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***Official*** 2009 Washington Redskins Thread (1 Viewer)

I will say that he is trying his best, but that is about it. Great guy, but not great QB.
For now, I say that's good enough. A big problem with this organization is saying "Player X isn't great, so we need to replace him." Build a decent team first, then worry about adding those Super Bowl pieces. Campbell can lead a decent team to a decent record. For now, that's all I want. Get the other pieces in place and then worry about whether you need to upgrade the QB position. Right now there are guys starting on the OL who shouldn't even be backups.
 
Hey, all. OK, here's what I gather:

When ARE signed his big Free Agent Contract for the Redskins, it involved him being signed to be both a WR and Punt Returner. He got paid significantly bigger bucks than he would have as just a WR by having the PR thing made a big point in his Contract.

Well, apparently, it doesn't concern the Front Office, that he likes it or not, that he still wants to do it or not, or if he's any good at it or not. Their attitude apparently is - that's the job you're being paid to do, so that's the job you're going to do...and if you (ARE) really don't want to do it that badly, then you're free to grab your agent, march up to the office and voluntarily renegotiate yourself into a cheaper deal that only pays you as a WR...

...but as long as you're making that money, that's your job, and it doesn't matter one bit if you're good at it or not - it's what you're taking our money to do, and by God, you're gonna do it until you say uncle and take a pay cut to have that removed from your job description...

...of course, ARE isn't saying uncle...he's pretty much saying: well, if you don't care HOW I do the job, and you're going to pay me regardless of how I perform, well...

...end result: 2 yards laterally, and a flop...again, and again, and again.

If true... :wall: :wall: :wall:

 
Hey, all. OK, here's what I gather:When ARE signed his big Free Agent Contract for the Redskins, it involved him being signed to be both a WR and Punt Returner. He got paid significantly bigger bucks than he would have as just a WR by having the PR thing made a big point in his Contract.Well, apparently, it doesn't concern the Front Office, that he likes it or not, that he still wants to do it or not, or if he's any good at it or not. Their attitude apparently is - that's the job you're being paid to do, so that's the job you're going to do...and if you (ARE) really don't want to do it that badly, then you're free to grab your agent, march up to the office and voluntarily renegotiate yourself into a cheaper deal that only pays you as a WR......but as long as you're making that money, that's your job, and it doesn't matter one bit if you're good at it or not - it's what you're taking our money to do, and by God, you're gonna do it until you say uncle and take a pay cut to have that removed from your job description......of course, ARE isn't saying uncle...he's pretty much saying: well, if you don't care HOW I do the job, and you're going to pay me regardless of how I perform, well......end result: 2 yards laterally, and a flop...again, and again, and again.If true... :wall: :wall: :wall:
If that is the case, I'm sure am glad they didn't have that view with Archuleta. He was brought in to be the starting SS and he was terrible. Maybe with Gibbs gone, Snyderetto butts in more.
 
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That's a better explanation than I was expecting. Sure, still not what's best for the football team, but it's better than "Danny wants ARE returning punts because thinks he's the best to do the job," or, "Vinny wants ARE returning punts so he can look like a genius for bringing him in."

But, as southeastjerome points out, this theory doesn't appear to be consistent with other players during Snyder's reign.

 
TobiasFunke said:
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Great game! They actually look like an NFL team now. Yes, there are plenty of things that are not right or could have been done differently, but considering that all our main players are out...very surprised and pleased with their preformance. Hey, they are improving and making teams actually have to earn their victory and best part...we get to stay in the hunt for a GREAT draft slot. :confused:
The more they lose the better their draft spot will be. But no matter how disgusted I get at times I am completely unable to root for them to lose. I just can't. It feels like shooting my mom or something. I'm glad to see this rag-tag team playing better.
What did you think of the Mike Wise column in which he basically says that "playing better" should not be enough? I tend to agree with him. Every team has injuries. Sure, we've been hit harder than most, but none of our injuries on the offensive side of the ball have been as significant as the Eagles loss of Westbrook, and they find a way to keep chugging along.I'm a little concerned that these "good efforts" sentiments are leading to an unwarranted sense of things not being all that bad in the fan base and the front office, and we won't get the total overhaul we all assumed was coming a month ago.
So you're saying that the drop-off from Westbrook to McCoy is as much or greater than the drop-off from Samuels-Dockery-Rabach-Thomas-Heyerto Heyer-Dockery-Rabach-Montgomery-Williamsto Heyer-Dockery-Rabach-Rinehart-WilliamstoJones-Dockery-Rabach-Williams-Heyer?Seriously?
Of course not.I'm saying it's the organization's fault that the dropoff on the O-Line is so great. The Eagles saw a mild injury risk in Westbrook and made outstanding personnel decisions to account for it. The Redskins saw (or should have seen) a HUGE injury risk on the O-Line and did nothing about it. They don't deserve a pass for that. I used the Eagles/Westbrook example simply to show that EVERY team suffers injuries to key personnel; the good ones have the intelligence and resourcefulness to prepare for and to adjust to personnel changes as needed.
 
For redman:

The Redskins had planned to feature Chris Cooley and Fred Davis in multiple tight-end formations often this season.

But Davis earlier in the season did not display the improvement that coaches had hoped for.
Although he is under contract next season, Zorn is not expected to return in 2010. Will a new head coach find value in having Cooley and Davis on the field together? Will the Redskins remain committed to running a version of the West Coast offense?

"I definitely think it would be good to use us out there together," said Davis, who has become a key part of the offense since Cooley has been out. "We've done some of that, and I definitely think we can do more and make plays out there together. That would just make it tougher on the defense."
 
I will say that he is trying his best, but that is about it. Great guy, but not great QB.
For now, I say that's good enough. A big problem with this organization is saying "Player X isn't great, so we need to replace him." Build a decent team first, then worry about adding those Super Bowl pieces. Campbell can lead a decent team to a decent record. For now, that's all I want. Get the other pieces in place and then worry about whether you need to upgrade the QB position. Right now there are guys starting on the OL who shouldn't even be backups.
Right, we do need major help in other areas. As for Campbell, we don't need to re-sign him...especially if we have a new coaching staff. We can get a cheap and better QB without having to draft one in the top 5. Also, I'll point out that "Campbell can lead" is pure assumption and there plenty of evidence that shows that he can't get us to a "decent record."
 
Hey, all. OK, here's what I gather:When ARE signed his big Free Agent Contract for the Redskins, it involved him being signed to be both a WR and Punt Returner. He got paid significantly bigger bucks than he would have as just a WR by having the PR thing made a big point in his Contract.Well, apparently, it doesn't concern the Front Office, that he likes it or not, that he still wants to do it or not, or if he's any good at it or not. Their attitude apparently is - that's the job you're being paid to do, so that's the job you're going to do...and if you (ARE) really don't want to do it that badly, then you're free to grab your agent, march up to the office and voluntarily renegotiate yourself into a cheaper deal that only pays you as a WR......but as long as you're making that money, that's your job, and it doesn't matter one bit if you're good at it or not - it's what you're taking our money to do, and by God, you're gonna do it until you say uncle and take a pay cut to have that removed from your job description......of course, ARE isn't saying uncle...he's pretty much saying: well, if you don't care HOW I do the job, and you're going to pay me regardless of how I perform, well......end result: 2 yards laterally, and a flop...again, and again, and again.If true... :popcorn: :wall: :wall:
Is this the same source who told you that the Skins coaching staff was lukewarm on Fred Davis as a receiver but excited at his potential to be "another tackle" in the blocking game? This explanation reads like something someone pulled out of his ###. I don't mean to be a ####. I'm just not sure how much I'd trust your source.
 
Did I hear correctly that the line is only 9 points?
9.5 right now, along with the highest O/U for the week (48).I have a feeling the Saints will easily cover.
Here's my understanding of how Vegas works. When you see a line like this that seems so obvious in one team's favor, the smart money is actually on the other side. It's possible that "high rollers" have put a lot of money on the Redskins, so a lower-than-expected line is needed to get all the Average Joe bettors to take the Saints side and even out the money. This is what probably happened with Washington-Denver. A 6-2 team was only favored by 3.5 against a 2-6 team. It seemed obvious to take Denver -3.5. But, there was likely a lot of money by a few really knowledgeable gamblers on the Redskins...and they tend to know what they're doing.So, just based on that, I wouldn't be surprised to see Washington cover. New Orleans is coming off a high. This isn't a division game. This isn't a big matchup against a really good team where New Orleans can show again how good they are. Other than keeping their undefeated record, they don't have a ton of motivation to use. (OK, so Greggggg has motivation. Seriously, his D may really abuse our O.) In Washington's favor could be the return of guys like Haynesworth and Hall. This New Orleans offense really isn't much different than last year's offense which Washington handled well. Washington, other than their run D, is playing better recently. All of that could lead to a closer game than most expect. Or, of course, it could go the way that seems obvious - a blowout.
 
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So, just based on that, I wouldn't be surprised to see Washington cover. New Orleans is coming off a high. This isn't a division game. This isn't a big matchup against a really good team where New Orleans can show again how good they are. Other than keeping their undefeated record, they don't have a ton of motivation to use. (OK, so Greggggg has motivation. Seriously, his D may really abuse our O.) In Washington's favor could be the return of guys like Haynesworth and Hall. This New Orleans offense really isn't much different than last year's offense which Washington handled well. Washington, other than their run D, is playing better recently. All of that could lead to a closer game than most expect. Or, of course, it could go the way that seems obvious - a blowout.
I disagree that the NO offense isn't much different than the one Washington faced last year. NO didn't have Colston that game and at that time they were still using Reggie Bush as a primary ball carrier (17 touches in that game; Thomas had 8). Meachem and Henderson were a combined 3/25/1.This year, Bush is out as the RB1 and their running game is much better with Bell and Thomas, Colston is back and as good as ever, and the other WRs and Shockey are a much bigger part of the passing game (for the most part, Shockey, Meachem and Henderson have already met or exceeded their stat totals from last year). This offense can score at will, and I don't like the chances when the 'Skins secondary has been so prone to horrific breakdowns in coverage. The Saints are just scary good on offense. If the 'Skins play the perfect game defensively (and that's a huge "if"), maybe they have a chance of holding them to 21-24 points. But as you said their D should just abuse the patchwork OL Washington will be trotting out on Sunday and the 'Skins will probably be lucky to score more than 6.
 
Hey, all. OK, here's what I gather:When ARE signed his big Free Agent Contract for the Redskins, it involved him being signed to be both a WR and Punt Returner. He got paid significantly bigger bucks than he would have as just a WR by having the PR thing made a big point in his Contract.Well, apparently, it doesn't concern the Front Office, that he likes it or not, that he still wants to do it or not, or if he's any good at it or not. Their attitude apparently is - that's the job you're being paid to do, so that's the job you're going to do...and if you (ARE) really don't want to do it that badly, then you're free to grab your agent, march up to the office and voluntarily renegotiate yourself into a cheaper deal that only pays you as a WR......but as long as you're making that money, that's your job, and it doesn't matter one bit if you're good at it or not - it's what you're taking our money to do, and by God, you're gonna do it until you say uncle and take a pay cut to have that removed from your job description......of course, ARE isn't saying uncle...he's pretty much saying: well, if you don't care HOW I do the job, and you're going to pay me regardless of how I perform, well......end result: 2 yards laterally, and a flop...again, and again, and again.If true... :unsure: :shrug: :wall:
Is this the same source who told you that the Skins coaching staff was lukewarm on Fred Davis as a receiver but excited at his potential to be "another tackle" in the blocking game? This explanation reads like something someone pulled out of his ###. I don't mean to be a ####. I'm just not sure how much I'd trust your source.
link?I'm not sure about his blocking abilities and wouldn't hope for him to be an OT, but I too am lukewarm on his receiving skills. He can run with the ball, though.As for ARE, I suspected as much. He's going to be forced to justify their overpaying for his services. Typical Snyder.
 
Did I hear correctly that the line is only 9 points?
9.5 right now, along with the highest O/U for the week (48).I have a feeling the Saints will easily cover.
Here's my understanding of how Vegas works. When you see a line like this that seems so obvious in one team's favor, the smart money is actually on the other side. It's possible that "high rollers" have put a lot of money on the Redskins, so a lower-than-expected line is needed to get all the Average Joe bettors to take the Saints side and even out the money. This is what probably happened with Washington-Denver. A 6-2 team was only favored by 3.5 against a 2-6 team. It seemed obvious to take Denver -3.5. But, there was likely a lot of money by a few really knowledgeable gamblers on the Redskins...and they tend to know what they're doing.So, just based on that, I wouldn't be surprised to see Washington cover. New Orleans is coming off a high. This isn't a division game. This isn't a big matchup against a really good team where New Orleans can show again how good they are. Other than keeping their undefeated record, they don't have a ton of motivation to use. (OK, so Greggggg has motivation. Seriously, his D may really abuse our O.) In Washington's favor could be the return of guys like Haynesworth and Hall. This New Orleans offense really isn't much different than last year's offense which Washington handled well. Washington, other than their run D, is playing better recently. All of that could lead to a closer game than most expect. Or, of course, it could go the way that seems obvious - a blowout.
Bingo. The books aren't in the business of losing money. A line this out of whack with conventional wisdom means either Vegas or a couple whales are making plays on the Skins this week.
 
Redskins guys,

With Cooley on IR and making negative statements about the team and Portis cleared to go but not returning, do you think both are done with the team? And, is so, do you see that as a good or bad thing?

Seems to me like Portis is nearing the end and the Skins should draft a running back early this coming draft; and it seems to me that the Skins already have the piece in place (Fred Davis) to step in and replace Cooley -- at much lower salary. Please correct me if you see it another way.

 
Redskins guys,With Cooley on IR and making negative statements about the team and Portis cleared to go but not returning, do you think both are done with the team? And, is so, do you see that as a good or bad thing?Seems to me like Portis is nearing the end and the Skins should draft a running back early this coming draft; and it seems to me that the Skins already have the piece in place (Fred Davis) to step in and replace Cooley -- at much lower salary. Please correct me if you see it another way.
Portis is only gone next year if it remains uncapped, and even then it's not a guarantee. Cooley isn't going anywhere.
 
Redskins guys,With Cooley on IR and making negative statements about the team and Portis cleared to go but not returning, do you think both are done with the team? And, is so, do you see that as a good or bad thing?Seems to me like Portis is nearing the end and the Skins should draft a running back early this coming draft; and it seems to me that the Skins already have the piece in place (Fred Davis) to step in and replace Cooley -- at much lower salary. Please correct me if you see it another way.
Portis is only gone next year if it remains uncapped, and even then it's not a guarantee. Cooley isn't going anywhere.
I think Portis is 100% gone if uncapped year...they only way to rid the salary for him. Yes, he's declined and will soon ride off in the sunset like the recently Edge. 1-2 yrs of okay production elsewhere and then bye bye.As for Cooley, I'm not so sure. I think the 'Skins have no plans to move him, but he is value and could fetch a player of more need for one of glaring holes. Also, knowing the DanMan and Boy Blunder...they will fall for a player (rookie) and trade Cooley to move up and get him. So, wouldn't be surprised if it did happen.
 
Redskins guys,With Cooley on IR and making negative statements about the team and Portis cleared to go but not returning, do you think both are done with the team? And, is so, do you see that as a good or bad thing?Seems to me like Portis is nearing the end and the Skins should draft a running back early this coming draft; and it seems to me that the Skins already have the piece in place (Fred Davis) to step in and replace Cooley -- at much lower salary. Please correct me if you see it another way.
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Ugh.Ugh, Ugh, Ugh.AAAUUUUUUGGGHHH!!! (Remember when the Kite-Eating Tree got another one of Charlie Brown's?)...Why am I making these noises, you ask?I've gotten the low-down on why ARE continues to be our primary punt returner......and it has everything to do with Upper Managment/Ownership Meddling......let's focus on the impending Game, and I'll get into it later, but for now let's just say: :lol:
The suspense is driving me crazy. Should I stop checking back in here every half hour?
I could be wrong, but I think we usually just get hints from nittanylion and rarely the full story. Then again, sometimes his posts are so freakin' long that I don't even start reading them because I'm so incredibly lazy.
is a quality verses quantity issue. you should try it. :lmao:
 
From CBS:

LB Brian Orakpo may be slowly migrating back to his natural defensive end position. With LB H.B. Blades and LB Chris Wilson seeing time at strong side LB, Orakpo will appear more as part of the DE rotation.
LB Brian Orakpo on LB H.B. Blades working in his place with the first defense: "The coaches are trying utilize my strengths. They want me rushing the passer more. I will be in there as part of the rotation."
LB H.B. Blades on working with the first defense in practice: "It is completely based on preparing for this particular opponent (Saints). Coaches want to utilize my skills at linebacker so Brian (Orakpo) can be used elsewhere."
 
I assume the Saints will use a lot of 3 WR sets, which is usually a situation Orakpo plays DE. But, I'd like to see them start to make the switch permanent regardless of opposing team's personnel and formations. And, I'd really like to see Blades play more. He's been solid on ST and it's about time we really see what we have in him at LB.

 
Skins 22Saints 21
First downs? The 'Skins are going to lose by double digits. What's going to be fun to watch, however, is Gregg Williams' defense against Campbell and the offense. Williams figures to know Campbell well, albeit in another system, and you know Williams wants to make a statement to Snyder with his defense's performance. I'm sure he was lisping that to his players all week.
 
I've been watching this team for a long time (since the mid-60s :rolleyes: ) but I have NEVER seen a loss like this one. Between the interception/strip/TD Saints, to the missed FG, to the fumble by Sellers, I've never seen EVERY break go against the Redskins. And the next person who tells me the Skins are the "#1 pass defense in the league" deserves a serious beat down. Sheesh... :kickscan:

 
I think I'm done. It's getting to be too much.

Today a line was crossed. Not only did they let me down (again), I'm fighting for a playoff spot and was going against Meachem. They made it personal.

 
So many things wrong with this game. Here is just one. Saints line up for 58 yard game winning FG. Who is deep for the skins? Fred Smoot. Why not Santana Moss? Why not Santana Moss?????? :bag: :popcorn:

 
My thoughts on the game:

1. The Redskins played very well. The OL gave Campbell plenty of time to throw, did not up a sack, and opened holes for the running game.

2. Campbell looked good. I think he could still be a decent qb, but for some reason, if the game is on the line like when they are driving for a go ahead/winning field goal at the end, somthing bad will happen.

3. Devin Thomas actually looked good today. For some reason, I am still surprised when he catches a ball, but he caught a lot today. He does look good regularly fighting for extra yards.

4. Rock and Ganther looked ok running the ball. I was baffled why Mason go so much playing time.

5. The DL looked very good. Got a bit of pressue on Brees, although that was less later in the game. They completely stuffed the run. Brees is a good qb and he is going to complete a lot of passes.

6. Mrs. Marvelous mentioned that Landry was all over the field making tackles. But twice he bit on double moves that resulted in TDs. Not good for a free safety and last line of defense.

7. I don't think the Saints threw towards Carlos Rogers once. And Colston had a very quiet day except for the double move past Landry. It looks like Rogers had a stellar day covering Colston, but I am not certain this is how it worked out.

8. Speaking of Rogers, Smoot did his Rogers impersonation, dropping an interception.

9. The Redskins have a lot of bizzare things happen on punt returns. And bizzare is not good here. A shank punt hits Barnes in the back. Earlier in the year, a player (I think Barnes again) blocks someone into Randle El who fumbles a fair catch. It seems like there should be more awareness on the field.

10. I missed the last two games (on a cruise), but it sure feels like the Redskins will find just enough ways to lose the game. Not a good trait for a team.

 
So many things wrong with this game. Here is just one. Saints line up for 58 yard game winning FG. Who is deep for the skins? Fred Smoot. Why not Santana Moss? Why not Santana Moss?????? :hot: :grad:
I asked the same thing. Randle El and Moss return punts. Thomas was returning kickoffs. Why not use one of your established returnmen?
 
So many things wrong with this game. Here is just one. Saints line up for 58 yard game winning FG. Who is deep for the skins? Fred Smoot. Why not Santana Moss? Why not Santana Moss?????? :hot: :moneybag:
Agreed on both counts. Here is another: what the hell is Zorn doing icing the kicker for the 32 yarder on an outside hash? I'm sure the D was thinking the same thing I was that they were just going to center and down it and then they ran a stretch to inside the five. :thumbup:
 
That IDIOT KICKER has now lost two games for us. The 2 missed FG's vs DAL and now the 23 yd FG vs NO. I'm glad I don't live in the NoVa area anymore cuz I'd be tempted to go to Redskins Park and kick his tail for 23 yds or more at this point.

Anyone notice that LaRon Landry sure does a lot of trash talking and showboating...like after he hit D. Henderson and was clapping and cheering what a great hit/play he made, then the very next play gets burned by Meachem on a double move for a TD. Wondered why #30 wasn't clapping after for the GREAT play he made. Of course, it was the 2nd time he got burned on a double move for a TD in the same game. Boy he sure can hit though :shrug: :wall:

Loving the play of DT and F. Davis of late...DT really looked like he could be a legit #1 WR in the coming years. His effort is outstanding!

It's just too bad one guy had to ruin it for the other 52 guys on the sideline today.

 
That IDIOT KICKER has now lost two games for us. The 2 missed FG's vs DAL and now the 23 yd FG vs NO. I'm glad I don't live in the NoVa area anymore cuz I'd be tempted to go to Redskins Park and kick his tail for 23 yds or more at this point.

Anyone notice that LaRon Landry sure does a lot of trash talking and showboating...like after he hit D. Henderson and was clapping and cheering what a great hit/play he made, then the very next play gets burned by Meachem on a double move for a TD. Wondered why #30 wasn't clapping after for the GREAT play he made. Of course, it was the 2nd time he got burned on a double move for a TD in the same game. Boy he sure can hit though :shrug: :wall:

Loving the play of DT and F. Davis of late...DT really looked like he could be a legit #1 WR in the coming years. His effort is outstanding!

It's just too bad one guy had to ruin it for the other 52 guys on the sideline today.
You talking Suisham, Landry, Zorn, or the booth ref?Landry should never play another down as a FS ever again.

 
Ok. So not to complain about injuries, but Haynesworth "writhing in pain" easily saved the saints 15 seconds on the clock and they had time to regroup and plan. The Saints ran several plays within 30 seconds while the redskins ran only one or two before JC got picked.

 
This was the worst loss I have ever watched, Im sure living in New Orleans helps this feeling. I broke my remote, and was so close to throwing a beer threw my TV when Payton put his arms up when they decided to replay the Bell no TD. We lost because of a ####### kicker, and a OVERATED LSU HOMO #### YOU LANDRY. I will be getting a number 30 Jersey that either says I ####### SUCK or TOAST on the back

 
I think I'm done. It's getting to be too much.

Today a line was crossed. Not only did they let me down (again), I'm fighting for a playoff spot and was going against Meachem. They made it personal.
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I honestly would have cut Shuisham when he returned to the sidelines after missing that field goal. He CANNOT be back next year. CANNOT.
If he is on the team tomorrow... :goodposting: :rant: :rant: :wall:
Tony Dungy said after the highlights in the FNA show that he would cut a kicker like this, especially if he had to do it save his job.
 
it's too easy to blame the kicker for the last two L's

I agree with what Doc Walker said on the post-game show. When you're in the red zone and you are a 3 win team in December, throw all caution to the wind and try to punch the damn ball into the end zone instead of this chicken shic playing for a FG attitude.

blaming the kicker is akin to cutting of your nose to spite your face

 
it's too easy to blame the kicker for the last two L'sI agree with what Doc Walker said on the post-game show. When you're in the red zone and you are a 3 win team in December, throw all caution to the wind and try to punch the damn ball into the end zone instead of this chicken shic playing for a FG attitude. blaming the kicker is akin to cutting of your nose to spite your face
In general, I agree, but seriously when you are inside the 5 and draining the clock like the skins were, its the right move. Any NFL kicker should make that kick 199 out of 200.
 

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