***Official*** 2009 Washington Redskins Thread (1 Viewer)

[thayman]

Hunter Smith likely to be out next week. The one thing we could be really proud through 4 weeks.

'Skins bringing in punters for tryouts this week.

I was pissed this week. Cooley is clearly labeled as the back up punter. WTF was Sushi doing in there punting? If the season is going to suck I would like to at least be entertained by Cooley punting.

 

[Sidewinder16]

Rams -84: -2 of that is from the Redskins. -82 from their other three opponents.

Lions -51: +5 from the Redskins. -56 from their other three opponents.

Bucs -53: -3 from the Redskins. -50 from their other three opponents.

Panthers -50: That's from 3 opponents. Play the Redskins this week. Waiting on the point spread here.

Chiefs -48: Play DAL this week before facing the Redskins.

Carolina is favored by 3.5. O/U is 37.5.

 

[dgreen]

Here's PA for the Rams this year:

28

9

36

35

Which one of these is not like the other?

 

[Bizkiteer]

Here's PA for the Rams this year:2893635Which one of these is not like the other?

LMAO!!!

 

[Bizkiteer]

Rut roh Zorny....per RI:

Redskins Hire Offensive ConsultantNot happy with the team's offensive production through the first four games, the Redskins made perhaps their biggest offensive move since hiring Coach Jim Zorn -- bringing on a consultant to help Zorn run his offense. The team announced today that it has retained the services of Sherm Lewis as an offensive consultant. Lewis has been out of the league since 2004, but previously worked for Detroit (2002-04), Minnesota (2000-01), Green Bay (1992-99) and San Francisco (1983-88) -- all in offensive capacities."Sherm's history started with the innovator of the West Coast Offense, Bill Walsh, and over the past two decades he has directed some of the best offenses, and coached and developed some of the league's premier players," Vinny Cerrato, the team's executive vice president of football operations, said in a statement. "He has a diverse NFL background, having coached running backs, wide receivers, and serving as a coordinator. Jim and Sherman share a common bond in that they both worked for Mike Holmgren at different times in their careers. Sherman 's overall experience and expertise will be a tremendous addition to our coaching staff. His track record humbles us all." Lewis made a name for himself with the Packers, where he won a Super Bowl ring in 1996. The offensive success there made Lewis' name a popular one for head coaching jobs around the league, though he was never hired. One of the knocks against him at the time was that Lewis wasn't the primary play-caller for those potent offenses.Coming from the Walsh tree, Lewis is more than familiar with the West Coast offense, and he'll look to improve the Redskins' version of it here as soon as possible. With the Packers, Lewis had the luxury of quarterback Brett Favre and receiver Sterling Sharpe -- he also worked alongside coaches Mike Holmgren and Jon Gruden. Those Green Bay teams made the playoffs six times in Lewis' eight years as offensive coordinator there."The Redskins contacted me and told me they wanted a fresh set of eyes, and I intend to provide just that," Lewis said in a statement released by the team. "I am grateful to join this offensive team and an organization with such a great tradition. I am looking forward to working with Jim Zorn, Sherman Smith, Joe Bugel and the rest of the coaching staff." As for Zorn, time will tell what today's hire means. "We're happy to have Sherm's set of eyes and voice to help us as we continue to find ways to create success on offense," Zorn said in a statement. "I am excited to have him on the staff and welcome his input." Lewis was en route to Ashburn this evening and is expected to be at Redskins Park Wednesday when the team gathers to begin installing its gameplan for the Carolina Panthers.

One less hold that Zorn has, which could easily mean one step closer to being unemployed for one Jim Zorn.

 

[Dexter Manley]

Sherm Lewis was just hired as an offensive consultant per PFT:

Redskins add Sherm LewisPosted by Mike Florio on October 6, 2009 5:28 PM ETThe prevailing thought regarding the job security of Redskins coach Jim Zorn has been that he's insulated from in-season termination by the number of hats that he wears.Zorn, after all, is the head coach, the quarterbacks coach, and he calls the plays.On Tuesday, the Redskins arguably took a step aimed at easing any eventual transition that might occur.The Redskins have announced that Sherm Lewis has been hired to serve as an offensive consultant. "Sherm Lewis is an outstanding coach who has been an instrumental member of four Super Bowl championship teams," executive V.P. of football operations Vinny Cerrato said in a release. "Sherm's history started with the innovator of the West Coast Offense, Bill Walsh, and over the past two decades he has directed some of the best offenses, and coached and developed some of the league's premier players. He has a diverse NFL background, having coached running backs, wide receivers, and serving as a coordinator. Jim and Sherman share a common bond in that they both worked for Mike Holmgren at different times in their careers. Sherman's overall experience and expertise will be a tremendous addition to our coaching staff. His track record humbles us all.""The Redskins contacted me and told me they wanted a fresh set of eyes, and I intend to provide just that," Lewis said. "I am grateful to join this offensive team and an organization with such a great tradition. I am looking forward to working with Jim Zorn, Sherman Smith, Joe Bugel and the rest of the coaching staff." Despite the obvious implication that, if Zorn were getting the job done, there would be no need for a "fresh set of eyes," Zorn sees the glass as 10-percent full."We're happy to have Sherm's set of eyes and voice to help us as we continue to find ways to create success on offense," Zorn said. "I am excited to have him on the staff and welcome his input." Lewis last worked for an NFL team in 2004, with the Lions. He has served as offensive coordinator of the Packers and the Vikings, and he won three Super Bowl rings as a position coach with the 49ers from 1983 through 1991.Lewis was at times considered for head-coaching positions, but he never received any offers. He declined an opportunity to interview for the Lions' job in 2004, when anyone with a pulse and a functioning brain knew that CEO Matt Millen needed a minority candidate to satisfy the Rooney Rule at a time when Steve Mariucci had been hand-picked for the job.

 

[Dexter Manley]

I was just adding a quote to my collection of saved quotes, and I came across this gem from not too long ago:

"If you do what you've always done, you will be what you've always been." - Jim Zorn

 

[Marvelous]

Sherm Lewis was just hired as an offensive consultant per PFT:

Redskins add Sherm LewisPosted by Mike Florio on October 6, 2009 5:28 PM ETThe prevailing thought regarding the job security of Redskins coach Jim Zorn has been that he's insulated from in-season termination by the number of hats that he wears.Zorn, after all, is the head coach, the quarterbacks coach, and he calls the plays.On Tuesday, the Redskins arguably took a step aimed at easing any eventual transition that might occur.The Redskins have announced that Sherm Lewis has been hired to serve as an offensive consultant. "Sherm Lewis is an outstanding coach who has been an instrumental member of four Super Bowl championship teams," executive V.P. of football operations Vinny Cerrato said in a release. "Sherm's history started with the innovator of the West Coast Offense, Bill Walsh, and over the past two decades he has directed some of the best offenses, and coached and developed some of the league's premier players. He has a diverse NFL background, having coached running backs, wide receivers, and serving as a coordinator. Jim and Sherman share a common bond in that they both worked for Mike Holmgren at different times in their careers. Sherman's overall experience and expertise will be a tremendous addition to our coaching staff. His track record humbles us all.""The Redskins contacted me and told me they wanted a fresh set of eyes, and I intend to provide just that," Lewis said. "I am grateful to join this offensive team and an organization with such a great tradition. I am looking forward to working with Jim Zorn, Sherman Smith, Joe Bugel and the rest of the coaching staff." Despite the obvious implication that, if Zorn were getting the job done, there would be no need for a "fresh set of eyes," Zorn sees the glass as 10-percent full."We're happy to have Sherm's set of eyes and voice to help us as we continue to find ways to create success on offense," Zorn said. "I am excited to have him on the staff and welcome his input." Lewis last worked for an NFL team in 2004, with the Lions. He has served as offensive coordinator of the Packers and the Vikings, and he won three Super Bowl rings as a position coach with the 49ers from 1983 through 1991.Lewis was at times considered for head-coaching positions, but he never received any offers. He declined an opportunity to interview for the Lions' job in 2004, when anyone with a pulse and a functioning brain knew that CEO Matt Millen needed a minority candidate to satisfy the Rooney Rule at a time when Steve Mariucci had been hand-picked for the job.

I think Florio missed the boat on his analysis. It's just not practical to fire Zorn mid-season and hiring Sherm Lewis, who has been out of football for 5 years, does not help.The Reddskins hired a bunch of consultants during Spurrier's last year. It really did not help much. But is showed that Snyder was unhappy with the results and was trying to do something. I expect this hire, especially someone who has not been coaching, to have little impact. The move is the first vote of no-confidence in Zorn. Maybe the Redskins will hire a defensive consultant in a couple of weeks. we are re-living Spurrier's 2nd year.

 

[fatness]

There have been vague rumors and/or speculation that, if Redskins owner Daniel Snyder decides to fire coach Jim Zorn during the 2009 season, Snyder might opt to immediately launch the search for a non-interim replacement. Under this theory, Snyder's goal would be to secure "dibs" on Mike Shanahan, Mike Holmgren, or whichever big-name coach Snyder wants to land without having to worry about the likes of Cowboys coach Jerry Jones trying to lure the same guy. (As if having a head coach on the payroll ever stopped Jones from looking for his next one.)

PFT

 

[fatness]

Vinny Cerrato just wrapped up a conference call with reporters to talk about the hiring of veteran NFL assistant Sherman Lewis.

Cerrato said he approached Jim Zorn on Monday about adding a "fresh set of eyes." Cerrato said he and Zorn agreed that Lewis would be a good addition and they approached owner Dan Snyder Monday afternoon to approve the move. "All we're doing is adding a set of eyes," Cerrato said. "I kicked around names of guys that were available and we talked about Sherman Lewis."

Cerrato confirmed what a source told me -- the duties on the offensive staff will not change. Zorn remains the play caller. "Everybody will be doing what they've been doing," Cerrato said.

Lewis hasn't coached since 2004 but Cerrato didn't seem worried that Lewis has been out of the NFL loop for so long. "He's a good resource for Him because they have so much background with Mike [Holmgren]," Cerrato said. "They'll talk the same language right away."

Obviously, this could be viewed as the beginning of the end for Zorn. And it probably is if the offense doesn't get untracked.

O'HalloranGoodbye Jim. You tried.

 

[fatness]

After somebody has owned a team awhile, you begin to notice certain patterns of behavior. Actually, in Dan Snyder’s case, it was a rather short while. He had been boss of the Redskins for only four games in 1999 when, with his defense springing leaks on every deck, he summoned the famed Bill Arnsparger from retirement to assist D-coordinator Mike Nolan.

The Redskins went on to win the division title that year, still their only NFC East championship under Snyder, but it’s hard to say the defense – or Arnsparger – had much to do with it. As late as Week 16, the Redskins were giving up 418 yards, 250 of them on the ground, against a 49ers club that would finish 4-12. Would the ‘D’ have performed any differently if “another set of eyes,” as general managers like to describe such hires, hadn’t been brought in? Perhaps not.

Fast forward a decade. Now it’s the offense that has the Hogettes gulping Valium, and the owner just has to do something. So he turns to another old coach who has been out of the game for several seasons, Sherman Lewis. Lewis isn’t as well known as Arnsparger, the brains behind the Dolphins’ legendary No-Name Defense, but he has the proper pedigree. His first NFL assistant’s job was in San Francisco under Bill Walsh, the godfather of the West Coast attack; he also has worked for Mike Holmgren and Denny Green.

Will the Redskins’ latest Set of Eyes set the offense straight, an offense that has been averaging about 14 points a game for almost a year now? Not, you would think, unless Lewis can also play right guard, right tackle or, preferably, both. Regardless of what you think of Jim Zorn’s play calling – and he’s certainly had some curious moments – it’s the shaky line and weak supporting cast at wideout behind Santana Moss that are most responsible for the lack of scoring.

But this move is more about symbolism, about appearances, than about fixing a broken offense. It’s about Being Proactive, which Snyder has always been, and showing the fans you’ll do Whatever It Takes to bring them a winner. It’s also very Corporate Culture, which is the only culture Dan knew before he was introduced to the rock ’em, sock ’em NFL. Corporate America is the Land of the Consultants – and that’s what Lewis is as much as anything, a consultant.

Lewis might not be a direct threat to Zorn, but he’s an indirect threat. Why? Because there’s now a coach in the building who can take over the offense if Snyder decides to fire the head coach and, say, replace him with defensive coordinator Greg Blache. Until Sherm agreed to come aboard, there really wasn’t a guy on the staff who had much experience calling plays.

Dan Daly

 

[fatness]

The Redskins hired Sherm Lewis as an offensive consultant Tuesday in a move CBS analyst Charley Casserly called the "kiss of death" for coach Jim Zorn.

Gregg Rosenthal

 

[MikeApf]

Lewis might not be a direct threat to Zorn, but he’s an indirect threat. Why? Because there’s now a coach in the building who can take over the offense if Snyder decides to fire the head coach and, say, replace him with defensive coordinator Greg Blache. Until Sherm agreed to come aboard, there really wasn’t a guy on the staff who had much experience calling plays.

Winner, winner, chicken dinner! I think this is it exactly. I do not think that Snyder sees Lewis as "the answer"...not even close...he's not a big enough name. He is simply getting his ducks in a row before canning Zorn.M

 

[Bizkiteer]

There have been vague rumors and/or speculation that, if Redskins owner Daniel Snyder decides to fire coach Jim Zorn during the 2009 season, Snyder might opt to immediately launch the search for a non-interim replacement. Under this theory, Snyder's goal would be to secure "dibs" on Mike Shanahan, Mike Holmgren, or whichever big-name coach Snyder wants to land without having to worry about the likes of Cowboys coach Jerry Jones trying to lure the same guy. (As if having a head coach on the payroll ever stopped Jones from looking for his next one.)

PFT

Hmm...this sounds very familiar now doesn't it? I wonder who has been saying this around here more than a few times? Who can it be? Hmm....

 

[Sidewinder16]

Silly me. I was actually starting to think that the season couldn't get any worse.

:X

 

[Marvelous]

There have been vague rumors and/or speculation that, if Redskins owner Daniel Snyder decides to fire coach Jim Zorn during the 2009 season, Snyder might opt to immediately launch the search for a non-interim replacement. Under this theory, Snyder's goal would be to secure "dibs" on Mike Shanahan, Mike Holmgren, or whichever big-name coach Snyder wants to land without having to worry about the likes of Cowboys coach Jerry Jones trying to lure the same guy. (As if having a head coach on the payroll ever stopped Jones from looking for his next one.)

PFT

I just don't see this happening for the following reasons:1. Why would Shanahan commit to the Redskins before being wined and dined by other clubs in case something better is out there?

2. Why would Shanahan take over a team midseason where he is stuck with the current coaching staff and players. He would certainly like to start from scratch in the off season, hire his own coaches, and choose a lot of the new players (clean house)

There is no upside to any outside coach becoming a head coach mid-season. Unless they won't get any other offers after the season.

 

[Bizkiteer]

There have been vague rumors and/or speculation that, if Redskins owner Daniel Snyder decides to fire coach Jim Zorn during the 2009 season, Snyder might opt to immediately launch the search for a non-interim replacement. Under this theory, Snyder's goal would be to secure "dibs" on Mike Shanahan, Mike Holmgren, or whichever big-name coach Snyder wants to land without having to worry about the likes of Cowboys coach Jerry Jones trying to lure the same guy. (As if having a head coach on the payroll ever stopped Jones from looking for his next one.)

PFT

I just don't see this happening for the following reasons:1. Why would Shanahan commit to the Redskins before being wined and dined by other clubs in case something better is out there?

2. Why would Shanahan take over a team midseason where he is stuck with the current coaching staff and players. He would certainly like to start from scratch in the off season, hire his own coaches, and choose a lot of the new players (clean house)

There is no upside to any outside coach becoming a head coach mid-season. Unless they won't get any other offers after the season.

He'd get a hands on feel for the players, so he would know who to gut out and not. Also, if Snyder makes a deal that is hard to resist, then why have to listen to anyone else. Most new coaches have to review the entire previous season anyway, he's have hands on impression of what was needed. This is possible, but would a rare case. Hey could end up saving time for the new coach.

 

[TankRizzo]

I got my hands on a hidden camera video of Sherm's first meeting with Jim Zorn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGSCSQCpz9Q

 

[Bizkiteer]

Someone pointed out on ES that it the report that Jay Glazer had a year ago about Vinny had 2 yrs to prove himself. The hiring of Sherm Lewis might Vinny trying to save his job as much as it is to take away a responsibility to lessen Zorn's hold. Just a thought...

 

[dgreen]

There is no upside to any outside coach becoming a head coach mid-season. Unless they won't get any other offers after the season.

$10M might do it. Snyder could do what he always does: compete with himself and outbid every potential offer by a large margin before the candidate even hears other offers.

 

[Bizkiteer]

There is no upside to any outside coach becoming a head coach mid-season. Unless they won't get any other offers after the season.

$10M might do it. Snyder could do what he always does: compete with himself and outbid every potential offer by a large margin before the candidate even hears other offers.

That is his strongest attribute so far, don't see why it would change at this point.

 

[TankRizzo]

There is no upside to any outside coach becoming a head coach mid-season. Unless they won't get any other offers after the season.

$10M might do it. Snyder could do what he always does: compete with himself and outbid every potential offer by a large margin before the candidate even hears other offers.

Crazier things have happened, but I really don't see how that would work unless it's a backdoor, super secret deal that is signed.

 

[Maroney=Sped]

Arnsparger-Nolan II

 

[dgreen]

There is no upside to any outside coach becoming a head coach mid-season. Unless they won't get any other offers after the season.

$10M might do it. Snyder could do what he always does: compete with himself and outbid every potential offer by a large margin before the candidate even hears other offers.

Crazier things have happened, but I really don't see how that would work unless it's a backdoor, super secret deal that is signed.

This organization is all about super secret deals. Remember how secretive they were about who they were interviewing last year? I saw no advantage to hiding that info, but they were fairly defensive about any questions regarding The Process.

 

[dgreen]

Hunter Smith likely to be out next week. The one thing we could be really proud through 4 weeks.

'Skins bringing in punters for tryouts this week.

Is it interesting that the punter they signed is going on the PS? I take that to mean Smith might be ok for this week.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

No facts here, but I'd like to see what everyone would do if they were Snyder. He's thinking about a bunch of things, among which are winning to make his product more valuable, deflecting media criticism, and how replace his buddy's role as GM while not hurting his feelings.

I throw out this scenario:

- Move Cerrato into only running the business operations, no more GM

- Hire Holmgren as GM (Parcells type role) with control of the player personnel dept

- Keep Zorn as HC for another year for some continuity, to keep with Holmgren's system, and because I probably didn't expect magic from a newbie in just 2 years.

- Allow Holmgren and Zorn to pick an OC, and strongly consider Sherm Smith. If Holmgren wants the HC role, give it to him and make Zorn OC.

- If they make the playoffs, give Campbell a one/two year contract for limited money

- If they miss the playoffs, let Campbell go. Somebody like the Browns, Dophins, etc will probably take him. Pick a Hasselback/Bulger/Collins type to come in and start, while they bring up a rookie like Colt McCoy

- Pray

Holmgren isn't great in my opinion, but he's pretty solid. And I don't think they'll get Shanny, Cowher, or Gruden to come here. Cowher would be perfect to ignite a fire in this team, but I don't see him working for Danny.

 

[Marvelous]

There is no upside to any outside coach becoming a head coach mid-season. Unless they won't get any other offers after the season.

$10M might do it. Snyder could do what he always does: compete with himself and outbid every potential offer by a large margin before the candidate even hears other offers.

Crazier things have happened, but I really don't see how that would work unless it's a backdoor, super secret deal that is signed.

This organization is all about super secret deals. Remember how secretive they were about who they were interviewing last year? I saw no advantage to hiding that info, but they were fairly defensive about any questions regarding The Process.

I thought they were trying to keep it quiet on who officially rejected the Redskin head coaching position. So I always assumed when someone "withdrew" from consideration (Spags, Schwartz), they were turning the position down before it was offered.

 

[buster c]

There have been vague rumors and/or speculation that, if Redskins owner Daniel Snyder decides to fire coach Jim Zorn during the 2009 season, Snyder might opt to immediately launch the search for a non-interim replacement. Under this theory, Snyder's goal would be to secure "dibs" on Mike Shanahan, Mike Holmgren, or whichever big-name coach Snyder wants to land without having to worry about the likes of Cowboys coach Jerry Jones trying to lure the same guy. (As if having a head coach on the payroll ever stopped Jones from looking for his next one.)

PFT

I just don't see this happening for the following reasons:1. Why would Shanahan commit to the Redskins before being wined and dined by other clubs in case something better is out there?

2. Why would Shanahan take over a team midseason where he is stuck with the current coaching staff and players. He would certainly like to start from scratch in the off season, hire his own coaches, and choose a lot of the new players (clean house)

There is no upside to any outside coach becoming a head coach mid-season. Unless they won't get any other offers after the season.

When does this team ever do things the right way?Hire an OC before you hire a HC?

I can so totally see Snyder sitting in his box next to Shanny (with Alan Greenspan and Andrea Mitchell) watching Blatche run the team with Sherm calling plays. Why not have the HC onboard in an advisory role before taking over. It's so non-conventional that it's almost a lock to happen.

After getting humiliated this week in Carolina, Zorn will be gone before he has a chance to get a beat down at home by the Chiefs.

I'll be in Carolina for the game and am budgeting post-game drinks for the despondant and freshly unemployed Jimmy Z as he pulls up a stage-side chair at the nearest mens club.

 

[Maroney=Sped]

The funny thing is that I was actually feeling better this week about the offense. The 3 INT's didn't bother me because they represented an aggressive risk-taking Campbell rather than a guy who was too conservative because he was desperately afraid of making mistakes.

Snyder simply can't help himself and allow his guys to succeed or fail on their own. Jesus, Dan, you hired a guy to fill 3 different positions - maybe you can have the decency to see if he can't dig himself out of a hole. :(

 

[buster c]

T. Hamilton

It's like when your husband brings home flowers unprompted one night -- you know he bought them at the Metro stop, you know they were cheap to begin with and cheaper still because the vendor wanted to empty his buckets, you know he's never done it before and he might never do it again, and there's a good chance he just did it because he got hammered with his friends the weekend before and threw up on the bathroom rug. But still, they're flowers and they're pretty and you figure, this is as good as it gets.

hilarious analogy to the Skin's O

 

[dgreen]

T. Hamilton

It's like when your husband brings home flowers unprompted one night -- you know he bought them at the Metro stop, you know they were cheap to begin with and cheaper still because the vendor wanted to empty his buckets, you know he's never done it before and he might never do it again, and there's a good chance he just did it because he got hammered with his friends the weekend before and threw up on the bathroom rug. But still, they're flowers and they're pretty and you figure, this is as good as it gets.

hilarious analogy to the Skin's O

We just keep getting more and more pathetic.

Watch out, Carolina. We just might break out for 17 points this week!

 

[Bizkiteer]

Watch out, Carolina. We just might break out for 17 points this week!

There is that optimistic side of you coming out again.

 

[dgreen]

Watch out, Carolina. We just might break out for 17 points this week!

There is that optimistic side of you coming out again.

:IBTL:

 

[Arizona Ron]

Zorn >

Sherman Lewis is your new Interim Head Coach. Even if Zorn stays, anything good will now be because of Lewis.

 

[fatness]

I predict a loss by 17 or more in Carolina.

### #### it I hate saying that.

 

[DCThunder]

Someone pointed out on ES that it the report that Jay Glazer had a year ago about Vinny had 2 yrs to prove himself. The hiring of Sherm Lewis might Vinny trying to save his job as much as it is to take away a responsibility to lessen Zorn's hold. Just a thought...

I think there is a lot of merit to this position. Despite what Andy and Czabe think, Vinny can't have an unlimited amount of time to prove he he's not the bozo most NFL people think he is, can he? He's got the big office and the big title and the big salary and along with that goes the big responsibility. He can't throw people under the bus forever. This team is HIS and Danny's team now (or almost is) and since Danny can't fire himself, Vinnie has to take the fall. Danny wants his Super Bowl trophy and if jettisoning Vinny is what it will take, well, there are lots of racquetball partners out there...

 

[Bizkiteer]

Someone pointed out on ES that it the report that Jay Glazer had a year ago about Vinny had 2 yrs to prove himself. The hiring of Sherm Lewis might Vinny trying to save his job as much as it is to take away a responsibility to lessen Zorn's hold. Just a thought...

I think there is a lot of merit to this position. Despite what Andy and Czabe think, Vinny can't have an unlimited amount of time to prove he he's not the bozo most NFL people think he is, can he? He's got the big office and the big title and the big salary and along with that goes the big responsibility. He can't throw people under the bus forever. This team is HIS and Danny's team now (or almost is) and since Danny can't fire himself, Vinnie has to take the fall. Danny wants his Super Bowl trophy and if jettisoning Vinny is what it will take, well, there are lots of racquetball partners out there...

I think DanMan caves when he tries to get a replacement for Zorn. When he realizes to get Shanny, Holmgren or Cowher, he's going to have a real GM in place and Vinny must be gone....POOF!!!! Vinny will be gone just like that. Enough is enough and Dan might be forced to take a back seat as he's tried to help, but can't get out of his own way.Of course, soon as the team starts to get some success...he'll pull a Jerry and think that he knows better and fire the highly successful coach.

 

[fatness]

Someone pointed out on ES that it the report that Jay Glazer had a year ago about Vinny had 2 yrs to prove himself. The hiring of Sherm Lewis might Vinny trying to save his job as much as it is to take away a responsibility to lessen Zorn's hold. Just a thought...

I think there is a lot of merit to this position. Despite what Andy and Czabe think, Vinny can't have an unlimited amount of time to prove he he's not the bozo most NFL people think he is, can he? He's got the big office and the big title and the big salary and along with that goes the big responsibility. He can't throw people under the bus forever. This team is HIS and Danny's team now (or almost is) and since Danny can't fire himself, Vinnie has to take the fall. Danny wants his Super Bowl trophy and if jettisoning Vinny is what it will take, well, there are lots of racquetball partners out there...

If there were no strings attached to it (like a certain timeframe in which to accomplish at least "X"), then there was no reason to give Cerrato a promotion and a raise. So you may be right.

 

[Sidewinder16]

Did I just hear John Thompson say "bull ####" on the air waves (like 3 or 4 times)?

 

[dgreen]

Did I just hear John Thompson say "bull ####" on the air waves (like 3 or 4 times)?

I wasn't listening. Anyone else?I assume he was talking about the Redskins?

 

[fatness]

OFFENSE (61 snaps)

RB: Clinton Portis 41, Mike Sellers 34, Ladell Betts 14, Marcus Mason 6.

TE: Chris Cooley 58, Fred Davis 6.

WR: Santana Moss 60, Malcolm Kelly 50, Antwaan Randle El 22, Devin Thomas 11.

Analysis: Davis and Thomas continue to see minimal playing time. Three of Davis' six snaps were the end-of-game kneel downs. ... On second offensive snap, the Redskins went with an empty backfield when Portis motioned to wide right. The Bucs floated a safety over to cover Portis. ... Interesting formation in the second quarter -- Cooley and Davis wide left and right and Moss and Kelly in slot left and right.

DEFENSE (57 snaps)

DL: Andre Carter 50, Albert Haynesworth 45, Kedric Golston 31, Cornelius Griffin 28, Phillip Daniels 21, Jeremy Jarmon 11, Lorenzo Alexander 7.

LB: London Fletcher 57, Brian Orakpo 54, Rocky McIntosh 42, Chris Wilson 6.

DB: LaRon Landry 57, Carlos Rogers 57, DeAngelo Hall 57, Reed Doughty 49, Justin Tryon 24, Chris Horton 21, Kareem Moore 9, Fred Smoot 1.

Analysis: Obviously, Smoot has fallen on the depth chart -- his only snap came as a safety late in the first half. ... Jarmon played no first-half snaps but was on the field for the final three snaps and forced the game-sealing fumble. ... Tryon's sack came in a dime package when he blitzed from the left slot. ... On Tampa Bay's first third down, the Redskins went with 3 DL/2 LB/6 DB. They played three down linemen several other times.

SPECIAL TEAMS

Kickoff coverage: Suisham, Moore, Westbrook, Cartwright, D. Thomas, Tryon, Doughty, Blades, Wilson, Sellers and Alexander.

Kickoff return: Cooley, Cartwright, Betts, Moore, Alexander, Yoder, Sellers, Blades, Wilson, Horton and McIntosh.

Punt coverage: H. Smith/Suisham, Albright, Tryon, Sellers, Doughty, Horton, Yoder, Blades, Cartwright, Westbrook and Moore.

Punt return: Randle El, Smoot, Jarmon, Landry, Westbrook, Blades, Alexander, Tryon, Horton and Moore.

Analysis: Cooley assumed Fred Davis' spot on kickoff return -- on the front line of the formation after Davis didn't really block anybody against Detroit last week. ... Suisham's hang times on three punts were 4.41, 4.38 and 3.09 seconds. ... On the blocked point after attempt, the Bucs overloaded one side -- six defenders against four blockers. Todd Yoder blocked the player closest to the ball, but was unable to chip Ronde Barber, who came in unblocked to block the kick.

O'Halloran

 

[Maroney=Sped]

Did I just hear John Thompson say "bull ####" on the air waves (like 3 or 4 times)?

Bolshoi. He said Bolshoi.

 

[DCThunder]

Did I just hear John Thompson say "bull ####" on the air waves (like 3 or 4 times)?

Bolshoi. He said Bolshoi.

Did Doc say it was a manhood issue?

 

[Sidewinder16]

Did I just hear John Thompson say "bull ####" on the air waves (like 3 or 4 times)?

Bolshoi. He said Bolshoi.

Did Doc say it was a manhood issue?

Almost. He was getting all riled up regarding the Lewis hire. Basically saying that Snyderatto have emasculated Zorn with this hire. Thompson wants them to either show some faith in Zorn and let him try to dig himself out of this hole, or simply get rid of him.

 

[fatness]

Did Doc say it was a manhood issue?

 

[Sidewinder16]

Did I just hear John Thompson say "bull ####" on the air waves (like 3 or 4 times)?

I wasn't listening. Anyone else?

I assume he was talking about the Redskins?

Confirmation from the peanut gallery.

 

[buster c]

Did I just hear John Thompson say "bull ####" on the air waves (like 3 or 4 times)?

I wasn't listening. Anyone else?

I assume he was talking about the Redskins?

Confirmation from the peanut gallery.

BIZKITEER ALERT! Do not click this link! (I dropped a "BS" on his league message board and he was shaken up pretty bad)

 

[Bizkiteer]

Did I just hear John Thompson say "bull ####" on the air waves (like 3 or 4 times)?

I wasn't listening. Anyone else?

I assume he was talking about the Redskins?

Confirmation from the peanut gallery.

BIZKITEER ALERT! Do not click this link! (I dropped a "BS" on his league message board and he was shaken up pretty bad)

Using the words BS is not foreign to me as I'm ex-military, but when a person uses it to say that you just lied to them and you didn't is different. Not the words used, but the accusation is what was wrong about it. LOL, one should know what they are talking about before they open their mouth.

Go sell crazy elsewhere, we're all stocked up here!

 

[Sidewinder16]

Blache Hands Media Duties over to Gray

Gray will handle Blache's previous media duties, a Redskins spokesman said, but Gray did not confirm that while speaking with reporters. "Ah, who knows?" Gray said. "We'll see."

Holy crap. How much longer before there is a Redskins logo next the word "dysfunctional" in the dictionary?

 

[buster c]

Did I just hear John Thompson say "bull ####" on the air waves (like 3 or 4 times)?

I wasn't listening. Anyone else?

I assume he was talking about the Redskins?

Confirmation from the peanut gallery.

BIZKITEER ALERT! Do not click this link! (I dropped a "BS" on his league message board and he was shaken up pretty bad)

Using the words BS is not foreign to me as I'm ex-military, but when a person uses it to say that you just lied to them and you didn't is different. Not the words used, but the accusation is what was wrong about it. LOL, one should know what they are talking about before they open their mouth.

Go sell crazy elsewhere, we're all stocked up here!

crazy is our military "not askin'" and you "not tellin'"