***Official*** 2009 Washington Redskins Thread (1 Viewer)

[DCThunder]

Yeah, the Defense played OK, but Carlos Rogers is STILL looking for Desean Jackson on that double move for the TD on 3rd and 23. And McNabb certainly helped by being somewhat erratic in his throws. If it'd been Peyton Manning or Drew Brees at QB for the Eagles, this game would have been the epic trainwreck some predicted and hoped for.

They played just well enough on offense for Vinny to say "see, it worked" and "I know what I'm doing" to both Snyder and the fans. This game bought him at least two more weeks, but the Falcon game in Atlanta, Denver game here and then the Cowboys down there will tell the tale.

 

[ArlingtonTerp]

It's understandable that he's constantly worried about the rush, but he has to ignore that in order to make plays.

Campbell already is an expert at ignoring the rush

 

[Sidewinder16]

2. I liked the play calling a lot better. I counded 3 rollout (bootleg) passes. Zorn never calls them. They also passed into the endzone (Thomas's TD, Davis TD, and at least one other to Davis).

Sherm also called the fade to Moss in the back corner of the endzone. Wasn't that a previous criticism of Zorn's play callying?I didn't see anything remarkably improved about the play calling. The rollouts worked and were nice to see, but you can't run them every play. You have to be able to drop back and pass. If you have to call rollouts to complete a pass, the inherent problem isn't with the play calling. And it's not as if Zorn never called for passes in the endzone.The use of "trick plays" has previously been criticized, too, but their failure has far more to do with the players than the coaches. We saw last night how good a trick play can be when the players run it well.

 

[Sebowski]

I hope we use Cooley's roster spot to sign Garcia. Cut Collins or Campbell if we have to.

For what purpose? This team is 2-5 and going nowhere. If you're going to acquire a QB, it may as well be someone with a future, right? I'll say it again- I'd like for the team to get Josh Johnson.

for the purpose of "you play to win the games". Garcia would give us our best chance to win. How would we get Johnson? Trade deadline passed.

 

[dgreen]

Don't sell Fred Davis short. He's a good and maybe very good receiving TE. Those of us who watched him play at USC knew that and were enthusiastic about him, and maybe now you can understand how it was driving us nuts not to see some 2-TE sets that actually sent both TE's out into routes. He's a great example of how the coaches have simply failed to use the talent they have.

Coaches rave about him and rarely use him. Before yesterday, we pretty much only saw a few TE screens to him.You know what I really, really, really want? Something new. Something innovative. I mean, yeah, I'll settle for a decent team based on a well-established system like the WCO. But, I'm dying for some innovation around here. I'm dying for us to have something that other teams are saying, "Hey, what are they doing over there in Washington? Let's study them."

 

[Sidewinder16]

Cerrato (hopefully) digging his hole deeper and deeper:

In an interview with ESPN before the game, Redskins executive vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato defended the decision to hand Sherm Lewis the playcalling duties.

“He has the experience and it’s like riding a bike, you don’t ride a bike for a couple of years, you get back on, it’s easy to ride the bike,” Cerrato said. “He’s been in this offense 20-some years, calling these plays and knowing this offense. He knows this offense backward and forward.”

Asked about the five-day delay in giving Zorn a tepid vote of confidence, Cerrato said: “Dan [snyder], myself and the organization want this to be successful. We expected to be 3-3 [after entering the KC game 2-3]. It took a little bit of time to recover from the loss and then figure out what we’re going to do and what’s what we did.”

That's hilarious. They waited five minutes after the game to make the play-calling decision.

Cerrato continues to disagree with Hall of Fame receiver Steve Largent’s comments about the decision being a “joke.”

“I don’t agree with a lot of things Steve said,” Cerrato said. “He has a right to have a comment but a lot of the things he said, he doesn’t really know any detail of what we talked about.”

-- Ryan O'Halloran

 

[dgreen]

2. I liked the play calling a lot better. I counded 3 rollout (bootleg) passes. Zorn never calls them. They also passed into the endzone (Thomas's TD, Davis TD, and at least one other to Davis).

Sherm also called the fade to Moss in the back corner of the endzone. Wasn't that a previous criticism of Zorn's play callying?

I hated the playcall at first simply because it was to a short receiver. But, after the replay, it was actually a very nice pass. Moss should make that play if he wants to be considered a WR1. Would have been nice to see that go to a taller WR, though.

 

[dgreen]

We saw last night how good a trick play can be when the players run it well.

You know a major difference between the Eagles and Redskins? How quickly they get into their screens and reverses. I'm not just talking about how their players are faster. Our screens and reverses just develop slowly. They appear to be designed that way. And I think that extra second gives defenses a better chance to identify what's about to happen.

 

[Sidewinder16]

We saw last night how good a trick play can be when the players run it well.

You know a major difference between the Eagles and Redskins? How quickly they get into their screens and reverses. I'm not just talking about how their players are faster. Our screens and reverses just develop slowly. They appear to be designed that way. And I think that extra second gives defenses a better chance to identify what's about to happen.

I hadn't noticed that but you may be right. For screens, I'm not sure it's quite as big a deal (but I'm just a schmoe watching football from my couch). Generally, the effectiveness of a screen comes from selling the defense on one thing and then doing another (for ex., HB screen, you sell pass downfield then dump to HB; WR screen, you sell run inside then throw outside) so giving the play a second or two to really draw the D away seems like it would be beneficial. For reverses/end arounds, though, the success comes from the sudden change in direction, so in that regard it would seem very beneficial to start the play flowing one way and then quickly change the direction (as we saw last night).

 

[Sidewinder16]

It was nice to see Hall stand in against a FB and make a solid tackle, but Gruden got a little excessive in his praise for Hall's "contributions" in run game tackling.

 

[Maroney=Sped]

2. I liked the play calling a lot better. I counded 3 rollout (bootleg) passes. Zorn never calls them. They also passed into the endzone (Thomas's TD, Davis TD, and at least one other to Davis).

Sherm also called the fade to Moss in the back corner of the endzone. Wasn't that a previous criticism of Zorn's play callying?

I hated the playcall at first simply because it was to a short receiver. But, after the replay, it was actually a very nice pass. Moss should make that play if he wants to be considered a WR1. Would have been nice to see that go to a taller WR, though.

Liked the play call, liked the pass. Moss probably should catch that, but it looked to me like his vision may have been blocked by the defender's left hand. It was a good defensive play.

 

[dgreen]

As expected, Zorn said today that both Cooley and Samuels will likely head to IR this week. So, two roster spots to fill. Zorn apparently said they'll look for a TE to take Cooley's spot. Who was the other vet OL still out there? Runyon? None of the young guys on this roster appear to be promising. They need to put some OL together that can do something, anything for Campbell's health. It's important to try and play well down the stretch for the guys who will be here next year. They can't do that with this line.

 

[jenja]

I hope we use Cooley's roster spot to sign Garcia. Cut Collins or Campbell if we have to.

For what purpose? This team is 2-5 and going nowhere. If you're going to acquire a QB, it may as well be someone with a future, right? I'll say it again- I'd like for the team to get Josh Johnson.

for the purpose of "you play to win the games". Garcia would give us our best chance to win.

Agreed. Why not go out and grab him? If anything, at least we have a vetern Qb on the roster that has won games. We will need a vetern QB for next season anyway so why not? Todd Collins is not starter material. A rookie QB that we may or may not draft won't be the answer either, especially with all the work we have to do on the line. At this point, anything is better then what we have going on now.

 

[dgreen]

I hope we use Cooley's roster spot to sign Garcia. Cut Collins or Campbell if we have to.

For what purpose? This team is 2-5 and going nowhere. If you're going to acquire a QB, it may as well be someone with a future, right? I'll say it again- I'd like for the team to get Josh Johnson.

for the purpose of "you play to win the games". Garcia would give us our best chance to win.

Agreed. Why not go out and grab him? If anything, at least we have a vetern Qb on the roster that has won games. We will need a vetern QB for next season anyway so why not? Todd Collins is not starter material. A rookie QB that we may or may not draft won't be the answer either, especially with all the work we have to do on the line. At this point, anything is better then what we have going on now.

How much would you have to pay Garcia to come get his brains beat in every week?

 

[southeastjerome]

I hope we use Cooley's roster spot to sign Garcia. Cut Collins or Campbell if we have to.

For what purpose? This team is 2-5 and going nowhere. If you're going to acquire a QB, it may as well be someone with a future, right? I'll say it again- I'd like for the team to get Josh Johnson.

for the purpose of "you play to win the games". Garcia would give us our best chance to win.

Agreed. Why not go out and grab him? If anything, at least we have a vetern Qb on the roster that has won games. We will need a vetern QB for next season anyway so why not? Todd Collins is not starter material. A rookie QB that we may or may not draft won't be the answer either, especially with all the work we have to do on the line. At this point, anything is better then what we have going on now.

How much would you have to pay Garcia to come get his brains beat in every week?

Not that I want him, but I think Garcia pretty much would go anywhere to start.

 

[dgreen]

How much would you have to pay Garcia to come get his brains beat in every week?

Not that I want him, but I think Garcia pretty much would go anywhere to start.

I honestly think he'd have to consider the fact the he could suffer a serious injury playing behind this OL. Of course, professional athletes will do just about anything to keep playing. See: Samuels, Chris.

 

[dgreen]

According to David Elfin:

Despite the obvious plethora of green in the stands on Monday night, Redskins general counsel Dave Donovan just claimed on WJFK-106.7 that there was "hardly an Eagles fan" in the announced crowd of 88,241 at FedEx Field.

Right. And the Redskins have the NFL's best offense. And Jim Zorn will be Washington's coach in 2010.

A) Why was Redskins general counsel on 106.7 today?B) It did appear there were fewer Eagles fans than I expected. Doesn't mean I'd say there were "hardly" any there, but still.

 

[duckhook]

None of us have a clue what Snyder is thinking. Conceited people like him argue themselves into bad positions all the time - justifying their thinking the whole way. 99.9% of us would say firing Vinny is a first step in the right direction. From a marketing perspective, firing Vinny is the best way Snyder can win back the fans. It also helps keep his revenue stream up. So I think it will happen. But who to replace him with?

Personally, I'd like to see them hire a GM with experience at GM, rather than a former coach turned GM. Then let that GM hire a coach they trust and can build with. Together, they can find a QB, players, and other coaches that fit their Off/Def system. It the way PIT, IND, and NE have built themselves, and I can't think of any reason to do it any other way, except arrongance.

Here is an old article on the best GM candidates out there. There are good candidates not on this list - Bill Polian Jr for example. A couple already got new jobs. Will the qualified ones will work for Snyder? Money talks, but so does job happiness.

Interesting tandems likely to be available:

Bruce Allen/John Gruden

Floyd Reese/Jeff Fisher

Kevin Colbert/Bill Cowher

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8...mp;confirm=true

 

[Marvelous]

I hope we use Cooley's roster spot to sign Garcia. Cut Collins or Campbell if we have to.

For what purpose? This team is 2-5 and going nowhere. If you're going to acquire a QB, it may as well be someone with a future, right? I'll say it again- I'd like for the team to get Josh Johnson.

This season is pretty much lost. They should sign some diamonds in the rough and see if they can polish them off. Cutting Collins does nothing to help and it will hurt team morale. The team has already seen managment by panic and it does not help.

 

[TankRizzo]

None of us have a clue what Snyder is thinking. Conceited people like him argue themselves into bad positions all the time - justifying their thinking the whole way. 99.9% of us would say firing Vinny is a first step in the right direction. From a marketing perspective, firing Vinny is the best way Snyder can win back the fans. It also helps keep his revenue stream up. So I think it will happen. But who to replace him with?



Personally, I'd like to see them hire a GM with experience at GM, rather than a former coach turned GM. Then let that GM hire a coach they trust and can build with. Together, they can find a QB, players, and other coaches that fit their Off/Def system. It the way PIT, IND, and NE have built themselves, and I can't think of any reason to do it any other way, except arrongance.

Here is an old article on the best GM candidates out there. There are good candidates not on this list - Bill Polian Jr for example. A couple already got new jobs. Will the qualified ones will work for Snyder? Money talks, but so does job happiness.

Interesting tandems likely to be available:

Bruce Allen/John Gruden

Floyd Reese/Jeff Fisher

Kevin Colbert/Bill Cowher

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8...mp;confirm=true

I think that's my biggest contention with bringing in Bruce Allen as GM. He already comes pre-installed with the head coach. I'd rather hire a GM who is actually going to interview and hire the best candidate, not a guy who is going to come in and interview their Rooney rule guy and then hire their buddy that their familiar with.

 

[Marvelous]

According to David Elfin:

Despite the obvious plethora of green in the stands on Monday night, Redskins general counsel Dave Donovan just claimed on WJFK-106.7 that there was "hardly an Eagles fan" in the announced crowd of 88,241 at FedEx Field.

Right. And the Redskins have the NFL's best offense. And Jim Zorn will be Washington's coach in 2010.

A) Why was Redskins general counsel on 106.7 today?B) It did appear there were fewer Eagles fans than I expected. Doesn't mean I'd say there were "hardly" any there, but still.

Because the Redskins really do suck at PR. From Vinny's radio show to this and other officials go out on the air, it is ridiculous.By the way, I actually applaud Snyder for not granting interviews during the season. If he did, nothing good would come from them.

 

[Marvelous]

None of us have a clue what Snyder is thinking. Conceited people like him argue themselves into bad positions all the time - justifying their thinking the whole way. 99.9% of us would say firing Vinny is a first step in the right direction. From a marketing perspective, firing Vinny is the best way Snyder can win back the fans. It also helps keep his revenue stream up. So I think it will happen. But who to replace him with?

Personally, I'd like to see them hire a GM with experience at GM, rather than a former coach turned GM. Then let that GM hire a coach they trust and can build with. Together, they can find a QB, players, and other coaches that fit their Off/Def system. It the way PIT, IND, and NE have built themselves, and I can't think of any reason to do it any other way, except arrongance.

Here is an old article on the best GM candidates out there. There are good candidates not on this list - Bill Polian Jr for example. A couple already got new jobs. Will the qualified ones will work for Snyder? Money talks, but so does job happiness.

Interesting tandems likely to be available:

Bruce Allen/John Gruden

Floyd Reese/Jeff Fisher

Kevin Colbert/Bill Cowher

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8...mp;confirm=true

The Redskins really need an established GM. The head coach and be a new name, as long as the GM like him. Parcells hand picked Sparano and he is doing ok. Anyone think Ron Wolf is a possibility?

 

[TankRizzo]

The Redskins really need an established GM. The head coach and be a new name, as long as the GM like him. Parcells hand picked Sparano and he is doing ok. Anyone think Ron Wolf is a possibility?

Ron Wolf is retired and been gone too long. If he comes back I would fear it's like anyone else who has come here in the past 10 years, they've done it for the money.

 

[Maroney=Sped]

Anyone think Ron Wolf is a possibility?

Only if he's been playing bingo. Do you suppose that, in order to simplify things with Sherm Lewis, they broke the plays down into a grid so that all he'd have to do is call "B-4" to get the play in?

 

[TobiasFunke]

According to David Elfin:

Despite the obvious plethora of green in the stands on Monday night, Redskins general counsel Dave Donovan just claimed on WJFK-106.7 that there was "hardly an Eagles fan" in the announced crowd of 88,241 at FedEx Field.

Right. And the Redskins have the NFL's best offense. And Jim Zorn will be Washington's coach in 2010.

A) Why was Redskins general counsel on 106.7 today?B) It did appear there were fewer Eagles fans than I expected. Doesn't mean I'd say there were "hardly" any there, but still.

Because the Redskins really do suck at PR. From Vinny's radio show to this and other officials go out on the air, it is ridiculous.By the way, I actually applaud Snyder for not granting interviews during the season. If he did, nothing good would come from them.

I totally disagree with the last point. Accountability, or lack thereof, is the #1 problem that people have with this front office (and with others that suffer from negative PR).When the Caps sucked, Leonsis was out front explaining his vision and being direct and honest with fans. With the Nats, there's been a little less of that sort of thing from the Lerners but it's been known that Stan Kasten would be the point man for relations with the public, and he's been incredibly accessible- you won't hear season ticket holders complain too often about not having a venue to voice their opinions and concerns.

Snyder needs to reach out. It helps a little that Cerrato is making efforts, but he comes across as arrogant and childish in interviews and press conferences. Snyder could do himself a WORLD of good by sitting down with Maese or Reid for a no-holds-barred interview right about now.

 

[Marvelous]

According to David Elfin:

Despite the obvious plethora of green in the stands on Monday night, Redskins general counsel Dave Donovan just claimed on WJFK-106.7 that there was "hardly an Eagles fan" in the announced crowd of 88,241 at FedEx Field.

Right. And the Redskins have the NFL's best offense. And Jim Zorn will be Washington's coach in 2010.

A) Why was Redskins general counsel on 106.7 today?B) It did appear there were fewer Eagles fans than I expected. Doesn't mean I'd say there were "hardly" any there, but still.

Because the Redskins really do suck at PR. From Vinny's radio show to this and other officials go out on the air, it is ridiculous.By the way, I actually applaud Snyder for not granting interviews during the season. If he did, nothing good would come from them.

I totally disagree with the last point. Accountability, or lack thereof, is the #1 problem that people have with this front office (and with others that suffer from negative PR).When the Caps sucked, Leonsis was out front explaining his vision and being direct and honest with fans. With the Nats, there's been a little less of that sort of thing from the Lerners but it's been known that Stan Kasten would be the point man for relations with the public, and he's been incredibly accessible- you won't hear season ticket holders complain too often about not having a venue to voice their opinions and concerns.

Snyder needs to reach out. It helps a little that Cerrato is making efforts, but he comes across as arrogant and childish in interviews and press conferences. Snyder could do himself a WORLD of good by sitting down with Maese or Reid for a no-holds-barred interview right about now.

Snyders top priority: Hire a good GM and get out of they way.Cerrato sucks. But Snyder should still get out of the way and let Cerrato sink or swim. And if Cerrato sinks, then get rid of him, get a good GM, and get out of the way. Snyder's role shouldn't change just because he has an incompetent GM.

 

[dgreen]

According to David Elfin:

Despite the obvious plethora of green in the stands on Monday night, Redskins general counsel Dave Donovan just claimed on WJFK-106.7 that there was "hardly an Eagles fan" in the announced crowd of 88,241 at FedEx Field.

Right. And the Redskins have the NFL's best offense. And Jim Zorn will be Washington's coach in 2010.

A) Why was Redskins general counsel on 106.7 today?B) It did appear there were fewer Eagles fans than I expected. Doesn't mean I'd say there were "hardly" any there, but still.

Because the Redskins really do suck at PR. From Vinny's radio show to this and other officials go out on the air, it is ridiculous.By the way, I actually applaud Snyder for not granting interviews during the season. If he did, nothing good would come from them.

I totally disagree with the last point.

I disagree, too, but only because he is an involved owner. Since he is involved and likely makes many decisions, I think he should make himself available. If he was a hands-off owner, I'd have no problem with him not granting interviews. But, he seems to want to be involved without having to answer the tough questions as they arise.

 

[MikeApf]

Looking to the future:

Let's assume that the Redskins problems are such that they will need several years to rebuild and that therefore they need to start a "youth movement" where they build through the draft. We are likely to get one high 1st round draft pick next year which we should spend on an O Lineman (but which Snyder will probably squander on a "hot QB." With that said, what players could we possibly move in the offseason in an effort to acquire more draft picks. Two of the first on the block:

Chris Cooley -- yes, probably one of the best players on our team. But he could garner a good draft pick and if Fred Davis plays strong for the rest of the year, you could go with Davis for the sake of getting picks for Cooley.

Clinton Portis -- he's done so I'm not sure what he would get you on the open market. But, you can at least try. This team is not going to contend soon enough for Portis to be apart of it. They need to move him NOW when they get the chance.

Who else would you identify? They would have to be good enough to get something in return of course...

M

 

[dgreen]

From O'Halloran:

Vinny Cerrato spent a couple minutes with local reporters this afternoon, his first comments to us locals since the play-calling switch and saying Jim Zorn is the coach for the rest of the year.

A couple of the highlights:

*On 2-5 start:

"Frustrating and disappointing – it’s not where we expected to be. I know Dan’s disappointed for the fans, everybody’s disappointed for the fans. We need to re-group during this bye and come out those last nine games and improve."

*On lack of offensive line depth:

"We tried to address the line. We added Dockery and Mike Williams and when we were in the draft, there was no one at 13 worthy of it. Are you having the results we wanted? No. We don’t want sacks. If it was Chris Samuels and Randy Thomas in there, would it be better? Absolutely. If you lose a Pro Bowler, it’s definitely going to drop off. Where we’re standing right now, to have more depth would be great.

"Look at the depth around the league. Nobody has a Pro Bowler to back up a Pro Bowler. Look at Phila last week when Jason peters went out, they had six sacks against the Raiders. When you lose some quality people, there is a drop off. I’m not making excuses."

*On switch to Sherm Lewis as playcaller:

"We didn’t win but I thought Sherm provided a spark and I think the offense did some good things and Fred and Devin got a chance to do some things offensively so I think coming in and having to face the third-ranked defense that blitzes a lot and does all those things, he did a good job with the amount time he had."

*On his job security:

"I feel like my job is on the line all the time. It’s not something I worry about. My job is to get us going and to fill these holes when guys get hurt. Things take care of themselves after the season."

*On final nine games:

"To me, we just have to look at everybody and look at everything. I have to look at myself. We have to get better day to day and week to week. It’s about improving each game and it’s one game at a time, one day at a time."

*On if he feels he provided Jim Zorn a team that could make the playoffs:

"Yes."

 

[TobiasFunke]

According to David Elfin:

Despite the obvious plethora of green in the stands on Monday night, Redskins general counsel Dave Donovan just claimed on WJFK-106.7 that there was "hardly an Eagles fan" in the announced crowd of 88,241 at FedEx Field.

Right. And the Redskins have the NFL's best offense. And Jim Zorn will be Washington's coach in 2010.

A) Why was Redskins general counsel on 106.7 today?B) It did appear there were fewer Eagles fans than I expected. Doesn't mean I'd say there were "hardly" any there, but still.

Because the Redskins really do suck at PR. From Vinny's radio show to this and other officials go out on the air, it is ridiculous.By the way, I actually applaud Snyder for not granting interviews during the season. If he did, nothing good would come from them.

I totally disagree with the last point.

I disagree, too, but only because he is an involved owner. Since he is involved and likely makes many decisions, I think he should make himself available. If he was a hands-off owner, I'd have no problem with him not granting interviews. But, he seems to want to be involved without having to answer the tough questions as they arise.

Right. The key is for the fans to feel like there is someone listening to them and hearing their grievances. Someone needs to be accountable to the entire fan experience- everything from the quality of the team to ticket price- and needs to be accessible for those fans. With the Caps, it's Leonsis. With the Nats, it's Kasten instead of the Lerners, and I'm fine with that. With the Redskins, there's nobody except a bitter GM who resents questioning.

 

[buster c]

Paranoia

from reader comments:

At half time, I went down to the concessions area to get a beer and a dog. Of course, the crowd was once again getting restless at the lack of productivity we were seeing on the field. Standing two rows away from me in line, were two middle aged men. One wore a T-shirt that read "Fire Snyder", the other's said "Fire Vinny". It wasn't long after standing there that the men were surrounded by close to a dozen people wearing yellow security jackets. The conversation between them and the two men escalated quickly as security asked the men to remove their shirts. Of course the men refused, and one stated that he had been a season ticket holder for 26 years. The conversation continued to get heated and before you knew it 6 or 7 armed security officers formed a circle around the layer of yellowed jacketed security officers. "Sir, you're about to lose those season tickets if you don't take off that shirt" is what he was told. I don't know what got into me but I had seen enough and had to speak up. This was beyond absurd! I cut across a crowd of people, entering the circle of security.... I said " these guys should be able to wear whatever they want! What the hell is going on? What the hell is this? Communist Russia??? ". I was quickly greeted with a stern warning to not interfere and a shove in the chest that sent me back a few feet. A few minutes later, the men were escorted out of the area and a security woman approached me with an explanation about their actions. "Look, I know what you're saying, and I can't say that I don't agree with you, but I'm a part-time teacher and this job is my Holiday money"...."upper management told us to come up here and ask these men to remove their shirts and I can't lose my job, so I'm doing it."

I decided then and there that I would NEVER again set foot in Fed Ex Stadium as long as Dan Snyder was the owner. The way I saw people being treated for voicing their opinions on this night embarrassed me as a Redskin fan, a Washingtonian, and as an American. These sort of totalitarian strong arm tactics are downright shameful and I needed to let others know about it. I hope you share this story with your audience.

A deeply embarrassed Redskins fan

 

[buster c]

Met a girl called lola and I took her back to my place

Feelin guilty, feelin scared, hidden cameras everywhere

Stop! hold on. stay in control

Girl, I want you here with me

But Im really not as cool as Id like to be

cause theres a red, under my bed

And theres a little yellow man in my head

And theres a true blue inside of me

That keeps stoppin me, touchin ya, watchin ya, lovin ya

Paranoia, the destroyer.

Paranoia, the destroyer.

Well I fell asleep, then I woke feelin kinda queer

Lola looked at me and said, ooh you look so weird.

She said, man, theres really something wrong with you.

One day youre gonna self-destruct.

Youre up, youre down, I cant work you out

You get a good thing goin then you blow yourself out.

Silly boy ya self-destroyer. silly boy ya self-destroyer

Silly boy you got so much to live for

So much to aim for, so much to try for

You blowing it all with paranoia

Youre so insecure you self-destroyer

(and it goes like this, here it goes)

Paranoia, the destroyer

(here it goes again)

Paranoia, the destroyer

Dr. dr. help me please, I know youll understand

Theres a time device inside of me, Im a self-destructin man

Theres a red, under my bed

And theres a little green man in my head

And he said, youre not goin crazy, youre just a bit sad

cause theres a man in ya, knawin ya, tearin ya into two.

Silly boy ya self-destroyer.

Paranoia, the destroyer

Self-destroyer, wreck your health

Destroy friends, destroy yourself

The time device of self-destruction

Light the fuse and start eruption

(yea, it goes like this, here it goes)

Paranoia, the destroyer

(heres to paranoia)

Paranoia, the destroyer

(hey hey, here it goes)

Paranoia, the destroyer

(and it goes like this)

Paranoia, the destroyer

(and it goes like this.)

 

[TankRizzo]

17, 9, 14, 16, 17, 6, 17

Are we playing blackjack and praying the dealer busts on every hand?

 

[dgreen]

Paranoia

from reader comments:

At half time, I went down to the concessions area to get a beer and a dog. Of course, the crowd was once again getting restless at the lack of productivity we were seeing on the field. Standing two rows away from me in line, were two middle aged men. One wore a T-shirt that read "Fire Snyder", the other's said "Fire Vinny". It wasn't long after standing there that the men were surrounded by close to a dozen people wearing yellow security jackets. The conversation between them and the two men escalated quickly as security asked the men to remove their shirts. Of course the men refused, and one stated that he had been a season ticket holder for 26 years. The conversation continued to get heated and before you knew it 6 or 7 armed security officers formed a circle around the layer of yellowed jacketed security officers. "Sir, you're about to lose those season tickets if you don't take off that shirt" is what he was told. I don't know what got into me but I had seen enough and had to speak up. This was beyond absurd! I cut across a crowd of people, entering the circle of security.... I said " these guys should be able to wear whatever they want! What the hell is going on? What the hell is this? Communist Russia??? ". I was quickly greeted with a stern warning to not interfere and a shove in the chest that sent me back a few feet. A few minutes later, the men were escorted out of the area and a security woman approached me with an explanation about their actions. "Look, I know what you're saying, and I can't say that I don't agree with you, but I'm a part-time teacher and this job is my Holiday money"...."upper management told us to come up here and ask these men to remove their shirts and I can't lose my job, so I'm doing it."

I decided then and there that I would NEVER again set foot in Fed Ex Stadium as long as Dan Snyder was the owner. The way I saw people being treated for voicing their opinions on this night embarrassed me as a Redskin fan, a Washingtonian, and as an American. These sort of totalitarian strong arm tactics are downright shameful and I needed to let others know about it. I hope you share this story with your audience.

A deeply embarrassed Redskins fan

If I owned a team, would I do that to them? I'd hope not. But, cry me a river. You can't wear something like that and expect everything to be just business as usual. They were given an option to remove their shirts and keep their tickets. They made their choice. Live with it and don't whine when a confrontation, partly created by you, arises.Having said that, there are many interesting things going on at the stadium according to the D.C. Sports Bog. This organization doesn't know how to handle their business. Things are getting worse and worse every week. And, I've been saying that I wouldn't be surprised if everything ends up with some really, really, really big problem at the stadium. A huge fight. A crazy fan in front of Snyder's suite doing something dumb. The team poking fans in the eye like this isn't helping. Fans demanding that they get to wear whatever they want isn't helping.

Should that have happened to those fans? No. But, if something big happens one day, the fans aren't faultless.

 

[renesauz]

From O'Halloran:

Vinny Cerrato spent a couple minutes with local reporters this afternoon, his first comments to us locals since the play-calling switch and saying Jim Zorn is the coach for the rest of the year.



*On if he feels he provided Jim Zorn a team that could make the playoffs:

"Yes."

And here's the real crux of the problem, because NOBODY outside that organization (excepting a handful of burgundy bleeding fans) would agree.Zorn was not, and is not the problem in Washington...Cerrato and Snyder are.

But hey...I don't mind a bit.

 

[fatness]

If I owned a team, would I do that to them? I'd hope not. But, cry me a river. You can't wear something like that and expect everything to be just business as usual. They were given an option to remove their shirts and keep their tickets. They made their choice. Live with it and don't whine when a confrontation, partly created by you, arises.

The confrontation was created by an owner and GM who have ruined the team, which provides bad performances on the playing field. Those bad performances are attended by thousands of fans who cumulatively spend millions of dollars, which allow the miserably-performing team to generate huge profits and be one of the most financially-successful sports franchises ever. The owner of the team is not content with this. He'll allow the bad performances on the field year after year, but he won't allow a t-shirt criticizing him. Please do not defend this. Defending it is just resignation. It was not a dangerous shirt saying "Smoke Crack With Me In The Bathroom" or "Break An Eagle Fan's Jaw Today". It was criticizing an owner and GM who deserve criticism, after paying to park and paying to enter the game. For Christ's sake what is wrong with people today?In this day and age when the government can wiretap anyone silently for any reason; when companies constantly crack down on pay, benefits, numbers of employees, and working conditions; when censors routinely try to shut down websites and TV shows and remove books from libraries and schools; we don't need people sticking up for that. More than anything else this country needs a good dose of "leave people the F alone". And that starts right at home.Snyder should've bought those guys a beer. Instead he hid behind his money and had paid henchmen, paid for by ticket holders, remove them. Money doesn't talk, it swears.

 

[fatness]

Cooley may miss only 3 games.

Depends on how surgery goes.

 

[fatness]

Redskins Fan Booted From MNF Game, Banned From FedEx For Anti-Snyder Sign

Last night I was at my first Skins Monday Night game. I went with a couple friends, but knew I needed to take an Anti-Snyder banner with me. Problem was I couldn’t come up with anything clever until just before I left for the game. My brother texted me the perfect idea for a sign to play off on the whole Sherman Lewis bingo thing. I whipped up a quick “Snyder…B-I-N-GO F Yourself” sign on a bed sheet so everybody could see it. I knew it would get me in trouble but didn’t expect to get thrown out of the stadium by a couple security guys.

In the third quarter, one of my friends and I took out the banner and were holding it up. Next thing I know, four security guys are coming up both sets of stairs and headed right for us. They take my banner and tell us we have to leave the stadium. On the way out a bunch of people in the section are taking pictures and chanting “Free Speech!”

Once we got to the concourse area they asked for my ID, which I quickly tried to pass off to a friend. One of the security guys snatched my wallet and wrote down my drivers license info in his little black book. I guess that means means I’m banned from the stadium or something. They then escorted my three friends and I all the way from the 400 level out to the front gate. I tried to talk to them about the whole situation but they weren’t having it — too busy being serious security guys, I guess.

So, long story short, I got my point across, they took my banner, I probably got banned for life and I got to leave the game early. Good thing too, it was an awful game.

The sign

 

[fatness]

More shirts

You know, if one person, just one person does it they may think he's really sick and they won't take him. And if two people, two people do it, in harmony, they may think they're both ######s and they won't take either of them. And three people do it, three, can you imagine, three people walking in wearing a Fire Dan Snyder shirt and walking out. They may think it's an organization. And can you, can you imagine fifty people a day, I said fifty people a day walking in wearing a Fire Dan Snyder shirt and walking out. And friends they may thinks it's a movement.

And that's what it is , the Washington Redskins Anti-Massacre Movement

apologies to Arlo Guthrie

 

[fatness]

More Fans Forced To Leave

Me and about 10-12 other guys moved underneath the MNF booth in the 2nd half and in the 4th quarter we started a "We want Gruden" chant. Gruden and Jaws were looking at us and laughing, and then Gruden stood up and flashed his Super Bowl ring at us. After a little while security came over and said we were not allowed chant "We Want Gruden". The guy left and then a little while later we started a "Danny Sucks" chant. The MNF booth is right next to Danny's box so there is no question Danny heard it. A few minutes later Danny sent down his goon squad, cops and all and told us we had to leave. There was about 1 minute left in the game, so no big deal, but pretty funny.

Sign Torn Up

Another lady said staff got nasty with her and tore up sign in her face. Sign said, "Let Ovechkin call plays...he'd do better"

 

[TxBuckeye]

If I owned a team, would I do that to them? I'd hope not. But, cry me a river. You can't wear something like that and expect everything to be just business as usual.

Actually that's exactly what I would expect. You see it all the time at other stadiums (Lions and Millen ring a bell?). I can't even fathom this taking place at a stadium in the US.

 

[jenja]

If I owned a team, would I do that to them? I'd hope not. But, cry me a river. You can't wear something like that and expect everything to be just business as usual. They were given an option to remove their shirts and keep their tickets. They made their choice. Live with it and don't whine when a confrontation, partly created by you, arises.

The confrontation was created by an owner and GM who have ruined the team, which provides bad performances on the playing field. Those bad performances are attended by thousands of fans who cumulatively spend millions of dollars, which allow the miserably-performing team to generate huge profits and be one of the most financially-successful sports franchises ever. The owner of the team is not content with this. He'll allow the bad performances on the field year after year, but he won't allow a t-shirt criticizing him. Please do not defend this. Defending it is just resignation. It was not a dangerous shirt saying "Smoke Crack With Me In The Bathroom" or "Break An Eagle Fan's Jaw Today". It was criticizing an owner and GM who deserve criticism, after paying to park and paying to enter the game. For Christ's sake what is wrong with people today?In this day and age when the government can wiretap anyone silently for any reason; when companies constantly crack down on pay, benefits, numbers of employees, and working conditions; when censors routinely try to shut down websites and TV shows and remove books from libraries and schools; we don't need people sticking up for that. More than anything else this country needs a good dose of "leave people the F alone". And that starts right at home.Snyder should've bought those guys a beer. Instead he hid behind his money and had paid henchmen, paid for by ticket holders, remove them. Money doesn't talk, it swears.

 

[TankRizzo]

If I owned a team, would I do that to them? I'd hope not. But, cry me a river. You can't wear something like that and expect everything to be just business as usual.

Actually that's exactly what I would expect. You see it all the time at other stadiums (Lions and Millen ring a bell?). I can't even fathom this taking place at a stadium in the US.

All done in a vain attempt to insulate the thin skinned Danny boy from hearing criticism. Pretty sad he has to resort to childish abuses of power on paying customers....but not surprising in the least.

 

[dgreen]

Please do not defend this.

I'm not. Like I said, it's not what I would do. But, don't expect me to feel for the fan. Fans are not faultless. They, too, can be asses. It's true.As I've said before, Snyder deserves a TON of blame for a TON of things. But, that doesn't mean EVERYTHING bad that happens is 100% his fault and 0% nobody else's fault.I think this whole thing is lame. I think this whole thing just makes this organization look like more of a joke. But, I'm not interested in listening to a fan cry that he couldn't go into SNYDER'S STADIUM and wear something demeaning about SNYDER and then act all high and mighty as if he was just doing his duty. Similarly, I wasn't all that interested in hearing about someone who doesn't pay for their tickets whine about being sued.

 

[dgreen]

If I owned a team, would I do that to them? I'd hope not. But, cry me a river. You can't wear something like that and expect everything to be just business as usual.

Actually that's exactly what I would expect. You see it all the time at other stadiums (Lions and Millen ring a bell?). I can't even fathom this taking place at a stadium in the US.

The stadium is owned by Snyder. Get over it. Maybe I'll make a Fire Bill Gates t-shirt and go hang out in Microsoft's headquarters. Since I'm in America, I think that's ok for me to do!

 

[Sebowski]

Would love to sign Garcia. If that doesn't happen, how about bringing in John David Booty for a workout? He has been in the system since he was drafted.

 

[NMYMND]

Snyder continues efforts to take focus off of on-field incompetence - from DCSportsBog

WUSA says Skins prohibiting tailgate interviews

Since I mentioned this on Twitter, might as well put it here, too. I was watching WUSA-9's 11 pm Tuesday night broadcast, and after a piece about Redskins fan dissatisfaction and the recent ban on signs, the program cut back to anchor Derek McGinty in the studio.

"Tonight the Redskins have seemingly escalated things again; they've banned media interviews with tailgating fans on FedEx Field property," McGinty said. "They told our sports director Brett Haber that this has always been team policy, but when he pointed out that we and other stations, including their very own broadcast partners, have in fact always talked openly to tailgaters, there was, well let's just say, no further explanation."

I suppose I'll try to follow up on this Wednesday.

 

[duckhook]

The fact is he can do it. It's his property. He shouldn't because it's an ### move and proves everyone is right about him. But he's killing his brand, and that's why he shouldn't do it. Poor business.

There are several ways fans could unite:

1) Everyone could wear a shirt in the opposing team's color.

2) Everyone could sell their tickets to an opposing team fan.

3) Everyone could just not show up.

#3 is the one to do if you want to hit Snyder where it hurts. He losses parking, refreshment sales, merchandise sales. I'd guess he takes in $2.5M per game for those items if you pull out the pre-paid parking and food for club seats, etc. I doubt it makes a huge dent, but at least there is some pain. Doing #1 and #2 don't hurt his checkbook at all. They just show displeasure.

Imagine...a completely empty Redskins stadium for a game. It would be hard to pull off, but it would be perfect to get back at Snyderatto.

 

[B-Deep]

The fact is he can do it. It's his property. He shouldn't because it's an ### move and proves everyone is right about him. But he's killing his brand, and that's why he shouldn't do it. Poor business.There are several ways fans could unite:1) Everyone could wear a shirt in the opposing team's color.2) Everyone could sell their tickets to an opposing team fan.3) Everyone could just not show up.#3 is the one to do if you want to hit Snyder where it hurts. He losses parking, refreshment sales, merchandise sales. I'd guess he takes in $2.5M per game for those items if you pull out the pre-paid parking and food for club seats, etc. I doubt it makes a huge dent, but at least there is some pain. Doing #1 and #2 don't hurt his checkbook at all. They just show displeasure.Imagine...a completely empty Redskins stadium for a game. It would be hard to pull off, but it would be perfect to get back at Snyderatto.

Living near detroit let me clue you in how this sort of thing worked for the Lions. They were trying to supress the fire Millen signs that were carpeting Ford Field. So people brought them in anyway, the media made a bigger deal of pointing them out, and then thy started appearing at UofM games, at MSU games, at Redwings games. It made the matter much much worse.Trying to take away the fans ability to voice displeasure is just not a good idea. They'll find a way, and it will become a bigger story.

 

[Maroney=Sped]

The fact is he can do it. It's his property. He shouldn't because it's an ### move and proves everyone is right about him. But he's killing his brand, and that's why he shouldn't do it. Poor business.There are several ways fans could unite:1) Everyone could wear a shirt in the opposing team's color.2) Everyone could sell their tickets to an opposing team fan.3) Everyone could just not show up.#3 is the one to do if you want to hit Snyder where it hurts. He losses parking, refreshment sales, merchandise sales. I'd guess he takes in $2.5M per game for those items if you pull out the pre-paid parking and food for club seats, etc. I doubt it makes a huge dent, but at least there is some pain. Doing #1 and #2 don't hurt his checkbook at all. They just show displeasure.Imagine...a completely empty Redskins stadium for a game. It would be hard to pull off, but it would be perfect to get back at Snyderatto.

Living near detroit let me clue you in how this sort of thing worked for the Lions. They were trying to supress the fire Millen signs that were carpeting Ford Field. So people brought them in anyway, the media made a bigger deal of pointing them out, and then thy started appearing at UofM games, at MSU games, at Redwings games. It made the matter much much worse.Trying to take away the fans ability to voice displeasure is just not a good idea. They'll find a way, and it will become a bigger story.

Snyder has a far better chance of actually improving the team than he does of supressing this dissent via censorship, which should tell you something about how futile it all is.