***Official*** 2009 Washington Redskins Thread (1 Viewer)

[Sebowski]

"I can explain it," Zorn said today during his news conference at Redskins Park. "With 21 seconds to go, we did take a shot and they had five guys back. I took a shot to the end zone with five different guys. Then with 15 seconds left, and no timeouts, I couldn't risk either getting sacked, I couldn't risk completing the ball inbounds and trying to get a last-second field goal."So I thought the smart thing to do was take the field goal right there, in field-goal range. We had the ball at the 26-yard line and, you know, it was missed. We just went in at halftime. We still had the lead. I think we were very excited about the possibilities at that particular time."

So, Zorn's explanation is basically, "We tried it once and it didn't work. And we didn't try it again because either my QB is too stupid to make an elementary football decision or I'm not smart enough to know what to do and explain it to him." I really think Campbell could have handled that simple situation. So, either Zorn couldn't think of how to run that play (remember Detroit?) or he really has an unrealistic lack of confidence in Campbell. I understand not having confidence in Campbell to do certain things, but this isn't one of them. And, for crying out loud, you're a team on its way to the morgue - GIVE IT A SHOT! This is a coach who can be so daring in one instance (going for it on 4th down in many situations) and so conservative in other situations.I don't think that play determined the game at all. I wanted to see them take a shot just to see them take a shot; not because I thought they'd actually score a TD.

Zorn is not an NFL head coach. That simple.

 

[dgreen]

Jerry Gray headed to Memphis? From Keim:

Redskins secondary coach Jerry Gray could be named the new coach at the University of Memphis by the end of the weekend.

He emerged as a late candidate to replace the fired Tommy West, who will coach the Tigers in their season finale Friday vs. Tulsa. When West was fired, one of the stipulations for the next coach was that he would need to have been a successful recruiter in Division I. Gray last coached in college in 1995 at Southern Methodist University. But his connections helped put him in the running.

If Gray accepts the job, which it appears he will, it's uncertain if he will remain with the Redskins for the remainder of the season. Often times assistants stay until the end, but that's probably more true for teams headed to the playoffs. The Redskins, clearly, are not. Considering how much recruiting he'll have to do, chances are he'd leave right away. But I don't know that for sure.

Gray became the voice of the defense last month when coordinator Greg Blache decided he no longer wanted to address the media once a week. Gray came across well in interviews – perhaps serving as a de facto audition for potential suitors such as Memphis.

Personally, Gray has always been one of the best assistants to speak with. I always felt like I learned something about the game after interviewing him, particularly about various coverages.

Gray is scheduled to talk after practice today, around 1:30 p.m.

If he leaves, who will be the defensive spokesman? I vote for Smoot.

 

[Maroney=Sped]

"I can explain it," Zorn said today during his news conference at Redskins Park. "With 21 seconds to go, we did take a shot and they had five guys back. I took a shot to the end zone with five different guys. Then with 15 seconds left, and no timeouts, I couldn't risk either getting sacked, I couldn't risk completing the ball inbounds and trying to get a last-second field goal."So I thought the smart thing to do was take the field goal right there, in field-goal range. We had the ball at the 26-yard line and, you know, it was missed. We just went in at halftime. We still had the lead. I think we were very excited about the possibilities at that particular time."

So, Zorn's explanation is basically, "We tried it once and it didn't work. And we didn't try it again because either my QB is too stupid to make an elementary football decision or I'm not smart enough to know what to do and explain it to him." I really think Campbell could have handled that simple situation. So, either Zorn couldn't think of how to run that play (remember Detroit?) or he really has an unrealistic lack of confidence in Campbell. I understand not having confidence in Campbell to do certain things, but this isn't one of them. And, for crying out loud, you're a team on its way to the morgue - GIVE IT A SHOT! This is a coach who can be so daring in one instance (going for it on 4th down in many situations) and so conservative in other situations.I don't think that play determined the game at all. I wanted to see them take a shot just to see them take a shot; not because I thought they'd actually score a TD.

Zorn is not an NFL head coach. That simple.

I know you guys don't like Zorn and that's fine, but this logic on a team with a weak offense and particularly a horrible offensive line, on the road against a far better opponent, is sound. Take your halftime lead into the locker room and see if you can't hang around long enough in the second half to win the game. But for Suisham, that strategy works.

 

[buster c]

"I can explain it," Zorn said today during his news conference at Redskins Park. "With 21 seconds to go, we did take a shot and they had five guys back. I took a shot to the end zone with five different guys. Then with 15 seconds left, and no timeouts, I couldn't risk either getting sacked, I couldn't risk completing the ball inbounds and trying to get a last-second field goal.

"So I thought the smart thing to do was take the field goal right there, in field-goal range. We had the ball at the 26-yard line and, you know, it was missed. We just went in at halftime. We still had the lead. I think we were very excited about the possibilities at that particular time."

So, Zorn's explanation is basically, "We tried it once and it didn't work. And we didn't try it again because either my QB is too stupid to make an elementary football decision or I'm not smart enough to know what to do and explain it to him." I really think Campbell could have handled that simple situation. So, either Zorn couldn't think of how to run that play (remember Detroit?) or he really has an unrealistic lack of confidence in Campbell. I understand not having confidence in Campbell to do certain things, but this isn't one of them. And, for crying out loud, you're a team on its way to the morgue - GIVE IT A SHOT! This is a coach who can be so daring in one instance (going for it on 4th down in many situations) and so conservative in other situations.I don't think that play determined the game at all. I wanted to see them take a shot just to see them take a shot; not because I thought they'd actually score a TD.

Zorn is not an NFL head coach. That simple.

I know you guys don't like Zorn and that's fine, but this logic on a team with a weak offense and particularly a horrible offensive line, on the road against a far better opponent, is sound. Take your halftime lead into the locker room and see if you can't hang around long enough in the second half to win the game. But for Suisham, that strategy works.

so part of your strategy is assuming your kicker hits 100% of his field goals?

 

[Maroney=Sped]

"I can explain it," Zorn said today during his news conference at Redskins Park. "With 21 seconds to go, we did take a shot and they had five guys back. I took a shot to the end zone with five different guys. Then with 15 seconds left, and no timeouts, I couldn't risk either getting sacked, I couldn't risk completing the ball inbounds and trying to get a last-second field goal.

"So I thought the smart thing to do was take the field goal right there, in field-goal range. We had the ball at the 26-yard line and, you know, it was missed. We just went in at halftime. We still had the lead. I think we were very excited about the possibilities at that particular time."

So, Zorn's explanation is basically, "We tried it once and it didn't work. And we didn't try it again because either my QB is too stupid to make an elementary football decision or I'm not smart enough to know what to do and explain it to him." I really think Campbell could have handled that simple situation. So, either Zorn couldn't think of how to run that play (remember Detroit?) or he really has an unrealistic lack of confidence in Campbell. I understand not having confidence in Campbell to do certain things, but this isn't one of them. And, for crying out loud, you're a team on its way to the morgue - GIVE IT A SHOT! This is a coach who can be so daring in one instance (going for it on 4th down in many situations) and so conservative in other situations.I don't think that play determined the game at all. I wanted to see them take a shot just to see them take a shot; not because I thought they'd actually score a TD.

Zorn is not an NFL head coach. That simple.

I know you guys don't like Zorn and that's fine, but this logic on a team with a weak offense and particularly a horrible offensive line, on the road against a far better opponent, is sound. Take your halftime lead into the locker room and see if you can't hang around long enough in the second half to win the game. But for Suisham, that strategy works.

so part of your strategy is assuming your kicker hits 100% of his field goals?

From the 26-yard line? With a guy who hadn't missed all year up to that game? Yes, I'd say that the team's chances of getting 3 points from the 26-yard line were so much greater than getting 7-points from there that the FG was the better option.

 

[dgreen]

From the 26-yard line? With a guy who hadn't missed all year up to that game? Yes, I'd say that the team's chances of getting 3 points from the 26-yard line were so much greater than getting 7-points from there that the FG was the better option.

I agree. The issue was they had time to try both.

 

[Maroney=Sped]

From the 26-yard line? With a guy who hadn't missed all year up to that game? Yes, I'd say that the team's chances of getting 3 points from the 26-yard line were so much greater than getting 7-points from there that the FG was the better option.

I agree. The issue was they had time to try both.

To "throw it into the end zone" from the 26-yard line in an obvious passing situation requires a deep drop to allow the receivers to get downfield. Against a good-to-elite pass rush with a bad offensive line that spells a lot of trouble, don't you think? Everyone says Campbell could just throw it away, but the guy's gotten sacked on three-step drops!

 

[dgreen]

From the 26-yard line? With a guy who hadn't missed all year up to that game? Yes, I'd say that the team's chances of getting 3 points from the 26-yard line were so much greater than getting 7-points from there that the FG was the better option.

I agree. The issue was they had time to try both.

To "throw it into the end zone" from the 26-yard line in an obvious passing situation requires a deep drop to allow the receivers to get downfield. Against a good-to-elite pass rush with a bad offensive line that spells a lot of trouble, don't you think? Everyone says Campbell could just throw it away, but the guy's gotten sacked on three-step drops!

It was the 20 yard line. I've already said how I think they could have handled the fear of a sack. Go shotgun with a designed rollout. The rollout gives you the immediate option to throw the ball away if need be. You could even keep in a TE and RB to provide some max protect. From the 20, he really wouldn't need more than a couple seconds before he'd need to throw the ball into the endzone.

 

[dgreen]

More here.

 

[dgreen]

Good stuff that got me through the last part of work today.

 

[fatness]

Starting at RB for the Washington Redskins this weekend: Rodney Carter

 

[fatness]

Redskin comedian

 

[fatness]

Good article on Andre Carter. He's benefitted gretly from having Haynesworth on the team, but he's also done some improving on his own.

Link

 

[fatness]

Marcus Mason is back on the team.

Jerry Gray probably won't get the Memphis job.

DeAngelo Hall is out today. Haynesworth is out as well.

 

[nittanylion]

Ugh.

Ugh, Ugh, Ugh.

AAAUUUUUUGGGHHH!!! (Remember when the Kite-Eating Tree got another one of Charlie Brown's?)...

Why am I making these noises, you ask?

I've gotten the low-down on why ARE continues to be our primary punt returner...

...and it has everything to do with Upper Managment/Ownership Meddling...

...let's focus on the impending Game, and I'll get into it later, but for now let's just say:

 

[Maroney=Sped]

Ugh.Ugh, Ugh, Ugh.AAAUUUUUUGGGHHH!!! (Remember when the Kite-Eating Tree got another one of Charlie Brown's?)...Why am I making these noises, you ask?I've gotten the low-down on why ARE continues to be our primary punt returner......and it has everything to do with Upper Managment/Ownership Meddling......let's focus on the impending Game, and I'll get into it later, but for now let's just say:

ARE is a wretched punt returner.

 

[fatness]

I've gotten the low-down on why ARE continues to be our primary punt returner......and it has everything to do with Upper Managment/Ownership Meddling......let's focus on the impending Game, and I'll get into it later, but for now let's just say:

Thanks nittany. I'm all ears.

 

[dgreen]

At least they are worth watching now.

 

[Bizkiteer]

Great game! They actually look like an NFL team now. Yes, there are plenty of things that are not right or could have been done differently, but considering that all our main players are out...very surprised and pleased with their preformance. Hey, they are improving and making teams actually have to earn their victory and best part...we get to stay in the hunt for a GREAT draft slot.

 

[Sebowski]

We lost another close game. Big deal. I'm sure everyone was with me thinking we wouldn't hold on to win that one. Especially after settling for 3 after the Tryon pick. We can rehash why Zorn can't coach, and how bad the D is when we need them the most, but who cares? The season is over. This is not the same team or staff that we will be cheering for next year.

Nittany, let's have it. Give us something with some substance.

 

[dgreen]

We lost another close game. Big deal. I'm sure everyone was with me thinking we wouldn't hold on to win that one. Especially after settling for 3 after the Tryon pick. We can rehash why Zorn can't coach, and how bad the D is when we need them the most, but who cares? The season is over.

Dude, the season's been over for a while. I'm just excited that the last 3 weeks have resembled actual NFL football.

This is not the same team or staff that we will be cheering for next year.

For the most part, you're probably right. But, certain guys will be back.The 2nd round trio are playing more and more and playing better. Not leaps and bounds better, but still better. I like what I've seen from Devin Thomas recently. He's good with the ball in his hands. For the most part, he looks pretty good on kick returns and is starting to make some big catches. Fred Davis, while still dropping some tough balls, looks like a legit NFL TE. I can only hope we have a coaching staff that can come up with some ways to use both Cooley and Davis together. With both Davis and Thomas, I like how hard they run and they don't go down easily. Kelly, in limited duty, has made some big catches the last few weeks.I'm not totally convinced Campbell and Portis are gone next year. I'd like to see more of Mason because I think Portis and Mason could go with a change-of-pace RB that they draft next year for a nice trio. Campbell's never going to be great and misses way too many open receivers, especially deep, but he does make plays when on the run and is extremely tough. Fact is, unless they draft a QB in the first two rounds next year, they have nothing else at QB.Landry will be around and he's playing better. Yes, he whiffed on Avant yesterday which led to a big gain on the Eagles' 4th Q TD drive, but he made some good hits across the middle and I really like how they used him in the A gap on the goalline plays. Tryon and Barnes played quite a bit yesterday and didn't embarrass themselves.Orakpo seems to be slipping a little the last few weeks. And I'm not just referring to the fact that he has no sacks the last two games after recording one in 6 of the previous 7 games. He simply hasn't been getting near the QB often enough. He did have a nice bullrush that flushed McNabb out of the pocket on the DeSean Jackson TD. His bullrush impresses me for a guy who isn't pushing 300 lbs.

 

[fatness]

Great game! They actually look like an NFL team now. Yes, there are plenty of things that are not right or could have been done differently, but considering that all our main players are out...very surprised and pleased with their preformance. Hey, they are improving and making teams actually have to earn their victory and best part...we get to stay in the hunt for a GREAT draft slot.

The more they lose the better their draft spot will be. But no matter how disgusted I get at times I am completely unable to root for them to lose. I just can't. It feels like shooting my mom or something. I'm glad to see this rag-tag team playing better.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Great game! They actually look like an NFL team now. Yes, there are plenty of things that are not right or could have been done differently, but considering that all our main players are out...very surprised and pleased with their preformance. Hey, they are improving and making teams actually have to earn their victory and best part...we get to stay in the hunt for a GREAT draft slot.

The more they lose the better their draft spot will be. But no matter how disgusted I get at times I am completely unable to root for them to lose. I just can't. It feels like shooting my mom or something. I'm glad to see this rag-tag team playing better.

What did you think of the Mike Wise column in which he basically says that "playing better" should not be enough? I tend to agree with him. Every team has injuries. Sure, we've been hit harder than most, but none of our injuries on the offensive side of the ball have been as significant as the Eagles loss of Westbrook, and they find a way to keep chugging along.I'm a little concerned that these "good efforts" sentiments are leading to an unwarranted sense of things not being all that bad in the fan base and the front office, and we won't get the total overhaul we all assumed was coming a month ago.

 

[dgreen]

Just an FYI. The Redskins are 3-0 when I attend games this year and 0-8 when I don't. I will probably go this Sunday. New Orleans is going down!

 

[Maroney=Sped]

Just an FYI. The Redskins are 3-0 when I attend games this year and 0-8 when I don't. I will probably go this Sunday. New Orleans is going down!

Thanks, Sherm.

 

[DCThunder]

I'm littleVERY concerned that these "good efforts" sentiments are leading to an unwarranted sense of things not being all that bad in the fan base and the front office, and we won't get the total overhaul we all assumed was coming a month ago.

fixed and This cannot be said enough. This little spurt of playing "better" will be seen by Vinny as justification that he's been right all along and he'll find a way to convince Snyder that he should keep his job. Hell, I can even see Zorn and Campbell being kept around for another year, since the team is "playing better".

 

[Whiplash Inc.]

Portis ruled out for week 13.

 

[Sebowski]

We lost another close game. Big deal. I'm sure everyone was with me thinking we wouldn't hold on to win that one. Especially after settling for 3 after the Tryon pick. We can rehash why Zorn can't coach, and how bad the D is when we need them the most, but who cares? The season is over.

Dude, the season's been over for a while. I'm just excited that the last 3 weeks have resembled actual NFL football.

This is not the same team or staff that we will be cheering for next year.

For the most part, you're probably right. But, certain guys will be back.The 2nd round trio are playing more and more and playing better. Not leaps and bounds better, but still better. I like what I've seen from Devin Thomas recently. He's good with the ball in his hands. For the most part, he looks pretty good on kick returns and is starting to make some big catches. Fred Davis, while still dropping some tough balls, looks like a legit NFL TE. I can only hope we have a coaching staff that can come up with some ways to use both Cooley and Davis together. With both Davis and Thomas, I like how hard they run and they don't go down easily. Kelly, in limited duty, has made some big catches the last few weeks.I'm not totally convinced Campbell and Portis are gone next year. I'd like to see more of Mason because I think Portis and Mason could go with a change-of-pace RB that they draft next year for a nice trio. Campbell's never going to be great and misses way too many open receivers, especially deep, but he does make plays when on the run and is extremely tough. Fact is, unless they draft a QB in the first two rounds next year, they have nothing else at QB.Landry will be around and he's playing better. Yes, he whiffed on Avant yesterday which led to a big gain on the Eagles' 4th Q TD drive, but he made some good hits across the middle and I really like how they used him in the A gap on the goalline plays. Tryon and Barnes played quite a bit yesterday and didn't embarrass themselves.Orakpo seems to be slipping a little the last few weeks. And I'm not just referring to the fact that he has no sacks the last two games after recording one in 6 of the previous 7 games. He simply hasn't been getting near the QB often enough. He did have a nice bullrush that flushed McNabb out of the pocket on the DeSean Jackson TD. His bullrush impresses me for a guy who isn't pushing 300 lbs.

Season has been over since they didn't hit those 50pts against STL and the Bucs. I agree about Thomas. I'm not sold on Davis. He is still bouncing balls off his hands and lost the ball after he went out of bounds yesterday. I haven't focused on his blocking, but I'd be willing to bet it still isn't very good. Having two good TEs isn't that big of a factor. Dallass has them and a good play results every couple weeks. I try not to get too excited for Kelly. I don't think his knees will make it through a second contract. I officially hate Landry. Can't wait for him to be gone. Maybe a new coach can revitalize his career like Gregg Williams is doing to Sharper in NO. I bet it happens in his contract year. Orakpo and Carter have been suffering since Haynesworth has been out. There is no question Haynesworth is worth every penny.

 

[TobiasFunke]

I'm littleVERY concerned that these "good efforts" sentiments are leading to an unwarranted sense of things not being all that bad in the fan base and the front office, and we won't get the total overhaul we all assumed was coming a month ago.

fixed and This cannot be said enough. This little spurt of playing "better" will be seen by Vinny as justification that he's been right all along and he'll find a way to convince Snyder that he should keep his job. Hell, I can even see Zorn and Campbell being kept around for another year, since the team is "playing better".

This, more so than the draft pick, is the reason I'm not all that concerned about us ending the season at 4-12 or so. Like others have said, I can't bring myself to root against the team on a week-to-week basis. But I am REALLY concerned that Snyder won't do a complete overhaul at season's end. I can imagine him standing pat at 6-10 or even 5-11 with "improvement" being shown. But at 4-12 or 3-13 we're pretty much guaranteed that he'll blow the whole thing up- especially if we get an upcapped year.

 

[dgreen]

I'm not sold on Davis. He is still bouncing balls off his hands and lost the ball after he went out of bounds yesterday. I haven't focused on his blocking, but I'd be willing to bet it still isn't very good. Having two good TEs isn't that big of a factor. Dallass has them and a good play results every couple weeks.

He has way too many of those quick, short passes bounce off his hands. The one in ATL ended up being a pick-6 and a couple others since then have been scary. He just doesn't seem to handle the ones well where he's having to react immediately after turning his head.As for his blocking, Keim had positive things to say about his run blocking after the Denver game. It's supposedly something he's been working on.

Orakpo and Carter have been suffering since Haynesworth has been out. There is no question Haynesworth is worth every penny.

Good point. Not sure how I could forget that. But, still, our hope for Orakpo should be that he's the reason others on the DL do well. He obviously still has time, being a rookie, but it's not going to be good if he requires a stud DT next to him.

 

[buster c]

Great game! They actually look like an NFL team now. Yes, there are plenty of things that are not right or could have been done differently, but considering that all our main players are out...very surprised and pleased with their preformance. Hey, they are improving and making teams actually have to earn their victory and best part...we get to stay in the hunt for a GREAT draft slot.

The more they lose the better their draft spot will be. But no matter how disgusted I get at times I am completely unable to root for them to lose. I just can't. It feels like shooting my mom or something. I'm glad to see this rag-tag team playing better.

I tend to agree with him. Every team has injuries. Sure, we've been hit harder than most, but none of our injuries on the offensive side of the ball have been as significant as the Eagles loss of Westbrook, and they find a way to keep chugging along.

bEagles have replaced Westy with McCoy - a downgrade, to be sure, but nothing like what the Skins had to work with when Samuels went down. It's like comparing a High Schooler to a Pro.

 

[buster c]

We lost another close game. Big deal. I'm sure everyone was with me thinking we wouldn't hold on to win that one. Especially after settling for 3 after the Tryon pick. We can rehash why Zorn can't coach, and how bad the D is when we need them the most, but who cares? The season is over.

Dude, the season's been over for a while. I'm just excited that the last 3 weeks have resembled actual NFL football.

This is not the same team or staff that we will be cheering for next year.

For the most part, you're probably right. But, certain guys will be back.The 2nd round trio are playing more and more and playing better. Not leaps and bounds better, but still better. I like what I've seen from Devin Thomas recently. He's good with the ball in his hands. For the most part, he looks pretty good on kick returns and is starting to make some big catches. Fred Davis, while still dropping some tough balls, looks like a legit NFL TE. I can only hope we have a coaching staff that can come up with some ways to use both Cooley and Davis together. With both Davis and Thomas, I like how hard they run and they don't go down easily. Kelly, in limited duty, has made some big catches the last few weeks.

I'm not totally convinced Campbell and Portis are gone next year. I'd like to see more of Mason because I think Portis and Mason could go with a change-of-pace RB that they draft next year for a nice trio. Campbell's never going to be great and misses way too many open receivers, especially deep, but he does make plays when on the run and is extremely tough. Fact is, unless they draft a QB in the first two rounds next year, they have nothing else at QB.

Landry will be around and he's playing better. Yes, he whiffed on Avant yesterday which led to a big gain on the Eagles' 4th Q TD drive, but he made some good hits across the middle and I really like how they used him in the A gap on the goalline plays. Tryon and Barnes played quite a bit yesterday and didn't embarrass themselves.

Orakpo seems to be slipping a little the last few weeks. And I'm not just referring to the fact that he has no sacks the last two games after recording one in 6 of the previous 7 games. He simply hasn't been getting near the QB often enough. He did have a nice bullrush that flushed McNabb out of the pocket on the DeSean Jackson TD. His bullrush impresses me for a guy who isn't pushing 300 lbs.

Season has been over since they didn't hit those 50pts against STL and the Bucs. I agree about Thomas. I'm not sold on Davis. He is still bouncing balls off his hands and lost the ball after he went out of bounds yesterday. I haven't focused on his blocking, but I'd be willing to bet it still isn't very good. Having two good TEs isn't that big of a factor. Dallass has them and a good play results every couple weeks.

I try not to get too excited for Kelly. I don't think his knees will make it through a second contract.

I officially hate Landry. Can't wait for him to be gone. Maybe a new coach can revitalize his career like Gregg Williams is doing to Sharper in NO. I bet it happens in his contract year.

Orakpo and Carter have been suffering since Haynesworth has been out. There is no question Haynesworth is worth every penny.

actually, there are a lot of questions. define "worth" and we can go from there.

I think that the Skins probably would still be at 3-8 without him. So where is the value? And if we're going to blow it all up and start fresh with new coaches and players and build the right way, his contract will limit our ability to do it.

don't get me wrong - he's a great DT. But this team needs to be rebuilt as a TEAM and not a fantasy roster. Until we're one run-stuffer away from the NFC championship, his worth is worthy of full questioning

 

[TobiasFunke]

Great game! They actually look like an NFL team now. Yes, there are plenty of things that are not right or could have been done differently, but considering that all our main players are out...very surprised and pleased with their preformance. Hey, they are improving and making teams actually have to earn their victory and best part...we get to stay in the hunt for a GREAT draft slot.

The more they lose the better their draft spot will be. But no matter how disgusted I get at times I am completely unable to root for them to lose. I just can't. It feels like shooting my mom or something. I'm glad to see this rag-tag team playing better.

I tend to agree with him. Every team has injuries. Sure, we've been hit harder than most, but none of our injuries on the offensive side of the ball have been as significant as the Eagles loss of Westbrook, and they find a way to keep chugging along.

bEagles have replaced Westy with McCoy - a downgrade, to be sure, but nothing like what the Skins had to work with when Samuels went down. It's like comparing a High Schooler to a Pro.

That's exactly my point- they suffered the more significant injury, so why hasn't their play suffered? Because they have outstanding depth. You can't fault a team for injuries for the most part, but you can fault them for failure to be prepared. The Eagles knew Westbrook was an injury risk and the organization accounted for that with skilled personnel decisions. The Skins knew (or should have known) the offensive line was an injury risk, and they failed to account for that. The point is, the organization can't use injuries as an excuse. It's not their fault they lost Samuels and Thomas, but it IS their fault that they didn't have the OL equivalent of McCoy as a backup.

 

[dgreen]

Cooley and Jarmon to IR. Is there a limit to how many players can be on IR?

 

[Maroney=Sped]

Cooley and Jarmon to IR. Is there a limit to how many players can be on IR?

What was Jarmon's injury?

 

[dgreen]

Cooley and Jarmon to IR. Is there a limit to how many players can be on IR?

What was Jarmon's injury?

ACL. Happened on the Eagle's first drive, I think.

 

[Sidewinder16]

Ugh.Ugh, Ugh, Ugh.AAAUUUUUUGGGHHH!!! (Remember when the Kite-Eating Tree got another one of Charlie Brown's?)...Why am I making these noises, you ask?I've gotten the low-down on why ARE continues to be our primary punt returner......and it has everything to do with Upper Managment/Ownership Meddling......let's focus on the impending Game, and I'll get into it later, but for now let's just say:

The suspense is driving me crazy. Should I stop checking back in here every half hour?

 

[dgreen]

Ugh.Ugh, Ugh, Ugh.AAAUUUUUUGGGHHH!!! (Remember when the Kite-Eating Tree got another one of Charlie Brown's?)...Why am I making these noises, you ask?I've gotten the low-down on why ARE continues to be our primary punt returner......and it has everything to do with Upper Managment/Ownership Meddling......let's focus on the impending Game, and I'll get into it later, but for now let's just say:

The suspense is driving me crazy. Should I stop checking back in here every half hour?

I could be wrong, but I think we usually just get hints from nittanylion and rarely the full story. Then again, sometimes his posts are so freakin' long that I don't even start reading them because I'm so incredibly lazy.

 

[fatness]

What did you think of the Mike Wise column in which he basically says that "playing better" should not be enough? I tend to agree with him. Every team has injuries. Sure, we've been hit harder than most, but none of our injuries on the offensive side of the ball have been as significant as the Eagles loss of Westbrook, and they find a way to keep chugging along.I'm a little concerned that these "good efforts" sentiments are leading to an unwarranted sense of things not being all that bad in the fan base and the front office, and we won't get the total overhaul we all assumed was coming a month ago.

Playing better isn't enough, so I guess I agree with him (although I haven't read his column). The Redskins' injuries are so devastating because there's so little roster depth, especially on the offensive line. 7th grade children could see last year that the O-line was the biggest problem on the team, that the vets were aging, declining, and very prone to injury, and that a large amount of help was needed. Yet the front office got no help in the offseason with the exception of signing Dockery. The problem is a roster problem and a front office problem.All I'm saying is that I'd rather see sub-par players playing hard, than see sub-par players loafing or not caring.

 

[Maroney=Sped]

Great game! They actually look like an NFL team now. Yes, there are plenty of things that are not right or could have been done differently, but considering that all our main players are out...very surprised and pleased with their preformance. Hey, they are improving and making teams actually have to earn their victory and best part...we get to stay in the hunt for a GREAT draft slot.

The more they lose the better their draft spot will be. But no matter how disgusted I get at times I am completely unable to root for them to lose. I just can't. It feels like shooting my mom or something. I'm glad to see this rag-tag team playing better.

What did you think of the Mike Wise column in which he basically says that "playing better" should not be enough? I tend to agree with him. Every team has injuries. Sure, we've been hit harder than most, but none of our injuries on the offensive side of the ball have been as significant as the Eagles loss of Westbrook, and they find a way to keep chugging along.I'm a little concerned that these "good efforts" sentiments are leading to an unwarranted sense of things not being all that bad in the fan base and the front office, and we won't get the total overhaul we all assumed was coming a month ago.

So you're saying that the drop-off from Westbrook to McCoy is as much or greater than the drop-off from Samuels-Dockery-Rabach-Thomas-Heyerto Heyer-Dockery-Rabach-Montgomery-Williamsto Heyer-Dockery-Rabach-Rinehart-WilliamstoJones-Dockery-Rabach-Williams-Heyer?Seriously?

 

[fatness]

Jason Reid

Mike Williams returned against Philadelphia after sitting out two games because of an ankle injury. It appears he still can drive block.

A kind way of saying "It appears he still cannot pass block."

 

[fatness]

Campbell's face stayed pressed against the sod for a minute or more, the fingers of his throwing hand tapping the ground as though thrumming them would somehow help him regain consciousness and, in time, sensation in his arm.

It's time for the town and the franchise itself to appreciate the 27-year-old, who is a restricted free agent after this season, for what he is -- a competent, gritty, middle-of-the-pack quarterback -- and not damn him for what he'll probably never become -- a top-shelf star. It's time to love the one you're with, 'cause the ones you dream about are nowhere in sight. And they aren't coming soon.

Tom Boswell on Jason Campbell

The Redskins seem most interested in two young quarterbacks in the draft -- Jimmy Clausen of Notre Dame and Colt McCoy of Texas. Neither, compared to Campbell, looks superior in arm strength, size or toughness. One veteran Redskins linemen, when their names were mentioned in the same sentence with Campbell, just curled his lip and said, "This is the NFL."

His meaning? The hot college boys come and go. Mostly, they go. The flop rate is astronomical. As for the unknowns that arrive undrafted then become stars -- like Warner and Romo -- that's like catching lightning in a bottle. Even if the Redskins draft another Colt or a Jimmy, he's probably not going to be polished enough to be their quarterback for two or three years. Right now, the Redskins have a lot of problems, starting at the top of the organization.

They are 3-8 and headed toward more defeats. When healthy, they played worse than they have when depleted, so "when we get healthy again next year" is a rationalization that won't fly. There's no championship run in this team's immediate future. The Redskins have lots to fix, many positions to which to devote resources. They can keep the team's most vital position -- quarterback -- stable just by matching the highest rival offer and keeping their restricted free agent. Will they be wise enough to do it?

 

[dgreen]

I would be totally ok with re-signing Campbell to an average QB contract for like 3 years. If he wants a lot more, let him walk. But, there just isn't anything out there and they shouldn't use their first pick next year on a QB unless there's an uberstud, which I don't think there is.

 

[Maroney=Sped]

I would be totally ok with re-signing Campbell to an average QB contract for like 3 years. If he wants a lot more, let him walk. But, there just isn't anything out there and they shouldn't use their first pick next year on a QB unless there's an uberstud, which I don't think there is.

Build that line, use more 2 TE sets, and he'll be ok. Rypien didn't light the world on fire but he got it done when he had a good team around him. Moss, Thomas, Kelly, ARE, Portis, Cooley and Davis, et al should be sufficient support for Campbell if they can fix the line and their game planning and play-calling problems.

 

[dgreen]

I would be totally ok with re-signing Campbell to an average QB contract for like 3 years. If he wants a lot more, let him walk. But, there just isn't anything out there and they shouldn't use their first pick next year on a QB unless there's an uberstud, which I don't think there is.

Build that line, use more 2 TE sets, and he'll be ok. Rypien didn't light the world on fire but he got it done when he had a good team around him. Moss, Thomas, Kelly, ARE, Portis, Cooley and Davis, et al should be sufficient support for Campbell if they can fix the line and their game planning and play-calling problems.

I think I've already said it, but I'd use the 1st round pick on OL and my 2nd on a RB. If they can trade down and add a 3rd, then I might go OL/OL/RB. But, I really think they should add a RB. And I say this still being a Portis supporter. But, even as someone who still thinks Portis can play, it probably isn't for much longer and they need a playmaker.

 

[Maroney=Sped]

And BTW, isn't it amazing how good Campbell can look rolling out of the pocket? How the hell did that take the team 2 coaching staffs and 3 years to figure that out?

 

[dgreen]

And BTW, isn't it amazing how good Campbell can look rolling out of the pocket? How the hell did that take the team 2 coaching staffs and 3 years to figure that out?

Whether they are designed or not, it seems to be the only way he makes big plays. His not a great runner, but he's a good enough runner that I think defenders focus on that and lose receivers. He's usually pretty good at converting those into big gains or TDs.

 

[Maroney=Sped]

And BTW, isn't it amazing how good Campbell can look rolling out of the pocket? How the hell did that take the team 2 coaching staffs and 3 years to figure that out?

Whether they are designed or not, it seems to be the only way he makes big plays. His not a great runner, but he's a good enough runner that I think defenders focus on that and lose receivers. He's usually pretty good at converting those into big gains or TDs.

Don't underestimate Campbell's mobility - it's good. He's not Michael Vick, but he's good. I think being on the move helps his timing, and it's also clearly in his comfort zone. I also think it simplifies things for him because he then can read half the field, and all while the defense is forced to stay on DB's for extended periods of time and also read whether his roll-out will turn into a scramble. And he's got a strong arm that can make accurate throws while on the move. Whether or not you think it's flattering for his overall skill level as a QB, it certainly plays to his strengths and should have been used far more than it has been.

 

[Bizkiteer]

Great game! They actually look like an NFL team now. Yes, there are plenty of things that are not right or could have been done differently, but considering that all our main players are out...very surprised and pleased with their preformance. Hey, they are improving and making teams actually have to earn their victory and best part...we get to stay in the hunt for a GREAT draft slot.

The more they lose the better their draft spot will be. But no matter how disgusted I get at times I am completely unable to root for them to lose. I just can't. It feels like shooting my mom or something. I'm glad to see this rag-tag team playing better.

I can and will never cheer for a loss. I like what I've seen from the team the past 3 weeks, I see effort and us actually looking like an NFL team. Considering what we looked like before, mis-guided HS team, and now...night and day difference. Best part is the team is improving as the young guys are getting reps and they are doing very well with their play too. Although we are improving, we are still in the lower tier and should be able to get some help in at least one draft pick.Great game and I can take that loss x1,000 over our earlier losses for sure.Of course, the fear is that the DanMan and Boy Blunder will think that we are not as bad as we really are...scary, huh?

 

[Bizkiteer]

And BTW, isn't it amazing how good Campbell can look rolling out of the pocket? How the hell did that take the team 2 coaching staffs and 3 years to figure that out?

Whether they are designed or not, it seems to be the only way he makes big plays. His not a great runner, but he's a good enough runner that I think defenders focus on that and lose receivers. He's usually pretty good at converting those into big gains or TDs.

Don't underestimate Campbell's mobility - it's good. He's not Michael Vick, but he's good. I think being on the move helps his timing, and it's also clearly in his comfort zone. I also think it simplifies things for him because he then can read half the field, and all while the defense is forced to stay on DB's for extended periods of time and also read whether his roll-out will turn into a scramble. And he's got a strong arm that can make accurate throws while on the move. Whether or not you think it's flattering for his overall skill level as a QB, it certainly plays to his strengths and should have been used far more than it has been.

I know Campbell had a hard time from college to playing for us with so many different coaches & systems. I will say that he is trying his best, but that is about it. Great guy, but not great QB. His overall play has been bad and he just doesn't have what it takes to carry a team on his back and win a game. His accuracy is HORRIBLE and his WRs and TEs make him look far better than he is...and you've seen our WR/TE corps, right? JC is frustrating to no end and is so gun shy as he shows each game to be indecisive as can be in choosing when and who to throw the ball to. The only reason he can be tolerated this season is the margin that's given to him since he's playing behind one of the worst OL in the NFL. Again, Campbell is a great guy, but not a great QB...regardless if he's running or staying in the pocket.