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***Official*** 2009 Washington Redskins Thread (1 Viewer)

I know I'm not supposed to venture into this thread, for penalty of death, but I had nowhere else to put this:I recently switched jobs, and went into work on my day off to drop off some paperwork wearing a cowboys shirt. My boss sees me and rolls his eyes at my shirt. After informing me he is a redskins fan, the conversation went like this:Me: Wow, thank God I already got the job!boss: It's not too late, you know.[hint of sarcasm]Me: oh....um.....I thought your organization was....um.....very classy to let the lions win a game?boss: :thumbup: Me: Do I still have a job?boss: Call me before coming in.No hint of sarcasm. Not sure if he was serious or not... :lmao:
See there is no penalty of death... :) I think the safe thing to do is to treat your boss like he's your BOSS. He's not some Tom, **** or Joe...so, save teh trash talking for the regular folk. Last thing you want to do is piss off the guy who determines your yearly eval or raise.I interviewed this one guy for a job several years ago, we wore professional attire (collared shirts & ties). Since I had a bunch of keys for various offices and rooms, I had them all on my Redskins lanyard. We had just played the Giants and lost and as I walk him out after the interview, which he was okay in, he mentions how they kicked our ####. He said this in the lobby while waiting going towards/waiting for his elevator. I immediately told him that his comment was the dumest thing he could have said at that point. I reminded him that he had to realize that he was talking crap to the guy who decides if he was going to be hired. Needless to say, I was not hired. His stupidity showed me that his judgement was not on par and I had no need for that on the staff.
 
Good god, man, just give it up. Next year he'll be out for the season after being grievously injured on the coin flip.

His triceps muscle surgically repaired, Redskins RG Randy Thomas said he hasn't thought about his future, only that it includes him playing in 2010.
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No, he'll still believe he has something left in the tank...get cut and then sign with the Lions. Then, he'll be on the sidelines cheering and yelling at us with Jansen as the Lions beat the Redskins again.
 
Marvelous said:
Bizkiteer said:
dgreen said:
Anyone see Sherman Smith's weekly interview on CSN last night? He tends to rub me the wrong way. Last night he basically said they don't adjust their playcalling based on who is on the field. That seems stupid to me. I just don't like the "We have what we have" and "We're gonna call our offense" comments from the coaching staff. Gibbs took so much heat for taking all the blame for everything, but it would be nice if this staff would do that more often.

You can see it here.
They don't seem to make any adustments at all...in changing plays to gameplan. Not too surprising as it looks like we always run right to where the defense has it main group of players set up. There is this thing, it's call an audible...you can even do it in the Madden video game. :thumbdown:
The problem is the Redskins don't have any confidence runnig to the right or straight ahead. The other teams know this too. So on crucial running downs, they overload the left side, knowing that where the running play is going.
Sounds like the perfect setup for a counter-trey.
 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...775.html?sub=AR

For a Troubled Organization, Blame Resides at the Top

By Sally Jenkins

Thursday, October 1, 2009

The Redskins are full of talk about personal responsibility this week, mouthing all the right words and saying they can still turn things around if they are individually accountable and stick together. But my question is, how much can a team really subscribe to personal responsibility when the guy who is by far the most responsible for the state of the franchise, the owner, ducks it?

For a decade now, Daniel Snyder has made an utter mess of the team, and yet he seldom, if ever, takes responsibility for it. He operates from behind a phalanx of security, proxies and media managers, routinely declining to comment and be accountable. He wants all the fun when they win and none of the blame when they lose. The most damning anecdote I've heard yet about Snyder came this week from his former player-confidante LaVar Arrington, who described how Snyder would stand outside the locker room and shake hands with players when they won, but glared and declined to offer a hand when they lost.

It's absurdly early to write off the 2009-10 Redskins as a failure at 1-2. But it's a decade into Snyder's tenure as owner, and not too early to reach a verdict on the joyriding amateur interference that passes for his management. What's ultimately wrong with the Redskins, the reason they annually fight to be merely average, is not the fault of Jim Zorn, Jason Campbell or any other employee, it's the fault of Snyder. Anyone who doubts his involvement needed only listen to Zorn on Monday following the Redskins' loss to the winless Detroit Lions. "I'm sure I'll be spending a lot time with him this week," Zorn said. Now, surely Zorn has better things to do than to explain the elementary and the obvious to his owner: They don't have an effective offensive line or a pass rush.

This is Snyder's team; he was intimately involved in assembling it. He keeps his favorite players on speed dial, watches practices on the sidelines and demands face time and explanations from the coaches he personally hired. Whatever you think of Zorn, he is Snyder's own selection. It was Snyder who told Joe Gibbs, "He would make a great head coach." He is personally responsible for naming Vinny Cerrato, a proven failure, executive vice president of football operations, for the Redskins' lack of core strength, for their inability to power the ball in the red zone, which is thanks to his decade of neglect of the interior lines in favor of big free agent signings.

You can blame the Redskins players and coaches for what happens on Sundays, but not for what's wrong with the franchise the other six days of the week. The owner should have known the winning cure a long time ago: hire a competent, professional general manager. Yet he refuses to do it because that wouldn't be as much fun for him. I've said it before, and I say it again more than ever: It looks to me like Snyder would rather be the center of power on a losing team than a peripheral figure on a winning one.

There has been no shortage of people willing to step up and accept responsibility for the state of the Redskins: Norv Turner, Marty Schottenheimer, Steve Spurrier, Gibbs and now Zorn have taken turns shouldering the blame for their decade-long mediocrity. Players, too.

"We got 20 people walking round in the locker room with hoo-rah talk," Clinton Portis said Wednesday. "Pumping guys up, 'Lets go baby we can do this.' It's Week 3. I don't think it take hoo-rah talk, I don't think it take pump a guy up, putting a guy in the car and let's go out and have a one-to-one. It's making plays."

At the moment a handful of locker room leaders and consummate pros are trying to keep the Redskins in the right competitive frame of mind, despite intense scrutiny from the press, boos from the home crowd and three straight disappointing performances on the field. "We don't wish wins, we work at it," Antwaan Randle El said.

"Right now we are going through a lot of trials as a team and this is a time to find out the real character of our team, and if we can push through it, it makes for a good push down the stretch run," Campbell said.

But it says something about the dark, untrusting environment at Redskins Park that a team of highly paid veterans doesn't yet know its character and is fighting for its soul after just three games, trying stave off panic and finger-pointing and to remain cohesive. After losing to the Lions last week, cornerback DeAngelo Hall said, "You either want it or you don't. A lot of these guys don't want it. They want the other stuff." The paycheck-player, where's-mine environment is set by an owner who never seems to value the right qualities, and who so often seems to equate the size of a contract with character. How long can some players continue to give more while making a lot less? And how long can all of them keep fighting for Zorn when no one in the front office will step forward and preach real loyalty, by publicly declaring, "This is our coach and the path we're on."

Snyder is not the first or the last executive to avoid responsibility for failure. But somehow it seems more important given the nature of the NFL, a business in which men sacrifice their bodies and futures weekly for the good of the organization, for an executive to take just as much responsibility as they do. Snyder declined an interview request Wednesday, but hopefully in the near future he will make clear his vision for a better future for the organization.

Whatever the deficiencies of the Redskins, they are Snyder's deficiencies, too. But everyone else is answering for them.

 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...775.html?sub=AR

The most damning anecdote I've heard yet about Snyder came this week from his former player-confidante LaVar Arrington, who described how Snyder would stand outside the locker room and shake hands with players when they won, but glared and declined to offer a hand when they lost.
heard LaVar say this on his show and have been meaning to post it. Sally beat me to the punch here, but she borrowed my notes for the rest.I've taken a ton of flak here by saying a lot of the same things. I think you all owe me an apology :goodposting:

 
Not from me, buster...we've been in lock step right along.

Saint Sally Jenkins, pray for us, now and at the hour of the Game. A-men!

Win or lose, it's past due that the Season Ticket Holders demanded, and received answers from The Daniel. He has much to answer for.

Gonna share a secret with you guys that's going to sound silly, but it's 100% true...this is how nutty of a Fan I am...

...a few years back, when my frustration with the Redskins boiled over, despite my overall negative view of the Lottery as an institution, I started playing the MegaMillion thing pretty significantly ($20, twice a week), and it's become a somewhat of a habit at this point...the best I've done is $150 here and there, but I'm on a mission, damn it...

...Now, I fully admit I'm off my rocker, but I'm not a moron (really) - I absolutely KNOW the likelihood of hitting for 250K or a Jackpot is a complete pipe dream, but I promise you all that if it happens while that dunderhead is still running our Team into the ground with his antics, I WILL develop/finance/promote a Season Ticket Holder/Fan Event on a Home Game Sunday with the sole purpose of giving a significant, noticeable number of people a damn good reason not to attend the Stadium that Sunday. Plenty of Food and Drinks, probably a concert, and if necessary, a ticket 'buy back' or exchange. Call it my personal Tea Party/Town Hall Meeting for Redskins Fans. It WILL get publicity, and I WILL hit that man in the only place he'll feel it - his wallet.

One of the most satisfying feelings in the world has to be giving someone deserving, their comeuppance. Every time I buy those Lottery Tickets, I offer up a quick silent Prayer that I'm allowed to be the one that gives Snyder his.

Yeah, I'm bitter...

 
Not from me, buster...we've been in lock step right along.Saint Sally Jenkins, pray for us, now and at the hour of the Game. A-men!Win or lose, it's past due that the Season Ticket Holders demanded, and received answers from The Daniel. He has much to answer for.Gonna share a secret with you guys that's going to sound silly, but it's 100% true...this is how nutty of a Fan I am......a few years back, when my frustration with the Redskins boiled over, despite my overall negative view of the Lottery as an institution, I started playing the MegaMillion thing pretty significantly ($20, twice a week), and it's become a somewhat of a habit at this point...the best I've done is $150 here and there, but I'm on a mission, damn it......Now, I fully admit I'm off my rocker, but I'm not a moron (really) - I absolutely KNOW the likelihood of hitting for 250K or a Jackpot is a complete pipe dream, but I promise you all that if it happens while that dunderhead is still running our Team into the ground with his antics, I WILL develop/finance/promote a Season Ticket Holder/Fan Event on a Home Game Sunday with the sole purpose of giving a significant, noticeable number of people a damn good reason not to attend the Stadium that Sunday. Plenty of Food and Drinks, probably a concert, and if necessary, a ticket 'buy back' or exchange. Call it my personal Tea Party/Town Hall Meeting for Redskins Fans. It WILL get publicity, and I WILL hit that man in the only place he'll feel it - his wallet.One of the most satisfying feelings in the world has to be giving someone deserving, their comeuppance. Every time I buy those Lottery Tickets, I offer up a quick silent Prayer that I'm allowed to be the one that gives Snyder his.Yeah, I'm bitter...
I'll enjoy your anti-party if you win. [office space]Peter Gibbons: What would you do if you had a million dollars? Lawrence: I'll tell you what I'd do, man: two chicks at the same time, man. Peter Gibbons: That's it? If you had a million dollars, you'd do two chicks at the same time? Lawrence: Damn straight. I always wanted to do that, man. And I think if I were a millionaire I could hook that up, too; 'cause chicks dig dudes with money. Peter Gibbons: Well, not all chicks. Lawrence: Well, the type of chicks that'd double up on a dude like me do. Peter Gibbons: Good point. Lawrence: Well, what about you now? what would you do? Peter Gibbons: Besides two chicks at the same time? Lawrence: Well, yeah. Peter Gibbons: Nothing. Lawrence: Nothing, huh? Peter Gibbons: I would relax... I would sit on my ### all day... I would do nothing. Lawrence: Well, you don't need a million dollars to do nothing, man. Take a look at my cousin: he's broke, don't do ####. [/office space]
 
Not from me, buster...we've been in lock step right along.Saint Sally Jenkins, pray for us, now and at the hour of the Game. A-men!Win or lose, it's past due that the Season Ticket Holders demanded, and received answers from The Daniel. He has much to answer for.Gonna share a secret with you guys that's going to sound silly, but it's 100% true...this is how nutty of a Fan I am......a few years back, when my frustration with the Redskins boiled over, despite my overall negative view of the Lottery as an institution, I started playing the MegaMillion thing pretty significantly ($20, twice a week), and it's become a somewhat of a habit at this point...the best I've done is $150 here and there, but I'm on a mission, damn it......Now, I fully admit I'm off my rocker, but I'm not a moron (really) - I absolutely KNOW the likelihood of hitting for 250K or a Jackpot is a complete pipe dream, but I promise you all that if it happens while that dunderhead is still running our Team into the ground with his antics, I WILL develop/finance/promote a Season Ticket Holder/Fan Event on a Home Game Sunday with the sole purpose of giving a significant, noticeable number of people a damn good reason not to attend the Stadium that Sunday. Plenty of Food and Drinks, probably a concert, and if necessary, a ticket 'buy back' or exchange. Call it my personal Tea Party/Town Hall Meeting for Redskins Fans. It WILL get publicity, and I WILL hit that man in the only place he'll feel it - his wallet.One of the most satisfying feelings in the world has to be giving someone deserving, their comeuppance. Every time I buy those Lottery Tickets, I offer up a quick silent Prayer that I'm allowed to be the one that gives Snyder his.Yeah, I'm bitter...
Word to the wise...It won't happen, as He will not bless a plan for vengence or revenge. Pray to help others and it is something that He can endorse and grant.
 
Reed starting over Horton this week.
I have been wondering about Horton this season. There has been talk of guys not staying in their zones or areas, trying to do too much and such. Horton has been one of the only regular starters that has come out in some of the games, which led me to believe that maybe he was one of the guilty. Reed played well in preseason and has looked decent when he's played during the season. Maybe Horton is not sticking to his assignments as much and this is the result. Just a thought...
 
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[office space]Peter Gibbons: What would you do if you had a million dollars? Lawrence: I'll tell you what I'd do, man: two chicks at the same time, man. Peter Gibbons: That's it? If you had a million dollars, you'd do two chicks at the same time? Lawrence: Damn straight. I always wanted to do that, man. And I think if I were a millionaire I could hook that up, too; 'cause chicks dig dudes with money. Peter Gibbons: Well, not all chicks. Lawrence: Well, the type of chicks that'd double up on a dude like me do. Peter Gibbons: Good point. Lawrence: Well, what about you now? what would you do? Peter Gibbons: Besides two chicks at the same time? Lawrence: Well, yeah. Peter Gibbons: Nothing. Lawrence: Nothing, huh? Peter Gibbons: I would relax... I would sit on my ### all day... I would do nothing. Lawrence: Well, you don't need a million dollars to do nothing, man. Take a look at my cousin: he's broke, don't do ####. [/office space]
 
Reed starting over Horton this week.
I have been wondering about Horton this season. There has been talk of guys not staying in their zones or areas, trying to do too much and such. Horton has been one of the only regular starters that has come out in some of the games, which led me to believe that maybe he was one of the guilty. Reed played well in preseason and has looked decent when he's played during the season. Maybe Horton is not sticking to his assignments as much and this is the result. Just a thought...
Maybe. But, my worry is on a play like last week's PI on Horton. Obviously it would have been nice if he didn't get the PI. But, I really don't think Doughty would have been in position to even get a PI. As long as they don't ask him to play deep too much, it'll be ok. Both Horton and Doughty are good run blitzers so I don't think the team loses anything there.
 
Seriously, can this team waste a better schedule than what they have to start this season? Here are their "easy" opponent's current scoring +/-.

Rams -49: -2 of that is from the Redskins. -47 from their other two opponents.

Lions -27: +5 from the Redskins. -32 from their other two opponents.

Bucs -50: Averaging a 17 point loss and the Redskins are favored by 7.

Panthers -50: Have a bye this week, so that's how they'll enter the Redskins game.

Chiefs -37: Play NYG and DAL the next two weeks before facing the Redskins.

Right now they're 1-1 against this pathetic string of opponents. And I have little confidence they'll be more than 2-3 in these 5 games.

 
Who got faked out of their jockstrap by Stafford on that 3rd down run that set up the first TD?
Andre Carter.And don't give me this crap that Portis isn't above average. He's still good. I don't watch him and see him as a problem. Yes, I think he has some attitude issues, but I think he's still a top talent. He needs the freakin' ball. Just because he isn't what he once was, does not make him average.And did someone say Haynesworth has been average? That's ridiculous.
hate to break the news to you, but CP is done. I love his warrior mentality, but he's been used up.disagree? do this. 1) get a DVR set top box like the $ one I have with my $ Verizon FIOS2) when they show the 4th down run of his to the left, hit the pause button, then go frame-by-frame.3) you'll see the DAMNING evidenceHe should have scored two ways1 - a nice cut-back to the right side of the beautiful seal block 47 Cooley applied and he walks in2 - follow 45 Sellers (instead of running up on him) and take it wide to the flag. Again, a walk in.
From John Keim:
Sellers was the guilty party on the failed run at the goal line. He was supposed to go through a different hole and take the linebacker. Had he done so, the Redskins would have scored easily. Sellers is a fierce player, but in the red zone he has not helped them lately. Doesn't always make the best decisions.
 
Reed starting over Horton this week.
I have been wondering about Horton this season. There has been talk of guys not staying in their zones or areas, trying to do too much and such. Horton has been one of the only regular starters that has come out in some of the games, which led me to believe that maybe he was one of the guilty. Reed played well in preseason and has looked decent when he's played during the season. Maybe Horton is not sticking to his assignments as much and this is the result. Just a thought...
That's exactly what it is. Horton is known as being undisciplined. He's sort of Lavar at safety, flying around and making big plays, but also missing assignments. That INT he had last year at Dallas, which everyone heralded as deceptive coverage that fooled Romo, was actually due to him lining up in the wrong spot and having to race over to make a play. Apparently he's not improved on those problems this past offseason.
 
Blache taking some responsibility:

"Quite candidly, in 2009, things got bad, somebody's got to go under the bus. Being the leader of this defense, I should be under the bus, and I'll dive under," Blache said. "If somebody won't throw me, I'll dive under. Because going under the bus, you hurt your feelings a little bit. And at worst you might end up with skid marks on both sides of your shorts.

"Like Sunday, I thought we were a better football team, but we didn't play better," Blache said. "So that comes back when you stop, when you look in the mirror, you go through all the details, that comes back to coaching.

"And quite candidly, have no problem accepting that. I've talked to the players about it. I've told them, 'I'll do a better job of giving them calls. I'll do a better job of helping them on third downs, put them in situations where they can be successful.' "
 
I already know what will happen as the week progresses and I hate myself for it. Towards the end of the week, I'll find some reason to be optimistic about just this one game. I actually believe that they could/should defeat the Bucs by a somewhat comfortable margin. That's the good thing about there being a full week between games. It gives me time to "get over it" and renew my optimism. If their next game was today, I'd rather eat the tickets than attend. But, I'll probably be there. And, once again, I'll probably leave in amazement at the end wondering how they could lose to a team like the lowly -50 Bucs.I'm such a friggin' idiot.
As predicted, for some reason I'm starting to feel ok about this week's game. Not confident, but just ok. Why? Oh yeah, because I'm an idiot.
 
Marvelous said:
Bizkiteer said:
dgreen said:
Anyone see Sherman Smith's weekly interview on CSN last night? He tends to rub me the wrong way. Last night he basically said they don't adjust their playcalling based on who is on the field. That seems stupid to me. I just don't like the "We have what we have" and "We're gonna call our offense" comments from the coaching staff. Gibbs took so much heat for taking all the blame for everything, but it would be nice if this staff would do that more often.

You can see it here.
They don't seem to make any adustments at all...in changing plays to gameplan. Not too surprising as it looks like we always run right to where the defense has it main group of players set up. There is this thing, it's call an audible...you can even do it in the Madden video game. :rolleyes:
The problem is the Redskins don't have any confidence runnig to the right or straight ahead. The other teams know this too. So on crucial running downs, they overload the left side, knowing that where the running play is going.
According to Casey Rabach, they don't have confidence during any run play. I've seen the quote below somewhere else, too, but today's copy of Sporting News Today has an article on "Reeling Redskins: Five things that need fixing" and the first item listed is the running game where Rabach says:
"I think we need to believe in ourselves when the run is called"
How does any OL in the NFL, let alone this OL, get to the point that they don't think they can be successful when asked to run block!? If that isn't a sure sign that there's something fundamentally missing from this team/organization, I don't know what is.
 
I already know what will happen as the week progresses and I hate myself for it. Towards the end of the week, I'll find some reason to be optimistic about just this one game. I actually believe that they could/should defeat the Bucs by a somewhat comfortable margin. That's the good thing about there being a full week between games. It gives me time to "get over it" and renew my optimism. If their next game was today, I'd rather eat the tickets than attend. But, I'll probably be there. And, once again, I'll probably leave in amazement at the end wondering how they could lose to a team like the lowly -50 Bucs.I'm such a friggin' idiot.
As predicted, for some reason I'm starting to feel ok about this week's game. Not confident, but just ok. Why? Oh yeah, because I'm an idiot.
Because like the rest of us u love this team.
 
I already know what will happen as the week progresses and I hate myself for it. Towards the end of the week, I'll find some reason to be optimistic about just this one game. I actually believe that they could/should defeat the Bucs by a somewhat comfortable margin. That's the good thing about there being a full week between games. It gives me time to "get over it" and renew my optimism. If their next game was today, I'd rather eat the tickets than attend. But, I'll probably be there. And, once again, I'll probably leave in amazement at the end wondering how they could lose to a team like the lowly -50 Bucs.I'm such a friggin' idiot.
As predicted, for some reason I'm starting to feel ok about this week's game. Not confident, but just ok. Why? Oh yeah, because I'm an idiot.
Time heals all wounds . . . except when Snyderrato is running your team. :goodposting:
 
I already know what will happen as the week progresses and I hate myself for it. Towards the end of the week, I'll find some reason to be optimistic about just this one game. I actually believe that they could/should defeat the Bucs by a somewhat comfortable margin. That's the good thing about there being a full week between games. It gives me time to "get over it" and renew my optimism. If their next game was today, I'd rather eat the tickets than attend. But, I'll probably be there. And, once again, I'll probably leave in amazement at the end wondering how they could lose to a team like the lowly -50 Bucs.I'm such a friggin' idiot.
As predicted, for some reason I'm starting to feel ok about this week's game. Not confident, but just ok. Why? Oh yeah, because I'm an idiot.
Because like the rest of us u love this team.
Love hurts, love scars,Love wounds, and marks,Any heart, not tough,Or strong, enoughTo take a lot of pain,Take a lot of painLove is like a cloudHolds a lot of rainLove hurts, ooh ooh love hurtsIm young, I know,But even soI know a thing, or twoI learned, from youI really learned a lot,Really learned a lotLove is like a flameIt burns you when its hotLove hurts, ooh ooh love hurtsSome fools think of happinessBlissfulness, togethernessSome fools fool themselves I guessTheyre not foolin meI know it isnt true,I know it isnt trueLove is just a lie,Made to make you blueLove hurts, ooh,ooh love hurtsOoh,ooh love hurtsI know it isnt true,I know it isnt trueLove is just a lie,Made to make you blueLove hurts, ooh ooh love hurtsOoh ooh love hurtsOoh ooh...
 
Redskins and Cowboys may be set to battle over Holmgren

By Mark Miller

Remember the days when Dallas Cowboys offensive coordinator Jason Garrett, the highest-paid assistant coach in NFL history, was considered the clear heir to head coach Wade Phillips' throne?

Well, a new name has come into the picture that could push Garrett right out of contention: former Green Bay Packers and Seattle Seahawks coach Mike Holmgren.

Holmgren wants to get back into the NFL next season and the word has been for a while that he'd love to be coaching the Washington Redskins. But the Cowboys may have interest in snagging Holmgren, too. Owner Jerry Jones isn't exactly known for backing down from getting what he wants.

The two teams are likely to both try and get Holmgren or Mike Shanahan to run things next season, according to ProFootballTalk.

Source: ProFootballTalk

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/...-eyeballing-dc/

Holmgren eyeballing D.C.?

Posted by Mike Florio on September 29, 2009 8:36 PM ET

Former Packers and Seahawks coach Mike Holmgren has been making no bones about his desire to return to the NFL in 2010.

And we've been hearing for months rumors that Holmgren would be very interested in becoming the next coach of the Washington Redskins.

Earlier today, Peter King of SI.com provided some meat for that bone, in an appearance with Chris Russo of Mag Dog Unleashed on Sirius XM Radio.

"I've heard a lot of people say in the last few days, 'Oh, Holmgren wouldn't want to go to Washington,'" King said. "Keep one thing in mind in December when all this stuff starts to go down. Remember where you heard this. Mike Holmgren last year, Thanksgiving weekend, I'm sitting in his office in Seattle and he says, 'You know, I'm going to take this next year off but after that I'll give you a cool little theory for what I might do.' I said, 'What?' And he says, 'I've coached in the Midwest with Green Bay and I grew up playing and coaching out west -- Brigham Young, the 49ers, Seattle.' And he said, 'I'd really love to try the East Coast. That brand of football where you wake up on Sunday morning and it's the most important thing. There aren't 800 things to do. Where you're in East Rutherford or Philly or Washington and it's so important.'

"He said, 'I'd really love to try football on the East Coast.' So do not eliminate Mike Holmgren when you start talking about coaching candidates for [Redskins owner] Dan Snyder."

So we think it'll be Holmgren and Shanahan jockeying for position in D.C., and the Redskins and Cowboys in a possible tug of war to get their preferred candidate.

That's why we don't rule out the 'Skins launching the process before the end of the season, in order to get a crack at Holmgren or Shanahan, before Jerry Jones does.

 
dgreen said:
Blache taking some responsibility:

"Quite candidly, in 2009, things got bad, somebody's got to go under the bus. Being the leader of this defense, I should be under the bus, and I'll dive under," Blache said. "If somebody won't throw me, I'll dive under. Because going under the bus, you hurt your feelings a little bit. And at worst you might end up with skid marks on both sides of your shorts.

"Like Sunday, I thought we were a better football team, but we didn't play better," Blache said. "So that comes back when you stop, when you look in the mirror, you go through all the details, that comes back to coaching.

"And quite candidly, have no problem accepting that. I've talked to the players about it. I've told them, 'I'll do a better job of giving them calls. I'll do a better job of helping them on third downs, put them in situations where they can be successful.' "
If you hear the audio you'll realize he sounded quite sarcastic, and like a guy blaming the press instead of taking responsibility. The rest of it ---- "giving them calls", "helping them", "put them in situations where they can be successfull" --- that just condescending coach talk for "I'm not changing, they have to play better."

I've pretty much had it with his defensive scheme. Contain, contain, contain, and if containment doesn't work go to plan B which is contain, contain, contain. This defense needs to get after people and his scheme prevents it.

 
hate to break the news to you, but CP is done. I love his warrior mentality, but he's been used up.disagree? do this. 1) get a DVR set top box like the $ one I have with my $ Verizon FIOS2) when they show the 4th down run of his to the left, hit the pause button, then go frame-by-frame.3) you'll see the DAMNING evidenceHe should have scored two ways1 - a nice cut-back to the right side of the beautiful seal block 47 Cooley applied and he walks in2 - follow 45 Sellers (instead of running up on him) and take it wide to the flag. Again, a walk in.
Buster, the reason you get so much grief here sometimes is because you go overboard with the negativity and see things that aren't there some of the time. If there was any kind of an O-line in front of him Portis would do fine. And with the crap O-line we have, it's a wonder he's gained what he's gained. He's hardly the problem with the offense and he's not "done" as a quality starting RB. Plenty of ability is still there.
 
Maroney=Sped said:
That's exactly what it is. Horton is known as being undisciplined. He's sort of Lavar at safety, flying around and making big plays, but also missing assignments. That INT he had last year at Dallas, which everyone heralded as deceptive coverage that fooled Romo, was actually due to him lining up in the wrong spot and having to race over to make a play. Apparently he's not improved on those problems this past offseason.
Larry Weisman was on the Sports Reporters today and said that Doughty was starting because of Horton's PI penalty last week, Horton was out of position on some other plays, and Doughty is better at blitzing. He thinks they may blitz Tampa more.
 
ChrisCooleyFan said:
That's why we don't rule out the 'Skins launching the process before the end of the season, in order to get a crack at Holmgren or Shanahan, before Jerry Jones does.
I think Jerry Jones would be a reason a coach would not like to coach for Dallas.
 
ChrisCooleyFan said:
That's why we don't rule out the 'Skins launching the process before the end of the season, in order to get a crack at Holmgren or Shanahan, before Jerry Jones does.
I think Jerry Jones would be a reason a coach would not like to coach for Dallas.
I think Dan Snyder would be a reason a coach would not like to coach for Washington. :rolleyes:
 
I don't have time to do it, but if someone could please head over to the 'Sports Bog' - by Dan Steinberg for the Washington Post, and copy/paste the whole thing, he's got an article there citing George Michael's (affectionately referred to as 'The King' by Czaban), reasons for 'Why Fans Hate Snyderatto'...it's critical reading and will make a valuable addition to this Thread. TIA.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsb...rss=dcsportsbog

 
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I don't have time to do it, but if someone could please head over to the 'Sports Bog' - by Dan Steinberg for the Washington Post, and copy/paste the whole thing, he's got an article there citing George Michael's (affectionately referred to as 'The King' by Czaban), reasons for 'Why Fans Hate Snyderatto'...it's critical reading and will make a valuable addition to this Thread. TIA.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsb...rss=dcsportsbog
George Michael on Why Fans Hate Snyderrato

There might not be a single person in Washington better able to understand the Redskins from both the fans' and ownership's point of view than George Michael. Of course, he's an inveterate homer and is pals with Daniel Snyder and has taken his cash and all that, but he also knows how to keep it real, when so inclined. Thursday was one of those times. During a massive 30-minute appearance on 106.7 The Fan's Mike Wise Show, Michael attempted to explain what's gone wrong in Ashburn.

(Podcast here, soon.)

"You all want to dump it on Dan Snyder," Michael said. "I understand that. I understand that. I don't think Dan does. I don't think he understands why people hate him so. The truth is--and I've got to give you full disclosure, everybody knows that I am friends with Dan Snyder, not in the sense that I'm in the tank for him, but he is a friend, I admit that. But Dan doesn't even understand what he does wrong. He doesn't even understand the things he does wrong. If the fans knew how bad he wants to win, they would go my God, he wants to win as much as I do."

So, why, then, have things gone so badly from a PR standpoint?

"It's Dan's fault...and that's a shame," said Michael, who then described the "absolute chaos" in Ashburn when Snyder took over the team.

"I mean, Norv hated Charley so bad," he went on. "So now Dan Snyder inherits it. People from day 1 hated Dan Snyder because he was 35 years old, bought the team for $850 million, and his neighbors told the Washington Post, he's a jerk. And that is when it started.

"And then down in Atlanta when he got the team, he didn't know how to handle the media, he didn't have someone with him who could help him handle the media and talk. And I remember vividly he whisking himself out of the Westin hotel and Wally Bruckner...along with 25 other people trying to keep up with him,.Wally ran into a door and knocked those $200,000 doors off their hinges in the Westin hotel....People did not like Dan from the get go, and the truth is, I don't think people know him. And then he'll do things like LaVar said, he would go into the locker room and glare. What Dan wants is accountability. He wants accountability.

"He never went into the locker room and glared when Joe Gibbs was the coach. That did not happen with Joe Gibbs. Because Gibbs went before the public after that loss to the Buffalo Bills and said, 'I lost this game.' Now coach, that's a load of horse manure. He did not lose the game. It sticks with me every day of my life, but that's the kind of man Joe Gibbs was. Another coach was yelling in his ear, 'Call another timeout, call another timeout.' He called the second timeout....To take the heat, to take the heat off of the guys who screwed up on the field, to take the heat off the safety...Gibbs goes before the public and says, 'I Lost This Game.' "

The implication being certain other Redskins coaches might want to adopt a similar approach. Interestingly, Greg Blache today took blame for the defensive struggles and told reporters to throw him under the bus. As for Cerrato, Michael was asked who really makes the personnel decisions.

"Let me tell you the truth: Dan does make I think most of those big-type decisions," Michael said. "He says 'Let's get this guy, let's get that guy.' And the guy that takes the heat for it--and it's why I think he's never gotten fired--is Vinny Cerrato. Now, Cerrato's painted as a bozo, but the truth is, what did Vinny Cerrato do for the team? Look at Chris Horton. That's the kind of guy he gets."

So Wise asked Michael if he thinks Cerrato is a capable talent evaluator.

"Oh, there's no ifs buts or ands," Michael said. "I mean, I know that for a fact, I know that from other people around the league. Here's the problem Mike--and God, I can't believe I'm telling all this truth--Vinny Cerrato is a ZERO when it comes to public relations and building relationships with people in the world. I'm sorry. My Good God. He doesn't ask why don't people like me, but you've got to go out and you've got to do things....I feel bad that Cerrato has not gone out and tried to build these relationships."

Michael presumably has a bead on Jim Zorn's future, and he agreed when Wise said the Skins need to win two out of the next three and be respectable in all of them. Michael then managed to compare Zorn to Lindsay Czarniak (as an undiscovered talent), and to insist that Snyder wants to stick with him.

"I will tell you this, and folks, please write this down--Dan Snyder does not want to fire Jim Zorn," Michael said. "Believe me, on my kid's life, he doesn't want to fire Zorn. Let me tell you, he does not want to fire Jim Zorn....

"You have to take gambles, and that's what they did with Zorn," he continued. "Dan Snyder put his name, his stamp, his reputation on Jim Zorn. If Jim doesn't deliver what Dan Snyder thinks is a good deal, then there's no telling when it could end. But I must tell you this, after you lose to the Detroit Lions--and I do personally love this guy Jim Zorn, he's a great guy--you cannot go before the public and say we're making improvements. Dear God, if you're making improvement and losing to the 0-19 Lions, my ### is grass and you're the lawnmower. We're in trouble, baby."

More highlights, and again, please listen to it all here. It was awesome.

On the Marty experiment: "Here's the deal guys, he should never have hired Marty Schottenheimer....I said to [snyder's relatives], I said folks, within six months you will regret the decision to have hired Marty Schottenheimer. The first day of training camp, Fred Drasner, who owned the team, turned to me and said, 'We oughta fire this son of a ##### today.' You don't know what Marty Schottenheimer is, you don't know what he is until you live with him, until you work with him."

On Gregg Williams not getting hired: "I love Gregg Williams. He's a dear dear friend, but he could not have coexisted with Dan Snyder. Haven't you ever met someone in life that you just don't like?"

On Sonny vs. Zorn: "No one was at fault. You have to understand, Sonny is a Redskins fan, and he was so frustrated, he voiced his own feeling as a fan. He and I talked maybe 15 minutes after he did it, and I said Sonny, it was a great question but the wrong time and the wrong place....It came after a victory, and after you win, even as godawful, ugly as it was, I don't need to go in and say to you that was a BS call, coach. You know, let it go. Sonny could have held that thought til Monday."

On the Future: "There IS NO QUICK FIX. If anyone thinks anyone can turn this around over night, they are badly mistaken....Here is the deal: There IS NO QUICK FIX. Who's been the face of the franchise? Clinton Portis. What has Clinton Portis done for me lately? Everybody knows that I'm in the tank for Clinton, I love the guy. I don't want him to deliver my loaf of bread right now! He can't carry the dadgum loaf of bread to my front door much less get me one yard at the 4th-and-goal at the 1, so I don't want that. So I put $100 million on Albert Haynesworth--ooooh, I hurt my hip, I can't play the next 25 plays. And then I've got Jason, God love you, Jason, if I can see Antwaan Randle-El standing by himself with no one within 100 yards of him...then the quarterback's got to see it.

"And when things like that are happening, it becomes very frustrating. And that's why Zorn says we're making improvements, what he should have said was folks there were plays where we had guys that were ready to score touchdowns but we didn't get the ball in their hands. That I would have understood."

On Snyder's Popularity: "I saw a poll the other day where 52 percent of the people believe that the Redskins' problems are Dan Snyder's fault. When you put yourself up front as I'm gonna be the leader of this band and the band is totally out of step, then people are gonna blame you. Now the truth is that right now, I've got to be honest with you guys, I wish that Monday Jim Zorn would have stepped up and said, 'I am the one who screwed up this band, I'm the one that has us out of step.' Instead, he said the team is making progress. We're not making progress when you lose to the 0-19 Lions. That is not making progress."
 
Thanks George Michael for sharing, but basically you said NOTHING. It's nice to know or confirm we all thought or have speculated before.

 
Reed starting over Horton this week.
I have been wondering about Horton this season. There has been talk of guys not staying in their zones or areas, trying to do too much and such. Horton has been one of the only regular starters that has come out in some of the games, which led me to believe that maybe he was one of the guilty. Reed played well in preseason and has looked decent when he's played during the season. Maybe Horton is not sticking to his assignments as much and this is the result. Just a thought...
Maybe. But, my worry is on a play like last week's PI on Horton. Obviously it would have been nice if he didn't get the PI. But, I really don't think Doughty would have been in position to even get a PI. As long as they don't ask him to play deep too much, it'll be ok. Both Horton and Doughty are good run blitzers so I don't think the team loses anything there.
I was a little surprised that Horton was one on one in deep pass coverage on that play. We all know that's not his forte. And he usually plays much closer to the line of scrimmage.
 
dgreen said:
Blache taking some responsibility:

"Quite candidly, in 2009, things got bad, somebody's got to go under the bus. Being the leader of this defense, I should be under the bus, and I'll dive under," Blache said. "If somebody won't throw me, I'll dive under. Because going under the bus, you hurt your feelings a little bit. And at worst you might end up with skid marks on both sides of your shorts.

"Like Sunday, I thought we were a better football team, but we didn't play better," Blache said. "So that comes back when you stop, when you look in the mirror, you go through all the details, that comes back to coaching.

"And quite candidly, have no problem accepting that. I've talked to the players about it. I've told them, 'I'll do a better job of giving them calls. I'll do a better job of helping them on third downs, put them in situations where they can be successful.' "
Took him 4 pre-season games + 3 regular season games and 4 days to say it. No, Blache is not subborn or hard headed...don't let anyone tell you that he is. :lol:
 
dgreen said:
I already know what will happen as the week progresses and I hate myself for it. Towards the end of the week, I'll find some reason to be optimistic about just this one game. I actually believe that they could/should defeat the Bucs by a somewhat comfortable margin. That's the good thing about there being a full week between games. It gives me time to "get over it" and renew my optimism. If their next game was today, I'd rather eat the tickets than attend. But, I'll probably be there. And, once again, I'll probably leave in amazement at the end wondering how they could lose to a team like the lowly -50 Bucs.I'm such a friggin' idiot.
As predicted, for some reason I'm starting to feel ok about this week's game. Not confident, but just ok. Why? Oh yeah, because I'm an idiot.
I fell for it last week. I need proof on a field before I turn optimistic again. Or at least a headline filled offseason. I am still thinking 4-12 and I am not budging until I see some good football.
 
Reed starting over Horton this week.
I have been wondering about Horton this season. There has been talk of guys not staying in their zones or areas, trying to do too much and such. Horton has been one of the only regular starters that has come out in some of the games, which led me to believe that maybe he was one of the guilty. Reed played well in preseason and has looked decent when he's played during the season. Maybe Horton is not sticking to his assignments as much and this is the result. Just a thought...
Maybe. But, my worry is on a play like last week's PI on Horton. Obviously it would have been nice if he didn't get the PI. But, I really don't think Doughty would have been in position to even get a PI. As long as they don't ask him to play deep too much, it'll be ok. Both Horton and Doughty are good run blitzers so I don't think the team loses anything there.
I was a little surprised that Horton was one on one in deep pass coverage on that play. We all know that's not his forte. And he usually plays much closer to the line of scrimmage.
I'm still surprised at any Redskins fan that says it wasn't PI because it clearly was PI. Had that been reversed and a 'Skins WR bumped like that...everyone w/ B & G on or in their heart would have leaped to their feet and yelled.As for Landry, he was probably lining someone up to hit or jump on for a piggie back ride.
 
dgreen said:
I already know what will happen as the week progresses and I hate myself for it. Towards the end of the week, I'll find some reason to be optimistic about just this one game. I actually believe that they could/should defeat the Bucs by a somewhat comfortable margin. That's the good thing about there being a full week between games. It gives me time to "get over it" and renew my optimism. If their next game was today, I'd rather eat the tickets than attend. But, I'll probably be there. And, once again, I'll probably leave in amazement at the end wondering how they could lose to a team like the lowly -50 Bucs.

I'm such a friggin' idiot.
As predicted, for some reason I'm starting to feel ok about this week's game. Not confident, but just ok. Why? Oh yeah, because I'm an idiot.
I fell for it last week. I need proof on a field before I turn optimistic again. Or at least a headline filled offseason. I am still thinking 4-12 and I am not budging until I see some good football.
:lol: I agree...doesn't mean I will not watch or cheer, but I can't count on them or become optimistic when there isn't anything that warrants that view. Show me first and then I'll start to get hopes back up.

 
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ChrisCooleyFan said:
That's why we don't rule out the 'Skins launching the process before the end of the season, in order to get a crack at Holmgren or Shanahan, before Jerry Jones does.
I think Jerry Jones would be a reason a coach would not like to coach for Dallas.
If I was a head coaching candidate choosing between Jones and Snyder, I would pick Jones every day of the week and twice on Sundays. It's not even close. Unless Danny pays me twice as much.
 
ChrisCooleyFan said:
That's why we don't rule out the 'Skins launching the process before the end of the season, in order to get a crack at Holmgren or Shanahan, before Jerry Jones does.
I think Jerry Jones would be a reason a coach would not like to coach for Dallas.
If I was a head coaching candidate choosing between Jones and Snyder, I would pick Jones every day of the week and twice on Sundays. It's not even close. Unless Danny pays me twice as much.
But would Jerry want you? Jerry likes most of his coaches to be STUPID, so they can be a puppet for him. DanMan and Boy Blunder are just meddlesome in that they like to chase BIG names and make idiotic personnel moves. Basically choose your poisen, but note that poisen might not want to choose you.
 
;) I agree...doesn't mean I will not watch or cheer, but I can't count on them or become optimistic when there isn't anything that warrants that view. Show me first and then I'll start to get hopes back up.
I don't know if I could tell you the last time I've felt good or optimistic watching the Redskins play. I didn't even really enjoy the Gibbs II era because of Brunell. I was so disappointed the way he treated Ramsey. Even when they've been playing good, I havn't been happy with what I've seen. The defense seemingly never gets sacks or turnovers and the offense has been bland and uninspired....and I think I've officially turned the corner on Portis, I'm sick of him. First off, again, Gibbs ruined him by turning him into an electric back with gamebreaker capabilities into a power back. It was like watching someone go out and buying a triplecrown horse and hitching it to a yoke and having it plow fields all day. But today I heard the junkies playing an interview with him where he was talking about guys in the lockerroom trying to go around and get people pumped up for the game and he was having none of it saying he didn't need to be pumped up for a game, he goes out there and gives it his all. He's way too nonchalant about playing and that just soured me on him, and IMO that's what's wrong with this team. We lack anyone who seems genuinely excited to be playing, let alone playing to win. As much as I hate him, Ray Lewis probably gets pumped up to watch two 7 year olds play madden. We need someone like that, not just a bunch of guys who think they can go on the field and turn it on simply because that's what they get (over)paid to do.
 
But would Jerry want you? Jerry likes most of his coaches to be STUPID, so they can be a puppet for him. DanMan and Boy Blunder are just meddlesome in that they like to chase BIG names and make idiotic personnel moves. Basically choose your poisen, but note that poisen might not want to choose you.
I think the beltbuckle kid likes 'em dumb too, look at Spurrier and Zorn. He wants someone who will leap when he says leap, otherwise we would have Gregg Williams as a head coach right now.
 
dgreen said:
Blache taking some responsibility:

"Quite candidly, in 2009, things got bad, somebody's got to go under the bus. Being the leader of this defense, I should be under the bus, and I'll dive under," Blache said. "If somebody won't throw me, I'll dive under. Because going under the bus, you hurt your feelings a little bit. And at worst you might end up with skid marks on both sides of your shorts.

"Like Sunday, I thought we were a better football team, but we didn't play better," Blache said. "So that comes back when you stop, when you look in the mirror, you go through all the details, that comes back to coaching.

"And quite candidly, have no problem accepting that. I've talked to the players about it. I've told them, 'I'll do a better job of giving them calls. I'll do a better job of helping them on third downs, put them in situations where they can be successful.' "
If you hear the audio you'll realize he sounded quite sarcastic, and like a guy blaming the press instead of taking responsibility. The rest of it ---- "giving them calls", "helping them", "put them in situations where they can be successfull" --- that just condescending coach talk for "I'm not changing, they have to play better."

I've pretty much had it with his defensive scheme. Contain, contain, contain, and if containment doesn't work go to plan B which is contain, contain, contain. This defense needs to get after people and his scheme prevents it.
Well that's disappointing, but I should have guessed that was the case.
 
hate to break the news to you, but CP is done. I love his warrior mentality, but he's been used up.disagree? do this. 1) get a DVR set top box like the $ one I have with my $ Verizon FIOS2) when they show the 4th down run of his to the left, hit the pause button, then go frame-by-frame.3) you'll see the DAMNING evidenceHe should have scored two ways1 - a nice cut-back to the right side of the beautiful seal block 47 Cooley applied and he walks in2 - follow 45 Sellers (instead of running up on him) and take it wide to the flag. Again, a walk in.
Buster, the reason you get so much grief here sometimes is because you go overboard with the negativity and see things that aren't there some of the time. If there was any kind of an O-line in front of him Portis would do fine. And with the crap O-line we have, it's a wonder he's gained what he's gained. He's hardly the problem with the offense and he's not "done" as a quality starting RB. Plenty of ability is still there.
watch the tape, fatso.I'm on record as being a CP believer. Still love his tough warrior mentality when he steps onto the field. If we have 22 guy like him, we're a much better team.Look, the OL is dog meat - that much we can agree on. but look at the tape! While I did omit the fact (in #2 above) that 45 starts to veer into the line, running up on 66 Dockerty, if you're following that as a RB, do you want to run up on him or do you want to take it wide to the edge? A pro RB either cuts back inside the nice Cooley seal or takes it to the flag. CP staggered into his blocking. Run the tape and see for yourself.
 
Defensive coordinator Greg Blache's mea culpa Thursday included an offer to throw himself "under the bus," a vow to no longer be "handcuffed" in his calls, and the announcement of a switch at starting strong safety from Chris Horton to Reed Doughty.

"I've got to just be a little bit more of a maverick," Blache said, "not necessarily a 'McCain-Palin maverick,' but a Bret or Bart kind of Maverick, and be a little bit more of a riverboat gambler."

Whether this was Blache signaling a real, substantive scheme change - more blitzing, say - or an example of a coach trying to shoulder criticism so the players on the Redskins (1-2) don't have to bear the brunt of attention was not entirely clear.
I'll believe it when I see it, and if I see it I'll be glad. I'm tired of watching the defense playing scared and stifled.
"We're making fine-tune adjustments," Zorn said. "We're not going to have a bunch of new and exciting things. We're not going to reinvent the wheel."
I don't think the light bulb went on yet. Fox Sports

 
Jarmon needs to play more and get experience, I think there is good hope for him, especially considering how short of time he's been with the team.
Some promising info re: Jarmon:
Defensive end Jeremy Jarmon, the 21-year-old former Kentucky standout, is heading into just the fourth game of his NFL career. But he played more snaps on defense in last week's loss at Detroit than he did in the first two games combined.

"I'm definitely caught up," said Jarmon, who was taken in the third round of the July 16 supplemental draft, long after Barnes and his fellow rookies had finished minicamp and organized team activities. "My leash at this point is gone. They expect me, if I'm out there, to get it right."

Jarmon's role could expand soon. He already is ahead of 13-year veteran end Renaldo Wynn, who has been inactive all three games. And Phillip Daniels turns 37 in March.
 
But would Jerry want you? Jerry likes most of his coaches to be STUPID, so they can be a puppet for him. DanMan and Boy Blunder are just meddlesome in that they like to chase BIG names and make idiotic personnel moves. Basically choose your poisen, but note that poisen might not want to choose you.
I think the beltbuckle kid likes 'em dumb too, look at Spurrier and Zorn. He wants someone who will leap when he says leap, otherwise we would have Gregg Williams as a head coach right now.
Well, remember Spurrier was supposed to be an offensive genius. Just too bad his smarts were only good for Pop Warner....errrr....College.
 

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