***Official*** 2009 Washington Redskins Thread (1 Viewer)

[ChrisCooleyFan]

Just finished watching the game. Gonna post a couple of things real quick. Marko Mitchell needs to make this team. On Cooley's long run, MM was down field blocking well. Made a nice move for his td (even though against a rook) guy deserves to be number 5. Devin Thomas not giving up number 2 so easy. Marcus Mason needs to make this team. Say goodbye to Rock, looks like Devin could return Kickoffs. Mason has looked good again this preseason. And if Daniel does well next week, goodbye to Colt.

 

[Sidewinder16]

Not bad. Not bad at all. Last year's team would have folded up when behind 17-7, but they didn't.

They committed far too many penalties (had to be in double digits) and were ####ty on special teams coverage but other than that they played New England well. Encouraging game.

These were my biggest beefs as well. Potential game killers, but the 'Skin's #1s still played New England's #1s to a draw.Last night was basically what everyone has been looking for from the offense, and it happened in the one preseason game you really need to see it in. Color me psyched.

 

[fatness]

Say goodbye to Rock, looks like Devin could return Kickoffs.

I was real happy to see the way Devin Thomas protects the ball with both arms over it. And I agree, Mitchell needs to make the team. As for Mason/Aldridge I don't see one looking better than the other, do you?

Jason Campbell looked good. It's nice to see some air under the ball, to see the ball caught down the field by multiple receivers, to see the O-line giving him decent protection, and to see his game awareness. He faked that LB out of his socks on his TD run.

 

[fatness]

This is how you lose a game you should have won.

Penalties and special teams.

More yards and fewer turnovers, and they still lost.

 

[Bizkiteer]

Very encouraging as the offensive passing game looked more alive last night than the entire season last year. JC was winging it all over the place and made some very nice throws. I'll believe it more when it happens in reg season, but it was very encouraging to say the least. Best part was that every type of pass seemed like a possibilty and was not the same ol dink-n-dunk. JC's sideline interview was great to hear as he stated we can't just dink-n-dunk our way through, we have to open it up like tonight's game.

Our running game w/ CP sucked! I think he got 1 or 2 yds for each carry. I would also say that Betts should be glad that he's not as cuttable (cap wise) because I think Mason can do his job just as well and for far less money. I liked what I saw from Dorsey vs. PIT, but he didn't seem as sure footed when running the ball this game. Alridge looked like he was shot out of a cannon every time he touch the ball, he just seems to be a HR talent. Not sure if we keep 4 RB's, but I think CP, Betts, Mason and Alridge...Rock is cut. I'd like Dorsey to make it and could see him taken over Alridge because of ST work. Someone else made a good point about DT returning kicks too.

I know it's later in the game, but Lendy Holmes has to make this team. He is a sure fire tackler and was all over the place. I am really impressed with his positioning and how he can do multiple things on the field (cover, tackle, blitz), he out played Moore & Doughty last night.

Our coverage seems to lack and doesn't come across very sound. Smoot played outstanding last night and that was very good to see. Barnes had a pick and Tryon had one good pass break up, but there was plenty of other stuff that is enough to scare a man or give him a weekly gray hair.

DL is getting good push, more than I have seen in the last couple of years. I still am not seeing the havoc or the ability to get there on a consistent basis. I'll say it again, I think we are the worst blitzing team in the NFL. I've never seen so many blitzes not even come close to the QB as ours do. Noticed Orakpo and C. Wilson playing much more DE this game too. I think they will be back-ups in those spots and Wynn most likely will not make the team. BTW - Orakpo is a beast and takes great angles to make tackles in traffic or in open field, this guy will be a force and I see where teams will have to plan on him being out on the field.

D. Thomas looked legit last night and clearly made a statement saying that he's not willing to sit behind Kelly. DT was more aggressive and even caught 2 balls that were thrown a bit behind him will running. Add that he returned kicks...very good night for him. Kelly was okay, but looked out of place on the fade pass in the endzone. Marko Mitchell could be a STEAL of a draft pick. I know it's early, but it would not surprise me if he was better than DT or Kelly in 2-3 yrs.

As for our QB's, Colt is most likely done. Two INT's in or around the endzone in two weeks does not bode well. They even said that Zorn wanted to see how he managed the game and taking care of the ball in the red zone is crucial. Unless Daniel had a terrible and awful showing next week, I expect that Daniel will be the #3. I also saw more side arm throwing from Colt last night than ever before. I know he's always done it, but last night seemed like every thrown was side arm'd.

 

[fatness]

I'll say it again, I think we are the worst blitzing team in the NFL. I've never seen so many blitzes not even come close to the QB as ours do.

That has irritated me for years. Either the other teams know when it's coming, or the blitz schemes are messed up. "You're blitzing this play so run right at a blocker" seems to be the plan.

 

[dgreen]

My first half thoughts from being at the game...

Orakpo (I feel like I'll start with him a lot) wasn't nearly as effective in pass rush as he was against the run or chasing down receivers. NE's OL did a good job against Haynesworth and Orakpo. Haynesworth was getting pushed around in the run game and it wasn't always due to double teams. They were able to make Brady move in the pocket a few times, but never really produced huge pressure.

Sad to say, but it may be time to let Rock go. Thomas looks good on KR. He does what Rock does (run straight), but with more speed. And, Thomas did well at WR. It seems to me, Thomas is the guy you want to just get the ball in his hands (reverses, screens, quick passes) and Kelly is the guy you rely on to run good patterns and make a big catch. Although, both fades in the endzone were pretty ugly.

Hall, of course, was burned by Moss over and over. Can't really be too hard on him for that, though. He won't face someone of that caliber every week.

Interesting that they gave so much 1st half work to Mason. Another sign that Rock is on his way out?

Porits is chipping less on pass plays. He's getting out into his patterns like Zorn wants.

Of his 22 passes, Campbell probably only had 2 or 3 that coulda/shoulda been better. I like that they are going deep more, but he has to start hitting those. No way he should have missed Moss. On one pass to Cooley (not the big one), Campbell glanced at Mason (or was it Betts) in the flat, drawing the defender to the flat, then went back to Cooley for a first down. It was a nice look-off, which can only happen when you have time.

Speaking of time, the starting OL still looks good. They gave up some pressure on some blitzes, but they are combating that by quick throws and dump offs. BTW, that one dump off to Betts when Campbell was nailed, Betts looked slow. He couldn't outrun the LB.

After getting home and watching the second half (and rewatching the first half), the main thing that stood out was Marko Mitchell. As mentioned, he provided some good downfield blocking on Cooley's big gain. And, of course, his TD was nice. I really hope he makes the team.

The backup OL continues to struggle. Appears to be a lot of Colt bashing today, but he didn't receive the best protection.

I like our DL depth. They'll be able to rotate guys and keep everyone fresh. Hopefully that can lead to winning the 4th quarter.

Do we really have to play one more? Can't we just jump to week 1 and get this thing started?

 

[Bizkiteer]

Dexter Manley and buster c, are you getting my emails? You two are the only MIA guys, email or PM me. Thx

Now back to our regular programming...

 

[southeastjerome]

What was with the lack of snaps for Betts? I'm guessing it just can be attributed to wanting to get to see more of Mason.

 

[southeastjerome]

Just finished watching the game. Gonna post a couple of things real quick. Marko Mitchell needs to make this team. On Cooley's long run, MM was down field blocking well. Made a nice move for his td (even though against a rook) guy deserves to be number 5. Devin Thomas not giving up number 2 so easy. Marcus Mason needs to make this team. Say goodbye to Rock, looks like Devin could return Kickoffs. Mason has looked good again this preseason. And if Daniel does well next week, goodbye to Colt.

I agree with everything you said. It would be a travesty if Mitchell did not make the team. I would be shocked if he did not at this point. I would love to see Daniel in early on in the 4th game to hopefully see him go against a 1st or 2nd string defense rather than 3rd stringers and fringe roster guys. He showed poised out there against Pittsburgh.

 

[dgreen]

What was with the lack of snaps for Betts? I'm guessing it just can be attributed to wanting to get to see more of Mason.

My guess is either he's not fully healthy after being dinged last week or they just wanted to get a really good look at Mason. Or both.

 

[fatness]

And if Daniel does well next week, goodbye to Colt.

I don't think it'll depend on how well Daniel does, so much as on which one of the 2 is least likely to completely blow a game in an emergency situation. Face it, if either Daniel or Brennan is playing this season it qualifies as an emergency.

 

[ChrisCooleyFan]

And if Daniel does well next week, goodbye to Colt.

I don't think it'll depend on how well Daniel does, so much as on which one of the 2 is least likely to completely blow a game in an emergency situation. Face it, if either Daniel or Brennan is playing this season it qualifies as an emergency.

If it comes to that, I'm sure Jeff George would apply! :raz:

 

[T Bell]

Just finished watching the game. Gonna post a couple of things real quick. Marko Mitchell needs to make this team. On Cooley's long run, MM was down field blocking well. Made a nice move for his td (even though against a rook) guy deserves to be number 5. Devin Thomas not giving up number 2 so easy. Marcus Mason needs to make this team. Say goodbye to Rock, looks like Devin could return Kickoffs. Mason has looked good again this preseason. And if Daniel does well next week, goodbye to Colt.

 

[T Bell]

Sad to say, but it may be time to let Rock go. Thomas looks good on KR. He does what Rock does (run straight), but with more speed. And, Thomas did well at WR. It seems to me, Thomas is the guy you want to just get the ball in his hands (reverses, screens, quick passes) and Kelly is the guy you rely on to run good patterns and make a big catch. Although, both fades in the endzone were pretty ugly.

I agree. Thomas looked decisive and explosive on KR's. The thing is, you don't usually give your KR a full load at WR, so what this suggests is that our WR2 is actually best described as Thomas/Kelly. I think they're going to get rotated in and out of there, and will of course be on the field at the same time at times too. That probably kills both of their fantasy values unless Kelly gets a lot of red zone TD's but that's good for the team to have options like that, especially with different/complimentary skill sets. As for Rock, this is Brian Mitchell all over again. If you're a special teams specialist and you basically can't contribute as a position player, then you're gone as soon as one or two guys who can do what you do but can also play positions get onto the roster, especially as you get older. Marko Mitchell has a bright future as a WR which seals the deal as to Rock. In fact, Marko looks so good that I would suspect the team might keep only 5 WR's and cut Rock so that they can keep both Mason and Aldridge. I'm also wondering whether Betts is indeed as secure as you guys seem to think. He does look slower.

 

[fatness]

I agree, Devin Thomas looked good returning kicks. Caught the ball, held it securely, and took off right up the field --- all similar to the way Cartwright does. None of the tap-dancing we've seen Randle El do.

 

[dgreen]

I agree, Devin Thomas looked good returning kicks. Caught the ball, held it securely, and took off right up the field --- all similar to the way Cartwright does. None of the tap-dancing we've seen Randle El do.

Yeah, I'm guessing ARE's PR duties are over. My guess is we'll only see him back there in a backup/emergency situation.

 

[T Bell]

I agree, Devin Thomas looked good returning kicks. Caught the ball, held it securely, and took off right up the field --- all similar to the way Cartwright does. None of the tap-dancing we've seen Randle El do.

In fairness to ARE, punt returns are different than kick returns, but yeah, even still he does too much of that.

 

[Swing 51]

From Dan Steinberg's DC Sports Bog on WashingtonPost.com

Greg Blache Blows Up Trevor MatichI heard from a reader the other day who was concerned that some of the team's quote machines, like defensive mastermind Greg Blache, have been a little bit off their game this summer. Well, put those concerns in a lockbox somewhere, because Blache was on slinging the verbal darts Friday night.I have no idea what sort of history there might be between him and Trevor Matich, but a verbal flamewar erupted during CSN's Postgame Live that put Czaban vs. Brunell to shame. (Full Blache video below.) It started with a seemingly innocuous question from Matich, back on the set with Chick Hernandez and Ken Harvey, about the Redskins' pass rush vs. the Pats."Coach, how would you evaluate the pass rush today?" Matich asked.Blache--outside the locker room--gave a bland answer, about how the rush was inconsistent but how it improved as the game went on."What did you think of it?" he then asked Matich with a wink. "You had a reason to ask that question, what'd you think of it?" he said while rolling his eyes.Matich expressed a concern about the time Tom Brady had on his two touchdown passes, and Mount Blache began smoking. He disagreed with Matich's assessment, inj detail, then said this."I knew you had an ulterior motive," he said. "And then when I asked you the question, you went duh duh duh, so obviously when you throw questions, you've got to be able to handle them coming back."Matich tried to get a word in, but the lava was already flowing."There you go again," Blache said, channeling Reagan. "I know you guys, pass rush must the only ting y'all learned in elementary school, because it's the question I get all the time, when it's good and when it's bad. And I don't mind answering your questions, but I'd least like to answer smart, honest, well thought out questions, except the same old, over and over, same old stuff."Matich just stared at the camera, looking like he was about to lose his mind, or vomit, or something. That's the image captured above."Coach, let me just say this, nothing personal there and there was no ulterior motive," he said, as Blache shook his head, sighed deeply, rolled his eyes, and otherwise conveyed strong dissatisfaction."The pass rush has been a question for good or for bad," Matich continued, "and my question was how would you evaluate it. So I appreciate your answer for that, I just wanted to know what your evaluation was.""Well, I know, and I gave it to you," Blache interrupted."I wasn't suggesting anything about it," Matich concluded."You know what though, you know what, I hear it all the time," Blache said. "And quite honestly, I just felt like I'd throw it right back at you. You all want to throw things around, let's see if you can catch."It was, to say the least, uncomfortable viewing."Man," said Ken Harvey, who was next up. It was about the only thing to say at that point. Later he joked with Blache when the coach didn't throw a question back at him."It's just you know what, I come every week, in good faith, but there's a point in time I just get a little tired of the same old BS," Blache said. "So there's times I want to find out if they can handle it coming back. Because it's one thing to ask questions of people all the time, it's another one to have to answer them. You know, so I just want to let them know, if they want to throw stuff, just to be ready to catch."How many days until the next episode of Postgame Live? Set your TiVo machines now.

 

[T Bell]

From Dan Steinberg's DC Sports Bog on WashingtonPost.com

Greg Blache Blows Up Trevor Matich

Seems like a bit of overkill her by Blache.

 

[DCThunder]

As for Rock, this is Brian Mitchell all over again. If you're a special teams specialist and you basically can't contribute as a position player, then you're gone as soon as one or two guys who can do what you do but can also play positions get onto the roster, especially as you get older. Marko Mitchell has a bright future as a WR which seals the deal as to Rock. In fact, Marko looks so good that I would suspect the team might keep only 5 WR's and cut Rock so that they can keep both Mason and Aldridge. I'm also wondering whether Betts is indeed as secure as you guys seem to think. He does look slower.

Excellent analogy, except that Rock doesn't have a big mouth like BMitch and so (probably) won't spend the next 15 years of his life alternatively bashing and kissing butt of the Redskins front office and players.Between BMitch and Lavar, there are a whole lot of disgruntled ex-Redskins on our radio and TV dials... :X

 

[Sidewinder16]

'Skins cut their first 5 yesterday:

Offensive lineman Devin Clark, defensive tackle Michael Marquardt, wide receiver Marques Hagans, linebacker Alfred Fincher and safety Michael Grant are former Redskins.

 

[ChrisCooleyFan]

Here's What Happened/Here's What I Think

In today's packed edition of Here's what happened/Here's what I think, The Mayor declares the competition is over for the fifth wide receiver position, gives some love to Marcus Mason, comments on a surprising Devin Thomas sighting and previews the climactic final round in the Colt Brennan-Chase Daniel battle. As always, let's roll.

Here's what happened: Impressive rookie wideout Marko Mitchell catches a 33-yard touchdown pass in Saturday's 27-24 loss to the New England Patriots and threw a key downfield block on Chris Cooley's 73-yard catch-and-run play.

Here's what I think: Congratulations, Marko Mitchell, you have made the Washington Redskins' opening 53-man roster. Although Coach Jim Zorn and his assistants still are saying the competition is open for the fifth wideout job, Mitchell is a lock to make the team.

The star of training camp, Mitchell ratcheted up his game in the preseason, seizing opportunities to make plays. He teamed with Brennan on a nifty 33-yard touchdown, which was his second touchdown reception in as many weeks. Mitchell's downfield block helped Cooley gain at least another 20 yards.

With a chance to deliver on special teams late in the fourth quarter, Mitchell failed to wrap up Patriots punt returner Patrick Chung, whose 33-yard return set up the game-winning field goal. Instead of being giddy about everything he did well, Mitchell focused on his disappointment about the missed tackle and said he would work harder in that area.

Maybe it's just me, but it's easy to root for a seventh-round draft pick (selected 243rd overall) who takes the approach he does. That's one of the many reasons he's a keeper for the Redskins.

Here's what happened: Running back Marcus Mason continued to show the type of burst and elusiveness the coaching staff wants in a change-of-pace running back. He also threw a key block on Jason Campbell's four-yard touchdown run.

Here's what I think: Zorn and offensive coordinator Sherman Smith have plans for a speed back - if one made the roster. Mason is the top candidate, and the former Georgetown Prep standout continued to make a strong case against the Patriots for his inclusion.

In large part because of his deficiencies in pass protection, Mason did not make the Redskins' roster out of the preseason last season. He appears to be in a similar position this season because the staff is committed to top back Clinton Portis. Backup Ladell Betts will be the third-down back, and Rock Cartwright is a standout on special teams.

In order to make the team, Mason probably would have to unseat Cartwright as a return specialist. That would be extremely difficult, considering Mason does not return kicks. But he definitely knows how to make things happen in the running game and still is in the mix for a roster spot.

Here's what happened: A non-factor in the first two preseason game, second-year wide receiver Devin Thomas returned to life against the Patriots. With Cartwright sidelined because of a groin injury, Thomas averaged 26.3 yards on three kickoffs as the team's primary kick returner. He also had three receptions for 36 yards while being aggressive against the defense.

Here's what I think: It's about time. Thomas could have put a stranglehold on the starting flanker spot early in camp, but he just didn't take advantage of his lead over fellow second-year wideout Malcolm Kelly headed into the preseason. Kelly caught up to Thomas and they have one preseason game remaining to help Zorn make a decision. If Thomas had continued to sleepwalk against the Patriots, Kelly definitely would have been the main guy opposite top wideout Santana Moss on Sept. 13 against the New York Giants at Giants Stadium. Now, at least, there's still a race.

 

[buster c]

I agree, Devin Thomas looked good returning kicks. Caught the ball, held it securely, and took off right up the field --- all similar to the way Cartwright does. None of the tap-dancing we've seen Randle El do.

Yeah, I'm guessing ARE's PR duties are over. My guess is we'll only see him back there in a backup/emergency situation.

really? who's going to be doing the punt returning?

 

[dschuler]

I am a Cowboys fan but I live for Texas Longhorn football. Just wanted to drop in and say that I hope Brian Orakpo tears it up on that D this year, I can't help but root for the guy. He worked his butt off for Texas and I really think GM's will be kicking themselves in the rear when they see the monster that they passed up on in the draft.

 

[fatness]

Thanks dschuler.

By all accounts Orakpo has worked hard, is learning the OLB position faster than they'd imagined, and has worked his butt off. I've heard a couple interviews with they guy and he's pretty intelligent and congenial, comes across well. I just don't see anything not to like about him, and he's livened up the defensive play, that's for sure.

 

[T Bell]

I am a Cowboys fan but I live for Texas Longhorn football. Just wanted to drop in and say that I hope Brian Orakpo tears it up on that D this year, I can't help but root for the guy. He worked his butt off for Texas and I really think GM's will be kicking themselves in the rear when they see the monster that they passed up on in the draft.

The more I see of him and read about his teammates' observations about him, the more I'm shocked that he fell to the 13th pick.

 

[timschochet]

In my draft, I had passed up on all of the elite defenses and grabbed the Redskins with my last pick, on a hunch. I watched them against the Steelers and also a few minutes against the Pats, and I've been impressed by Haynesworth and Orakpo. I'm hoping this D can make some noise this year.

 

[Sylira21]

From today's e-mail update:

Source: Ed Sheahin - CBSSports.com

CBSSports.com reports Washington Redskins RB Clinton Portis (ribs) suffered a rib injury Friday, Aug. 28, that kept him out of practice Sunday, Aug. 30. Portis said, "It's nothing serious. I hurt it on the first play of the game (New England). I'll be all right." Head coach Jim Zorn said Portis would not play in the team's final preseason game Thursday, Sept. 3.

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It's not even the final week of the preseason, and Clinton Portis is hurt already. He says it's nothing serious, but as we saw last year - Portis is breaking down. Fantasy palyers that draft Portis need to handcuff Ladell Betts sometime in the later rounds. Savvy fantasy owners that want to block their leaguemates and select Betts earlier than expected, could be rewarded sooner if Portis fails to stay healthy.

I'm shocked, shocked at Portis not practicing or participating in the final preseason game. I think I'm moving Betts in front of him for drafting purposes.

 

[fatness]

I'm shocked, shocked at Portis not practicing or participating in the final preseason game. I think I'm moving Betts in front of him for drafting purposes.

You'd better start up one of those "Redskin RBBC ---- Betts replacing fading Portis" threads to alert people.

 

[T Bell]

I saw Portis working as a barista at a Starbucks in Flagstaff, Arizona this weekend . . . and he was in a wheelchair.

 

[dgreen]

I agree, Devin Thomas looked good returning kicks. Caught the ball, held it securely, and took off right up the field --- all similar to the way Cartwright does. None of the tap-dancing we've seen Randle El do.

Yeah, I'm guessing ARE's PR duties are over. My guess is we'll only see him back there in a backup/emergency situation.

really? who's going to be doing the punt returning?

I don't know, but ARE hasn't lined up for one PR in the preseason. Maybe it means nothing, but I was assuming that means they are looking for anyone who can take over that job. Of course, the three guys who have gone back for punts in the preseason probably won't make the team, so I could be completely wrong.

 

[T Bell]

I agree, Devin Thomas looked good returning kicks. Caught the ball, held it securely, and took off right up the field --- all similar to the way Cartwright does. None of the tap-dancing we've seen Randle El do.

Yeah, I'm guessing ARE's PR duties are over. My guess is we'll only see him back there in a backup/emergency situation.

really? who's going to be doing the punt returning?

I don't know, but ARE hasn't lined up for one PR in the preseason. Maybe it means nothing, but I was assuming that means they are looking for anyone who can take over that job. Of course, the three guys who have gone back for punts in the preseason probably won't make the team, so I could be completely wrong.

If ARE has reduced WR duties, maybe he'll be more effective as a PR. I'm trying to be optimistic here, people!

 

[dgreen]

I agree, Devin Thomas looked good returning kicks. Caught the ball, held it securely, and took off right up the field --- all similar to the way Cartwright does. None of the tap-dancing we've seen Randle El do.

Yeah, I'm guessing ARE's PR duties are over. My guess is we'll only see him back there in a backup/emergency situation.

really? who's going to be doing the punt returning?

I don't know, but ARE hasn't lined up for one PR in the preseason. Maybe it means nothing, but I was assuming that means they are looking for anyone who can take over that job. Of course, the three guys who have gone back for punts in the preseason probably won't make the team, so I could be completely wrong.

If ARE has reduced WR duties, maybe he'll be more effective as a PR. I'm trying to be optimistic here, people!

Yes, we've heard that optimistic spin quite a bit this offseason. But, it didn't appear to me that ARE's PR failures were from being too tired. In fact, the main complaint is that he runs side to side (spends too much energy) on PR. I guess one could argue that maybe he didn't spend enough time in ST/PR meetings and didn't always know the plays, so he just jumped from side to side because he didn't know where the lane was supposed to be. But, I find it hard to believe that he spent less time on PR during the week than anyone else on the PR team.

 

[Bizkiteer]

'Skins cut their first 5 yesterday:

Offensive lineman Devin Clark, defensive tackle Michael Marquardt, wide receiver Marques Hagans, linebacker Alfred Fincher and safety Michael Grant are former Redskins.

A bit surprised that Fincher was cut, but it's not like he had a lock on making the 53.

 

[Bizkiteer]

I agree, Devin Thomas looked good returning kicks. Caught the ball, held it securely, and took off right up the field --- all similar to the way Cartwright does. None of the tap-dancing we've seen Randle El do.

Yeah, I'm guessing ARE's PR duties are over. My guess is we'll only see him back there in a backup/emergency situation.

really? who's going to be doing the punt returning?

I don't know, but ARE hasn't lined up for one PR in the preseason. Maybe it means nothing, but I was assuming that means they are looking for anyone who can take over that job. Of course, the three guys who have gone back for punts in the preseason probably won't make the team, so I could be completely wrong.

If ARE has reduced WR duties, maybe he'll be more effective as a PR.

Either you haven't had your coffee yet or you are still up from partying last night.

 

[dgreen]

From Jason Reid:

5 Locks to Make the 53-Man Roster

With the first round of cuts completed, I'm ready to list my top five locks to make the opening 53-man roster. These guys began camp fighting for roster spots and would be on the team if the season began today. Barring injury or other unforeseen circumstances, my locks will be with the Redskins on Sept. 13 when they open against the New York Giants at Giants Stadium.

Wide receiver Marko Mitchell

The rookie opened eyes in training camp and has been the star of the preseason. Mitchell still needs a lot of work on special teams, and coach Danny Smith will tutor him throughout the regular season.



Tackle Mike Williams

I know, I know. Williams hasn't played in a regular-season game since 2005, has missed considerable practice time because of an abdominal strain and ankle injury and sat out the last game against the New England Patriots. But management has put a lot of time and resources into helping Williams drop about 80 pounds and regain his footwork and timing. Some in the organization believe Williams could move into the starting lineup early in the season. He can't do that if he isn't on the roster.



Defensive end/strong-side linebacker Chris Wilson

When I heard the Redskins planned to try Wilson as a linebacker this season, I figured his time with the team would soon end. Beginning only his third season in the league, Wilson still was learning his role as a hand-down rush specialist. Wilson, though, has impressed defensive coordinator Greg Blache, who is a hard guy to impress. Blache said Wilson still has a tendency to peek at the quarterback too much when he's in coverage, but that's to be expected of someone transitioning to a new position. Wilson also has continued to contribute on special teams, and Washington needs as much help as it can get on that front.

Guard/tackle Jeremy Bridges

Although the journeyman hasn't been dazzling in practice, the Redskins need his versatility and starting experience. In his first six seasons, Bridges appeared in 62 games, starting 39. He has started at tackle and guard. Pro Bowl left tackle Chris Samuels and right guard Randy Thomas have had knee issues in the preseason after having offseason knee surgery, and the coaching staff is convinced that Bridges could fill in well at right tackle if Stephon Heyer had to replace Samuels for an extended stretch. If second-year guard Chad Rinehart had to replace Thomas, Bridges would be Rinehart's primary backup.

Guard/center Will Montgomery

Again, it's all about versatility. Montgomery has played in 13 games, including six starts at guard. He has impressed coaches while working at center in training camp and the preseason, and provides depth behind starting center Casey Rabach. Former starting left guard Pete Kendall served as Rabach's backup last season, but none of this season's starters are adept at playing center, too. That's good news for Montgomery, who seized his opportunity early in camp.

 

[DCThunder]

How come Ethan Albright, the long snapper can't be the back-up center? Just curious...

 

[T Bell]

How come Ethan Albright, the long snapper can't be the back-up center? Just curious...

Long snapper is about as specialized as the P or PK. They're there to make sure the snaps are on target every time, and that's something that's considered so important that they don't bother getting guys who can really block. In other words, Albright would suck out loud as a C.

 

[Sidewinder16]

'Skins cut their first 5 yesterday:

Offensive lineman Devin Clark, defensive tackle Michael Marquardt, wide receiver Marques Hagans, linebacker Alfred Fincher and safety Michael Grant are former Redskins.

A bit surprised that Fincher was cut, but it's not like he had a lock on making the 53.

I was a little bit surprised as well. I'm hoping this means Robert Thomas and/or one of the rookies (Henson, Glenn) has really impressed the coaches, though.

 

[Bizkiteer]

'Skins cut their first 5 yesterday:

Offensive lineman Devin Clark, defensive tackle Michael Marquardt, wide receiver Marques Hagans, linebacker Alfred Fincher and safety Michael Grant are former Redskins.

A bit surprised that Fincher was cut, but it's not like he had a lock on making the 53.

I was a little bit surprised as well. I'm hoping this means Robert Thomas and/or one of the rookies (Henson, Glenn) has really impressed the coaches, though.

I do remember the early reports saying that what the 'Skins liked about Robery Thomas was that he could play all three LB spots. Maybe that has something to do with it.

 

[fatness]

Does anyone besides me think they'll keep Mike Williams no matter how bad he is, just to be 'right' about their reclamation project? He's done nothing, unless you count losing weight. Then he's done a ton.

 

[Sidewinder16]

'Skins cut their first 5 yesterday:

Offensive lineman Devin Clark, defensive tackle Michael Marquardt, wide receiver Marques Hagans, linebacker Alfred Fincher and safety Michael Grant are former Redskins.

A bit surprised that Fincher was cut, but it's not like he had a lock on making the 53.

I was a little bit surprised as well. I'm hoping this means Robert Thomas and/or one of the rookies (Henson, Glenn) has really impressed the coaches, though.

I do remember the early reports saying that what the 'Skins liked about Robery Thomas was that he could play all three LB spots. Maybe that has something to do with it.

Good point. That does sound familiar now.

 

[Sidewinder16]

Does anyone besides me think they'll keep Mike Williams no matter how bad he is, just to be 'right' about their reclamation project? He's done nothing, unless you count losing weight. Then he's done a ton.

I think they'll at least give him more time before cutting their losses. They've invested some time and effort into him and he's been nicked and dinged most of the preseason. I don't think anyone really has had a chance to evaluate him in a situation that would accurately indicate whether he can play in the NFL again, or not.

 

[fatness]

Does anyone besides me think they'll keep Mike Williams no matter how bad he is, just to be 'right' about their reclamation project? He's done nothing, unless you count losing weight. Then he's done a ton.

I think they'll at least give him more time before cutting their losses. They've invested some time and effort into him and he's been nicked and dinged most of the preseason. I don't think anyone really has had a chance to evaluate him in a situation that would accurately indicate whether he can play in the NFL again, or not.

You may be right, but in training camp people were blowing right past him regularly according to multiple reports, and then he started getting hurt.

 

[Bizkiteer]

Per J Reid:Mason's deficiencies in pass protection were among the main factors in his failure to make the roster out of the preseason in 2008. On Friday against the Patriots, Mason twice failed in blitz pick-ups. Game over.

Special team's coach Danny Smith echoed the sentiments of other coaches when he was asked another question about Mason after practice Sunday. "This is just my opinion, you guys use this as you see fit, and I love Marcus Mason," Smith said. "But Marcus Mason has never played in an NFL football game. And he's been on three teams. Let's not name him the MVP today. He's never played in an NFL football game. He's been on three teams. Okay?"

And that's that.

Rut roh Shaggy!!! Hmm...maybe it's not a lock that Mason makes it over Dorsey or Alridge as everyone thinks it is, huh?

 

[Bizkiteer]

Does anyone besides me think they'll keep Mike Williams no matter how bad he is, just to be 'right' about their reclamation project? He's done nothing, unless you count losing weight. Then he's done a ton.

I've felt that he was a lock when his weight came down. They are in love with his potential and if he can be anything from half he was coming into the league, they feel he's well worth holding onto. It would be interesting if he makes it because that will be saying a lot about the other guys performance or lack there of, that actually played and practiced.

 

[buster c]

Does anyone besides me think they'll keep Mike Williams no matter how bad he is, just to be 'right' about their reclamation project? He's done nothing, unless you count losing weight. Then he's done a ton.

I think they'll at least give him more time before cutting their losses. They've invested some time and effort into him and he's been nicked and dinged most of the preseason. I don't think anyone really has had a chance to evaluate him in a situation that would accurately indicate whether he can play in the NFL again, or not.

You may be right, but in training camp people were blowing right past him regularly according to multiple reports, and then he started getting hurt.

I'd put him on IR. he can heal up and still practice.

 

[T Bell]

Does anyone besides me think they'll keep Mike Williams no matter how bad he is, just to be 'right' about their reclamation project? He's done nothing, unless you count losing weight. Then he's done a ton.

I've felt that he was a lock when his weight came down. They are in love with his potential and if he can be anything from half he was coming into the league, they feel he's well worth holding onto. It would be interesting if he makes it because that will be saying a lot about the other guys performance or lack there of, that actually played and practiced.

There's really no "face" to lose if they cut him as he's always been considered a longshot, so I have to trust that Buges sees something he likes. Plus, it's not like we've got much depth on the OL anyway such that we need to cut some promising young OL to keep him.

 

[dgreen]

Does anyone besides me think they'll keep Mike Williams no matter how bad he is, just to be 'right' about their reclamation project? He's done nothing, unless you count losing weight. Then he's done a ton.

I've felt that he was a lock when his weight came down. They are in love with his potential and if he can be anything from half he was coming into the league, they feel he's well worth holding onto. It would be interesting if he makes it because that will be saying a lot about the other guys performance or lack there of, that actually played and practiced.

There's really no "face" to lose if they cut him as he's always been considered a longshot, so I have to trust that Buges sees something he likes. Plus, it's not like we've got much depth on the OL anyway such that we need to cut some promising young OL to keep him.

I've heard and read some odd comments regarding the Redskins and Mike Williams. The first one that always pops in my mind is dopey Andy Polin saying, "They've pinned their hopes at RT to a 400 pounder." Nobody in this organization ever said Mike Williams was coming here to be plugged in week 1. They took a flyer on a former high pick. It's no big deal. We all knew he was a long shot to be the RT, despite the team being weak at RT. This isn't Archuletta or even TJ Duckett.I think the media has made more out of this than the team. If it works out, great. If it doesn't, not a big hit to the organization and its future.