***Official*** 2009 Washington Redskins Thread (1 Viewer)

[Marvelous]

this tempestuous move has 'spoiled little brat' written all over it. and we know these moves always backfire on us.I predict we will regret this move when Gono bounces a few off the goal posts..and he too will be gone. o

Even Dungy (who I actualy don't like) said Suisham had to go after costing two games. Kickers who miss 23 yarders with the game on the line don't deserve antother chance. We've given Suisham enough opportunities. It was looking like it would pay off till the Dallass game. They should have cut him Monday morning even without signing another guy. So, Danny insists that El keeps returning punts even though he can't because that is what he is getting paid for and Danny also insists on cutting Suisham because he can't kick even though he has to keep paying him. You guys are not very consistent with your allegations. Every GM, Owner, and coach in the league would agree that this was the right move. Kickers are very temperamental. Just look at Vanderjet. Most accurate kicker in history to bum for no reason. Change of scenery may be what Suisham needs. It is definitely what the Skins need.

The Randle El explanation give by nittanylion does not make much sense, although Randle El continuing to return kickoffs makes no sense at all. It was time for Suisham to go. He'll get another shot somewhere.

 

[Sidewinder16]

this tempestuous move has 'spoiled little brat' written all over it. and we know these moves always backfire on us.I predict we will regret this move when Gono bounces a few off the goal posts..and he too will be gone. o

Amazingly, I'm with buster on this. Suisham did not lose the game for them. He hadn't missed a kick until the Dallas game (and one of those was a 50+) and all 3 of his misses have come with the 'Skins ahead on the scoreboard.Sure, making them would have helped, but they weren't the reasons for the losses. He's (wrongly) being made a scapegoat, IMO.

 

[buster c]

this tempestuous move has 'spoiled little brat' written all over it.

and we know these moves always backfire on us.

I predict we will regret this move when Gono bounces a few off the goal posts..and he too will be gone. o

Even Dungy (who I actualy don't like) said Suisham had to go after costing two games. Kickers who miss 23 yarders with the game on the line don't deserve antother chance. We've given Suisham enough opportunities. It was looking like it would pay off till the Dallass game. They should have cut him Monday morning even without signing another guy. So, Danny insists that El keeps returning punts even though he can't because that is what he is getting paid for and Danny also insists on cutting Suisham because he can't kick even though he has to keep paying him. You guys are not very consistent with your allegations. Every GM, Owner, and coach in the league would agree that this was the right move. Kickers are very temperamental. Just look at Vanderjet. Most accurate kicker in history to bum for no reason. Change of scenery may be what Suisham needs. It is definitely what the Skins need.

The Randle El explanation give by nittanylion does not make much sense, although Randle El continuing to return kickoffs makes no sense at all. It was time for Suisham to go. He'll get another shot somewhere.

fellas, turn it around. we're only pointing out the inconsistent-makes-no-sense decisions that the little brat makes. it ain't us!

 

[Bizkiteer]

this tempestuous move has 'spoiled little brat' written all over it. and we know these moves always backfire on us.I predict we will regret this move when Gono bounces a few off the goal posts..and he too will be gone. o

Amazingly, I'm with buster on this. Suisham did not lose the game for them. He hadn't missed a kick until the Dallas game (and one of those was a 50+) and all 3 of his misses have come with the 'Skins ahead on the scoreboard.Sure, making them would have helped, but they weren't the reasons for the losses. He's (wrongly) being made a scapegoat, IMO.

LOL, you must have not watched the game then. He makes the 23 yarder and the game is iced PERIOD. If that is not losing it, then I don't know what is considered "lossing it" then. It's not like he was kicking it in tornado type weather from 50+ yards out...it was 23 stinkin' yards, basically an extra point. He could point that LaRon Landry didn't help much since he gave up 2 TD's to double moves in the game, but that still doesn't take away the fact that his FG would have made it a two score game with less than 2 minutes in the game. GAME OVER!

 

[thayman]

this tempestuous move has 'spoiled little brat' written all over it. and we know these moves always backfire on us.I predict we will regret this move when Gono bounces a few off the goal posts..and he too will be gone. o

Amazingly, I'm with buster on this. Suisham did not lose the game for them. He hadn't missed a kick until the Dallas game (and one of those was a 50+) and all 3 of his misses have come with the 'Skins ahead on the scoreboard.Sure, making them would have helped, but they weren't the reasons for the losses. He's (wrongly) being made a scapegoat, IMO.

LOL, you must have not watched the game then. He makes the 23 yarder and the game is iced PERIOD. If that is not losing it, then I don't know what is considered "lossing it" then. It's not like he was kicking it in tornado type weather from 50+ yards out...it was 23 stinkin' yards, basically an extra point. He could point that LaRon Landry didn't help much since he gave up 2 TD's to double moves in the game, but that still doesn't take away the fact that his FG would have made it a two score game with less than 2 minutes in the game. GAME OVER!

oh and it would have been a two score game with less than 2 minutes and The Saints had zero timeouts.

 

[thayman]

this tempestuous move has 'spoiled little brat' written all over it. and we know these moves always backfire on us.I predict we will regret this move when Gono bounces a few off the goal posts..and he too will be gone. o

"tempestous move" it's the right move. Incidently if they hadn't cut Suisham you would be in here complaining that he was still on the team.

 

[Bizkiteer]

It's frankly one of the more baffling things about the team given that Bugel has been there and he made UDFA Joe Jacoby and 3rd round pick Russ Grimm into great o-linemen, and guys like 11th rounder Raleigh McKenzie into solid players.

That was Bugel-Years-Ago, not Bugel-Now. He's old and may not be as talented as he once was.

B-I-N-G-O!!! We have a WINNER!!!!Love him and his love for the game, but his time has passed in being a legit asst coach in the NFL.

you don't know that.lots of old coaches out there who can still coach.buges has cobbled together a line that has been protecting JC (3 sacks in the last 4 games) as well as contributing to a rejuvenated run game, transitioning from the crap given to him by (old, beat-down overpaid tenured vets (see Thomas, R and Rabach, C)) using passed-over street fodder (#74, #71, etc) to create a functional unit.I'd argue just the opposite: that's excellent coaching

Great point! What changed around that time? Hmm...maybe it's the fact someone else is now calling the plays and installed more 3 drop back step passes, which helps hide our OL deficiencies. So, yes it is excellent coaching and has impact on having less sacks over the past 4 games, but that would be attributed to another guy/coach. Buges is great and I surely don't think he's a bum by any means, but he's not the cutting edge OL coach that he was back in the hay day. Then again, none of us should expect that he would be the same as the game has changed so much from then to now.You stated plenty of times and I think there is a lot of truth one way or another, up until this point...Daniel Snyder has either created or enabled an environment that is dysfunctional. Now the degree is dysfunction is up for debate, as is it communicated often here.

 

[Maroney=Sped]

you don't know that.lots of old coaches out there who can still coach.buges has cobbled together a line that has been protecting JC (3 sacks in the last 4 games) as well as contributing to a rejuvenated run game, transitioning from the crap given to him by (old, beat-down overpaid tenured vets (see Thomas, R and Rabach, C)) using passed-over street fodder (#74, #71, etc) to create a functional unit.I'd argue just the opposite: that's excellent coaching

Great point! What changed around that time? Hmm...maybe it's the fact someone else is now calling the plays and installed more 3 drop back step passes, which helps hide our OL deficiencies. So, yes it is excellent coaching and has impact on having less sacks over the past 4 games, but that would be attributed to another guy/coach. Buges is great and I surely don't think he's a bum by any means, but he's not the cutting edge OL coach that he was back in the hay day. Then again, none of us should expect that he would be the same as the game has changed so much from then to now.You stated plenty of times and I think there is a lot of truth one way or another, up until this point...Daniel Snyder has either created or enabled an environment that is dysfunctional. Now the degree is dysfunction is up for debate, as is it communicated often here.

It's not that simple. It wasn't that long ago when Campbell was getting sacked on three-step drops. I agree, the play-calling seems to have helped, but the line has improved and the receivers, especially Thomas and Davis, have emerged. I also think that healthy versions of Cartwright/Mason/Ganther are superior to the usually banged up versions of Portis and Betts that we saw earlier. As usual in life, it's a combination of things. Bugel may have lost a bit off his fastball, but he's not crapping the bed either.

 

[ChrisCooleyFan]

I went to the Bengals hotel this year when they played the Saints in the preseason, Andrew Crummey was with them, and asked if he missed Buges. Crummey said he is the best coach he EVER had.

 

[Marvelous]

From PFT:

Portis lands on injured reserve

Posted by Mike Florio on December 8, 2009 2:59 PM ET

Exactly one month to the day after his helmet was sandwiched between the helmets of two Falcons players, the Redskins have decided to place veteran tailback Clinton Portis on injured reserve, due to the lingering effects of a concussion.

"We felt at this juncture in the season, it was best to place Clinton on injured reserve," Redskins executive Vinny Cerrato said in a team-issued release. "After consulting with our medical staff and other specialists, Clinton's prognosis is good and we expect him to make a full recovery and return to the Redskins."

Though there's a growing sentiment in some circles that the Redskins should part ways with Portis, $6.43 million of his $7.195 million base salary is guaranteed for 2010. As we observed nearly two months ago to the day, "f owner Dan Snyder decides to move on, Portis will have one hell of a parting gift."

 

[fatness]

Concussion could end star running back's career

Though the team expects Portis to eventually return from the injury, Portis said in a radio interview, "If it's my time, I think I had a great career."

"I think I'll get well. I think I have to go and really put the time into rehabbing and continuing to do what the doctors say," Portis said during his weekly appearance on "The John Thompson Show" on ESPN 980 Tuesday. "But at the same time, man, to have the opportunity to play for eight years and play, compete and not miss many games and to carry the organization, I'm thankful for Mr. [Daniel] Snyder and Coach [Joe] Gibbs bringing me to the Redskins and the Broncos drafting me.

"If it's my time and I look back today, I think I have had a great career."

I hope he's not done, but more than that I hope he gets and stays healthy. Flaws and all he's been my favorite player for years.

 

[fatness]

Portis's main doctor "didn't like what he saw," the eight-year veteran said during his regular scheduled appearance on ESPN 980's "The John Thompson Show."

"I was really hoping I could get back on the field."

Portis has experienced vision problems since he suffered the concussion in Week 9 against the Atlanta Falcons. On the radio show, Portis said he' has been feeling better, but test results the past two days indicated otherwise. In a couple of areas, "I had went down," Portis said.

Portis said he thought his vision was improved, but results showed that one eye wasn't as strong as the other and another strong hit could cause further damage. The "doctor said he wasn't going to" clear him, Portis said. "That's life, man."

Link

 

[buster c]

this tempestuous move has 'spoiled little brat' written all over it. and we know these moves always backfire on us.I predict we will regret this move when Gono bounces a few off the goal posts..and he too will be gone. o

Amazingly, I'm with buster on this. Suisham did not lose the game for them. He hadn't missed a kick until the Dallas game (and one of those was a 50+) and all 3 of his misses have come with the 'Skins ahead on the scoreboard.Sure, making them would have helped, but they weren't the reasons for the losses. He's (wrongly) being made a scapegoat, IMO.

LOL, you must have not watched the game then. He makes the 23 yarder and the game is iced PERIOD. If that is not losing it, then I don't know what is considered "lossing it" then. It's not like he was kicking it in tornado type weather from 50+ yards out...it was 23 stinkin' yards, basically an extra point. He could point that LaRon Landry didn't help much since he gave up 2 TD's to double moves in the game, but that still doesn't take away the fact that his FG would have made it a two score game with less than 2 minutes in the game. GAME OVER!

oh and it would have been a two score game with less than 2 minutes and The Saints had zero timeouts.

if SS hits the FG the Skins have a 10 point lead with less than 2 minutes to go...THEY WOULD HAVE FOUND A WAY TO LOSE

 

[buster c]

this tempestuous move has 'spoiled little brat' written all over it. and we know these moves always backfire on us.I predict we will regret this move when Gono bounces a few off the goal posts..and he too will be gone. o

"tempestous move" it's the right move. Incidently if they hadn't cut Suisham you would be in here complaining that he was still on the team.

memory and/or reading comprehension down? go back a page or two where I said - after the game - that cutting SS would be cutting off one's nose to spite the face. perhaps you do not understand this idiom.you must be the love child of Vinny Ceratto and Daniel M. Snyder

 

[Bizkiteer]

this tempestuous move has 'spoiled little brat' written all over it. and we know these moves always backfire on us.I predict we will regret this move when Gono bounces a few off the goal posts..and he too will be gone. o

Amazingly, I'm with buster on this. Suisham did not lose the game for them. He hadn't missed a kick until the Dallas game (and one of those was a 50+) and all 3 of his misses have come with the 'Skins ahead on the scoreboard.Sure, making them would have helped, but they weren't the reasons for the losses. He's (wrongly) being made a scapegoat, IMO.

LOL, you must have not watched the game then. He makes the 23 yarder and the game is iced PERIOD. If that is not losing it, then I don't know what is considered "lossing it" then. It's not like he was kicking it in tornado type weather from 50+ yards out...it was 23 stinkin' yards, basically an extra point. He could point that LaRon Landry didn't help much since he gave up 2 TD's to double moves in the game, but that still doesn't take away the fact that his FG would have made it a two score game with less than 2 minutes in the game. GAME OVER!

oh and it would have been a two score game with less than 2 minutes and The Saints had zero timeouts.

if SS hits the FG the Skins have a 10 point lead with less than 2 minutes to go...THEY WOULD HAVE FOUND A WAY TO LOSE

 

[dgreen]

this tempestuous move has 'spoiled little brat' written all over it. and we know these moves always backfire on us.I predict we will regret this move when Gono bounces a few off the goal posts..and he too will be gone. o

Amazingly, I'm with buster on this. Suisham did not lose the game for them. He hadn't missed a kick until the Dallas game (and one of those was a 50+) and all 3 of his misses have come with the 'Skins ahead on the scoreboard.Sure, making them would have helped, but they weren't the reasons for the losses. He's (wrongly) being made a scapegoat, IMO.

LOL, you must have not watched the game then. He makes the 23 yarder and the game is iced PERIOD. If that is not losing it, then I don't know what is considered "lossing it" then. It's not like he was kicking it in tornado type weather from 50+ yards out...it was 23 stinkin' yards, basically an extra point. He could point that LaRon Landry didn't help much since he gave up 2 TD's to double moves in the game, but that still doesn't take away the fact that his FG would have made it a two score game with less than 2 minutes in the game. GAME OVER!

It's the easy move. Nothing more. Nothing less. Some coach once said there are about five plays every game that decide the outcome. In this game, the missed FG was just one of those plays. There were three guys who failed to block Meachem and then Moore lets him just take the ball away. Seriously, have you seen what some other teams do when the get a turnover? They end up with a convoy forming walls and guiding their man downfield. There was Landry letting a man get behind him when your main goal is to not give up a TD. I keep hearing how Suisham only has one job. Well, on that play, Landry has one job as a FS: don't let anyone get behind you. There was Campbell's INT. A couple decent gains and Suisham gets a chance at redemption. If he makes that, he's still on the team. There was Sellers fumble in OT. You know, I always hear that OT games are decided by a coin flip. Well, not this one. There's five plays, four of which were in the final 2 minutes of regulation and OT.I just don't think cutting the K really accomplishes anything here unless Gono is some hot commodity who is a solid K for the next several years. Has it been since Lohmiller since we had a really reliable K? Of course, his nickname for a while was Chip Polekiller because he kept hitting the upright early in his career.

 

[dgreen]

this tempestuous move has 'spoiled little brat' written all over it. and we know these moves always backfire on us.I predict we will regret this move when Gono bounces a few off the goal posts..and he too will be gone. o

"tempestous move" it's the right move. Incidently if they hadn't cut Suisham you would be in here complaining that he was still on the team.

memory and/or reading comprehension down? go back a page or two where I said - after the game - that cutting SS would be cutting off one's nose to spite the face. perhaps you do not understand this idiom.you must be the love child of Vinny Ceratto and Daniel M. Snyder

Your posts would be a lot more readable and make for better conversation if they didn't always include insults and these "love child" type comments every time someone agrees with any move the team makes.

 

[Bizkiteer]

this tempestuous move has 'spoiled little brat' written all over it. and we know these moves always backfire on us.I predict we will regret this move when Gono bounces a few off the goal posts..and he too will be gone. o

Amazingly, I'm with buster on this. Suisham did not lose the game for them. He hadn't missed a kick until the Dallas game (and one of those was a 50+) and all 3 of his misses have come with the 'Skins ahead on the scoreboard.Sure, making them would have helped, but they weren't the reasons for the losses. He's (wrongly) being made a scapegoat, IMO.

LOL, you must have not watched the game then. He makes the 23 yarder and the game is iced PERIOD. If that is not losing it, then I don't know what is considered "lossing it" then. It's not like he was kicking it in tornado type weather from 50+ yards out...it was 23 stinkin' yards, basically an extra point. He could point that LaRon Landry didn't help much since he gave up 2 TD's to double moves in the game, but that still doesn't take away the fact that his FG would have made it a two score game with less than 2 minutes in the game. GAME OVER!

It's the easy move. Nothing more. Nothing less. Some coach once said there are about five plays every game that decide the outcome. In this game, the missed FG was just one of those plays. There were three guys who failed to block Meachem and then Moore lets him just take the ball away. Seriously, have you seen what some other teams do when the get a turnover? They end up with a convoy forming walls and guiding their man downfield. There was Landry letting a man get behind him when your main goal is to not give up a TD. I keep hearing how Suisham only has one job. Well, on that play, Landry has one job as a FS: don't let anyone get behind you. There was Campbell's INT. A couple decent gains and Suisham gets a chance at redemption. If he makes that, he's still on the team. There was Sellers fumble in OT. You know, I always hear that OT games are decided by a coin flip. Well, not this one. There's five plays, four of which were in the final 2 minutes of regulation and OT.I just don't think cutting the K really accomplishes anything here unless Gono is some hot commodity who is a solid K for the next several years. Has it been since Lohmiller since we had a really reliable K? Of course, his nickname for a while was Chip Polekiller because he kept hitting the upright early in his career.

Again, with all those mistakes we still would have WON the game had the PK made the easiest of kicks. Not a 40+ yarder in the wind, a 23 YARD CHIP SHOT FG. All those mistakes and one simple extra point type kick and it's over. Campbell INT doesn't happen and Sellers never happens cuz we never go into OT.

 

[dgreen]

Again, with all those mistakes we still would have WON the game had the PK made the easiest of kicks. Not a 40+ yarder in the wind, a 23 YARD CHIP SHOT FG. All those mistakes and one simple extra point type kick and it's over. Campbell INT doesn't happen and Sellers never happens cuz we never go into OT.

50 different plays could have changed what would have happened afterward. Campbell had an INT dropped that would have been a pick-6 just before throwing the 2nd Thomas TD. That could have changed things. And that INT-fumble-TD was HUGE. That certainly changed the course of the game.Look, I'm not trying to excuse Suisham. I just don't think he should be cut because "He cost us a game." You cut someone because you can replace him and become a better team. Maybe Gono does that. Maybe he doesn't. Suisham was the worst kicker in the league last year. And they kept him. If they had done things the way they should have and waited to react to situation where he cost them a game, they may not be in this situation. If they had correctly identified K as a need in the offseason, maybe they beat Dallas and N.O. and have hope for a wildcard. But, they didn't. They kept him around and then fire him after this loss as if it's all his fault. Bu, it's not. It was simply the easy move. It was a Norv move.

 

[fatness]

memory and/or reading comprehension down? go back a page or two where I said - after the game - that cutting SS would be cutting off one's nose to spite the face. perhaps you do not understand this idiom.you must be the love child of Vinny Ceratto and Daniel M. Snyder

I was thinking about agreeing with you but you just convinced me otherwise.

 

[Sebowski]

Again, with all those mistakes we still would have WON the game had the PK made the easiest of kicks. Not a 40+ yarder in the wind, a 23 YARD CHIP SHOT FG. All those mistakes and one simple extra point type kick and it's over. Campbell INT doesn't happen and Sellers never happens cuz we never go into OT.

50 different plays could have changed what would have happened afterward. Campbell had an INT dropped that would have been a pick-6 just before throwing the 2nd Thomas TD. That could have changed things. And that INT-fumble-TD was HUGE. That certainly changed the course of the game.Look, I'm not trying to excuse Suisham. I just don't think he should be cut because "He cost us a game." You cut someone because you can replace him and become a better team. Maybe Gono does that. Maybe he doesn't. Suisham was the worst kicker in the league last year. And they kept him. If they had done things the way they should have and waited to react to situation where he cost them a game, they may not be in this situation. If they had correctly identified K as a need in the offseason, maybe they beat Dallas and N.O. and have hope for a wildcard. But, they didn't. They kept him around and then fire him after this loss as if it's all his fault. Bu, it's not. It was simply the easy move. It was a Norv move.

I see it as them seeing the errors of their ways. Suisham can't cut it. At least right now. Kickers come and go so easily that really as soon as one misses any 23 yarder to miss a gmae they should go. Bring in the next one. Why not?

 

[DCThunder]

If Zorn or Lewis had any balls they'd have tried to score a touchdown late in the 4th quarter with a 7 point lead and 1st and goal inside the 10. Instead it's three running plays including a sweep left THAT HASN'T WORKED ALL FRIGGIN' YEAR and then they (and you all) blame the kicker for missing a chipshot.

Sheeesh...it should have been Zorn that was fired after the game, not Suisham.

 

[Fat Nick]

Again, with all those mistakes we still would have WON the game had the PK made the easiest of kicks. Not a 40+ yarder in the wind, a 23 YARD CHIP SHOT FG. All those mistakes and one simple extra point type kick and it's over. Campbell INT doesn't happen and Sellers never happens cuz we never go into OT.

I had to share a funny conversation I had with my girlfriend (Steelers fan) as the game was winding down. This happened as they were driving close at the end of the game before Swiss-ham's miss.Me: "I can't believe we're actually going to win this."

GF: "You'll find a way to lose it. You guys suck."

Me: "Nah, not this time. I could make this field goal with either foot" [i kicked in school, and would switch feet depending on angles]

GF: "Aren't field goals this close hard to make"

Me: "Not in the NFL so much. College they can be if you're way over because the hash marks are wider."

GF: "Somehow you guys will find a way to lose."

Me: "No way. No this time.....oh crap....:shocked:"

As that kick sailed wide, I knew we would lose.

That said, as much as I hated Swiss-ham at that moment, I don't think cutting him was right. It was another Snyder/Cerrato move to make him the scapegoat.

 

[dgreen]

Just think how awesome next year will be with Mike Vick at QB, Reggie Bush at RB, and Charlie Weis at OC.

:championship:

 

[dgreen]

My predictions for the rest of the year:

@ Oakland - W 24-10

New York - L 17-31

Dallas - W 21-17

@ San Diego - L 13-27

 

[pablito]

My predictions for the rest of the year Oakland - W 24-10New York - L 17-31Dallas - W 21-17@ San Diego - L 13-27

OAK has been playing pretty stout of late... I'm not nearly as confident this week as you are.

 

[dgreen]

My predictions for the rest of the year Oakland - W 24-10New York - L 17-31Dallas - W 21-17@ San Diego - L 13-27

OAK has been playing pretty stout of late... I'm not nearly as confident this week as you are.

Redskins have been playing fairly well, too. And, I wouldn't necessarily say I'm confident. I just think, for whatever reason, they'll put it together this week and finish a game.

 

[dgreen]

Not strictly Redskins stuff here, but they are definitely included in the WaPo's Best of the Decade in Local Sports series.

 

[buster c]

this tempestuous move has 'spoiled little brat' written all over it. and we know these moves always backfire on us.I predict we will regret this move when Gono bounces a few off the goal posts..and he too will be gone. o

"tempestous move" it's the right move. Incidently if they hadn't cut Suisham you would be in here complaining that he was still on the team.

memory and/or reading comprehension down? go back a page or two where I said - after the game - that cutting SS would be cutting off one's nose to spite the face. perhaps you do not understand this idiom.you must be the love child of Vinny Ceratto and Daniel M. Snyder

Your posts would be a lot more readable and make for better conversation if they didn't always include insults and these "love child" type comments every time someone agrees with any move the team makes.

you know, I come here to engage in a little banter with a group of men who can dish it out and take it. there’s nothing too over the top here. but this is a very thin-skinned group – almost ladylike. but I know this, and that’s fine. the information is good. what I don’t appreciate is somebody saying “I’d be in here complaining he was still on the team” when I have been consistent in NOT saying that. that this incorrect accusation came from one of our resident kool-aid drinkers – a class of poster I have zero respect for – it makes it impossible for me to not call a spade a spade.

 

[dgreen]

Link

Owner Daniel Snyder and Vinny Cerrato, Washington's executive vice president of football operations, recently attended a University of Texas game to scout quarterback Colt McCoy, according to sources within the organization. Cerrato also made a trip to conduct an in-person evaluation of Notre Dame junior quarterback Jimmy Clausen, who this week declared for the draft.

The belief among some at Redskins Park is that Snyder and Cerrato plan to use the team's first draft pick this year in their quest to find the Redskins' next franchise quarterback, which could signal the end of Jason Campbell's tenure with the team.

"Jason is a starter in this league," offensive coordinator Sherman Smith said. "He makes all the throws, he makes plays and he's a big reason for the success we've had. We rely on Jason."

 

[dgreen]

From David Elfin:

Already voted the NFL's dirtiest defensive player, Albert Haynesworth has been named the league's strongest man.

 

[Maroney=Sped]

"Jason is a starter in this league," offensive coordinator Sherman Smith said. "He makes all the throws, he makes plays and he's a big reason for the success we've had. We rely on Jason."

I don't see the humor here. Campbell's a big part of the reason why the has been far more competitive over the last four games. If he gets some time to throw he can make plays.

 

[dgreen]

"Jason is a starter in this league," offensive coordinator Sherman Smith said. "He makes all the throws, he makes plays and he's a big reason for the success we've had. We rely on Jason."

I don't see the humor here. Campbell's a big part of the reason why the has been far more competitive over the last four games. If he gets some time to throw he can make plays.

I guess I just find the wording "the success we've had" funny. "Improvement" would be a better word than "success". These last four games have been a nice change. But, they need to keep it up and be even a little better for me to use the word "success".

 

[Maroney=Sped]

"Jason is a starter in this league," offensive coordinator Sherman Smith said. "He makes all the throws, he makes plays and he's a big reason for the success we've had. We rely on Jason."

I don't see the humor here. Campbell's a big part of the reason why the has been far more competitive over the last four games. If he gets some time to throw he can make plays.

I guess I just find the wording "the success we've had" funny. "Improvement" would be a better word than "success". These last four games have been a nice change. But, they need to keep it up and be even a little better for me to use the word "success".

Fair enough.

 

[Sidewinder16]

Link

Owner Daniel Snyder and Vinny Cerrato, Washington's executive vice president of football operations, recently attended a University of Texas game to scout quarterback Colt McCoy, according to sources within the organization. Cerrato also made a trip to conduct an in-person evaluation of Notre Dame junior quarterback Jimmy Clausen, who this week declared for the draft.

The belief among some at Redskins Park is that Snyder and Cerrato plan to use the team's first draft pick this year in their quest to find the Redskins' next franchise quarterback, which could signal the end of Jason Campbell's tenure with the team.

And all at the same time. Next year is not going to be any different if they are still insisting on "scouting" as opposed to leaving that up to someone who knows what they're doing.:sigh:

 

[dgreen]

Link

Owner Daniel Snyder and Vinny Cerrato, Washington's executive vice president of football operations, recently attended a University of Texas game to scout quarterback Colt McCoy, according to sources within the organization. Cerrato also made a trip to conduct an in-person evaluation of Notre Dame junior quarterback Jimmy Clausen, who this week declared for the draft.

The belief among some at Redskins Park is that Snyder and Cerrato plan to use the team's first draft pick this year in their quest to find the Redskins' next franchise quarterback, which could signal the end of Jason Campbell's tenure with the team.

And all at the same time. Next year is not going to be any different if they are still insisting on "scouting" as opposed to leaving that up to someone who knows what they're doing.:sigh:

And what do we now assume about Vinny's future if he's on the trip with Snyder to scout McCoy?

 

[Marvelous]

this tempestuous move has 'spoiled little brat' written all over it. and we know these moves always backfire on us.I predict we will regret this move when Gono bounces a few off the goal posts..and he too will be gone. o

Amazingly, I'm with buster on this. Suisham did not lose the game for them. He hadn't missed a kick until the Dallas game (and one of those was a 50+) and all 3 of his misses have come with the 'Skins ahead on the scoreboard.Sure, making them would have helped, but they weren't the reasons for the losses. He's (wrongly) being made a scapegoat, IMO.

LOL, you must have not watched the game then. He makes the 23 yarder and the game is iced PERIOD. If that is not losing it, then I don't know what is considered "lossing it" then. It's not like he was kicking it in tornado type weather from 50+ yards out...it was 23 stinkin' yards, basically an extra point. He could point that LaRon Landry didn't help much since he gave up 2 TD's to double moves in the game, but that still doesn't take away the fact that his FG would have made it a two score game with less than 2 minutes in the game. GAME OVER!

oh and it would have been a two score game with less than 2 minutes and The Saints had zero timeouts.

if SS hits the FG the Skins have a 10 point lead with less than 2 minutes to go...THEY WOULD HAVE FOUND A WAY TO LOSE

It's a little hard to believe the Redskins could lose if they make the field goal. I thought missing the field goal was the last chance for the Redskins to screw it up. And they came through.

 

[fatness]

Link

Owner Daniel Snyder and Vinny Cerrato, Washington's executive vice president of football operations, recently attended a University of Texas game to scout quarterback Colt McCoy, according to sources within the organization. Cerrato also made a trip to conduct an in-person evaluation of Notre Dame junior quarterback Jimmy Clausen, who this week declared for the draft.

The belief among some at Redskins Park is that Snyder and Cerrato plan to use the team's first draft pick this year in their quest to find the Redskins' next franchise quarterback, which could signal the end of Jason Campbell's tenure with the team.

So much for the theory that Snyder has already decided to can Cerrato. Fan pressure on him to do so let up, and here we are. Quick fixes and patches coming up again.Redskins pinheads “scout” McCoy, Clausen

Redskins owner/pinhead Dan Snyder and VP of football operations/pinhead Vinny Cerrato recently traveled to the Lone Star state to scout Texas Longhorns QB Colt McCoy. What these two dunderheads think they’re going to learn about McCoy by going to a Longhorns game is a mystery to all concerned, but that’s what is happening. [Are you more enraged or amused by Snyder tagging along to these things, as if he's an experienced personnel expert?]

Drafting a quarterback in the first round is a 3-year crapshoot with a 50% failure rate. Snyderrato think they’re getting the next Peyton Manning, but they’re more likely to wind up with Ryan Leaf or Jamarcus Russell. Even an experienced NFL GM like Bobby Beathard missed horribly when he used two high first round picks to draft Leaf. What are the odds an owner with no personnel experience and a lickspittle who couldn’t be employed in a senior position with any other NFL team are going to stumble blindly into a franchise quarterback?

The smart thing to do is re-sign Campbell and use the draft to address positions in dire need of improvement, such as cornerback, running back, pass-rushers and anything along the entire offensive line.

 

[fatness]

Dan Steinberg

Chris Cooley's weekly appearances with DC 101's Elliot in the Morning are getting progressively more interesting the longer it's been since Cooley actually played. This Monday, he brought the knowledge on pro athletes womanizing, Jason Campbell's wristband, Gregg Williams's fatness and the Redskins' unluckiness. In that order:

I DO NOT BELONG TO GREGG WILLIAMS OR TO ANY MAN!

 

[Bizkiteer]

Again, with all those mistakes we still would have WON the game had the PK made the easiest of kicks. Not a 40+ yarder in the wind, a 23 YARD CHIP SHOT FG. All those mistakes and one simple extra point type kick and it's over. Campbell INT doesn't happen and Sellers never happens cuz we never go into OT.

50 different plays could have changed what would have happened afterward. Campbell had an INT dropped that would have been a pick-6 just before throwing the 2nd Thomas TD. That could have changed things. And that INT-fumble-TD was HUGE. That certainly changed the course of the game.Look, I'm not trying to excuse Suisham. I just don't think he should be cut because "He cost us a game." You cut someone because you can replace him and become a better team. Maybe Gono does that. Maybe he doesn't. Suisham was the worst kicker in the league last year. And they kept him. If they had done things the way they should have and waited to react to situation where he cost them a game, they may not be in this situation. If they had correctly identified K as a need in the offseason, maybe they beat Dallas and N.O. and have hope for a wildcard. But, they didn't. They kept him around and then fire him after this loss as if it's all his fault. Bu, it's not. It was simply the easy move. It was a Norv move.

Not saying that nobody else didn't contribute, but even with all the mistakes and the what IF's...we still would have won with a simple kick that amounted to an extra point converstion. Just like a PK can take the glory if they get the winning kick, they can take the blame when they can't perform the most simplest part of their job. Just an opinion, but appears to shared by at least one more person than me as he got cut, as many expurts said he should too.

 

[Bizkiteer]

Again, with all those mistakes we still would have WON the game had the PK made the easiest of kicks. Not a 40+ yarder in the wind, a 23 YARD CHIP SHOT FG. All those mistakes and one simple extra point type kick and it's over. Campbell INT doesn't happen and Sellers never happens cuz we never go into OT.

I had to share a funny conversation I had with my girlfriend (Steelers fan) as the game was winding down. This happened as they were driving close at the end of the game before Swiss-ham's miss.Me: "I can't believe we're actually going to win this."

GF: "You'll find a way to lose it. You guys suck."

Me: "Nah, not this time. I could make this field goal with either foot" [i kicked in school, and would switch feet depending on angles]

GF: "Aren't field goals this close hard to make"

Me: "Not in the NFL so much. College they can be if you're way over because the hash marks are wider."

GF: "Somehow you guys will find a way to lose."

Me: "No way. No this time.....oh crap....:shocked:"

As that kick sailed wide, I knew we would lose.

That said, as much as I hated Swiss-ham at that moment, I don't think cutting him was right. It was another Snyder/Cerrato move to make him the scapegoat.

LOL, sounds like she is a keeper. Thanks for sharing as that is a funny story, now can she predict the lotto #'s?

 

[buster c]

Amazingly, I'm with buster on this. Suisham did not lose the game for them. He hadn't missed a kick until the Dallas game (and one of those was a 50+) and all 3 of his misses have come with the 'Skins ahead on the scoreboard.Sure, making them would have helped, but they weren't the reasons for the losses. He's (wrongly) being made a scapegoat, IMO.

LOL, you must have not watched the game then. He makes the 23 yarder and the game is iced PERIOD. If that is not losing it, then I don't know what is considered "lossing it" then. It's not like he was kicking it in tornado type weather from 50+ yards out...it was 23 stinkin' yards, basically an extra point. He could point that LaRon Landry didn't help much since he gave up 2 TD's to double moves in the game, but that still doesn't take away the fact that his FG would have made it a two score game with less than 2 minutes in the game. GAME OVER!

oh and it would have been a two score game with less than 2 minutes and The Saints had zero timeouts.

if SS hits the FG the Skins have a 10 point lead with less than 2 minutes to go...THEY WOULD HAVE FOUND A WAY TO LOSE

It's a little hard to believe the Redskins could lose if they make the field goal. I thought missing the field goal was the last chance for the Redskins to screw it up. And they came through.

I'm amazed this is such a hard sell. and it's not like any long-time football observers have not seen the scenario multiple times. hell, Dallas did it last season on MNF in BUF. didn't anybody see that? NO scored a TD and there was still like 1:30 left on the clock. I bet it is more common to recover an onside kick than it is to miss a 23 yard FG. if they recover the onside kick, with that much time, they might have won the game in regulation. sure, the odds would seemingly put the Skins in the clear with a FG conversion, but how can anyone discount out of hand that the Skins couldn't lose up 10 in that situation?

 

[nittanylion]

Link

Owner Daniel Snyder and Vinny Cerrato, Washington's executive vice president of football operations, recently attended a University of Texas game to scout quarterback Colt McCoy, according to sources within the organization. Cerrato also made a trip to conduct an in-person evaluation of Notre Dame junior quarterback Jimmy Clausen, who this week declared for the draft.

The belief among some at Redskins Park is that Snyder and Cerrato plan to use the team's first draft pick this year in their quest to find the Redskins' next franchise quarterback, which could signal the end of Jason Campbell's tenure with the team.

So much for the theory that Snyder has already decided to can Cerrato. Fan pressure on him to do so let up, and here we are. Quick fixes and patches coming up again.Redskins pinheads “scout” McCoy, Clausen

Redskins owner/pinhead Dan Snyder and VP of football operations/pinhead Vinny Cerrato recently traveled to the Lone Star state to scout Texas Longhorns QB Colt McCoy. What these two dunderheads think they’re going to learn about McCoy by going to a Longhorns game is a mystery to all concerned, but that’s what is happening. [Are you more enraged or amused by Snyder tagging along to these things, as if he's an experienced personnel expert?]

Drafting a quarterback in the first round is a 3-year crapshoot with a 50% failure rate. Snyderrato think they’re getting the next Peyton Manning, but they’re more likely to wind up with Ryan Leaf or Jamarcus Russell. Even an experienced NFL GM like Bobby Beathard missed horribly when he used two high first round picks to draft Leaf. What are the odds an owner with no personnel experience and a lickspittle who couldn’t be employed in a senior position with any other NFL team are going to stumble blindly into a franchise quarterback?

The smart thing to do is re-sign Campbell and use the draft to address positions in dire need of improvement, such as cornerback, running back, pass-rushers and anything along the entire offensive line.

"Lickspittle"...that's some quality prose right there. Stealin' it.It's an axiom as old as organized sports: 'Good Teams find a way to win. Bad Teams find a way to lose'...

I think there's a strong possibility that even had Suisham made that FG, that the 'skins were on their way to an 'L'. It wouldn't have surprised me a bit...and I don't think the missed FG was a game-decider - the 'skins neither won nor lost because of that miss. Suish makes that kick and all we can be certain of is that we'd have felt a lot safer at that very moment that it was less likely the 'skins were going to lose the game...but by then Brees and those WR were having their way with us, shredding our Pass Defense at will, and from what I saw, I don't think we were any more likely to protect a 10 Point lead than a 7 Point one...

... and what happened to personal responsibility on the part of the Defense? Sure, that was a makeable kick, but once it was missed, it was the D's job to step up and prevent the Saints from scoring, get this: a game-tying TOUCHDOWN - we didn't even have to only just prevent them from getting in FG range...and then...we got the ball back in regulation, and as much as I defend Jason Campbell, he makes a poor throw...and then...in OT, WE WON THE TOSS! Sellers fumbalaya, and they scored on our Defense AGAIN, and that on that final Saints Drive in OT, it almost appeared to me that they were toying with us! THEIR game-winning FG was a glorified Extra Point!

Sunday's Game was just another instance of Karma taking a smack at the repugnant human being Dan Snyder. You believe what you want, I'll believe what I want, but that works for me...and as long as he Owns the Team, I think everyone ought to batten down the hatches and prepare for more of the same...

...I think you fire a guy if he misses a FG when you're behind by 1, 2 or 3 and it's win or lose. MAYBE if it's tied and you miss a potential game-winner...

...but to fire a guy for missing a lead EXTENDER? Well, maybe it's just me, but I have to think that the finger's probably being pointed in the wrong direction on that one...like so much else around there..

 

[Sebowski]

Redskins scapegoat: Kicker goes, safety stays

By JOSEPH WHITE, AP Sports Writer 5 hours, 38 minutes ago

ASHBURN, Va. (AP)—Kicker Shaun Suisham(notes) hasn’t cost the Washington Redskins nearly as many points as free safety LaRon Landry(notes), yet it is Suisham who found himself unemployed this week in the fallout from after another tough loss.

Coach Jim Zorn declined to call Suisham the “scapegoat” Wednesday—“I would never use that word”—for the 33-30 overtime loss to New Orleans, but the Redskins (3-9) were following a tried and true NFL axiom: It’s easier to cut a kicker than punish a high first-round draft pick.

“I was my decision, but I didn’t just go, ‘Hey, I think I’ll cut Shaun today.’ I tried to look at all the issues involved,” Zorn said. “I think in the end of this it’s going to be the best decision for our team.”

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Even so, Zorn couldn’t say enough good things about Suisham and said he expects the kicker to be signed by another team before the end of the week. Suisham was 18 for 21 this season, but the solid stats weren’t enough to overcome a 23-yard miss that would have cemented a win over the unbeaten Saints. Suisham was cut Tuesday and replaced by Graham Gano(notes), who has never kicked in an NFL game.

But what about Landry? While Suisham was close to tears explaining his missed kick in the locker room after Sunday’s game, Landry had a matter-of-fact attitude despite an even bigger mistake—allowing a 53-yard touchdown pass deep over the middle that tied the game in the final two minutes of regulation.

Landry and the Redskins secondary have been getting burned repeatedly by the deep ball in crucial situations: Opposing teams have completed seven passes of 30-plus yards over the last four games.

“I’m just trying to make a play and he ran a good route,” Landry said Wednesday. “Good game plan, man. They’ve got great coaches and they watch tape, too. The offensive coordinator dialed up a good play.”

Asked about learning from such mistakes, Landry shrugged and said: “I’ll still play my game.”

Behind the scenes, however, there could be some changes in Landry’s role for this week’s game at Oakland. Zorn said the coaching staff tinkering with the scheme, especially when Landry is asked to play deep in a zone defense. The coach didn’t go into specifics because he didn’t want to give away the game plan.

“Some of our big plays have been in coverages where we should have guys deep,” cornerback Carlos Rogers(notes) said. “It’s our fault. It’s what we messed up. We’re going to make some changes.”

It’s not that Zorn hasn’t been willing to bench players for underperforming. Rogers lost his starting job for a while after getting beat on a deep ball in the win over Denver last month, and strong safety Chris Horton(notes) also had his playing time drop before he went on injured reserve. The offensive line has been in constant flux, and this week Rock Cartwright(notes) was demoted from the starting running back spot in favor of Quinton Ganther(notes).

It would be harder to demote Landry, the No. 6 overall pick in the 2007 draft, because backup Kareem Moore(notes) is still developing and likely isn’t ready for a starting role. Landry, for that matter, has been playing out of position since moving from strong safety to free safety following Sean Taylor’s(notes) death two years ago.



“I can’t determine who they play or when they’re benched or whatever their reason is behind it,” Rogers said. “I’m out there now, so I ain’t going to worry about it.”

Suisham departed as the most accurate kicker in franchise history with an 80.2 percent success rate on field goal attempts, but that’s a fact that speaks volumes about the team’s revolving door at the position over the last 15 years. Suisham was with the team for less than four seasons, but he already ranked fourth all-time in attempts behind Mark Moseley, Chip Lohmiller and Curt Knight.

Moseley, Lohmiller and Knight were fine kickers, but they played in eras when 70 percent was considered good. Suisham’s career percentage of 79.4 (which includes a handful of attempts with the Dallas Cowboys in 2005 and 2006) ranks a mere 27th in the NFL since 2005.

And, of course, the latest miss is the one everyone always remembers. In that sense, Rogers says defensive backs are a lot like kickers.

“If you miss, everybody sees it,” Rogers said. “If you get too many, you’re going to be out of here.”

I hate Landry more and more every week. Rogers doesn't sound like he is going to make it a priority to resign.

 

[dgreen]

I hate Landry more and more every week.

His comments don't help his case, either.I will say, though, that Mike Mayock doesn't think Landry should get all the blame for the last TD. They were in a Quarters defense (4 guys in a deep zone). Landry stepped up and Smoot was along the sideline with nobody to cover. So, Smoot should have rotated over Landry. As Mayock said, "He should have been looking for work."

 

[TxBuckeye]

I hate Landry more and more every week.

His comments don't help his case, either.I will say, though, that Mike Mayock doesn't think Landry should get all the blame for the last TD. They were in a Quarters defense (4 guys in a deep zone). Landry stepped up and Smoot was along the sideline with nobody to cover. So, Smoot should have rotated over Landry. As Mayock said, "He should have been looking for work."

How many egregious defense lapses have to occur before we start taking a look at the defense coaching staff? For these huge breakdowns to be occuring as frequently as they are this late in the season, some of the blame has to fall on the coaching staff on that side of the ball does it not?

 

[dgreen]

I hate Landry more and more every week.

His comments don't help his case, either.I will say, though, that Mike Mayock doesn't think Landry should get all the blame for the last TD. They were in a Quarters defense (4 guys in a deep zone). Landry stepped up and Smoot was along the sideline with nobody to cover. So, Smoot should have rotated over Landry. As Mayock said, "He should have been looking for work."

How many egregious defense lapses have to occur before we start taking a look at the defense coaching staff? For these huge breakdowns to be occuring as frequently as they are this late in the season, some of the blame has to fall on the coaching staff on that side of the ball does it not?

I agree. I think coaching is a big problem. Either the coaches aren't preaching the right things or what they preach just isn't getting through. It's their job to find a way to get through to these guys.

 

[fatness]

For these huge breakdowns to be occuring as frequently as they are this late in the season, some of the blame has to fall on the coaching staff on that side of the ball does it not?

Yes, it does.

 

[buster c]

Sunday's Game was just another instance of Karma taking a smack at the repugnant human being Dan Snyder.

I could not agree more. In fact, I trace it to his 'in Dallas! in Philly!' moment last season

no class

 

[Marvelous]

I hate Landry more and more every week.

His comments don't help his case, either.I will say, though, that Mike Mayock doesn't think Landry should get all the blame for the last TD. They were in a Quarters defense (4 guys in a deep zone). Landry stepped up and Smoot was along the sideline with nobody to cover. So, Smoot should have rotated over Landry. As Mayock said, "He should have been looking for work."

It is really important for defensive backs to shake off their disasters so they can concentrate on the next play. So I am not bothered by his comments. Still, I think Landry has been an average FS at best. I understand he has the physical talent to be a good FS, but he just looks out of position.