T Bell
Footballguy
You may have missed the report from a day or two ago where he weighed 450+ lbs. and hadn't played a game since 2005. There's a little more to this than moving him to guard.
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****OFFICIAL 2009 Off Season Washington Redskins Thread**** (1 Viewer)
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scoobygang
Footballguy
No, I saw that. He's been out of the game. Nate Newton and Leonard Davis have both reported to camp at 360+. I'm assuming that Williams will drop some weight, but not necessarily enough to play tackle.
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
fatness
Footballguy
The coaching staff is hoping Williams can get down to 370 by training camp, just to put things in perspective. I'm sorry, I can't see him being in physical condition to play NFL football for at least a year, and I'd give that about a 10% chance.We do have a rare, precious, and beautiful opportunity at this moment, though. I'm reasonably sure the Redskins have signed the heaviest guy ever signed by an NFL team. The phrase "fat tub of goo" is officially ours, now.
T Bell
Footballguy
To put things in more perspective, he's got to drop from 450+ to 370, so he's got to drop about a sixth grader. So if anyone sees a kid running around the locker room, he belongs to Williams.
nittanylion
Footballguy
Hey, Guys. Just got back from NYC and the NFL Draft. Lots to talk about, but it's a very busy week for me, and I'm already behind the 8-Ball for an important catering gig scheduled for Friday, so it's going to be 'catch as catch can' for the time being...
I'll try to address some things in order:
My comments about Colt Brennan: I don't watch the 'Alphabet Network' (ABC, CBS, NBC) Evening News, and I don't pay much attention to what the Redskins throw out there for the General Public to hear, pretty much for the same reasons - they're both full of slant, spin, deception, downright falsehood, and are agenda-driven. You get their version of the news, and while there are shreds of truth mixed in, it's rarely the real story, and never the full story.
When it comes to the Redskins, all I can say is that I'm fortunate enough to have access to the real story, and from people involved with the organization at a level where they work with the athletes daily, in areas I understand from my own educational and football background at Penn State.
I think I gave a GREAT explanation of why Colt Brennan will not be a successful NFL QB unless he's place in the 'perfect storm' of skill position circumstances, earlier in this thread. Why don't the Redskins want to share the same info with you? Gee, I don't know...maybe because they're still clearing egg off their faces from last year's Draft?
How much egg? I'll say this much: the 'skins brought 2 Jerseys to Radio City Music Hall Saturday, and if Orakpo hadn't been there at 13, the other Player they were ready to select would have been an absolutely BLISTERING indictment of last year's Draft. ABSOLUTELY BLISTERING.
Again: don't believe everything you hear, especially from the Redskins Media Network: Dan Snyder has his share of foibles, but one thing he's very good at is Snyder Communications: Media and Public Relations. We should always be digging for the truth behind the illusion with everything that anyone from that Organization shares with the General Public.
Mike Williams: Yeah, he's a big boy, all right, but underneath all that lard they're currently working off him - his program entered it's 'intense' stage at about 8AM today - he's got a TON of muscle. Yes, he didn't stop eating, but he's never stopped hitting the weights either, because he really does want to play in the NFL again. He's currently around 415, but it's one of my acquaintences main responsibilities to trim him down to 365 by Training Camp. I'll say this much, though - after Dockery encouraged the Team to bring him in for a tryout - which they did because he and Dock became best buddies in Buffalo, and Dock is well within the good graces of the organization now that he's back - they didn't expect much. But everyone was absolutely BLOWN AWAY by how strong that guy was under all that fat - and I don't just mean weight room strong - I mean playing mechanics strong. He blew everyone in the DT rotation (Haynesworth, Griffin, Montgomery and Gholston) off the line with solid leverage techniques as well as pure strength. He's got skills and potential, and if he shows the committment to get down to the mid-300's, he's got it in him to be a legit road-grader.
Apparently, they've spent significant time rebuilding Rinehardts confidence in the offseason, and he's ready for at least another chance, and while Fred Davis won't be another Cooley anytime soon, he's doing a pretty good impression of Don Warren (who was an original Hog, remember), working on strength and technique designed to make him effectively another Offensive Tackle, who can slip loose and catch the occasional pass when the opportunity presents itself.
There's nothing like sitting on Press Row at the NFL Draft right next to Faletti and Bloom, and with John Clayton and Jay Glazer within talking distance to my right and in front, respectively. I was in the Interview Room with every Rookie attending on both Day 1 and 2, with a recorder, and pretty much unlimited access to ask questions, which I wasn't completely prepared for, and quite frankly, more than a little surprised by. Can't wait for next year. Orakpo wasn't much of an interview - I think he's socially slow, but apparently he's got a very high football IQ, and that's all that matters.
LOVE the Orakpo Pick, btw. Oher was the only other Rookie I would have considered at that point, and quite frankly, I'd have loved it if the 'skins had cut a deal with the Ravens for this year's 3rd and next year's 1st to take Oher with the Ravens pick, but that probably wouldn't have been enough to get into that spot...but I do think the kid has 'it'.
Ugh, 9:40 already. Gotta get moving. Plenty more to share. I don't have any feeling yet about the rest of the Draft Class except that I think they could have done better in the 3rd Round than to take a guy who hasn't completely recovered from a broken shoulder and torn labrum. Not that he doesn't have outstanding football skills, BUT...there were other CB's with equivalent skills who were available at that point. When it's a big part of your job description to tackle, well, doing that much damage to your shoulder is a risky proposition for sure...
I'll try to address some things in order:
My comments about Colt Brennan: I don't watch the 'Alphabet Network' (ABC, CBS, NBC) Evening News, and I don't pay much attention to what the Redskins throw out there for the General Public to hear, pretty much for the same reasons - they're both full of slant, spin, deception, downright falsehood, and are agenda-driven. You get their version of the news, and while there are shreds of truth mixed in, it's rarely the real story, and never the full story.
When it comes to the Redskins, all I can say is that I'm fortunate enough to have access to the real story, and from people involved with the organization at a level where they work with the athletes daily, in areas I understand from my own educational and football background at Penn State.
I think I gave a GREAT explanation of why Colt Brennan will not be a successful NFL QB unless he's place in the 'perfect storm' of skill position circumstances, earlier in this thread. Why don't the Redskins want to share the same info with you? Gee, I don't know...maybe because they're still clearing egg off their faces from last year's Draft?
How much egg? I'll say this much: the 'skins brought 2 Jerseys to Radio City Music Hall Saturday, and if Orakpo hadn't been there at 13, the other Player they were ready to select would have been an absolutely BLISTERING indictment of last year's Draft. ABSOLUTELY BLISTERING.
Again: don't believe everything you hear, especially from the Redskins Media Network: Dan Snyder has his share of foibles, but one thing he's very good at is Snyder Communications: Media and Public Relations. We should always be digging for the truth behind the illusion with everything that anyone from that Organization shares with the General Public.
Mike Williams: Yeah, he's a big boy, all right, but underneath all that lard they're currently working off him - his program entered it's 'intense' stage at about 8AM today - he's got a TON of muscle. Yes, he didn't stop eating, but he's never stopped hitting the weights either, because he really does want to play in the NFL again. He's currently around 415, but it's one of my acquaintences main responsibilities to trim him down to 365 by Training Camp. I'll say this much, though - after Dockery encouraged the Team to bring him in for a tryout - which they did because he and Dock became best buddies in Buffalo, and Dock is well within the good graces of the organization now that he's back - they didn't expect much. But everyone was absolutely BLOWN AWAY by how strong that guy was under all that fat - and I don't just mean weight room strong - I mean playing mechanics strong. He blew everyone in the DT rotation (Haynesworth, Griffin, Montgomery and Gholston) off the line with solid leverage techniques as well as pure strength. He's got skills and potential, and if he shows the committment to get down to the mid-300's, he's got it in him to be a legit road-grader.
Apparently, they've spent significant time rebuilding Rinehardts confidence in the offseason, and he's ready for at least another chance, and while Fred Davis won't be another Cooley anytime soon, he's doing a pretty good impression of Don Warren (who was an original Hog, remember), working on strength and technique designed to make him effectively another Offensive Tackle, who can slip loose and catch the occasional pass when the opportunity presents itself.
There's nothing like sitting on Press Row at the NFL Draft right next to Faletti and Bloom, and with John Clayton and Jay Glazer within talking distance to my right and in front, respectively. I was in the Interview Room with every Rookie attending on both Day 1 and 2, with a recorder, and pretty much unlimited access to ask questions, which I wasn't completely prepared for, and quite frankly, more than a little surprised by. Can't wait for next year. Orakpo wasn't much of an interview - I think he's socially slow, but apparently he's got a very high football IQ, and that's all that matters.
LOVE the Orakpo Pick, btw. Oher was the only other Rookie I would have considered at that point, and quite frankly, I'd have loved it if the 'skins had cut a deal with the Ravens for this year's 3rd and next year's 1st to take Oher with the Ravens pick, but that probably wouldn't have been enough to get into that spot...but I do think the kid has 'it'.
Ugh, 9:40 already. Gotta get moving. Plenty more to share. I don't have any feeling yet about the rest of the Draft Class except that I think they could have done better in the 3rd Round than to take a guy who hasn't completely recovered from a broken shoulder and torn labrum. Not that he doesn't have outstanding football skills, BUT...there were other CB's with equivalent skills who were available at that point. When it's a big part of your job description to tackle, well, doing that much damage to your shoulder is a risky proposition for sure...
Great write up. Can you give us hints on who they were looking at? It's got to be a wide receiver.The biggest problem with drafting 2 wrs high last year is that it gives you less flexibility since you have to give them time to develop. Last year, 2/5 of the wide receiver corp was unproductive because they were young and learning (and healing). It would be hard to draft a wide reciever high again this year, even if the value is outstanding, and possibly have 3/5 or 3/6 of your receivers on the learning curve.nittanylion said:
T Bell
Footballguy
Or a TE. My guess is Maclin or Pettigrew.
The other interesting note here is that Oher was not the Redskin's 2nd choice, which is what we all believed.
T Bell
Footballguy
I would have flipped if they'd have passed over Oher without Orakpo being available, and even moreso for a pass catcher.Just a random opinion of mine: I am not sure drafting a TE in the 1st round is ever a good move. Most TE aren't really game changers and the ones that are, generally haven't been drafted in the 1st round (Cooley, Whitten, Gates). Tony Gonzalez was a first rounder.
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
Just because they were prepared to take a WR doesn't mean they don't have faith in their rookie WRs. I think it's because they don't have faith in Moss or Randel-El. Look, the Skins have a lot of veteran players holding them back right now. Portis, Moss, Randel-El, Jansen, Samuels.
- Portis plays maybe 50% of the plays. That's ridiculous for a starting RB. Yeah he blocks, but he has no heart for running anymore. I cannot begin to explain how much harm I think Portis does to this team, especially from a committment on the field viewpoint. His lack of play hurts cohesion and really, really damages Campbell's comfort level. I'd rather have a lower quality Betts starting than deal with calling plays around Portis' ability to stay on the field. Riggins never needed as much oxygen as Portis does.
- Moss is a plain idiot. He catches maybe 5 passes a game, and after every one signals first down or spins the ball in triumph. Shut up and get back to the huddle. You are an average WR. You will not have a job within 2 years.
- Randel-El and Jansen have just lost it physically. I really like both players, but they have just reached their useful football lifespan.
- Samuels is very talented, but his work ethic is a joke and it rolls off on the rest of the team. I know several of his friends, and the fact is they'll tell you he doesn't care as long as he's getting paid.
- Campbell is actually not that bad of a QB physically. But his lack of emotion and leadership have always been a question. He's better than a bunch of QBs that have won the SB. But he does not inspire his team to perform at it's highest. That worries me because he can't bring this offense above a culture of losing.
The GREAT news is that we have really upgraded our Defense. This could be a top 3 D now that they will generate a pass rush. There will be more INTs, more fumbles recovered, more sacks. This means the offense has less pressure to put together longs drives. So my hope is that a mediocre offense will get it done, and that Zorn will open up the offense a bit now that the defense can hold them if mistakes are made by the O.
- Portis plays maybe 50% of the plays. That's ridiculous for a starting RB. Yeah he blocks, but he has no heart for running anymore. I cannot begin to explain how much harm I think Portis does to this team, especially from a committment on the field viewpoint. His lack of play hurts cohesion and really, really damages Campbell's comfort level. I'd rather have a lower quality Betts starting than deal with calling plays around Portis' ability to stay on the field. Riggins never needed as much oxygen as Portis does.
- Moss is a plain idiot. He catches maybe 5 passes a game, and after every one signals first down or spins the ball in triumph. Shut up and get back to the huddle. You are an average WR. You will not have a job within 2 years.
- Randel-El and Jansen have just lost it physically. I really like both players, but they have just reached their useful football lifespan.
- Samuels is very talented, but his work ethic is a joke and it rolls off on the rest of the team. I know several of his friends, and the fact is they'll tell you he doesn't care as long as he's getting paid.
- Campbell is actually not that bad of a QB physically. But his lack of emotion and leadership have always been a question. He's better than a bunch of QBs that have won the SB. But he does not inspire his team to perform at it's highest. That worries me because he can't bring this offense above a culture of losing.
The GREAT news is that we have really upgraded our Defense. This could be a top 3 D now that they will generate a pass rush. There will be more INTs, more fumbles recovered, more sacks. This means the offense has less pressure to put together longs drives. So my hope is that a mediocre offense will get it done, and that Zorn will open up the offense a bit now that the defense can hold them if mistakes are made by the O.
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Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
It was Percy Harvin.
Do you have sources like Nittanylion or are you speculating?
dgreen
Footballguy
Has anyone tried moving that fat ### at all? Careful, you might hurt your back.
Yamato
Footballguy
Portis...I'm not sure regarding you acusation of him only playing 50% of the plays. He touched the ball 40% of the time (370 touches out of 796 plays). He does like to hit the sidelines but his work warrents he does.Moss...Most underutilized player on the team. A deep threat receiver who plays on a ball control team. If you think he's that bad lets trade him to Philly and see how he does. I dont think there are too many teams where Moss wouldnt start.Randle El...How can you blast Moss and like this guy? You're right about his football lifespan.Jansen...From what I hear they are keeping him because his cap hit isnt worth dropping him. I say move him to gaurd or back up center and use him as a reserve. Samuels...His talent is dropping off with age. He probably should be our right takle. Regarding his work ethic...playing well is how you get paid. Maybe he doesnt give 100%. But at his age I think that is the norm.Campbell...A long ball QB on a west coast/ball control team. Bet the reason Campbell wasnt upset about the Skins going after Cutler is because he wants out. He probably wants to get a chance to go to a team better suited to his skill set. Regarding his leadership and emotion...if the team was winning there would be no issues with this. So to me this isnt a fault.Im hoping that the 2 rookie WR's can improve and allow us to drop/trade Randle El. Also hoping the new CB Barnes can push Smoot and we can trade/drop him. The money we save should go right into the offensive line.
T Bell
Footballguy
I largely agree with Yamato. I never hear anything bad about Samuels' preparation, so I have no idea where this is coming from. The guy is definitely a liability when he suffers an injury to his lower body (which seemingly occurs every other year), but is otherwise rock solid. Moss isn't a #1 WR in the sense that he needs help from the rest of the lineup to get open. He can't create a defensive mismatch purely on his own. But he's also better than a WR2. I agree that there aren't many (any?) teams in the NFL he wouldn't be starting on.ARE is a WR3 who should be playing in the slot, and who could be very good in such a role, but who we have the misfortune of lining up as a WR2. Not his fault, and hopefully Kelly and Thomas change that this year.
Harjiran
Footballguy
Are we watching the same guy? If nothing else, Portis is all heart. And I recall him tearing it up the first half of last year before the OL broke down.
buster c
Footballguy
Betts is a fumbling machine. He had a nice run of games to end the 2007 season (and break 1K yards (with 2 game-losing fumbles)), but you can't win with his turning it over. seems it's more the timing of his fumbles than the quantity. they seem to be crushing game changers. he had a bad one late last season (I forget who it was against).I'd say with the way Portis crushes pass-rushers, he saved Campbell more than he damaged him. A bigger heart you will not find on this team. He's queer as a 3-dollar bill, but he gives everything he has.
fatness
Footballguy
Wow. You need to sort these guys out a bit, and also sort out what they do to hurt the team from what you don't like about them.Portis, while he rubs some people the wrong way (and makes the rest of us laugh) is one of the better team players you'll ever see. The only time he slows down on the field is when he's tired, which is usually 1-3 plays before they send Betts in to give him a breather. The guy busts his ### in games and levels people in pass blocking. That's the real balls check for any RB --- are they willing to smash LB's?Moss is the best Skins WR and they'd be poorer without him, and would have no passing game at all.Randle El is a likeable guy, but besides being an intermittent posession WR doesn't do anything else for the team. When he's returning punts he looks like a spider on a waffle iron. Jansen is just shot, but never is short on effort. It's not his fault they refuse to draft replacements for him.Samuels allowed what, 3 sacks last year? 2? Come on, he's our best O-lineman and protects Campbell's blind side better than most tackles could.
Yamato
Footballguy
I say it was Crabtree. And I bet they wanted to trade up to get him as well. Can you imagine the revolt if they traded up and got a WR?
T Bell
Footballguy
Regardless of who it was, it's pretty clear that the reason why this can be seen as anything like a "successful draft" has less to do with our own front office and more to do with other teams, especially the Jets.
Just a note: Randle El was signed by the Redskins the same year they signed Archuleta and traded for Lloyd. Because Randle El actually does play, he is not considered a bust of a free agent signing. But he is extremely overpaid (in Snyder syntax, maybe they were over-aggressive.) He is paid like a very good wr#2, when he is a poor one and a below average punt returner. That was not a good off-season for the Redskins.fatness said:
T Bell
Footballguy
ChrisCooleyFan
Footballguy
Any thoughts on Larry Foote? Is he capable of playing olb?
T Bell
Footballguy
He's apparently stated that he wants to play in his hometown of Detroit. I think anyone that insane should be avoided.
Bizkiteer
Footballguy
Per JLC:
Marcus Mason Is Back With The Skins
The former Skins RB and Georgetown Prep product is back with the Redskins, according to a league source, after being claimed on waivers. Mason spent the past two training camps with Washington and was one of the final cuts in 2008. He was signed to Baltimore's practice squad and then later to the Jets' active roster, but was placed on waivers Monday after New York selected a running back in the third round of the draft.
The San Diego Chargers, who like Washington have a deep backfield, also claimed Mason, according to the source, but the Redskins were awarded him based on them having first crack at him based on the reverse order of finish in 2008. Mason will be with the Redskins for the start of mini-camp Friday. He has become popular among fans and last season some were expecting him to make the team after some strong performances in exhibition games, though his struggles on special teams held him back.
The Redskins bring back runners Clinton Portis, Ladell Betts and Rock Cartwright from last season.
Marcus Mason Is Back With The Skins
The former Skins RB and Georgetown Prep product is back with the Redskins, according to a league source, after being claimed on waivers. Mason spent the past two training camps with Washington and was one of the final cuts in 2008. He was signed to Baltimore's practice squad and then later to the Jets' active roster, but was placed on waivers Monday after New York selected a running back in the third round of the draft.
The San Diego Chargers, who like Washington have a deep backfield, also claimed Mason, according to the source, but the Redskins were awarded him based on them having first crack at him based on the reverse order of finish in 2008. Mason will be with the Redskins for the start of mini-camp Friday. He has become popular among fans and last season some were expecting him to make the team after some strong performances in exhibition games, though his struggles on special teams held him back.
The Redskins bring back runners Clinton Portis, Ladell Betts and Rock Cartwright from last season.
Bizkiteer
Footballguy
Per JLC:
Cody Glenn Says He Lied About The Reason For His Suspension
Updated 7:50 p.m.:
Redskins fifth-round pick Cody Glenn was suspended for three games by Nebraska last season, this much we know.
Over the weekend I had sources with two other NFL teams say that from the information they had on the player, Glenn was suspended for a ticket-scalping incident.
And on Sunday, minutes after the linebacker was drafted by the Skins, we asked Glenn on a conference call why he was suspended. Trust me, it was no huge deal, no big probe, just one direct, open-ended question. And Glenn said that he was suspended for a ticket scandal.
Then, this afternoon an Associated Press story moves on the the wire from Nebraska, where a reporter spoke to Glenn. And Glenn told this reporter that he made up the story about the tickets when he spoke to the Redskins beat reporters on Sunday.
According to the AP story, Glenn said he told us the story about the tickets to get us off his back (although one innocuous questiuon during a conference call hardly constitutes a major inquest; if anything Glenn, who played at running back before switching to LB for his senior season, has made this a bigger issue than anyone ever perceived it to be).
"It's me being dumb, just trying to have people leave me alone," Glenn told the AP when asked today about why he gave the Washington media the story about the tickets. "It's something I said that I probably shouldn't have, looking at it now."
Sources from two NFL teams also said that when they asked Glenn at the scouting combine why he had been suspended, he told them it was for ticket scalping.
"Good luck whenever he gets waived," one NFL source said, noting that the teams Glenn lied to at the draft -- which could number quite a few -- will not be pleased that he misled them.
According to the AP, Nebraska's athletic department said yesterday that it had no knowledge of the player selling any tickets. Glenn refused to tell the AP what the real reason for the suspension was, saying it is a private matter between him and the school. Calls to Glenn's agent, Kevin Robinson, were not immediately returned.
Well, for a kid who earned academic and citizenship honors in college, he's managed to make the first 72 hours of his NFL career way more interesting than they needed to be. He was a reach pick in the fifth round, given his lack of defensive experience and slight frame, and rather than being another unassuming rookie, I'm guessing he's going to get a much bigger dose of the D.C. media when he arrives for minicamp Friday, complete with multiple follow-up questions and all.
Bizarre. Rarely a dull day at Redskins Park, even in the dog days of spring.
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Rut roh! Houston we have a problem!!!!
Cody Glenn Says He Lied About The Reason For His Suspension
Updated 7:50 p.m.:
Redskins fifth-round pick Cody Glenn was suspended for three games by Nebraska last season, this much we know.
Over the weekend I had sources with two other NFL teams say that from the information they had on the player, Glenn was suspended for a ticket-scalping incident.
And on Sunday, minutes after the linebacker was drafted by the Skins, we asked Glenn on a conference call why he was suspended. Trust me, it was no huge deal, no big probe, just one direct, open-ended question. And Glenn said that he was suspended for a ticket scandal.
Then, this afternoon an Associated Press story moves on the the wire from Nebraska, where a reporter spoke to Glenn. And Glenn told this reporter that he made up the story about the tickets when he spoke to the Redskins beat reporters on Sunday.
According to the AP story, Glenn said he told us the story about the tickets to get us off his back (although one innocuous questiuon during a conference call hardly constitutes a major inquest; if anything Glenn, who played at running back before switching to LB for his senior season, has made this a bigger issue than anyone ever perceived it to be).
"It's me being dumb, just trying to have people leave me alone," Glenn told the AP when asked today about why he gave the Washington media the story about the tickets. "It's something I said that I probably shouldn't have, looking at it now."
Sources from two NFL teams also said that when they asked Glenn at the scouting combine why he had been suspended, he told them it was for ticket scalping.
"Good luck whenever he gets waived," one NFL source said, noting that the teams Glenn lied to at the draft -- which could number quite a few -- will not be pleased that he misled them.
According to the AP, Nebraska's athletic department said yesterday that it had no knowledge of the player selling any tickets. Glenn refused to tell the AP what the real reason for the suspension was, saying it is a private matter between him and the school. Calls to Glenn's agent, Kevin Robinson, were not immediately returned.
Well, for a kid who earned academic and citizenship honors in college, he's managed to make the first 72 hours of his NFL career way more interesting than they needed to be. He was a reach pick in the fifth round, given his lack of defensive experience and slight frame, and rather than being another unassuming rookie, I'm guessing he's going to get a much bigger dose of the D.C. media when he arrives for minicamp Friday, complete with multiple follow-up questions and all.
Bizarre. Rarely a dull day at Redskins Park, even in the dog days of spring.
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Rut roh! Houston we have a problem!!!!
I actually think its a non-issue. If he can play, he will play. If he does not make it with the Redskins, maybe he will get fewer looks from other teams.
Bizkiteer
Footballguy
From what I can remember, he can play OLB too. He's not stellar by any sort, but he is solid. Compared to what we have...he'd help us out by being a starter and letting Blades be a fill-in. I'd hope the 'Skins would look at LeRoy Hill first, but if cost effective is the deciding factor...Foote would be the man.
fatness
Footballguy
Yamato
Footballguy
Panty Raiding
fatness
Footballguy
Once, just once, I'd like to see him hit with a whipped cream pie. Just once.
A guy can dream.............................................
A guy can dream.............................................
Bizkiteer
Footballguy
Unless he was being suspended for something more than being mischievous in nature. It's not something an organization wants hear that a player they took lied to them. Professional setting or not, it's a terrible beginning impression of someone. What else is he lying about? Where does he draw the line....does he just tell fibs to get a job?
T Bell
Footballguy
And as we all know, if there's anything that correlates with Super Bowl wins it's brainy CB's.
fatness
Footballguy
Well if he doesn't work out at cornerback he could replace Vinnie.And as we all know, if there's anything that correlates with Super Bowl wins it's brainy CB's.
T Bell
Footballguy
Well if he doesn't work out at cornerback he could replace Vinnie.And as we all know, if there's anything that correlates with Super Bowl wins it's brainy CB's.
Since when are brains required in our front office?Good point. Of course, if the lie had come out before the draft, he is probably an undraft free agent at this point. At this point, the Redskins have already committed a 5th round pick to Glenn. So if it comes out that he is covering up something substantial, then it could affect him. Otherwise, unless he is on the bubble and the Redskins decide to go with the more truthful guy, it probably won't make a difference.Unless he was being suspended for something more than being mischievous in nature. It's not something an organization wants hear that a player they took lied to them. Professional setting or not, it's a terrible beginning impression of someone. What else is he lying about? Where does he draw the line....does he just tell fibs to get a job?
How well does he play raquetball? I heard that is an important qualification for a front office job.
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
Wait, so you're saying that Zorn is now simply a mouthpiece for Snyderatto, tutored in the fine arts of spin and deception? That he's giving Brennan undo praise simply to help Danny and Vinnie (or himself?) save face?I would find that very surprising given just the evidence available to me regarding Zorn. I suppose it could be true, but it just doesn't jive with what I've seen and heard.I get that Brennan is Zorn's pet project. But I think Zorn is smart enough to realize that if Brennan fails, for any reason, it costs the 'Skins next to nothing. He was a 6th round pick, and his contract only just barely counts against the cap under the rule of 51. I don't see any reason for Zorn to prop him up, unless he was legitimately impressed with Brennan's progress to date. Nothing Zorn has ever said or done suggests to me that he'd rather prop up his own drafting record at the expense of team success.I also get that you put a lot of stock in your friends opinions. I'd probably do the same. But Zorn has already proven in this league that he knows what it takes to succeed as a QB and he's transformed marginal talent into Pro Bowl production. I'm not sure his opinion should be discarded so easily.
Bizkiteer
Footballguy
The person also needs to have the ability to sleep over and play Madden in franchise mode too.How well does he play raquetball? I heard that is an important qualification for a front office job.Well if he doesn't work out at cornerback he could replace Vinnie.And as we all know, if there's anything that correlates with Super Bowl wins it's brainy CB's.
Since when are brains required in our front office?
T Bell
Footballguy
Vinnie knows Bo Pellini personally and is friends with him. I'm certain Vinnie was told what the infraction was. Now all we have to do is trust Vinnie's judgment that the infraction (which was obviously "worse" - whatever that means - than ticket scalping) isn't something to concern ourselves with.Good point. Of course, if the lie had come out before the draft, he is probably an undraft free agent at this point. At this point, the Redskins have already committed a 5th round pick to Glenn. So if it comes out that he is covering up something substantial, then it could affect him. Otherwise, unless he is on the bubble and the Redskins decide to go with the more truthful guy, it probably won't make a difference.Unless he was being suspended for something more than being mischievous in nature. It's not something an organization wants hear that a player they took lied to them. Professional setting or not, it's a terrible beginning impression of someone. What else is he lying about? Where does he draw the line....does he just tell fibs to get a job?
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