***Official*** 2009 Washington Redskins Thread (1 Viewer)

[dgreen]

Well, that sucked. :(Campbell never seems to attack the game. Call it the "it" factor or whatever, but I never see him get after it, and it kills me because he has all the physical gifts you could ever want in a QB. I didn't like the offensive play-calling. For example, with all that d-line pressure after the Hall INT, where was a designed roll out to help Campbell buy time? Where was the fade to Kelly in the end zone? I agree that the defense was unimpressive, though they only gave up 16 points. Deangelo Hall is one crispy critter because he gets burned a lot. Orakpo was invisible. Landry too often goes for the kill shot rather than just tackling and wrapping up - he's almost a more talented version of Roy Williams. The line only rarely generated pressure, though they stiffened on multiple occasions when they needed to. The time of possession disparity was embarrassing. They need to get off the field on third down. Anyway, that was a poor showing. I hope they improve but I'm not optimistic right now.

I believe the Cooley TD was the only pass to be thrown into the endzone. It was disappointing to have them that close to the endzone twice earlier in the game and not throw it into the endzone either time. From our couches, it's difficult to say if that's Campbell or Zorn.

 

[Bill Brasky]

I was very disappointed with what I saw from that defense. Too many missed tackles and not nearly enough pressure on the QB. Eli had all day to throw which is not something I expected with the presence of Haynesworth. I know the Giants have a solid offense and a very good line, but I expected much more out of that unit and expect them to improve on that effort.

 

[dgreen]

I was very disappointed with what I saw from that defense. Too many missed tackles and not nearly enough pressure on the QB. Eli had all day to throw which is not something I expected with the presence of Haynesworth. I know the Giants have a solid offense and a very good line, but I expected much more out of that unit and expect them to improve on that effort.

I think Haynesworth played ok. He wasn't dominant, but he wasn't a bust either. He pushed deep into the backfield many times. It was the other guys who didn't seem to take advantage of that. And, was it me or was Orakpo not used much to rush the QB?

 

[ChrisCooleyFan]

Put the kool aid down my friend.

Stop overreacting. It's one game. One game we all expected them to lose.

Its one game this year, but its the same thing on offense for the past 3 years. JC does nothing for me. Our blitz does nothing for me. We will never win untill Our Owner is gone. Or learns how to get real personel

 

[dgreen]

Put the kool aid down my friend.

Stop overreacting. It's one game. One game we all expected them to lose.

Its one game this year, but its the same thing on offense for the past 3 years. JC does nothing for me. Our blitz does nothing for me. We will never win untill Our Owner is gone. Or learns how to get real personel

What did you expect this season? What did you expect to see today? If today changed your expectations for the season, why?I agree this is most likely an 8-8 team. But, the thing with 8-8 teams is they can finish anywhere from 6-10 to 10-6. I don't think most 10-6 teams that slip into the playoffs are much better than 8-8 teams that miss the playoffs. If this team, especially the OL, stays relatively healthy, I think they can push the 10-6 mark. That was my feeling before today and nothing happened today to change that.

 

[fatness]

Things that improved since last year:

pass protection by o-line

punting

special teams play

defensive line pressure (slightly)

tackling (slightly)

Things that did not improve since last year:

lack of sustained drives

playcalling

secondary play

quarterback play

play by Thomas, Kelly, and Davis

The defense gave up 16 points to the Giants. That's a formula for a winning game. The offense did not get it done. Part of that is the inability to run. Part of that is Campbell passing inaccurately enough to kill drives. Part of that is Zorn's playcalling.

 

[ChrisCooleyFan]

Id really like to change to a 3-4 def

 

[thayman]

Put the kool aid down my friend.

Stop overreacting. It's one game. One game we all expected them to lose.

Its one game this year, but its the same thing on offense for the past 3 years. JC does nothing for me. Our blitz does nothing for me. We will never win untill Our Owner is gone. Or learns how to get real personel

Last I checked the owner isn't on the field calling or making plays.

 

[ChrisCooleyFan]

Put the kool aid down my friend.

Stop overreacting. It's one game. One game we all expected them to lose.

Its one game this year, but its the same thing on offense for the past 3 years. JC does nothing for me. Our blitz does nothing for me. We will never win untill Our Owner is gone. Or learns how to get real personel

Last I checked the owner isn't on the field calling or making plays.

No but he cant get a real personel either

 

[thayman]

Put the kool aid down my friend.

Stop overreacting. It's one game. One game we all expected them to lose.

Its one game this year, but its the same thing on offense for the past 3 years. JC does nothing for me. Our blitz does nothing for me. We will never win untill Our Owner is gone. Or learns how to get real personel

Last I checked the owner isn't on the field calling or making plays.

No but he cant get a real personel either

He's shown improvement over the past few years. Snyder is something some of you guys need to get over, he is quite likely going to own this team for the rest of your life.

 

[Marvelous]

My impressions of the game:

1. The OL pass protected very well.

2. Campbell looked ok to pretty good throwing the ball.

3. DL play is better

4. Although the D did not looks dominant, they did prevent a 3rd and 1 and a 4th and 1 near their goal line. And they stuffed anotehr 3rd and 1 later in the game. Those plays were very encouraging.

Now the bad news:

5. The play calling was atrocious. They were able to throw the ball, yet they kept trying to run on first down and only throw on passing downs. Doesn't that play right into the Giant's strengths?

6. Malcolm Kelley was only targeted once. Not much for a starting WR.

7. Eli Manning played very well.

8. The Giant WR were really open all day long. These aren't great receivers, so it is scary how wide open they were.

 

[TankRizzo]

UGH. That was a pretty terrible game to watch. The offense, once again inspires zero confidence. There wasn't any point in the game where I felt like we could come back and win, even with the score close there at the end, I just knew they weren't going to get the job done.

Playcalling wise you can tell Zorn still doesn't trust Campbell. When they were backed up to their goalline...running the ball 3 straight times? Campbell is still slow making his reads and on some passes his throws look like they take forever. Both Zorn and Campbell need to start playing like their jobs are on the line...BECAUSE THEY ARE. If Zorn doesn't have the confidence in Campbell, then he needs to get him out of there. If he doesn't play lights out against the Rams, I think the decision needs to be made to give him the hook. Hell, Gibbs gave Ramsey less time than this...and he wasn't even playing this bad, nor was his job on the line.

The new punter looked good though...it's nice to have someone who has nice placement rather than booting it into the endzone every time.

 

[DCThunder]

In the first half, it seemed that every time it was third and long for the Giants, they made a first down. That was NO different than last year, Hanynesowrth or no Haynesworth. That's why the TOP was so lopsided for the G-men. Without the fake FG TD before the half, we're down 17-6 and dead in the water. (At least Zorn had the guts to try that fake FG). But for all the money spent on D, they still couldn't get off the field on 3rd down. And as has been said, the three off tackle plays backed up to their own goal line didn't exactly inspire much confidence.

BTW, who were the inactives? Marko and Mason? I'd give Marko Mitchell a start against the Rams and make Kelly or Thomas inactive, since they've managed to be inactive despite being on the active roster.

And Zornie, no matter how many hours you put in at Redskins Park or how many devotional sermons you listen to, you are gone unless you open up the game. you need to go down with guns blazing, because you're going down nonetheless.

 

[dgreen]

Campbell is still slow making his reads...

I disagree. He's generally not staring down one receiver for very long. You can see his head going from one target to another. Now, it's certainly possible he's moving to another target when he should be making a throw, but I don't think we can tell that from watching on TV. I really don't get the Campbell bashing today. Granted, his mistakes were extremely costly, but I don't think he made a ton of mistakes.I think this was a simple case of losing to a better team. And, I'll point out that I think they appeared closer to the Giants' level today than they did during their two games last year.

 

[dgreen]

BTW, who were the inactives? Marko and Mason?

Marko played.

 

[fatness]

No but he cant get a real personel either

I think you mean "get some real personnels". :(

 

[fatness]

Zorn's playcalling was timid. Campbell threw almost entirely to established veterans.

Hmmmmm.................

 

[Sidewinder16]

Things that improved since last year:

pass protection by o-line

punting

special teams play

defensive line pressure (slightly)

tackling (slightly)

Things that did not improve since last year:

lack of sustained drives

playcalling

secondary play

quarterback play

play by Thomas, Kelly, and Davis

The defense gave up 16 points to the Giants. That's a formula for a winning game. The offense did not get it done. Part of that is the inability to run. Part of that is Campbell passing inaccurately enough to kill drives. Part of that is Zorn's playcalling.

:( Honestly, I thought the D did pretty well, and expect them to "grow into themselves" as they get used to how exactly Haynesworth can affect a game (I thought Haynesworth earned his game check today). They didn't get any help from the offense in staying off the field and, just like last year, they wore out and ended up giving up long drives late in the game. Just one more long drive from the O and this could have been a completely different outcome.

From where I sat, play execution was more to blame for the offensive woes than playcalling.

 

[Sidewinder16]

BTW, who were the inactives? Marko and Mason?

Marko played.

Inactives:RB 24 M.Mason, CB 25 K.Barnes, C/G 50 E.Williams, LB 51 R.Henson, G 75 C.Rinehart, T/G 78 D.Batiste, DT 94 A.Montgomery, DE 97 R.Wynn

 

[Maroney=Sped]

There were more positives than were obvious while watching. For example, we just watched Antwaan Randle El's most effective game as a receiver for the Redskins. I've been saying for two years that he could/should be our Welker, and that was precisely what he was today. He was a headache for the Giants all day. He should consistently be catching passes in the 7-15 yard range and converting first downs.

I thought Rocky McIntosh stuck his nose into a lot of plays and was hitting hard all game long.

The Giants were clearly throwing away from Rogers, and the one time he was targeted that I recall he had a solid, forceful breakup of the pass.

Cooley's hands were perfect and he caught a lot of important passes.

Special teams were surprisingly good all around, though I'd have liked to see a big return by somebody, somewhere.

I agree that the Giants pass rush wasn't as good as I figured it would be, though it certainly had an impact.

Campbell is a good thrower of the football. When he steps into a throw he's excellent hitting those important medium range passes that move the chains. I actually felt that Zorn needed to have him throw more in this game, and failing to do that meant that through 1+ quarters he had only 1 attempt. You can't establish a rhythm that way.

 

[Sidewinder16]

Zorn's playcalling was timid. Campbell threw almost entirely to established veterans.Hmmmmm.................

Gotta go with dgreen's thoughts and ask, what did you expect? Did anyone really expect Kelly to come in and lead the team in receiving in week 1? Did you expect that Moss and Cooley would not be amongst the first 2 reads on any given play?The Giants game planned taking Moss out of the passing game and Campbell was forced to extra reads and check downs. ARE performed admirably in his new slot position, crossing over the middle and finding holes in the middle of the field. Had he still been split wide as the #2 WR I don't think he gets open nearly as much as he did today. IMO, that was the Kelly/Thomas effect in this game and it kept the 'Skins in it.

 

[Maroney=Sped]

Zorn's playcalling was timid. Campbell threw almost entirely to established veterans.

Hmmmmm.................

Gotta go with dgreen's thoughts and ask, what did you expect? Did anyone really expect Kelly to come in and lead the team in receiving in week 1? Did you expect that Moss and Cooley would not be amongst the first 2 reads on any given play?The Giants game planned taking Moss out of the passing game and Campbell was forced to extra reads and check downs. ARE performed admirably in his new slot position, crossing over the middle and finding holes in the middle of the field. Had he still been split wide as the #2 WR I don't think he gets open nearly as much as he did today. IMO, that was the Kelly/Thomas effect in this game and it kept the 'Skins in it.

I was thinking the same thing. As absurd as it sounds, Kelly's impact on the game was to ensure that ARE had mismatches all day inside in the slot. Kelly still should have been targeted in the red zone at least once, but I agree.

 

[ChrisCooleyFan]

J. Cutler 13/29 226 1 3

 

[Sidewinder16]

Cooley's hands were perfect and he caught a lot of important passes.

I agree with the second half of the statement, but what was with the poor ball protection. A fumble and a near fumble in one game is unlike Cooley.

 

[fatness]

Honestly, this is a game the Redskins were "supposed" to lose, and most of us thought they would until the last uptick in unfounded optimism that comes from being only days away from another NFL season starting.

Compare this game to opening week last year, and today was clearly better. The Giants are a better team than the Redskins, who only lost by 6. Considering everything the Redskins did wrong today, this isn't a reason for massive disappointment.

The next test comes when we see if they can beat teams they "should" beat. If they can do that the first half of the season shouldn't be too shabby, and it may be justified to aspire higher.

 

[buster c]

We now have the option of using 3 WR sets or 2 TE sets to create mismatches. I think this passing offense will finally start to look strong. It's up to the line to allow that to happen now.

Not sure what type of attack they should start with Sunday. Establish the run until you get a feel for how the OL will hold up? Start with quick passes, screens, and misdirection to counter their DL and slow them down a bit? Rely on the starting line to give Jason some time and go deep early?

The Giants added Rocky Benard & Chris Canty to their already great starting DL (backups could be starters on other teams), so they are going to have fresh bodies rotate there. Not sure how tired they will get if we run it often on them, but if we get caught passing too much and having their DL t-off on our OL, we could get in trouble. As always, I think out running game will set up our passing game. Actually throwing the ball down field should keep other D's more honest though...hopefully.

The Giants' weakness is its secondary, especially with two CB's fighting injury. I think you attack them and pass to set up the run . . . which is precisely what the traditional WCO philosophy is anyway. I also think that you alternate between 2 TE and 3 WR sets as needed. Use designed roll outs, shotgun and play-action to slow down the rush. Portis should do as much blocking and blitz pick-up as rushing in this game.

this is exactly what has to happen. NY has the best DL in the division and will abuse our OL if we try to establish a running game. Fact. our only chance is to come out throwing, then throw some more. if we have success in the passing game and the game is close, that's when you mix in the run.

brilliant analysis. here's the Portis line, after his 1st run:

15 carries for 28 yards.

yet, we'll not be playing against the best DL in the league every week, so the running game can still work. the goat horns go to Zorn trying to force it when it was clear to all that it wasn't going to happen today.

Zorn's play calling was sub-par (especially right after the Hall INT, when, down 10, an endzone shot is required).

#17 shows just enough natural raw skill to get some people all juiced up (eg - the Cooley TD pass), but anyone who has seen top-notch QB play knows that he'll never get there. I thought the Aikman analysis was on target, especially on the play where he fumbled away 6 pts.

yet we were an onside kick recovery away from having the ball with a chance to win the game.

and we beat the spread.

 

[ChrisCooleyFan]

Sun, Sep 20 St. Louis Rams vs St. Louis (0-1)

Sun, Sep 27 Detroit Lions @ Detroit (0-1)

Sun, Oct 4 Tampa Bay Buccaneers vs Tampa Bay (0-1)

Sun, Oct 11 Carolina Panthers @ Carolina (0-1)

Sun, Oct 18 Kansas City Chiefs vs Kansas City (0-1)

Mon, Oct 26 Philadelphia Eagles vs Philadelphia (1-0)

We need to be 5 and 2 after these games and no less then 4 and 3 or Zorn's seat has to be hot

 

[Sidewinder16]

It's already been mentioned, but just want to echo my disappointment in Landry today. Horrible tackling and the late hit on Jacobs was stupid. I'm hoping the "revenge on Jacobs" emotion was to blame and he settles down and plays good football next week.

One other thing that just now jumped out at me hard from the gamebook, but Portis had 16 carries AND ONLY 1 WENT RIGHT. And that one was his last carry, near the end of the 3rd (their last "true" running play). Either the coaches (erroneously) thought there was something there they could exploit, or there are still some serious run blocking issues on the right side of the line. Either way, that's a disturbing trend.

 

[ChrisCooleyFan]

CP/AT YDS TD INT

J. Cutler 17/35 277 1 4

 

[buster c]

CBS

Redskins' flat offense needs boost ... desperately

EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- For Jim Zorn's sake, this season better not be déjà vu all over again. Otherwise, he can start looking for another job.

The Washington Redskins' head coach began this season as he began the last, falling behind early in the opener to lose to the New York Giants. Of course, he rallied in 2008, winning six of his next seven games, and he better rally again because there are plenty of qualified replacements out there waiting to be called. I can think of two in particular, Mike Shanahan and Mike Holmgren, and if Zorn is to keep them on the sidelines he better open up his offense more than he did in Sunday's 23-17 loss.

I don't care that the Redskins lost; what bothers me is how they lost, which is just how they lost a year ago -- by doing next to nothing on offense. Zorn is an offensive head coach, and when he was hired he was supposed to invigorate quarterback Jason Campbell and his teammates. But that didn't happen much of last season, and it didn't happen Sunday. In fact, the Redskins' offense scored as many touchdowns for the Giants (one) as it did for itself and was too inconsistent, too safe and too unproductive when it mattered.

Listen to this: It took Washington's offense over 58 minutes to produce its lone touchdown. The team's most memorable run was by a punter, not star back Clinton Portis. It coughed up an interception. It coughed up a fumble. Its best receiver had a whopping 6 yards in catches, it burned timeouts when guys were lined up wrong and it made too many stupid mistakes -- like having wide receiver Antwaan Randle El try an option pass on Washington's second offensive snap, or one play after Portis shredded the Giants for a 34-yard run.

Result: Randle El was sacked for an 11-yard loss, and the drive stopped.

"We just have to be stronger," Campbell said. "We have to make more big plays."

No kidding. Afterward, Zorn pointed to the first quarter when Washington had four offensive plays, saying it was difficult to get anything going with so few opportunities. OK, I get that. But the Redskins were down by a field goal at the end of the period. One lousy field goal. Where they screwed up were in the possessions that followed. The second was four-and-out; the third was four-and-an-interception; and the fourth featured a critical mistake by Campbell, who absolutely, positively must produce this season or he can join Zorn looking for work.

Campbell was hit by an onrushing Osi Umenyiora, who forced the quarterback to fumble, scooped up the ball and returned it for a touchdown and a 17-0 lead. Sound familiar? A year ago the Giants jumped to a 16-0 lead in the season opener en route to a 16-7 victory.

"Oddly enough, it feels like exactly the same game," tight end Chris Cooley said. "We're in a two-minute drill at the end of the game trying to catch up. We gave ourselves a shot, though. That was the big difference. Just too little too late."

Well, they better get something going and fast. Owner Daniel Snyder is not going to sit around with his hands in his pockets, waiting for Zorn's offense to come together again. If there was a criticism of Zorn in his first season, it wasn't the 8-8 finish as much as it was the offensive fizzle -- with Washington averaging 12.5 points per game during the second half of the season, including a four-week run where it did not score more than 13 points in any contest.

Zorn can complain about lack of opportunities against New York, but the Redskins beat themselves. Granted, they were up against one of the league's top teams and top defenses, but they made it easy for the Giants by committing too many early mistakes -- just as they did a year ago -- and not producing enough big plays. On an afternoon when the Giants were without cornerbacks Aaron Ross and Kevin Dockery, the Redskins weren't able to get wide receiver Santana Moss involved -- he had two catches -- and scored their only first-half points when punter Hunter Smith ran a fake field goal in for a touchdown.

Worse, when they had a chance to tighten the game in the second half, following a DeAngelo Hall interception, they moved the ball exactly two yards to the New York 9 before settling for a field goal. I think you get the idea: They just weren't any good on one side of the ball. "Settling for a field goal is not good," Zorn said. "We were in the game the whole way. I was beside myself, especially early, not being able to move the ball."

He should have been. Washington cannot and will not survive in the NFC East if it doesn't play more efficiently and more effectively on offense. When the Giants took away Moss by double-covering him, Washington did the right thing by throwing over the middle, with Cooley and Randle El the targets. But they didn't sustain drives, and, more important, they didn't produce much of anything until it was too late -- with Campbell driving them the length of the field in a no-huddle, two-minute offense at the end.

You can talk about the Giants' overwhelming time of possession, but the Redskins' defense allowed exactly 16 points, and that's not bad. In fact, it should be enough to beat most teams, provided, of course, you can find the end zone without a Sherpa. For the moment, Washington cannot, but never fear. It's too soon to panic.

It is not, however, too soon to demand more of Zorn's offense. I don't care what he does -- run more no huddle, get Portis more than 17 touches, take chances downfield when they're there. Something. Anything. Washington must perk up on offense, or Zorn can ship out ... and the clock is ticking.

"I can tell you," said Zorn, "that we have a very good football team."

Well, then, let's see it. He can talk about how proud he was that his team didn't quit and that it fought to the end, but as Moss accurately pointed out that's what they're paid to do. As he put it, "I take it for what it is: We got beat. We weren't the better team." I'd say that's an accurate assessment.

And I'd say there is hope around the corner for Zorn and his team, arriving in a schedule that could save them from an early fade: They have the Rams next week; then Detroit; then Tampa Bay. Put them together and what do you have? Three teams that all lost Sunday and by a combined score of 107-48. Can you say, 3-1?

"I'm not discouraged at all," Campbell said. "We lost the game, but at the end of the day we know we're a better team. We've just got to bounce back next week and play harder and play better.

"Who knows? Eli [Manning] was saying to me that in 2007 they had a tough first one, and the next thing you know they went on a winning streak and won the Super Bowl. So you can't get down after one game."

No, but you can improve. The Redskins must.

 

[Bizkiteer]

Our defense might have only given up 16 points, but that is no measure on how well they performed. We were awful!!!! NYG consistently hadd 3rd and long, but we could NEVER stop them. The only time we stopped them is when they had 3rd and short situations. NYG's time of possesion was absolutely crazy, at one the had the ball 6x longer than us...we will not win too many games if that keeps up. Defense couldn't get off the field and offense couldn't stay on it that = SAME OL SAME OLD!

I've mentioned the offensive play calling before, but I'm also going to throw Blache in there too. I don't care if we were the #4 last year, we just never seem to get off the field. We never seem to impose outselves on the otehr team and it almost looks like the scheme is just hoping for the opposing offense to make a mistake rather than creating a situation that forces them to make a mistake. It was painful to watch the Giants hold on to the ball and drive it down our throats. For God's sake, they only have S. Smith, Dixon, some rookie WR, Manningham and Boss. The is the weakest receiving corps that we will probably see, but we made them look great.

The offensive play calling is what it is...we've seen enough of it to now realize that we shouldn't expect much different. Again, when we score it feels like we got lucky and won the lottery. It shouldn't feel that way as it would be nice to impose ourselves on other teams, but that doesn't appear to be likely.

Also, our OL did not play well. A few people said it improved, but I don't see. NYG stuffed the run, other than CP's first run. NYG pressured JC all day and even several players went untouched on several of their blitzes. So, I really don't understand how anyone can say it was better.

We will never be able to see how much our 2nd rounders can help, if the play calling stands as is or if JC can't get through more than 1-2 reads on a play. I could go on, but just like the team's play...it would be more of the same ol same old.

 

[fatness]

here's the Portis line, after his 1st run: 15 carries for 28 yards.yet, we'll not be playing against the best DL in the league every week, so the running game can still work. the goat horns go to Zorn trying to force it when it was clear to all that it wasn't going to happen today. Zorn's play calling was sub-par (especially right after the Hall INT, when, down 10, an endzone shot is required).

DEATH TO MOMENTUM!STAY MEDIUM!

 

[dgreen]

The Giants were clearly throwing away from Rogers, and the one time he was targeted that I recall he had a solid, forceful breakup of the pass.

We used to call those "dropped interceptions," but with Rogers they are "forceful breakups."

 

[dgreen]

From where I sat, play execution was more to blame for the offensive woes than playcalling.

My complaint with playcalling is:1) Predictable runs on early downs leaving the team with too many 3rd downs. (And, as you point out, apparently they were pretty much all to the left.)2) The Devin Thomas end around was stupid. At that point in the game, they had shown they can protect Campbell and had found out they could have success in the middle of the field. They should have used what was working at that point rather than try to find something new to work.3) Their couple trips inside the 10 resulted in 0 balls being thrown into the endzone. After the INT, they should thrown AT LEAST one pass into the endzone on an early down. They waited until third down to run routes into the endzone and NY was able to generate quick pressure on that play.4) Not enough deep shots. Of course, it's hard to tell if that was playcalling or execution. But, it seems to me that Campbell will let it go deep if he's told to let it go deep.

 

[dgreen]

It's already been mentioned, but just want to echo my disappointment in Landry today. Horrible tackling and the late hit on Jacobs was stupid. I'm hoping the "revenge on Jacobs" emotion was to blame and he settles down and plays good football next week.

Landry definitely had some bad plays, but he did make one huge play. Hall has said he was out of position on his INT; that was all Landry.My biggest disappointment was with Moss. Every replay they showed of Moss running a route looked very lazy to me. He looked to run a lot of curved/round routes rather than making moves and cuts. For all we know, that's how they were designed, but I doubt it. And, he was lazy on the INT. He needs to come back hard on that route and then fight off the DB.

One other thing that just now jumped out at me hard from the gamebook, but Portis had 16 carries AND ONLY 1 WENT RIGHT. And that one was his last carry, near the end of the 3rd (their last "true" running play). Either the coaches (erroneously) thought there was something there they could exploit, or there are still some serious run blocking issues on the right side of the line. Either way, that's a disturbing trend.

Well, based on Heyer ignoring Tuck on that play, I say keep running left. I didn't realize Portis had 0 touches in the fourth quarter. That's ridiculous.

 

[dgreen]

Also, our OL did not play well. A few people said it improved, but I don't see. NYG stuffed the run, other than CP's first run. NYG pressured JC all day and even several players went untouched on several of their blitzes. So, I really don't understand how anyone can say it was better.

I thought they were very good in pass protection. Campbell enjoyed a nice pocket pretty much all day. That's why he was able to complete 73% of his passes for 8.1 yards per attempt.It appears the run blocking was very predictable (all but one run to the left). I'm not sure many OLs could produce many holes against a defense of NY's caliber when they seem to know exactly where the run is going. That being said, we might have all made a poor assumption by just assuming the running game would continue to be just as good as previous seasons.

 

[Sidewinder16]

And, he was lazy on the INT. He needs to come back hard on that route and then fight off the DB.

In defense of Moss, in this instance, I think he was totally caught off guard by Campbell throwing the ball 3 yards past the LOS. I think Moss saw him cross the LOS and fully believed Campbell was just going to make a bee line for the sideline, which is why he let up.IMO, that INT is completely on Campbell. I was completely shuked as to what Campbell was thinking there.

 

[Bizkiteer]

And, he was lazy on the INT. He needs to come back hard on that route and then fight off the DB.

In defense of Moss, in this instance, I think he was totally caught off guard by Campbell throwing the ball 3 yards past the LOS. I think Moss saw him cross the LOS and fully believed Campbell was just going to make a bee line for the sideline, which is why he let up.IMO, that INT is completely on Campbell. I was completely shuked as to what Campbell was thinking there.

I'll also add that Webster bumped Moss too, which I'm really surprised that the commentators didn't mention. The other part was that Webster made one heck of a catch, looked more like a WR than a DB.

 

[Bizkiteer]

Also, our OL did not play well. A few people said it improved, but I don't see. NYG stuffed the run, other than CP's first run. NYG pressured JC all day and even several players went untouched on several of their blitzes. So, I really don't understand how anyone can say it was better.

I thought they were very good in pass protection. Campbell enjoyed a nice pocket pretty much all day. That's why he was able to complete 73% of his passes for 8.1 yards per attempt.It appears the run blocking was very predictable (all but one run to the left). I'm not sure many OLs could produce many holes against a defense of NY's caliber when they seem to know exactly where the run is going. That being said, we might have all made a poor assumption by just assuming the running game would continue to be just as good as previous seasons.

The low yards per attempt is because the pass rush was coming in...we only had success with short passes, which has been the case for years. I like to find the silver lining in things, but the OL play is not it. I think ARE in the slot might be our silver lining.I was dissappointed that Orakpo is invisible the entire game. I rarely saw him line up at DE on 3rd downs and saw more of Daniels or even Jarmon. Regardless, thought Blache did just as horrible calling Defensive schemes as Zorn did on offense.

 

[Sidewinder16]

And, he was lazy on the INT. He needs to come back hard on that route and then fight off the DB.

In defense of Moss, in this instance, I think he was totally caught off guard by Campbell throwing the ball 3 yards past the LOS. I think Moss saw him cross the LOS and fully believed Campbell was just going to make a bee line for the sideline, which is why he let up.IMO, that INT is completely on Campbell. I was completely shuked as to what Campbell was thinking there.

I'll also add that Webster bumped Moss too, which I'm really surprised that the commentators didn't mention. The other part was that Webster made one heck of a catch, looked more like a WR than a DB.

Webster's effort on that was just silly good.That ball should have been thrown 2 seconds earlier or not at all.

 

[Bizkiteer]

The Giants were clearly throwing away from Rogers, and the one time he was targeted that I recall he had a solid, forceful breakup of the pass.

We used to call those "dropped interceptions," but with Rogers they are "forceful breakups."

LOL, that's a good one!

 

[Bizkiteer]

It's already been mentioned, but just want to echo my disappointment in Landry today. Horrible tackling and the late hit on Jacobs was stupid. I'm hoping the "revenge on Jacobs" emotion was to blame and he settles down and plays good football next week.One other thing that just now jumped out at me hard from the gamebook, but Portis had 16 carries AND ONLY 1 WENT RIGHT. And that one was his last carry, near the end of the 3rd (their last "true" running play). Either the coaches (erroneously) thought there was something there they could exploit, or there are still some serious run blocking issues on the right side of the line. Either way, that's a disturbing trend.

I'd love to get on the Landry bandwagon, but so far he's been un-impressive to me. I am referring to his career, all this hype and so far not much substance. Yes, he's got great potential, but so far he makes as many bonehead plays and good plays. I think he thinks he's better than he really is or Blache is not using him the best way. Since our coaching staff has done that previously with many other players, I give Landry a pinch of salt's worth of a doubt. So far, Horton is just as effective as Landry and he wasn't a top 10 pick either. Hmm...Man, I miss Sean Taylor... :(

 

[Sidewinder16]

I was dissappointed that Orakpo is invisible the entire game. I rarely saw him line up at DE on 3rd downs and saw more of Daniels or even Jarmon. Regardless, thought Blatche did just as horrible calling Defensive schemes as Zorn did on offense.

I dunno. It looked to me like they successfully took away the Giants strength (the run game; held them to a 3.3 yard average including 4 tackles for losses) and dared Eli and his neophyte WR corps to beat them. And they did.I'm also upset at the continued success by opposing teams consistently converting 3rd and long passes. I have no idea why it's such a persistent problem, but I wish it would/could be addressed.

 

[dgreen]

Also, our OL did not play well. A few people said it improved, but I don't see. NYG stuffed the run, other than CP's first run. NYG pressured JC all day and even several players went untouched on several of their blitzes. So, I really don't understand how anyone can say it was better.

I thought they were very good in pass protection. Campbell enjoyed a nice pocket pretty much all day. That's why he was able to complete 73% of his passes for 8.1 yards per attempt.It appears the run blocking was very predictable (all but one run to the left). I'm not sure many OLs could produce many holes against a defense of NY's caliber when they seem to know exactly where the run is going. That being said, we might have all made a poor assumption by just assuming the running game would continue to be just as good as previous seasons.

The low yards per attempt is because the pass rush was coming in...we only had success with short passes, which has been the case for years. I like to find the silver lining in things, but the OL play is not it. I think ARE in the slot might be our silver lining.

8.1 is not a low yards per attempt. It's an excellent yards per attempt. And, I really don't think their pass rush was an issue at all.Agree on ARE. He's money in the slot. Props to redman for talking about that all offseason.

I was dissappointed that Orakpo is invisible the entire game. I rarely saw him line up at DE on 3rd downs and saw more of Daniels or even Jarmon. Regardless, thought Blatche did just as horrible calling Defensive schemes as Zorn did on offense.

I'm waiting for ProFootballFocus.com to post their stats. They show how often players lined up at different positions. It was my impression that Orakpo didn't line up at DE nearly enough. And, when he did, they didn't do anything creative with him.

 

[dgreen]

I was dissappointed that Orakpo is invisible the entire game. I rarely saw him line up at DE on 3rd downs and saw more of Daniels or even Jarmon. Regardless, thought Blatche did just as horrible calling Defensive schemes as Zorn did on offense.

I dunno. It looked to me like they successfully took away the Giants strength (the run game; held them to a 3.3 yard average including 4 tackles for losses) and dared Eli and his neophyte WR corps to beat them. And they did.I'm also upset at the continued success by opposing teams consistently converting 3rd and long passes. I have no idea why it's such a persistent problem, but I wish it would/could be addressed.

I think a good start would be to not have the CBs play 10 yards off on 3rd and 5. You're playing a team full of average WRs and you're giving them that much space? If they really think Landry is a great FS, press with the CBs and let Landry back them up.I was disappointed Landry didn't get to Steve Smith on that one third down play right up the middle. When the ball was in the air, I was waiting for Landry to lay him out, but he was a tad late.

 

[Sidewinder16]

So far, Horton is just as effective as Landry and he wasn't a top 10 pick either. Hmm...

Speaking of Horton, it was mentioned in the IDP forum that Horton barely saw the field in the 4th quarter, and I do recall seeing Doughty a lot. Anyone know what happened? Did Horton blow an assignment, get injured...?

 

[Maroney=Sped]

And, he was lazy on the INT. He needs to come back hard on that route and then fight off the DB.

In defense of Moss, in this instance, I think he was totally caught off guard by Campbell throwing the ball 3 yards past the LOS. I think Moss saw him cross the LOS and fully believed Campbell was just going to make a bee line for the sideline, which is why he let up.IMO, that INT is completely on Campbell. I was completely shuked as to what Campbell was thinking there.

Agreed. Campbell had an easy 5-6 yard gain by completing the scramble, leaving them in a very manageable third and short. That was inexcusable, and showed little game sense.

 

[dgreen]

So far, Horton is just as effective as Landry and he wasn't a top 10 pick either. Hmm...

Speaking of Horton, it was mentioned in the IDP forum that Horton barely saw the field in the 4th quarter, and I do recall seeing Doughty a lot. Anyone know what happened? Did Horton blow an assignment, get injured...?

I think that happened a few times last year too.Not an answer, but here's what Keim said last night:

Reed Doughty has been playing more as the primary strong safety since the last drive of the third quarter and the first drive of the fourth. Chris Horton came in as the No. 3 safety on the first drive of the fourth quarter. Not sure what to read into that. That trend has continued deep into the final quarter.

We heard a lot this offseason how much they like Doughty. And, he did play well against the run yesterday.

 

[DCThunder]

This may be crazy and heresy, but the problem with this team is Joe Bugel and his connection back to the Hogs and the glory days of Gibbs I. Because he's the line coach, everyone from Danny Boy on down, thinks that he can magically remake any group of linemen into the Hogs and they can bulldoze their way into the endzone when the ge inside the 5 yard line. They think that they can run Counter Trey or off tackle at will, because they did it behind Jacoby and Grimm with Riggins and Rogers. But those guys are LONG gone and Bugel is 70 years old and the NFL has changed. That's why they didn't throw into the endzone after the Hall pick. Becuase "Redskins Football" is to smash mouth it into the endzone, not some sissy throwing a fade. We are doomed to mediocrity because of past success.

Everyone said that Gibbs was in over his head because the NFL changed but for some reason Bugel is immune to criticism. Oh and if Bugel is so great, how come Rinehart was inactive AGAIN? It's time to admit that his guy is a total dry hole.

 

[Sidewinder16]

I'm reading and hearing complaints about how much time Haynesworth was not on the field. Wasn't this expected? I thought it was fairly well discussed in the offseason that the DTs would rotate a good bit not just because of the depth now available, but also to keep Haynesworth healthy all season. The talk seemed to always be that he'd be in roughly 50% of the defensive snaps.

When he was in, he was disruptive. That disruption didn't always lead to big plays, but I think he was a problem for the Giants pretty much every time he was on the field. And I don't recall any plays where it could have been said "man, if only Haynesworth had been in there". But then again, I wasn't keeping a log of when he was in or out.