't a ton of teams after KC where Jackson would fit as well as with the Skins.

All I know is that they need someone who can hold up at the point of attack on the strong side, and can also get to the QB. They don't have to be Bruce Smith, but if they can generate pressure and make contested tackles on running plays then I can get behind their selection. Orakpo arguably could do that though he's somewhat undersized, but a redeeming quality of him is that he may also be athletic enough to drop in to short coverage like a SLB does, and that too is a role that we need to fill so that (plus some saying Orakpo is the best overall defensive player in the draft) would allow me to accept that too. But for God's sake draft a freaking lineman!

 

[fatness]

I'd like to see them draft Michael Oher.

 

[Yamato]

I'd like to see them draft Michael Oher.

Oher might not be there Fatness. Would be a great pick if he was. Ya know Philly screwed us when they traded and got Peters from the Bills. It took the Bills from going defense to now considering OT. If the Bills take Oher...hats off to Philly. They had the insight that the Skins front office dosent have..

 

[Sebowski]

My wishlist:

Orkapo or Oher (don't think either will be there)

Brown

Trade down draft any USC LB.

 

[Dexter Manley]

Some quick thoughts:

- If they don't give up next year's #1, they're not going to have enough ammo to move up to get Sanchez

- I don't see any way Oher is there at 1.13

- The closer it gets to the draft, the more noise I'm hearing about teams wanting to trade up into the teens.

- Hopefully the prior 3 things I've listed enables the Skins to trade down, and accumulate more picks. I can only hope.

 

[scoobygang]

If all four of the OTs are gone, and they can trade down, I wouldn't mind seeing them take Mack at center and adding a LB or a situational pass rusher later. I'm one of those who actually does think Sanchez will be a much better QB than Campbell, I just don't think the Skins have the luxury of being able to get up there to take him.

 

[Dexter Manley]

If all four of the OTs are gone, and they can trade down, I wouldn't mind seeing them take Mack at center and adding a LB or a situational pass rusher later. I'm one of those who actually does think Sanchez will be a much better QB than Campbell, I just don't think the Skins have the luxury of being able to get up there to take him.

This. I agree with everything you wrote. Ideally, Snyder and MCV hold firm and don't give up next years #1 to get Sanchez, and as a result they learn that if you build depth through the draft on both lines, then you can afford the luxury of trading up for a qb in the future. The main reason this Sanchez business stinks isn't because of him, he's an ideal fit for Zorn's offense, it's due to the fact that they've neglected the lines in the draft for the better part of the past decade.

 

[Sebowski]

If all four of the OTs are gone, and they can trade down, I wouldn't mind seeing them take Mack at center and adding a LB or a situational pass rusher later. I'm one of those who actually does think Sanchez will be a much better QB than Campbell, I just don't think the Skins have the luxury of being able to get up there to take him.

Mack is not going to happen unless they think he can play guard for a couple years. Vinny had high praise for Rabach in the radio interview yesterday.

 

[Yamato]

We have been saved!

 

[thayman]

We have been saved!

I you Jets

 

[T Bell]

We have been saved!

I you Jets

 

[Brutis]

Campbell should still ask to be traded

Go Cowboys

 

[fatness]

Thank You Jets!!!!

 

[fatness]

Campbell should still ask to be traded

 

[Sebowski]

Woo-Hoo!!!

Huge Jets fan right now.

 

[Yamato]

Heyward-Bey....good for him....good for US!

 

[Sebowski]

Great for us. Two more WRs could go before us. That means a Tackle or Orakpo (less likely) could slip.

 

[fatness]

49'ers

Bills

Broncos

Redskins

coming up

Things are looking good at this point.

 

[Sebowski]

Two guys I want. 2 picks until we pick.

Why am so worried?

 

[fatness]

Awesome. Oher and Orapko will be there when the Skins pick.

 

[Yamato]

Orakpo or Oher.....I'm happy. Well...Now Im afraid to watch

 

[thayman]

Oher.

 

[T Bell]

This couldn't have broken better for those of us wanting them to draft a lineman.

That's what scares me.

 

[thayman]

Holy crap that was fast.

 

[fatness]

Orakpo.

I'm OK with that.

 

[Yamato]

Orakpo could be a stud.....

 

[Brutis]

Orakpo could be a stud.....

He's junkGo Dallas

 

[massraider]

Solid pick there. Best DE in the draft.

 

[fatness]

On NFL Network, Orakpo just said the first thing he would buy is "a big used bed."

 

[Sebowski]

Oher.

But we just signed Mike Williams.

 

[thayman]

Oher.

But we just signed Mike Williams.

 

[T Bell]

Oher.

But we just signed Mike Williams.

Word.I'm actually fine with Orakpo. God knows we've neglected D-line for long enough.