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***Official*** 2009 Washington Redskins Thread (1 Viewer)

anyone see Team Cancer DeAnna Hall throw a punch at #37 in the brawl? She's such a dainty thing that Doughty was able to keep her out of harms way with one arm while the men sorted things out, then, as the scrum ended, Hall broke free and took a very feminine backhand (missed) to Reed's head.

I hate #23

 
At least one person was inspired by the Redskins' performance against the Giants tonight.

Gruden says he won't be joining the Redskins

With Jon Gruden's former lieutenant in Oakland and Tampa, Bruce Allen, the new General Manager of the Redskins, Gruden's name has emerged as a potential candidate to coach the team, if the attempt to land Mike Shanahan falls through.

"I'm not coaching," Gruden said. "I'm gonna stay with the team I'm on. The only team I'm gonna coach is my 13-year-old son's flag football team."
 
Watching Zorn's PC... just said swinging gate did not work because of "good defense" and thought "unique" enough would still work after timeout and impressed they smoked it out.

Makes me wonder what Zorn is smoking...

 
After all the talk of how well Zorn has kept the Redskins playing hard, they laid one enormus egg. No effort at all. I had to watch the whole game since I needed a lot of points from Jacobs and Nicks to win my championship. Obviously, I did not get it.

My thoughts on the game:

1. The Redskins were just not ready to play this game.

2. As the game wore on, they were shuffling players in an out throughout.

3. After Devin Thomas ran backwards 10 yards on a kickoff return, I don't think he saw the field again. There was no report an injury. Rock handled the kickoffs after that. Malcolm Kelley played the whole 2nd half (with 0 catches).

4. Rock and Mason both got touches at running back. No one looked great. Looks like Ganther's hold on the starting job could be in jeopardy.

5. Moss handled all the punt returns. Pretty telling where the pressure to keep Randle El at PR was coming from. Still can't tell if it was Cerrato or Snyder, but maybe the upper management interference will stop.

6. Heyer was out of the game sometime in the 2nd quarter. No word on if he injured, re-aggravated his old injury, or was just benched.

7. Levi Jones clearly had a very bad day. Also lots of plays where Giant pass rushers got through untouched. Obviously some bad communication on the OL.

8. The fake field goal looked like the worst designed play I have ever seen. If you all missed it, since a lot of you stopped watching, the field goal unit shifts so all the linemen are lined up on the left side of the field outside the numbers. You have the center over the ball, and holder, and kicker in the center of the field Hunter Smith stands up, signals for the kicker to go in motion. The Giants line up with 3 people over the center. They snap the ball and three linemen are instantly on top of Smith. He heaves the ball to the left side of the field while being tackled. I guess there should be some recievers over there, but there are six Giants waiting for the ball to come down. Meanwhile, you can see 4 OL standing at the line of scrimmage, just starting to run down the field. They are inelligible recievers and cannot go until the ball is thrown. And of course, they had no one to block out there. A completely ill-concieved play.

9. I think it is incredibly difficult to evaluate Campbell's play when the OL play was so poor.

 
I think it is time to clean house and start anew. Plus, if you keep veterans like Portis, Samuels, and Thomas around, its for a maximum on 1 year. If they help that much, then keep them around. Otherwise, start the rebuilding process without them.
I don't see any particular advantage to a wholesale housecleaning. The best way to do it is on a case by case basis, based on what improvement is possible by replacing someone and what that improvement would cost. Samuels and Thomas are done. I don't believe Samuels will risk his health to continue his career, and I don't think any responsible front office would sign Thomas unless it's for the vet minimum as 3rd string backup. He gets hurt too quick, I wouldn't sign him at all. I think Portis needs to reduce his salary to stay on the team, but is definitely worth taking a look at with a new line and a new running/blocking scheme in place.
I think in terms of performance, the hardest veterans to replace, in orders, are Fletcher, Campbell, Moss, Randle El. Haynesworth and Hall rate to be here next year because they just signed huge contracts. I believe Rogers will be a free agent and will be a difficult choice on whether to keep him or let him go. Samuels is hard to replace too, but I don't see him coming back.Most of Portis' salary next year is guaranteed. So but cutting him, it is either addition by subtraction or just the value of opening up his roster spot for a younger player.
 
Man. That was ugly. The play call at the end of the first half and putting Campbell back in sealed it for me. Zorn will be fired early this week. No matter who takes over in the last 2 games, the entire coaching staff will be cleaned out end of season.

The problem is how to clean out the players. I might cut Moss now just to make a point. Showboating when down 24 :unsure:

This offseason will be rough. I probably accept that Portis, Hall, and Haynesworth have to stay given cap issues. Make RB a multi headed position with Portis and two other pass catching backs (this is one thing Shanny could do well). I start rebuilding my OL in the draft, hopefully by getting picks by trading out of the high round 1 pick (which won't be easy to manuever, but with Allen I think other GMs may be more willing to play along).

Campbell is a tough one. I'm sure he wants out of here, which probably moots the point anyway. The fact is that he just cannot see the field and progress through his reads fast enough, even when given time. So I just let him do whatever in FA and look for a replacement QB. I'd actually be willing to stick with Collins for 1 year while rebuilding. Then get the QB in a better FA year or when I have more draft picks.

On Defense, the scheme just has to be more agressive given the Offense will suck for another 2-3 years of rebuilding. We need sacks, interceptions, and pressure. Letting the other team go on >10 play drives has happened all year, as have big plays. There's a passion for stopping other team that is missing in a lot of those players, and we need a real snarly defensive coordinator to bring some nastinest to this unit. I think the talent is there, but the execution and attitude are not.

 
5. Moss handled all the punt returns. Pretty telling where the pressure to keep Randle El at PR was coming from. Still can't tell if it was Cerrato or Snyder, but maybe the upper management interference will stop.
Snyder's still here, Cerrato's not, and that makes it pretty obvious.
6. Heyer was out of the game sometime in the 2nd quarter. No word on if he injured, re-aggravated his old injury, or was just benched. 7. Levi Jones clearly had a very bad day. Also lots of plays where Giant pass rushers got through untouched. Obviously some bad communication on the OL.
I only watched the first half, but there were O-linemen whiffing on almost every play. It doesn't matter who's in there, they're a bunch of weebles. Jones, Heyer, Robinson, Williams would not even be playing for another team.
9. I think it is incredibly difficult to evaluate Campbell's play when the OL play was so poor.
I agree, but I bet Campbell will say he didn't play well. This talk of Collins as a 1-year stopgap is pretty ludicrous by the way. He can't start for any other NFL team but he's a solution here? That's an example of how far our standards for this team have been beaten down, to where people actually consider Collins and Levi Jones and Mike Williams to be possible solutions. Campbell is more valuable to the team than are all 3 of them put together. By the way, ESPN980 said that Shanahan had reportedly agreed to take the job, that he'd be head coach and team president (Gibb's role), and that Snyder had agreed to "get out". Seriously, that's what was reported. I assume they meant "get out" of personnel issues. That would leave Shanahan in Gibb's role, and Allen in Cerrato's role. Each of those is a step forward.
 
I'm worried that last night may have cost the skins more than a game. Maybe Shannahan was serious about coming to Washington. He may have seen the last few games and thought "Hey, I can work with this." Then after watching last night's train wreck, he think to himself "Wow, this isn't a team that is on the verge and just needs some good coaching to put them over the top. This team is a total train wreck and I don't feel like taking on that much of a workload."

 
I'm worried that last night may have cost the skins more than a game. Maybe Shannahan was serious about coming to Washington. He may have seen the last few games and thought "Hey, I can work with this." Then after watching last night's train wreck, he think to himself "Wow, this isn't a team that is on the verge and just needs some good coaching to put them over the top. This team is a total train wreck and I don't feel like taking on that much of a workload."
As they noted on Sportscenter, Schefter seems to think it's pretty much a done deal, and he has closer ties to Shanny than anyone in football- they cowrote a book and Schefter breaks pretty mcuh every story he's involved in.I think yesterday was a pill we all had to swallow for the benefit of the football team. The last few weeks might have started to convince a few people around the franchise that this particular team didn't need to be completely blown up, that they were playing with pride and had heart. That's a bunch of garbage. We suck, and this was a reminder of that. You don't win games by playing with pride and heart, you win games by scoring more points than the other team, and nobody affiliated with the Washington Redskins has shown an ability to do that regularly.
 
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I'm worried that last night may have cost the skins more than a game. Maybe Shannahan was serious about coming to Washington. He may have seen the last few games and thought "Hey, I can work with this." Then after watching last night's train wreck, he think to himself "Wow, this isn't a team that is on the verge and just needs some good coaching to put them over the top. This team is a total train wreck and I don't feel like taking on that much of a workload."
As they noted on Sportscenter, Schefter seems to think it's pretty much a done deal, and he has closer ties to Shanny than anyone in football- they cowrote a book and Schefter breaks pretty mcuh every story he's involved in.I think yesterday was a pill we all had to swallow for the benefit of the football team. The last few weeks might have started to convince a few people around the franchise that this particular team didn't need to be completely blown up, that they were playing with pride and had heart. That's a bunch of garbage. We suck, and this was a reminder of that. You don't win games by playing with pride and heart, you win games by scoring more points than the other team, and nobody affiliated with the Washington Redskins has shown an ability to do that regularly.
The report from the radio was being posted as I was typing, so didn't see it before I hit post. That makes me feel a little better. But I wonder if Shanny watched that game last night and thought "WTF did I get myself in to???" Wonder if he made it THROUGH the game. Or if he bailed on it like the rest of us.
 
I'm worried that last night may have cost the skins more than a game. Maybe Shannahan was serious about coming to Washington. He may have seen the last few games and thought "Hey, I can work with this." Then after watching last night's train wreck, he think to himself "Wow, this isn't a team that is on the verge and just needs some good coaching to put them over the top. This team is a total train wreck and I don't feel like taking on that much of a workload."
As they noted on Sportscenter, Schefter seems to think it's pretty much a done deal, and he has closer ties to Shanny than anyone in football- they cowrote a book and Schefter breaks pretty mcuh every story he's involved in.I think yesterday was a pill we all had to swallow for the benefit of the football team. The last few weeks might have started to convince a few people around the franchise that this particular team didn't need to be completely blown up, that they were playing with pride and had heart. That's a bunch of garbage. We suck, and this was a reminder of that. You don't win games by playing with pride and heart, you win games by scoring more points than the other team, and nobody affiliated with the Washington Redskins has shown an ability to do that regularly.
The report from the radio was being posted as I was typing, so didn't see it before I hit post. That makes me feel a little better. But I wonder if Shanny watched that game last night and thought "WTF did I get myself in to???" Wonder if he made it THROUGH the game. Or if he bailed on it like the rest of us.
On Sportscenter, Schefter seemed to be saying that he preferred D.C. to Dallas because at least Snyder was saying he'd be hands-off, whereas JJ doesn't even bother with that charade. Here's hoping Snyder doesn't show his true colors until Shanny is on board. Well, hopefully he'll be true to his word and not meddle even after Shanny is on board- we can all dream, right?I don't think last night will scare him off. Especially if next year is uncapped. I would guess that he'd love to have the freedom to blow the whole thing up and build a team to his liking from scratch with Allen.
 
With all the talk about how, through all the turmoil, Zorn hasn't lost the Team, and how much the Players like him, one could argue that the lackluster effort on display last night was a cleverly disguised attempt by the Players to save Zorn's job...

Theoretical Anonymous Player: 'No way Shanahan gonna wanna come here after he sees THIS!'

 
I'm worried that last night may have cost the skins more than a game. Maybe Shannahan was serious about coming to Washington. He may have seen the last few games and thought "Hey, I can work with this." Then after watching last night's train wreck, he think to himself "Wow, this isn't a team that is on the verge and just needs some good coaching to put them over the top. This team is a total train wreck and I don't feel like taking on that much of a workload."
:unsure:This is a guy who thought he could reform Maurice Clarett so much he used a first day draft pick on him. Hubris is his middle name. He won't be "scared away."
 
If anything, it takes a little bit of pressure off Shanny. He just needs to win 8 games next year and he'll be hailed an immediate success.
I think the bar has been set pretty low. I think the Redskins just need to resemble a professional football team in Shanny's first year to get lots of accolades. With the Redskins playing better lately, there were even posts in this thread that people thought Zorn should be given a 3rd year.
 
Anxiously awaiting John Keim's Studs and Duds article. Fred Davis and London Fletcher are the only two I can think of being on the Studs list. DeAngelo had some nice plays while in man coverage, but the D as a whole was horrible in zone.

 
Please add some items to this list of everything that's happened with this team this year. I'm sure I've missed a few things.

Tried to get Cutler.
Tried to trade up for Sanchez.
Drafted Orakpo. Obviously a good move, but remember how they didn't use any of their allotted time and Cerrato was bragging about how fast they picked?
Sued season ticket holders and took a major PR hit.
Booed after a win vs. St. Louis. Players didn't respond too well and were obviously distracted during the following week.
Lost to Detroit. Is this when Sellers blamed the media?
Blache stopped speaking to the media.
Sherm Lewis is brought in as a consultant.
Zorn's playcalling duties were stripped and given to Lewis who had been there about 2 weeks. And, this was in a press release, right?
Holmgren and Largent defend Zorn and accuse the Redskins of trying to get Zorn to quit.
Cerrato finally makes himself available to the media and says he thinks he provided Zorn with a playoff roster.
Somewhere in here, Snyder apologizes to fans when questioned at a charity event.
Banned signs at Fed Ex Field and took another major PR hit.
Banned news outlets from interviewing fans in the parking lots.
Trying to improve their PR nightmare, created an email survey for season ticket holders. And, they are apparently even calling some season ticket holders just to say thanks!
Despite "playing better" for a few weeks, they continue to lose, partly because of missed FGs. So, they cut their K and sign a K who reportedly didn't perform the best in the tryouts and whose agent was a groomsman in Cerrato's wedding.
Cerrato "resigns".
Bruce Allen is hired.
We finally experience the blowout we've all been expecting.
 
Please add some items to this list of everything that's happened with this team this year. I'm sure I've missed a few things.

Tried to get Cutler.
Tried to trade up for Sanchez.
Drafted Orakpo. Obviously a good move, but remember how they didn't use any of their allotted time and Cerrato was bragging about how fast they picked?
Sued season ticket holders and took a major PR hit.
Booed after a win vs. St. Louis. Players didn't respond too well and were obviously distracted during the following week.
Lost to Detroit. Is this when Sellers blamed the media?
Blache stopped speaking to the media.
Sherm Lewis is brought in as a consultant.
Zorn's playcalling duties were stripped and given to Lewis who had been there about 2 weeks. And, this was in a press release, right?
Holmgren and Largent defend Zorn and accuse the Redskins of trying to get Zorn to quit.
Cerrato finally makes himself available to the media and says he thinks he provided Zorn with a playoff roster.
Somewhere in here, Snyder apologizes to fans when questioned at a charity event.
Banned signs at Fed Ex Field and took another major PR hit.
Banned news outlets from interviewing fans in the parking lots.
Trying to improve their PR nightmare, created an email survey for season ticket holders. And, they are apparently even calling some season ticket holders just to say thanks!
Despite "playing better" for a few weeks, they continue to lose, partly because of missed FGs. So, they cut their K and sign a K who reportedly didn't perform the best in the tryouts and whose agent was a groomsman in Cerrato's wedding.
Cerrato "resigns".
Bruce Allen is hired.
We finally experience the blowout we've all been expecting.
Washington Post runs article on Redskins sueing season ticket holders. Donovan responds that the Redskins are run just like the New England Patriots. So the article states how few ticket holders the Patriots have sued compared to the Redskins.Donovan really should stop talking publicly.

 
Mike Williams was so bad last night it was unbelievable. By the time Williams had straightened up, made a half turn to the left, and gotten his arms up, the man he was supposed to block would be hitting Campbell. I'm sure he's a nice man and all, but he belongs in a tar pit.

 
Mike Williams was so bad last night it was unbelievable. By the time Williams had straightened up, made a half turn to the left, and gotten his arms up, the man he was supposed to block would be hitting Campbell. I'm sure he's a nice man and all, but he belongs in a tar pit.
:hey:
 
Rick Maese

Multiple sources say that secondary coach Jerry Gray has interviewed to be the Redskins' head coach, even though his boss, Jim Zorn, still has two more games remaining in the season and is under contract for 2010 as well. Following Monday's loss, Gray refused to confirm or deny the reports, saying: "No questions about that. No head coach questions. None. Zero. You want to talk about the Cowboys?"
That leaves former Denver coach Mike Shanahan, long considered to be the preference of Redskins owner Daniel Snyder, and now Gray, who has emerged as the only likely candidate from the current coaching staff.

Over the weekend, as news emerged that Gray had interviewed for the position, friction quickly arose within the team's coaching ranks, according to team officials with knowledge of the situation.
So the coaches were feuding leading up to the Giants game.I forget who said it on the radio today, but what he said was that it looked like the coaching staff quit during the Giants game.

 
The Redskins, held together by the bailing wire of a doomed coaching staff and the pride of a handful of stubborn veterans, finally fell apart before a national TV audience at the hand of an old rival.

"This is the worst game of my career. We got beaten in every phase of football," said quarterback Jason Campbell, who wore a big black eye symbolic of his whole team. "This was worse than [losing 52-7 to] New England because this was at home."
When Redskins owner Daniel Snyder pulled the plug on Vinny Cerrato, the executive vice president of football operations, last Thursday with three games to play in the season, he may not have understood the chain reaction he set in motion. Or at least he may not have feared it sufficiently.

When the old GM goes, that means the unsuccessful head coach that he hired is going to get canned too, as soon as the season is over. (Or on Tuesday.) That means his staff may be totally sacked, too.

Now the Redskins know that the only people on earth who can't possibly be their coaches next year are the men who are still in charge of them. What you have left are 45 men in free fall.
For the last five weeks, the Redskins, along with Coach Jim Zorn and his staff, banded together for their mutual best interests. Well, that's over.
Tom Boswell
 
Rick Maese

Multiple sources say that secondary coach Jerry Gray has interviewed to be the Redskins' head coach, even though his boss, Jim Zorn, still has two more games remaining in the season and is under contract for 2010 as well. Following Monday's loss, Gray refused to confirm or deny the reports, saying: "No questions about that. No head coach questions. None. Zero. You want to talk about the Cowboys?"
That leaves former Denver coach Mike Shanahan, long considered to be the preference of Redskins owner Daniel Snyder, and now Gray, who has emerged as the only likely candidate from the current coaching staff.

Over the weekend, as news emerged that Gray had interviewed for the position, friction quickly arose within the team's coaching ranks, according to team officials with knowledge of the situation.
So the coaches were feuding leading up to the Giants game.I forget who said it on the radio today, but what he said was that it looked like the coaching staff quit during the Giants game.
I don't know why everyone is trying to find some meaning under the covers here. It's pretty easy when you consider...1) we are a 4-9 team going into the game

2) it was cold as the north pole

3) we had a 9 minute opening drive take the wind from our sails

4) the second scoring drive took our heart right out after

Nothing more, nothing less.

 
The Giants know how to plan. The Redskins do not, or at least did not in the past. But the play of both team's offensive lines was telling. When Washington had injuries to its line, the Redskins were forced to use backups who might not make another team's roster. The Giants lost their starting right tackle but replaced him with a second-round pick, Will Beatty, who acquainted himself well. The Giants' line showed no dropoff even when they lost longtime starting left guard Rich Seubert, replacing him with Kevin Boothe, who had been on their roster since 2007. There has been a philosophical divide that must be closed. The Redskins do not have one lineman who can be considered a cornerstone for the future. Not one. It's not even worth pointing out the holes at this point.
John Keim
 
Studs

*Note: After a 33-point loss, does anyone qualify as a stud? Fred Davis had a good second half with all five of his catches for 65 yards and a touchdown. But it’s a 33-point loss. Guessing nobody disagrees.
DudsLevi Jones

Stephon Heyer

Reed Doughty

LaRon Landry

Kareem Moore

Andre Carter

Philip Daniels

Justin Tryon

Kedric Golston

Brian Orakpo

Mike Williams

Studs and Duds

 
Rick Maese

Multiple sources say that secondary coach Jerry Gray has interviewed to be the Redskins' head coach, even though his boss, Jim Zorn, still has two more games remaining in the season and is under contract for 2010 as well. Following Monday's loss, Gray refused to confirm or deny the reports, saying: "No questions about that. No head coach questions. None. Zero. You want to talk about the Cowboys?"
That leaves former Denver coach Mike Shanahan, long considered to be the preference of Redskins owner Daniel Snyder, and now Gray, who has emerged as the only likely candidate from the current coaching staff.

Over the weekend, as news emerged that Gray had interviewed for the position, friction quickly arose within the team's coaching ranks, according to team officials with knowledge of the situation.
So the coaches were feuding leading up to the Giants game.I forget who said it on the radio today, but what he said was that it looked like the coaching staff quit during the Giants game.
I thought there was an unwritten rule among coaches that you don't interview for a job when someone else already has it. Yet Shanahan has apparently talked to Snyder numerous times about being the head coach. And now Jerry Gray appears to have interviewed for his boss's job. I understand Gray's motivation, but Zorn should be pissed.
 
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I thought there was an unwritten rule among coaches that you don't interview for a job when someone else already has it. Yet Shanahan has apparently talked to Snyder numerous times about being the head coach. And now Jerry Gray appears to have interviewed for his boss's job. I understand Gray's motivation, but Zorn should be pissed.
I don't understand Gray's motivation. ...or was he interviewing for the interim HC job? Do they even do that? I just don't get it. I can't imagine him thinking he had a shot at the job this offseason.
 
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Rick Maese

Multiple sources say that secondary coach Jerry Gray has interviewed to be the Redskins' head coach, even though his boss, Jim Zorn, still has two more games remaining in the season and is under contract for 2010 as well. Following Monday's loss, Gray refused to confirm or deny the reports, saying: "No questions about that. No head coach questions. None. Zero. You want to talk about the Cowboys?"
That leaves former Denver coach Mike Shanahan, long considered to be the preference of Redskins owner Daniel Snyder, and now Gray, who has emerged as the only likely candidate from the current coaching staff.

Over the weekend, as news emerged that Gray had interviewed for the position, friction quickly arose within the team's coaching ranks, according to team officials with knowledge of the situation.
So the coaches were feuding leading up to the Giants game.I forget who said it on the radio today, but what he said was that it looked like the coaching staff quit during the Giants game.
I don't know why everyone is trying to find some meaning under the covers here. It's pretty easy when you consider...1) we are a 4-9 team going into the game

2) it was cold as the north pole

3) we had a 9 minute opening drive take the wind from our sails

4) the second scoring drive took our heart right out after

Nothing more, nothing less.
Yes, there is something more. This team wasn't prepared. I guess I can buy that the coaching staff quit during the game, but I think they didn't properly prepare during the week. I've read that news broke late last week that Gray had interviewed for the job. Players said that definitely caused a distraction for the coaches. They weren't prepared.
 

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