****OFFICIAL 2009 Off Season Washington Redskins Thread**** (2 Viewers)

[Bizkiteer]

Disappointed on day 2 drafting. I for one thought a SLB would be taken in the 3rd round and much seems to be reaches after. I would love to be wrong and have the dissappointment erased into utter joy, but until I see it....not going to get excited. Looks like they did awesome with the 1st day pick (Orakpo) and then went out to party last night instead of studying up on what was left on the board for day 2.

 

[ChrisCooleyFan]

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[scoobygang]

Dissappointed on day 2 drafting. I for one thought a SLB would be taken in the 3rd round and much seems to be reaches after. I would love to be wrong and have the dissappointment erased into utter joy, but until I see it....not going to get excited. Looks like they did awesome with the 1st day pick (Orakpo) and then went out to party last night instead of studying up on what was left on the board for day 2.

If the picks bust, it will be because of too much study, not too little. If they weren't prepared, they'd have just had a board that looked like the Stats Inc. one or something. For whatever reason, they had players who their scouting department liked. That doesn't mean they won't be crappy picks, but I think it's silly when we all pretend to know. I had seen Duke Robinson play twice in my life. And he was the bypassed pick I was MOST familiar with. I'm not going to get upset that they didn't pick some offensive tackle I've never heard of in my life before I looked at a draft website.

 

[ChrisCooleyFan]

Redskins Sign Chase Daniel

 

[Marvelous]

Dissappointed on day 2 drafting. I for one thought a SLB would be taken in the 3rd round and much seems to be reaches after. I would love to be wrong and have the dissappointment erased into utter joy, but until I see it....not going to get excited. Looks like they did awesome with the 1st day pick (Orakpo) and then went out to party last night instead of studying up on what was left on the board for day 2.

If the picks bust, it will be because of too much study, not too little. If they weren't prepared, they'd have just had a board that looked like the Stats Inc. one or something. For whatever reason, they had players who their scouting department liked. That doesn't mean they won't be crappy picks, but I think it's silly when we all pretend to know. I had seen Duke Robinson play twice in my life. And he was the bypassed pick I was MOST familiar with. I'm not going to get upset that they didn't pick some offensive tackle I've never heard of in my life before I looked at a draft website.

Some thoughts:1. After the early rounds, drafting for need really cannot apply. The chances of finding a starter, much less a first year starter in rounds 4-7 are low. You are a desparate team if you need that.2. We really have no idea how any of these players will develop. The lower rounds of the draft are usually developmental projects and will take a few years to really judge. How they develop will ultimately be how we judge this draft. Even last year's draft, the jury is still out, although the initial data does not look good for the Redskins.3. My big issue with the Redskins drafting is year after year, they can't find OL and DL that are "value" picks in the draft. The only conclusion I can make is that the Redskins chronically undervalue OL and DL in the draft.

 

[fatness]

3. My big issue with the Redskins drafting is year after year, they can't find OL and DL that are "value" picks in the draft. The only conclusion I can make is that the Redskins chronically undervalue OL and DL in the draft.

Nail. Head. Hit.

 

[fatness]

Well, when they get near the end of training camp with the offensive line looking old, injured, and thin, they can always trade a couple future draft picks for the best offensive lineman available.

 

[fatness]

And while the league has been highly valuing the crop of first-round tackles over the past two drafts, the Skins have taken a contrary stance. (Atlanta traded up to get Washington's pick, 21st overall, in 2008 and took tackle Sam Baker, for example.) That's worth noting and watching over time, particularly if quarterback Jason Campbell's development is stunted again this season by a wilting line.

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I'll be interested to see how some of the tackles taken in the second round fare. Coming into the draft, I heard from a lot of teams valued UConn tackle William Beatty (he went to the Giants), while New England took Sebastian Vollmer a few picks earlier after trading down repeatedly, and Eben Britton and Phil Loadholt went higher in the second round. So, between the first round last year, and the first two rounds this year, 16 tackles were selected. If this group proves to have anything close to the success of the 2008 class, and right tackle remains a position of great concern for the Redskins, I imagine we could be talking about these two drafts for a while

JLC

 

[Marvelous]

I got an email today from Jim Zorn.

As Coach of your Washington Redskins, I want to personally give you the GOOD NEWS!You’ve made it! Michael, you can now have season tickets in your own name!Join me at FedExField in 2009 for the experience of a lifetime!

I actually thought it would be an invitation to try out as an offensive lineman. I thought he may be getting desparate since he didn't get any OL help during the draft.I zoomed through the 30 year waiting list for season tickets for the Redskins. Last year, I got the email that my name had come up and I did not act on it. Apparently I am still at the top of the list.

 

[T Bell]

After seeing the draft play out as a whole, I'm rethinking things. We all knew that this was a shallow draft overall, and so taking the approach of hunting down special teamers and projects may make more sense. While there were good OL's available in the 2nd round, our great sin there was the Jason Taylor trade. Overall, this draft was fine as it wasn't going to provide us with anyone who could immediately help us after the 2nd round anyway.

 

[TankRizzo]

Wow....day 2 was......interesting. Why does Vinny flat out waste picks on positions like TE??? I mean...it's pretty much a 99.99999% he's not going to make the team, why not take a flier on a lineman??? Ugh. To quote Christian Bale: "You're ****** amateur, man".

I think he sufficiently pissed away any good will he unintentionally gained himself by not having enough ammo to move up to get Sanchez and having Orakpo slip to him. I'm still utterly shocked he made the pick.

 

[Dexter Manley]

I'm very familiar with Cody Glenn, having watched him play his entire career at Nebraska. The guy is a very good athlete. He came to NU as a big back and actually outperformed Marlon Lucky (who was the consensus #2 rb of that class behind Jonathon Stewart) at rb, his freshman and sophmore year.

He moved to WILL his senior year due to the lack of depth at LB, and rather surprisingly became the team's best LB immediately, despite having no prior experience at the position. The first game last year against Western Michigan it was obvious that the WM offense was targetting him thinking he was the weak link, and he blew up with like 12 tackles, a couple TFL, a forced fumble and 3 pass breakups.

Cody was suspended before the Kstate game, for unknown reasons (looks like it was confirmed as ticket scalping). He would never rejoin the team.

What I like about him, is that he is that he has tremendous upside at OLB, he's a special teams demon, and he's versatile - for example, I wouldn't be shocked if he developed into the Skins' best short yardage/goalline runner if given an opportunity. The guy was an absolute beast when performing that role at Nebraska. He looked comfortable in space, and was also an effective blitzer. He's got good hands. Also, he's a high character kid. Don't be fooled by the team suspension.

What I don't like about him is that he seems to easily get dinged (although most of his injuries did occur at rb). His sophmore year was plagued by a foot injury. Also while he's versatile in that he can play special teams and rb, he's only going to be able to play WILL, imo. I don't see him as a guy that's going to be able to play SAM or MIKE.

Finally, while I like the player, I HATE the pick. Many, if not most teams, didn't even have Glenn on their boards. IMO, Glenn was going to be a 7th round pick or UFA. I can only assume that Glenn was the BPA on the Skins board in the 5th, but why not move down and add another pick? Stupid.

 

[Dexter Manley]

Guys, I was also watching the draft yesterday, and watching the Skins pass on olinemen like Robinson, Meredith, Murtha, etc. in the late rounds. The only explanation I can think of is that they simple did not have any of these guys on their board.

In retrospect, I can partially understand this. Duke Robinson, can't move and wouldn't be a good fit for our offense, imo. Despite having a world of talent, Murtha could never put it all together at Nebraska, and the dude makes way too many mental errors. I don't know enough about Meredith to make a judgement on him.

There's a reason these guys fell late into the draft. They all have major flaws or question marks.

 

[T Bell]

Guys, I was also watching the draft yesterday, and watching the Skins pass on olinemen like Robinson, Meredith, Murtha, etc. in the late rounds. The only explanation I can think of is that they simple did not have any of these guys on their board. In retrospect, I can partially understand this. Duke Robinson, can't move and wouldn't be a good fit for our offense, imo. Despite having a world of talent, Murtha could never put it all together at Nebraska, and the dude makes way too many mental errors. I don't know enough about Meredith to make a judgement on him.There's a reason these guys fell late into the draft. They all have major flaws or question marks.

I said yesterday that I smell a Bugel veto on these non-picks.

 

[T Bell]

2009 UNDRAFTED ROOKIE FREE AGENTSPlayer 	Position 	CollegeRobert Agnone 	TE 	DelawareScott Burley 	OL 	MarylandChase Daniel 	QB 	MissouriAntonio Dixon 	DT 	Miami (Fla.)Doug Dutch 	CB 	MichiganDevin Frischknecht 	TE 	Washington StateJohn Halman 	WR 	ConcordiaBrigham Harwell 	DT 	UCLALendy Holmes 	S 	OklahomaRonnie Palmer 	LB 	ArizonaDerek Walker 	DE 	IllinoisEdwin Williams 	OL 	MarylandJaison Williams 	WR 	Oregon

 

[Bizkiteer]

Via Redskins.com (Gary Fitzgerald):

The Redskins added to their rookie crop on Monday, agreeing to terms with 13 undrafted free agents on contracts.

The group includes two Maryland offensive linemen in Scott Burley and Edwin Williams and Missouri quarterback Chase Daniel who was a Heisman Trophy candidate in 2007.

Burley and Williams took part in the Redskins’ local college workout at Redskins Park on April 3.

The Redskins’ six draft picks and 13 undrafted rookies are expected to be on hand at the team’s three-day mini-camp scheduled for May 1-3.

Here is the complete list of undrafted rookies:

2009 UNDRAFTED ROOKIE FREE AGENTS

Player Position College

Robert Agnone TE Delaware

Scott Burley OL Maryland

Chase Daniel QB Missouri

Antonio Dixon DT Miami (Fla.)

Doug Dutch CB Michigan

Devin Frischknecht TE Washington State

John Halman WR Concordia

Brigham Harwell DT UCLA

Lendy Holmes S Oklahoma

Ronnie Palmer LB Arizona

Derek Walker DE Illinois

Edwin Williams OL Maryland

Jaison Williams WR Oregon

I know they liked the Williams OL from MD, but they also took his teammate Burley too. I know the TE they drafted is not a TE in their eyes, but a FB who Cerrato said would have been a 3rd or 4th rounder if he didn't get hurt the past season.

 

[T Bell]

The Harwell signing is interesting if only because of the Dwayne Walker connection at UCLA.

 

[TankRizzo]

Finally, while I like the player, I HATE the pick. Many, if not most teams, didn't even have Glenn on their boards. IMO, Glenn was going to be a 7th round pick or UFA. I can only assume that Glenn was the BPA on the Skins board in the 5th, but why not move down and add another pick? Stupid.

Gotta LOVE our front office. This is akin to (on a much smaller scale) what Al Davis did by picking HB when he did. What is the point, may I ask, in drafting a guy who is a 7th rounder or potential UFA in the FIFTH??? Day 2 of their draft is just plain ridiculous.

 

[T Bell]

Finally, while I like the player, I HATE the pick. Many, if not most teams, didn't even have Glenn on their boards. IMO, Glenn was going to be a 7th round pick or UFA. I can only assume that Glenn was the BPA on the Skins board in the 5th, but why not move down and add another pick? Stupid.

Gotta LOVE our front office. This is akin to (on a much smaller scale) what Al Davis did by picking HB when he did. What is the point, may I ask, in drafting a guy who is a 7th rounder or potential UFA in the FIFTH??? Day 2 of their draft is just plain ridiculous.

Honestly guys, this draft was filled with guys "drafted two/three/four rounds too early". Every team has similar tales to tell. That should tell you something about how shallow the talent was in this draft. More than any other draft in recent memory, I'd say that the proof will be in the pudding and we really won't know how to assess it until two-plus years from now.

 

[Bizkiteer]

On a seperate note of draft news...Leroy Hill is now a FA after SEA took the franchise tag off of him, due to drafting Curry. I for one ray: this 'Skins get involved in the bidding and hopefully land this 26 yr old LB.

 

[TankRizzo]

UDFA list is coming out in moments supposedly.

 

[T Bell]

On a seperate note of draft news...Leroy Hill is now a FA after SEA took the franchise tag off of him, due to drafting Curry. I for one ray: this 'Skins get involved in the bidding and hopefully land this 26 yr old LB.

I could get behind this.

 

[T Bell]

After seeing the draft play out as a whole, I'm rethinking things. We all knew that this was a shallow draft overall, and so taking the approach of hunting down special teamers and projects may make more sense. While there were good OL's available in the 2nd round, our great sin there was the Jason Taylor trade. Overall, this draft was fine as it wasn't going to provide us with anyone who could immediately help us after the 2nd round anyway.

I'm not the only one thinking this way. Here's Tandler's input:

Drafting the draft that’s in front of you

Should the Washington Redskins have taken an offensive tackle in the draft?

Certainly, it would have been nice to come out of the weekend having secured the long-term replacement for the right offensive tackle position, preferably a replacement who could line up with the first team in minicamp. It's a problem area and important one.

The first chance they had to snag a tackle was with their first pick, the 13th overall. By all reports they were focused on Brian Orakpo, the pass-rushing defense end they've been without for about 20 years, and Michael Oher, the Mississippi offensive tackle. Orakpo was the pick.

Oher didn't go until 10 picks later. Not only did the Redskins think that Orakpo was the better player, the 10 teams who drafted after them didn't value Oher enough to make him a pick in the teens. Regardless, we will be able to compare the careers of Oher and Orakpo as the years go by and see if the Redskins erred in taking the end over the tackle.

But for right now the Orakpo pick is, at worst, defensible.

It is the third-round pick of Maryland cornerback Kevin Barnes that has some folks irate. A third-round pick generally isn't an instant starter but he could be and, certainly, one would expect that the 80th overall pick, a first-day selection under the old draft schedule, would be ready to start at some point in the next year or so.

So why not a tackle here? I don't have access to the Redskins' draft board but one would have to assume that Barnes was the higher-rated player and that no offensive tackle was close.

You can say that Vinny Cerrato and company and the rest of the gang in Ashburn wouldn't know a good prospect if he sat in their lap and called them mama (to quote the commercial played endlessly over the course of the draft). The rest of the league, however, backs up that judgment.

After Barnes was drafted with the 16th pick of the third round, no team took an offensive lineman for the rest of that round. Not one. The next offensive lineman to go was a center, Jonathan Lugis out of Arkansas, with the sixth pick of the fourth round (106 overall). The next player listed as an offensive tackle to go was T. J. Land of Eastern Michigan, who went a few picks later to Green Bay with the 109th overall pick. A Google search reveals, however, that it appears that he is being thought of more as a guard than as a tackle.

You have to go to the 35th pick of the fourth round, all the way to pick number 135, to find the next tackle taken. Troy Kropog of Tulane went to the Titans with a compensatory pick. Reaching by 50 picks, a round and a half, to fill a need is not the way to build through the draft.

If you want to argue that the Skins should have taken Jamon Meredith or Duke Robinson or Fenuki Tupou instead of Cody Glenn in the fifth, fine. I'll concede that one. The rest of the league, however, didn't seem to think as much of them as Kiper, Mayock, and the rest of the draft "experts" did. We can compare over the years and see how they turn out just like we do with other players the Redskins could have had like LaRon Landry vs. Amobi Okoye or Fred Davis vs. Calais Campbell.

While you can get lucky every once in a while you aren't going to solve your problem areas for this year in the fifth round and later. If you want to debate Robert Henson vs. Tackle X or Eddie Williams vs. Tackle Y, be my guest. Again, time will tell.

The Redskins didn't lose their opportunity to take a tackle in this draft over the weekend. They lost it last August when they dealt their second-round pick for Jason Taylor and when their fourth-rounder went to the Jets for Pete Kendall two years ago. That limited their options both in terms of sheer numbers and in the opportunity to move up and down. A second-round pick such as Phil Loadholt of Oklahoma would have made the whole draft look a lot better.

But you can't draft the draft you wish was there, you have to work with was actually is there. Time will tell how this one will turn out.

 

[Bizkiteer]

Tandler brings up a very good point and said it well. I did notice that there just weren't too many names that are reconizable in day 2, compared to the other years. Maybe re-thinking is worthy of discussion and let's face it...if we weren't in such a depth need, those later round picks wouldn't have as much weight anyway.

 

[T Bell]

Tandler brings up a very good point and said it well. I did notice that there just weren't too many names that are reconizable in day 2, compared to the other years. Maybe re-thinking is worthy of discussion and let's face it...if we weren't in such a depth need, those later round picks wouldn't have as much weight anyway.

What this also does is adds some sense to the idea of trading up to get Sanchez, though I remain opposed to such a notion and am ecstatic that they landed Orapko. Trading up in a weak draft class isn't a bad strategy if you're convinced that you can get a legit franchise QB.

 

[Marvelous]

Finally, while I like the player, I HATE the pick. Many, if not most teams, didn't even have Glenn on their boards. IMO, Glenn was going to be a 7th round pick or UFA. I can only assume that Glenn was the BPA on the Skins board in the 5th, but why not move down and add another pick? Stupid.

Gotta LOVE our front office. This is akin to (on a much smaller scale) what Al Davis did by picking HB when he did. What is the point, may I ask, in drafting a guy who is a 7th rounder or potential UFA in the FIFTH??? Day 2 of their draft is just plain ridiculous.

Honestly guys, this draft was filled with guys "drafted two/three/four rounds too early". Every team has similar tales to tell. That should tell you something about how shallow the talent was in this draft. More than any other draft in recent memory, I'd say that the proof will be in the pudding and we really won't know how to assess it until two-plus years from now.

The other thing: it only takes one other team to like a guy to make waiting a really bad decision. Nobody knows what everyone else's draft boards look like. So if you really want a guy, you may need to take him earlier. The front office, scouts, coaches, etc. are paid to have opinions about these players and made decision based on them. The key to all this is eventually picking the right players more often than other teams.

 

[Marvelous]

Tandler brings up a very good point and said it well. I did notice that there just weren't too many names that are reconizable in day 2, compared to the other years. Maybe re-thinking is worthy of discussion and let's face it...if we weren't in such a depth need, those later round picks wouldn't have as much weight anyway.

What this also does is adds some sense to the idea of trading up to get Sanchez, though I remain opposed to such a notion and am ecstatic that they landed Orapko. Trading up in a weak draft class isn't a bad strategy if you're convinced that you can get a legit franchise QB.

Of course, other teams should also know it is a shallow draft and want more in a trade up.

 

[Yamato]

On a seperate note of draft news...Leroy Hill is now a FA after SEA took the franchise tag off of him, due to drafting Curry. I for one ray: this 'Skins get involved in the bidding and hopefully land this 26 yr old LB.

I could get behind this.

Doesnt Hill have some legal issues?

 

[T Bell]

On a seperate note of draft news...Leroy Hill is now a FA after SEA took the franchise tag off of him, due to drafting Curry. I for one ray: this 'Skins get involved in the bidding and hopefully land this 26 yr old LB.

I could get behind this.

Doesnt Hill have some legal issues?

Misdemeanor mary jane possession. Certainly a red flag, and it means he's in the drug program now so . . .

 

[dgreen]

2009 UNDRAFTED ROOKIE FREE AGENTSPlayer 	Position 	CollegeScott Burley 	OL 	MarylandEdwin Williams 	OL 	Maryland

Keep in mind that Heyer was an UDFA out of Maryland. Not that he's turned out to be a rock at RT, but he's at least stuck around. Maybe a couple of these guys can, at the very least, push Heyer to be his best.

 

[Dexter Manley]

Good article by Tandler. I was reviewing things myself and noticed how after the 1st round, we were never really in position to draft an OL. This draft was really weak. Right before we picked in round 3, I was looking at the BPA's, and the guys who were left would be 4th/5th rounders in most other drafts.

I think the weakness of this draft was the main catalyst for so many teams reaching on players. It was one thing to see the Raiders and Cowboys reaching for players early. It was entirely another seeing the Patriots and Dolphins start reaching for players in the 3rd round. This was a really bizarre and curious draft.

All in all, I'm pretty happy with the Skins draft. I don't do draft grades, but I think we did pretty well here, especially when you condsier that we didn't trade away any future picks. I believe we have all our 2010 draft picks, sans the 6th rounder we have to send to Miami to complete the Taylor trade.

Orakapo DE - Top defensive player on their board. Pass rusher which is desperately needed. Should fill an immediate need.

Kevin Barnes CB - Might of been a bit of a reach, but as I stated earlier, there was a significant dropoff in talent availble which occurred right before this pick. It would be one thing if the front office passed on a stud like Jarron Gilbert or Michael Johnson to take Barnes, but both of those guys were off the board right before the pick, and any OL chosen there would have been a major reach. Bloom seems to think he could have been a day 1pick had he not injured his shoulder last season. I have no idea how his injury recovery has gone (broken shoulder blade and torn labrum).

Cody Glenn OLB - Already wrote my opinion of Glenn earlier. Optimally, they should of traded down to the 6th and picked up another 7th so they could of drafted another non-lineman.

Robert Henson LB - I can't find much info about this guy as to whether he played MIKE or SAM. Stereotypical run stuffing LB. Liability in pass coverage. 2 down LB, speical teams type. From what I've read so far, I don't see him making the team.

Eddie Williams FB/TE - Was voted team MVP last season. Sounds like a versatile guy. Allegedly would of been a midround pick if he was healthy. I'm guessing he'll be placed on the PUP list and not play this year, which I don't mind at all since we have no immediate need for him to play.

Marko Mitchell WR - Has prototypical west coast wr size, along with good speed and athleticism. Has a lot of talent, but obviously hasn't fulfilled it. Should have a good chance to make the team, I would think.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

Via Redskins.com (Gary Fitzgerald):The Redskins added to their rookie crop on Monday, agreeing to terms with 13 undrafted free agents on contracts.The group includes two Maryland offensive linemen in Scott Burley and Edwin Williams and Missouri quarterback Chase Daniel who was a Heisman Trophy candidate in 2007.Burley and Williams took part in the Redskins’ local college workout at Redskins Park on April 3.The Redskins’ six draft picks and 13 undrafted rookies are expected to be on hand at the team’s three-day mini-camp scheduled for May 1-3.Here is the complete list of undrafted rookies:2009 UNDRAFTED ROOKIE FREE AGENTS Player Position College Robert Agnone TE Delaware Scott Burley OL Maryland Chase Daniel QB Missouri Antonio Dixon DT Miami (Fla.) Doug Dutch CB Michigan Devin Frischknecht TE Washington State John Halman WR Concordia Brigham Harwell DT UCLA Lendy Holmes S Oklahoma Ronnie Palmer LB Arizona Derek Walker DE Illinois Edwin Williams OL Maryland Jaison Williams WR Oregon I know they liked the Williams OL from MD, but they also took his teammate Burley too. I know the TE they drafted is not a TE in their eyes, but a FB who Cerrato said would have been a 3rd or 4th rounder if he didn't get hurt the past season.

FWIW, the Redskins also signed QB Joe Ganz from Nebraska today.

 

[Dexter Manley]

Ganz and Daniel on the same team. Hillarious.

 

[Bizkiteer]

Good article by Tandler. I was reviewing things myself and noticed how after the 1st round, we were never really in position to draft an OL. This draft was really weak. Right before we picked in round 3, I was looking at the BPA's, and the guys who were left would be 4th/5th rounders in most other drafts.

I think the weakness of this draft was the main catalyst for so many teams reaching on players. It was one thing to see the Raiders and Cowboys reaching for players early. It was entirely another seeing the Patriots and Dolphins start reaching for players in the 3rd round. This was a really bizarre and curious draft.

All in all, I'm pretty happy with the Skins draft. I don't do draft grades, but I think we did pretty well here, especially when you condsier that we didn't trade away any future picks. I believe we have all our 2010 draft picks, sans the 6th rounder we have to send to Miami to complete the Taylor trade.

Orakapo DE - Top defensive player on their board. Pass rusher which is desperately needed. Should fill an immediate need.

Kevin Barnes CB - Might of been a bit of a reach, but as I stated earlier, there was a significant dropoff in talent availble which occurred right before this pick. It would be one thing if the front office passed on a stud like Jarron Gilbert or Michael Johnson to take Barnes, but both of those guys were off the board right before the pick, and any OL chosen there would have been a major reach. Bloom seems to think he could have been a day 1pick had he not injured his shoulder last season. I have no idea how his injury recovery has gone (broken shoulder blade and torn labrum).

Cody Glenn OLB - Already wrote my opinion of Glenn earlier. Optimally, they should of traded down to the 6th and picked up another 7th so they could of drafted another non-lineman.

Robert Henson LB - I can't find much info about this guy as to whether he played MIKE or SAM. Stereotypical run stuffing LB. Liability in pass coverage. 2 down LB, speical teams type. From what I've read so far, I don't see him making the team.

Eddie Williams FB/TE - Was voted team MVP last season. Sounds like a versatile guy. Allegedly would of been a midround pick if he was healthy. I'm guessing he'll be placed on the PUP list and not play this year, which I don't mind at all since we have no immediate need for him to play.

Marko Mitchell WR - Has prototypical west coast wr size, along with good speed and athleticism. Has a lot of talent, but obviously hasn't fulfilled it. Should have a good chance to make the team, I would think.

I'd say that my main disappointment comes from when the 'Skins traded with the Vikings. Yes they got an extra pick, but I thought the Vikings took the actual player I wanted the 'Skins to take, Jasper Brinkley LB SCar.

 

[Bizkiteer]

On a seperate note of draft news...Leroy Hill is now a FA after SEA took the franchise tag off of him, due to drafting Curry. I for one ray: this 'Skins get involved in the bidding and hopefully land this 26 yr old LB.

I could get behind this.

Doesnt Hill have some legal issues?

Misdemeanor mary jane possession. Certainly a red flag, and it means he's in the drug program now so . . .

Put a clause in the contract and if he screws it up again....BAM...signing bonus comes back and cutting him is not as major. See that's easy, make it happen and sign him already.

 

[Sidewinder16]

From Rotoworld:

Seahawks GM Tim Ruskell confirmed that he is continuing to negotiate with free agent LeRoy Hill and that Hill indicated he wants to remain in Seattle.

Ruskell removed the franchise tag after drafting Aaron Curry, saying he needed the cap room for flexibility. The tag often inhibits contract talks, so the Seahawks' move may actually work to get Hill signed more quickly. Apr. 27 - 1:20 pm et

Even if Hill were to start negotiating with other teams, I don't think the 'Skins have the cap room to be seriously involved. He'll probably end up being a $4-6 million cap hit (at least) this year wherever he lands.

 

[Bizkiteer]

JLC reported previously that the 'Skins liked Robert Francois, LB from BC. He wasn't drafted, has anyone seen if he signed as a UDFA somewhere?

 

[southeastjerome]

Wow....day 2 was......interesting. Why does Vinny flat out waste picks on positions like TE??? I mean...it's pretty much a 99.99999% he's not going to make the team, why not take a flier on a lineman??? Ugh. To quote Christian Bale: "You're ****** amateur, man".

I think Eddie Williams translates more to a fullback/hback in the pros from what I've read.

 

[Sidewinder16]

JLC reported previously that the 'Skins liked Robert Francois, LB from BC. He wasn't drafted, has anyone seen if he signed as a UDFA somewhere?

Signed by the Vikings.

 

[southeastjerome]

ESPN is saying that Levi Jones is about to be traded or released. Anyone have an idea of what contract this guy would command?

 

[scoobygang]

Someone yesterday was speculating that the Bengals would release Levi Jones. He might also be too expensive for the Skins, but he wouldn't command a Peters type of salary.

 

[TankRizzo]

ESPN is saying that Levi Jones is about to be traded or released. Anyone have an idea of what contract this guy would command?

If I had to guess I'd imagine somewhere a little north of what Dockery got (completely wild and uneducated guess though), but I'm not sure what the market will be like for him. I'd definitely like to have him though.

 

[T Bell]

Someone yesterday was speculating that the Bengals would release Levi Jones. He might also be too expensive for the Skins, but he wouldn't command a Peters type of salary.

He also likely weighs slightly less than a mature adult sperm whale, unlike Mike Williams.

 

[TankRizzo]

Someone yesterday was speculating that the Bengals would release Levi Jones. He might also be too expensive for the Skins, but he wouldn't command a Peters type of salary.

He also likely weighs slightly less than a mature adult sperm whale, unlike Mike Williams.

He also might favor another starting job. Unless he can play RT too, I don't know how willing he would be to play as a backup.

 

[scoobygang]

I just wanted to add that yesterday reinforced (for me) the idea that Greg Blache has the FO's ear. I have a lot of respect for Blache, and it's important to remember that the Skins defense last year, despite finishing 4th didn't really closely resemble the defenses that Blache had run for Chicago in the past. I think Blache that Blache believes that Haynesworth's ability to occupy blockers inside will allow him to use a lot more blitz packages successfully this year. Which is why I think he's put a premium on attacking, athletic linebacker/end types. And I don't necessarily disagree with the strategy of building on your strengths in order to make them overwhelming before addressing weaknesses.

Again, for all I know the scouting department #### the bed and these players will bust. I'm not drinking Kool Aid here. But I don't disagree with the philosophy. I actually liked the Glenn pick from the beginning. I don't particularly care whether they could have possibly gotten him later. Jay Ratliff went in the 7th round to the Cowboys. If the Cowboys had taken him in the 5th, nobody would be complaining now that they could have possibly gotten him later. Get your guys. If they can't play, that's on you. If they can, I don't care when you get them.

 

[Sidewinder16]

ESPN is saying that Levi Jones is about to be traded or released. Anyone have an idea of what contract this guy would command?

If I had to guess I'd imagine somewhere a little north of what Dockery got (completely wild and uneducated guess though), but I'm not sure what the market will be like for him. I'd definitely like to have him though.

My guess is his cost won't be worth the risks he brings. I believe he's primarily been a LT during his career, so can he successfully switch to the right side? He's also coming off of an injury-shortened season where, when he was playing, he was part of the worst OL in the NFL (is he fully healed? how much of the OL woes were his fault?). He'll also be 30 in August.

 

[scoobygang]

Someone yesterday was speculating that the Bengals would release Levi Jones. He might also be too expensive for the Skins, but he wouldn't command a Peters type of salary.

He also likely weighs slightly less than a mature adult sperm whale, unlike Mike Williams.

Has anyone tried moving that fat ### inside? That's always my answer to these types of questions. Leonard Davis likes his ribs too much to be a tackle, but the guy can be a road grater inside. The one bit of sanity I was happy to see in the draft was that Andre Smith didn't drop too far. The guy dominates the entire SEC all year and people want him to drop because he doesn't have 8 minute abs. It's the NFL not a Chippendale's tryout.

 

[T Bell]

ESPN is saying that Levi Jones is about to be traded or released. Anyone have an idea of what contract this guy would command?

If I had to guess I'd imagine somewhere a little north of what Dockery got (completely wild and uneducated guess though), but I'm not sure what the market will be like for him. I'd definitely like to have him though.

My guess is his cost won't be worth the risks he brings. I believe he's primarily been a LT during his career, so can he successfully switch to the right side? He's also coming off of an injury-shortened season where, when he was playing, he was part of the worst OL in the NFL (is he fully healed? how much of the OL woes were his fault?). He'll also be 30 in August.

Our linemen would refer to him as "the whippersnapper".

 

[T Bell]

From Rotoworld:

Seahawks GM Tim Ruskell confirmed that he is continuing to negotiate with free agent LeRoy Hill and that Hill indicated he wants to remain in Seattle.

Ruskell removed the franchise tag after drafting Aaron Curry, saying he needed the cap room for flexibility. The tag often inhibits contract talks, so the Seahawks' move may actually work to get Hill signed more quickly. Apr. 27 - 1:20 pm et

Even if Hill were to start negotiating with other teams, I don't think the 'Skins have the cap room to be seriously involved. He'll probably end up being a $4-6 million cap hit (at least) this year wherever he lands.

This, from the Seahawks' official site, doesn't make it sound like the team is being all that aggressive.

 

[T Bell]

I just wanted to add that yesterday reinforced (for me) the idea that Greg Blache has the FO's ear. I have a lot of respect for Blache, and it's important to remember that the Skins defense last year, despite finishing 4th didn't really closely resemble the defenses that Blache had run for Chicago in the past. I think Blache that Blache believes that Haynesworth's ability to occupy blockers inside will allow him to use a lot more blitz packages successfully this year. Which is why I think he's put a premium on attacking, athletic linebacker/end types. And I don't necessarily disagree with the strategy of building on your strengths in order to make them overwhelming before addressing weaknesses.Again, for all I know the scouting department #### the bed and these players will bust. I'm not drinking Kool Aid here. But I don't disagree with the philosophy. I actually liked the Glenn pick from the beginning. I don't particularly care whether they could have possibly gotten him later. Jay Ratliff went in the 7th round to the Cowboys. If the Cowboys had taken him in the 5th, nobody would be complaining now that they could have possibly gotten him later. Get your guys. If they can't play, that's on you. If they can, I don't care when you get them.

I completely agree. Well said.