***Official*** 2009 Washington Redskins Thread (1 Viewer)

[Marvelous]

I hate Landry more and more every week.

His comments don't help his case, either.I will say, though, that Mike Mayock doesn't think Landry should get all the blame for the last TD. They were in a Quarters defense (4 guys in a deep zone). Landry stepped up and Smoot was along the sideline with nobody to cover. So, Smoot should have rotated over Landry. As Mayock said, "He should have been looking for work."

How many egregious defense lapses have to occur before we start taking a look at the defense coaching staff? For these huge breakdowns to be occuring as frequently as they are this late in the season, some of the blame has to fall on the coaching staff on that side of the ball does it not?

For all the talk of how great Haynesworth is and how much better the DL is playing, when it comes to crunch time at the end of the game, they fold like a tent. Did anyone really expect the Redskins D to hold onto a 7 point lead with less than two minutes left in the game? Did anyone expect the Redskins D to hold NO once NO got the ball? Everyone know they could not do it.By the way, icing the New Orleans kicker in OT was an idiotic move. And for the 2nd time, New Orleans brings the offense back out onto the field after the Redskins call a timeout before a field goal try. And this time, New Orleans just runs the ball down the Redskins D.

 

[dgreen]

I hate Landry more and more every week.

His comments don't help his case, either.I will say, though, that Mike Mayock doesn't think Landry should get all the blame for the last TD. They were in a Quarters defense (4 guys in a deep zone). Landry stepped up and Smoot was along the sideline with nobody to cover. So, Smoot should have rotated over Landry. As Mayock said, "He should have been looking for work."

It is really important for defensive backs to shake off their disasters so they can concentrate on the next play. So I am not bothered by his comments. Still, I think Landry has been an average FS at best. I understand he has the physical talent to be a good FS, but he just looks out of position.

I'm fine with him moving on to the next play. But, he doesn't generally admit (to the media, at least) when he made a mistake and then he says things like "I'll still play my game." Well, your game keeps giving up TDs. Even when you are on your game, you're pretty much always a step late and the receiver usually holds onto the ball for a reception.

 

[Maroney=Sped]

I hate Landry more and more every week.

His comments don't help his case, either.I will say, though, that Mike Mayock doesn't think Landry should get all the blame for the last TD. They were in a Quarters defense (4 guys in a deep zone). Landry stepped up and Smoot was along the sideline with nobody to cover. So, Smoot should have rotated over Landry. As Mayock said, "He should have been looking for work."

How many egregious defense lapses have to occur before we start taking a look at the defense coaching staff? For these huge breakdowns to be occuring as frequently as they are this late in the season, some of the blame has to fall on the coaching staff on that side of the ball does it not?

For all the talk of how great Haynesworth is and how much better the DL is playing, when it comes to crunch time at the end of the game, they fold like a tent. Did anyone really expect the Redskins D to hold onto a 7 point lead with less than two minutes left in the game? Did anyone expect the Redskins D to hold NO once NO got the ball? Everyone know they could not do it.By the way, icing the New Orleans kicker in OT was an idiotic move. And for the 2nd time, New Orleans brings the offense back out onto the field after the Redskins call a timeout before a field goal try. And this time, New Orleans just runs the ball down the Redskins D.

This Saints offense is one of the top 5 offenses of the last 10 years. They're phenomenal, and Brees is arguably playing at the highest level of any QB in the NFL right now. The Redskins didn't help themselves to be sure, but you need to give the Saints credit. It wasn't like the Browns marched down the field on them.

 

[Sebowski]

I hate Landry more and more every week.

His comments don't help his case, either.I will say, though, that Mike Mayock doesn't think Landry should get all the blame for the last TD. They were in a Quarters defense (4 guys in a deep zone). Landry stepped up and Smoot was along the sideline with nobody to cover. So, Smoot should have rotated over Landry. As Mayock said, "He should have been looking for work."

It is really important for defensive backs to shake off their disasters so they can concentrate on the next play. So I am not bothered by his comments. Still, I think Landry has been an average FS at best. I understand he has the physical talent to be a good FS, but he just looks out of position.

I'm fine with him moving on to the next play. But, he doesn't generally admit (to the media, at least) when he made a mistake and then he says things like "I'll still play my game." Well, your game keeps giving up TDs. Even when you are on your game, you're pretty much always a step late and the receiver usually holds onto the ball for a reception.

Yeah, a step late with a bad angle and too high.

 

[southeastjerome]

I hate Landry more and more every week.

His comments don't help his case, either.I will say, though, that Mike Mayock doesn't think Landry should get all the blame for the last TD. They were in a Quarters defense (4 guys in a deep zone). Landry stepped up and Smoot was along the sideline with nobody to cover. So, Smoot should have rotated over Landry. As Mayock said, "He should have been looking for work."

How many egregious defense lapses have to occur before we start taking a look at the defense coaching staff? For these huge breakdowns to be occuring as frequently as they are this late in the season, some of the blame has to fall on the coaching staff on that side of the ball does it not?

For all the talk of how great Haynesworth is and how much better the DL is playing, when it comes to crunch time at the end of the game, they fold like a tent. Did anyone really expect the Redskins D to hold onto a 7 point lead with less than two minutes left in the game? Did anyone expect the Redskins D to hold NO once NO got the ball? Everyone know they could not do it.By the way, icing the New Orleans kicker in OT was an idiotic move. And for the 2nd time, New Orleans brings the offense back out onto the field after the Redskins call a timeout before a field goal try. And this time, New Orleans just runs the ball down the Redskins D.

This Saints offense is one of the top 5 offenses of the last 10 years. They're phenomenal, and Brees is arguably playing at the highest level of any QB in the NFL right now. The Redskins didn't help themselves to be sure, but you need to give the Saints credit. It wasn't like the Browns marched down the field on them.

I was about to post the same thing. And also given the fact that Brees gets rid of the ball so quickly, it is difficult for any defensive line to get pressure. I'd say the last drive which was largely consumed by Meachem's 53 yard td catch, was hardly the defensive line's fault.

 

[fatness]

My predictions for the rest of the year:

@ Oakland - W 24-10

New York - L 17-31

Dallas - W 21-17

@ San Diego - L 13-27

Oakland -- L (letdown after a string of defeats that seemed like victories compared to earlier in the year -- bizarro)NY Giants -- L (they're better than the Redskins)

Dallas -- W (final good effort of the season, against a collapsing team)

San Diego -- L ((humiliated by Norv as Redskin players go home early)

 

[TxBuckeye]

My predictions for the rest of the year:

@ Oakland - W 24-10

New York - L 17-31

Dallas - W 21-17

@ San Diego - L 13-27

Oakland -- L (letdown after a string of defeats that seemed like victories compared to earlier in the year -- bizarro)NY Giants -- L (they're better than the Redskins)

Dallas -- W (final good effort of the season, against a collapsing team)

San Diego -- L ((humiliated by Norv as Redskin players go home early)

If Dallas has anything to play for, there's no way the skins will beat them. But that's a big if.

 

[Maroney=Sped]

My predictions for the rest of the year:

@ Oakland - W 24-10

New York - L 17-31

Dallas - W 21-17

@ San Diego - L 13-27

Oakland -- L (letdown after a string of defeats that seemed like victories compared to earlier in the year -- bizarro)NY Giants -- L (they're better than the Redskins)

Dallas -- W (final good effort of the season, against a collapsing team)

San Diego -- L ((humiliated by Norv as Redskin players go home early)

If Dallas has anything to play for, there's no way the skins will beat them. But that's a big if.

You know it's December, right?

 

[Guinis72]

From the Washington Post: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsb...on_cerrato.html

Schottenheimer on Cerrato

The news that Daniel Snyder and Vinny Cerrato were scouting Colt McCoy together this fall--reported by my colleague Jason Reid-- obviously raised a lot of eyebrows locally. Turns out some national observers were also struck by this news, including one Marty Schottenheimer, who like Cerrato, now lists "radio host" among his duties.

"When you send Dan [snyder] out along with Vinny Cerrato, Vinny's going to tell him whatever he thinks Dan wants to hear," Schottenheimer said Thursday on "The Red Zone," the SIRIUS NFL show he hosts along with Solomon Wilcots. "Dan, God love him, I don't know that the analysis and evaluation of quarterbacks is necessarily down his alley."

Schottenheimer and Cerrato obviously have a shared past, with the former (briefly) helping usher the latter out of the picture at Redskins Park. And it sounds like Schottenheimer's feelings about Cerrato have not improved with time.

"I've said for a long time, in my opinion the problem down there--obviously it starts at the top with Dan--but [the problem] is Cerrato," Schottenheimer said Thursday. "I don't particularly respect the guy. He and I had our issues when we were there. Basically what he said was, 'Marty, Dan may be listening to you during the preseason,' he says. 'But wait until I get up in the owner's box during the regular season, and then we'll see who Dan listens to.'

"Now how's that? How's that? And of course, he was gone within the week but re-hired shortly after I departed. So now, Dan, he's made his choice [some] time ago, but I'm not a big fan of Cerrato and his work."

Of course, Schottenheimer also wound up as the only coach hired by Snyder with a record of .500 or better.

First, the idea of Vinny "scouting" implies he'll be around to help make that selection which makes my stomach turn.Secondly, why the hell is Snyder "scouting" as Marty said?

Third, why are they scouting a QB before they even know who the coach will be? Are they going to dictate to the new coach who his QB will be? I guess that'd be the norm, like hiring the coordinators first.

I'm a life-long Skins fan that's not sure he can continue to support the team with Vinny & Danny running things.

 

[dgreen]

Good stuff from Marty. I'm not aware of him speaking about Dan and Vinny that way before in public.

First, the idea of Vinny "scouting" implies he'll be around to help make that selection which makes my stomach turn.

I agree. It seems to be a clear sign to me that Dan doesn't have any current plans to dump Cerrato. The only way around that right now is just that Danny is proceeding with business as usual, which I think tends to be the right thing to do even you have certain plans for future. In a way, it would be stupid to NOT scout even if you are going to get rid of him. Let him do his job while he's here, get info from him, and move forward after you fire him.

Secondly, why the hell is Snyder "scouting" as Marty said?

It's a joke. The only value Snyder can bring to scouting is talking to players on a character-assessment level, but I doubt they are allowed to do that right now. I mean, if he's going to fork over $50M for someone, he should probably talk to them and get an idea of what kind of person they are. But, again, it's not time for that so I think he clearly sees himself as scouting them on the field.

Third, why are they scouting a QB before they even know who the coach will be? Are they going to dictate to the new coach who his QB will be? I guess that'd be the norm, like hiring the coordinators first.

As I said, I don't have a huge problem with proceeding with business as usual even if you are planning changes. And, I don't have a problem with scouting QBs even though they should be drafting OL because I think you need to have a good idea of everyone's value so you can properly evaluate trade offers and draft positioning. But, something tells me that's not what's going on.

 

[TxBuckeye]

You know it's December, right?

Yea. But I also know how bad the skins are. Plus I'm hoping for a little reverse jinx action.

 

[fatness]

Cerrato has a radio show. It is on Friday mornings. It was announced yesterday that his guest today would be either Claussen or McCoy, I forget which.

Besides making Cerrato look like a complete juvenile buffoon, doesn't that cross a line between what teams should/should not be doing in regards to negotiating with college prospects before the draft?

Did anyone listen to the show?

 

[buster c]

they should have saved their money and turned on the TV last Saturday night to scout Colt McCoy. He's got "bust" written all over him. A poor man's Heath Shuler!

 

[fatness]

Looks like Cerrato interviewed Claussen this morning

"Now I read where you get advice from Joe Theismann and Joe Montana, two ex-Notre Dame quarterbacks," Cerrato said. "What kind of advice do they give you?"

Now, bear in mind that Cerrato and Theismann are actually ESPN 980 co-workers. I hope to heavens that Theismann has Clausen on in coming weeks to ask what Cerrato has told him. Anyhow, here's his response.

"You know, they just talk to me like I'm one of their sons, and just tell me all the ins and outs of everything," he said. "I think the biggest thing those guys taught me on the field is just to take what the defense gives you and just check the ball down if nothing's down the field. You know, coming into Notre Dame I always thought that I needed to make a play down the field every single time I had the ball, but that's really not the case. You just want to keep the chains moving, keep getting first downs and at the end of the drive, you ultimately want to score. And they just talk a lot to me about mental preparation of the game. I'm really gonna be talking to both of those guys going into this process of the draft and down the road."

 

[buster c]

more on the scapegoating of SS

 

[buster c]

Looks like Cerrato interviewed Claussen this morning

"Now I read where you get advice from Joe Theismann and Joe Montana, two ex-Notre Dame quarterbacks," Cerrato said. "What kind of advice do they give you?"

Now, bear in mind that Cerrato and Theismann are actually ESPN 980 co-workers. I hope to heavens that Theismann has Clausen on in coming weeks to ask what Cerrato has told him. Anyhow, here's his response.

"You know, they just talk to me like I'm one of their sons, and just tell me all the ins and outs of everything," he said. "I think the biggest thing those guys taught me on the field is just to take what the defense gives you and just check the ball down if nothing's down the field. You know, coming into Notre Dame I always thought that I needed to make a play down the field every single time I had the ball, but that's really not the case. You just want to keep the chains moving, keep getting first downs and at the end of the drive, you ultimately want to score. And they just talk a lot to me about mental preparation of the game. I'm really gonna be talking to both of those guys going into this process of the draft and down the road."

on the other hand, I think this kid is going to be pretty good. and I hate ND.

 

[nittanylion]

buster, you and I need to have a beer, and soon. We agree on way too many things...

...as an Alumnus of Penn State who attended during the late 80's - early 90's, and who was never on board with the idea of joining the Big Ten, and the Big Ten in general, I hate Notre Dame TIMES TWO!!!

New Age 'Rivals' - Ohio State, Michigan, Wisconsin, Iowa, Illinois, Michigan State, and so on...

Old School Rivals - only two: Notre Dame, and Miami, Florida...

That was good stuff from Marty. I hope he says more, and I hope those initial comments of his get enough public run that other folks who have long remained silent start revealing more of the buffoonery that's gone on inside the walls of Redskins Park for the last 10 Years...if certain things were aired publicly, by named sources, I'd be much more inclined to provide supporting info, and some of the info I don't feel comfortable sharing...yet...and believe you me, you'd all be shocked.

Trust me folks, it's bad over there. Snyderatto put the 'fun' in dysfunctional.

The ARE thing, which some of you remain in denial about, and I don't blame you because on the surface it sounds ABSOLUTELY preposterous, is only scratching the surface of the neurosis in Ashburn.

Pathetic.

 

[Sidewinder16]

Jason Reid with more on the decision to cut Suisham:

So who made the decision?

Zorn was pretty clear about this earlier this week, but Vinny Cerrato, the team's vice president of football operations, cast a bit of doubt on the question Friday.

On Monday, Zorn discussed the situation and didn't sound like a move was imminent. He acknowledged the team might work out some kickers, but the auditions don't necessarily "mean that [suisham's] cleaning out his locker."

On Wednesday, he said: "It was my decision. I didn't just go, 'Hey, I think I'll cut Shaun today.' I tried to look at all the issues involved."

But here's part of what Cerrato had to say on his weekly radio show on ESPN 980 Friday: "So my feeling was, after he misses the kick, it wasn't fair to the rest of the team to keep him on the team. Because this was a re-occurring thing. The Dallas game, he missed a 39-yarder. And I remember in the playoff game in Seattle he missed a short field goal. So there's some critical field goals that he missed.

"And then my question to the coaches and everything, is he the kicker for next year? No, probably not. So all right, let's let him go and let's try some guys and see if we find a guy who's gonna be consistent and make the kicks that he's supposed to make. That's all."

Sure didn't sound like it was a group decision or that the head coach was pushing for Suisham's ouster.

What a crock.

 

[Sidewinder16]

I assume the Saints will use a lot of 3 WR sets, which is usually a situation Orakpo plays DE. But, I'd like to see them start to make the switch permanent regardless of opposing team's personnel and formations. And, I'd really like to see Blades play more. He's been solid on ST and it's about time we really see what we have in him at LB.

From today's CBS RapidReports:

LB/DE Brian Orakpo on how he will be used this week: "Last week we knew the Saints would pass more, so I was used more at DE. The Raiders are balanced, so I'll be back at LB more this week."

Also from the reports, Zorn says Haynesworth is definitely out this week, and, it doesn't make me feel good but I'm secretly hoping Yoder gets injured (at least for this game):

Backup TE Todd Yoder will start at FB for Mike Sellers. Redskins coach Jim Zorn on what the plan is if one of his two TEs is injured this week: "We'll have to use a one back and four receiver formation the rest of the way."

I'm sure he probably said this somewhat in jest, but going to a run-and-shoot would at least make for some interesting watching.

 

[DCThunder]

Jason Reid with more on the decision to cut Suisham:

So who made the decision?

Zorn was pretty clear about this earlier this week, but Vinny Cerrato, the team's vice president of football operations, cast a bit of doubt on the question Friday.

On Monday, Zorn discussed the situation and didn't sound like a move was imminent. He acknowledged the team might work out some kickers, but the auditions don't necessarily "mean that [suisham's] cleaning out his locker."

On Wednesday, he said: "It was my decision. I didn't just go, 'Hey, I think I'll cut Shaun today.' I tried to look at all the issues involved."

But here's part of what Cerrato had to say on his weekly radio show on ESPN 980 Friday: "So my feeling was, after he misses the kick, it wasn't fair to the rest of the team to keep him on the team. Because this was a re-occurring thing. The Dallas game, he missed a 39-yarder. And I remember in the playoff game in Seattle he missed a short field goal. So there's some critical field goals that he missed.

"And then my question to the coaches and everything, is he the kicker for next year? No, probably not. So all right, let's let him go and let's try some guys and see if we find a guy who's gonna be consistent and make the kicks that he's supposed to make. That's all."

Sure didn't sound like it was a group decision or that the head coach was pushing for Suisham's ouster.

What a crock.

This is basically what Joey Sunshine said last night. That the kicker HAD to be cut to show the team that there were consequences for mistakes and that a kicker's ONLY job was to make pressure kicks. That's why you don't cut a saftey or LB for making a bad, game-losing play. Czabe and Doc think that's stupid, Andy and Joey T thin otherwise.

 

[Sidewinder16]

This is basically what Joey Sunshine said last night. That the kicker HAD to be cut to show the team that there were consequences for mistakes and that a kicker's ONLY job was to make pressure kicks. That's why you don't cut a saftey or LB for making a bad, game-losing play. Czabe and Doc think that's stupid, Andy and Joey T thin otherwise.

Count me in with Czabe and Doc, then. From Reid's RI post I linked above, the move from Suisham to Gono doesn't seem to be an upgrade (that sentiment apparently coming from people inside Redskins Park), so why make it? The only answer I can think of is so that it simply looks like you're doing something.And I'm not asking for Landry to be cut. But if he can't keep his butt behind WRs and play the position he's supposed to play, then he needs to be in a different position or off the field.

 

[dgreen]

Looks like Cerrato interviewed Claussen this morning

"Now I read where you get advice from Joe Theismann and Joe Montana, two ex-Notre Dame quarterbacks," Cerrato said. "What kind of advice do they give you?"

Now, bear in mind that Cerrato and Theismann are actually ESPN 980 co-workers. I hope to heavens that Theismann has Clausen on in coming weeks to ask what Cerrato has told him. Anyhow, here's his response.

"You know, they just talk to me like I'm one of their sons, and just tell me all the ins and outs of everything," he said. "I think the biggest thing those guys taught me on the field is just to take what the defense gives you and just check the ball down if nothing's down the field. You know, coming into Notre Dame I always thought that I needed to make a play down the field every single time I had the ball, but that's really not the case. You just want to keep the chains moving, keep getting first downs and at the end of the drive, you ultimately want to score. And they just talk a lot to me about mental preparation of the game. I'm really gonna be talking to both of those guys going into this process of the draft and down the road."

I really don't like this guy:

After the interview was over, Cerrato returned to the Charlie Weis factor, which they had discussed several times during the interview.

"I think playing for Charlie Weis will help him," Cerrato surmised. "And a lot of people will talk to Charlie about compare him to Brady Quinn, compare him to this and that, and what do they think of him. And the thing that he's got going for him, reading the articles, is Charlie's gonna be back in the NFL. And if it's with a team that needs a quarterback, then he may end up back with Charlie. So good luck to the Notre Dame guys."

 

[dgreen]

Backup TE Todd Yoder will start at FB for Mike Sellers. Redskins coach Jim Zorn on what the plan is if one of his two TEs is injured this week: "We'll have to use a one back and four receiver formation the rest of the way."

I'm sure he probably said this somewhat in jest, but going to a run-and-shoot would at least make for some interesting watching.

It would be nice to just see some shotgun-spread offense. Throw it 50 times. Use some hurry up. They've started to actually do what most other teams do and throw those one-step quick passes when DBs are playing off. It can pick up 5 yards on first down or move the chains on 3rd-and-2.

 

[fatness]

So how many kicks will Gano #### up this weekend?

 

[dgreen]

This is basically what Joey Sunshine said last night. That the kicker HAD to be cut to show the team that there were consequences for mistakes and that a kicker's ONLY job was to make pressure kicks. That's why you don't cut a saftey or LB for making a bad, game-losing play. Czabe and Doc think that's stupid, Andy and Joey T thin otherwise.

Count me in with Czabe and Doc, then. From Reid's RI post I linked above, the move from Suisham to Gono doesn't seem to be an upgrade (that sentiment apparently coming from people inside Redskins Park), so why make it? The only answer I can think of is so that it simply looks like your doing something.And I'm not asking for Landry to be cut. But if he can't keep his butt behind WRs and play the position he's supposed to play, then he needs to be in a different position or off the field.

to the bolded part.I'm totally fine with Suisham not being the kicker. He's not very good. His FG% is only 24th best among active kickers, he's 2-7 in his career from 50+, he doesn't make clutch kicks, and his kickoffs are short. But, this move just reeks.

 

[Sidewinder16]

So how many kicks will Gano #### up this weekend?

I don't know, but I'm guessing if he has at least one botched kick while the 'Skins have the lead there's a good chance he gets fired on the spot. You know, just so it's fair to the rest of team.

 

[Maroney=Sped]

Jason Reid with more on the decision to cut Suisham:

So who made the decision?

Zorn was pretty clear about this earlier this week, but Vinny Cerrato, the team's vice president of football operations, cast a bit of doubt on the question Friday.

On Monday, Zorn discussed the situation and didn't sound like a move was imminent. He acknowledged the team might work out some kickers, but the auditions don't necessarily "mean that [suisham's] cleaning out his locker."

On Wednesday, he said: "It was my decision. I didn't just go, 'Hey, I think I'll cut Shaun today.' I tried to look at all the issues involved."

But here's part of what Cerrato had to say on his weekly radio show on ESPN 980 Friday: "So my feeling was, after he misses the kick, it wasn't fair to the rest of the team to keep him on the team. Because this was a re-occurring thing. The Dallas game, he missed a 39-yarder. And I remember in the playoff game in Seattle he missed a short field goal. So there's some critical field goals that he missed.

"And then my question to the coaches and everything, is he the kicker for next year? No, probably not. So all right, let's let him go and let's try some guys and see if we find a guy who's gonna be consistent and make the kicks that he's supposed to make. That's all."

Sure didn't sound like it was a group decision or that the head coach was pushing for Suisham's ouster.

What a crock.

Is it fair to the rest of the team to have an imbecile running their front office?

 

[dgreen]

Jason Reid with more on the decision to cut Suisham:-

Other parts of that story:

Nick Novak, who kicked for the Redskins in 2005 and again in '06 was one of the four kickers in Ashburn. Each kicked 10-12 field goals. Novak said he missed only one kick. The others -- including newly-signed Gano -- each missed two or more.

Said Novak, in an email: "Gano overall kicked well, he has a live leg and in my opinion has an opportunity now to be in the league for a long time. I haven't seen many kickers come out of college with his kind of focus and consistency."

"Having had the opportunity to kick for the Redskins and the great Coach Gibbs was a privilege, not a right," he said. "Trust me, in order to play at the highest level you must earn it. It's not always the player with the most talent that has the long NFL career. It's the one that makes the least amount of mental and physical errors."

I will always like Novak just because of the winning FG vs. Dallas and the brightest spot in a dreadful 2006 season.Here's what it might ball be about with Gano:

Gano, the Lou Groza Award winner last year at Florida State...

"Look at us, we have a Lou Groza Award winner!"Doc Walker made the comment that he's all for the move as long as it was Danny Smith's call. Somehow I doubt he had enough input, though.

 

[Sidewinder16]

Is it fair to the rest of the team to have an imbecile running their front office?

and all at the same time.If you haven't done so yet (or maybe, you shouldn't at all), read Steinberg's updated post linked by someone (dgreen?) above with more quotes from the radio show today. I swear I'm as close now as I've ever been to dropping this team because of Cerrato. And that's heartbreaking.

 

[dgreen]

Is it fair to the rest of the team to have an imbecile running their front office?

and all at the same time.If you haven't done so yet (or maybe, you shouldn't at all), read Steinberg's updated post linked by someone (dgreen?) above with more quotes from the radio show today. I swear I'm as close now as I've ever been to dropping this team because of Cerrato. And that's heartbreaking.

The best part of Cerrato's show every Friday is when he has Adam Schefter or Clark Judge or other NFL reporters on to talk about all the CRAAAAAAZZZYYYY stuff going on around the league. A couple weeks ago, Cerrato asked Schefter: "What's going on in Oakland? They have a mess on their hands."

 

[dgreen]

I swear I'm as close now as I've ever been to dropping this team because of Cerrato. And that's heartbreaking.

A poll over at extremeskins asking: "If Vinny stays, are you in or out?" It's 58-42 in favor of OUT.

 

[big0mar]

Living in DC, being a Dolphins fan, and despising the Redskins, I will say this:

Please, keep Vinny around!

 

[Marvelous]

Good stuff from Marty. I'm not aware of him speaking about Dan and Vinny that way before in public.

First, the idea of Vinny "scouting" implies he'll be around to help make that selection which makes my stomach turn.

I agree. It seems to be a clear sign to me that Dan doesn't have any current plans to dump Cerrato. The only way around that right now is just that Danny is proceeding with business as usual, which I think tends to be the right thing to do even you have certain plans for future. In a way, it would be stupid to NOT scout even if you are going to get rid of him. Let him do his job while he's here, get info from him, and move forward after you fire him.

Secondly, why the hell is Snyder "scouting" as Marty said?

It's a joke. The only value Snyder can bring to scouting is talking to players on a character-assessment level, but I doubt they are allowed to do that right now. I mean, if he's going to fork over $50M for someone, he should probably talk to them and get an idea of what kind of person they are. But, again, it's not time for that so I think he clearly sees himself as scouting them on the field.

Third, why are they scouting a QB before they even know who the coach will be? Are they going to dictate to the new coach who his QB will be? I guess that'd be the norm, like hiring the coordinators first.

As I said, I don't have a huge problem with proceeding with business as usual even if you are planning changes. And, I don't have a problem with scouting QBs even though they should be drafting OL because I think you need to have a good idea of everyone's value so you can properly evaluate trade offers and draft positioning. But, something tells me that's not what's going on.

The Redskins should have a whole scouting department and they should be scouting college players now. Vinny may still be the head scout. So no problems with him scouting any players. Snyder out scouting players is just downright bizarre.

 

[Marvelous]

Looks like Cerrato interviewed Claussen this morning

"Now I read where you get advice from Joe Theismann and Joe Montana, two ex-Notre Dame quarterbacks," Cerrato said. "What kind of advice do they give you?"

Now, bear in mind that Cerrato and Theismann are actually ESPN 980 co-workers. I hope to heavens that Theismann has Clausen on in coming weeks to ask what Cerrato has told him. Anyhow, here's his response.

"You know, they just talk to me like I'm one of their sons, and just tell me all the ins and outs of everything," he said. "I think the biggest thing those guys taught me on the field is just to take what the defense gives you and just check the ball down if nothing's down the field. You know, coming into Notre Dame I always thought that I needed to make a play down the field every single time I had the ball, but that's really not the case. You just want to keep the chains moving, keep getting first downs and at the end of the drive, you ultimately want to score. And they just talk a lot to me about mental preparation of the game. I'm really gonna be talking to both of those guys going into this process of the draft and down the road."

I really don't like this guy:

After the interview was over, Cerrato returned to the Charlie Weis factor, which they had discussed several times during the interview.

"I think playing for Charlie Weis will help him," Cerrato surmised. "And a lot of people will talk to Charlie about compare him to Brady Quinn, compare him to this and that, and what do they think of him. And the thing that he's got going for him, reading the articles, is Charlie's gonna be back in the NFL. And if it's with a team that needs a quarterback, then he may end up back with Charlie. So good luck to the Notre Dame guys."

I am a bit baffled here. First of all, I thought there was a limit to how much contact NFL teams had with individual players. It seems like interviewing a potential high draft pick on the radio is over the line.

Secondly, there can't be any upside to a GM airing his opinions on an upcoming draft pick on the radio for any other NFL team to hear.

I always thougth Cerrato having his own, regular radio show was stupid. Cerrato telling everyone his opinions on a draft pick is idiotic.

 

[Bizkiteer]

I hate Landry more and more every week.

His comments don't help his case, either.

I will say, though, that Mike Mayock doesn't think Landry should get all the blame for the last TD. They were in a Quarters defense (4 guys in a deep zone). Landry stepped up and Smoot was along the sideline with nobody to cover. So, Smoot should have rotated over Landry. As Mayock said, "He should have been looking for work."

It is really important for defensive backs to shake off their disasters so they can concentrate on the next play. So I am not bothered by his comments. Still, I think Landry has been an average FS at best. I understand he has the physical talent to be a good FS, but he just looks out of position.

I'm fine with him moving on to the next play. But, he doesn't generally admit (to the media, at least) when he made a mistake and then he says things like "I'll still play my game." Well, your game keeps giving up TDs. Even when you are on your game, you're pretty much always a step late and the receiver usually holds onto the ball for a reception.

 

[thayman]

more on the scapegoating of SS

why do you love suisham so much?

 

[fatness]

First of all, I thought there was a limit to how much contact NFL teams had with individual players. It seems like interviewing a potential high draft pick on the radio is over the line.

It seems that way to me, too.

Secondly, there can't be any upside to a GM airing his opinions on an upcoming draft pick on the radio for any other NFL team to hear.

I was going to agree with that also, but not one other team in the league pays any attention to his player opinions.

 

[thayman]

First of all, I thought there was a limit to how much contact NFL teams had with individual players. It seems like interviewing a potential high draft pick on the radio is over the line.

It seems that way to me, too.

Secondly, there can't be any upside to a GM airing his opinions on an upcoming draft pick on the radio for any other NFL team to hear.

I was going to agree with that also, but not one other team in the league pays any attention to his player opinions.

I don't know the rules but I thought after a player declared for the draft NFL teams were allowed more leeway with how much they can talk to college players.

 

[fatness]

Read it and weep.

The turmoil surrounding Redskins owner Dan Snyder and executive vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato had become a national story, with fans making public displays of anger at FedEx Field during games.

But it takes tremendous energy to hate something you desperately want to love. The perception that the Redskins played hard and played better the past three weeks in narrow losses to good teams has quieted the savage fan base enough that some now believe the organization is not far removed from being a winner.

In other words, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it," as Snyder said several years ago when asked in the wake of Joe Gibbs' resignation about whether he would hire a general manager.

Based on developments this week, management still believes it isn't broke.

 

[ChrisCooleyFan]

Read it and weep.

The turmoil surrounding Redskins owner Dan Snyder and executive vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato had become a national story, with fans making public displays of anger at FedEx Field during games.

But it takes tremendous energy to hate something you desperately want to love. The perception that the Redskins played hard and played better the past three weeks in narrow losses to good teams has quieted the savage fan base enough that some now believe the organization is not far removed from being a winner.

In other words, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it," as Snyder said several years ago when asked in the wake of Joe Gibbs' resignation about whether he would hire a general manager.

Based on developments this week, management still believes it isn't broke.

I knew this was gonna happen.

 

[thayman]

Read it and weep.

The turmoil surrounding Redskins owner Dan Snyder and executive vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato had become a national story, with fans making public displays of anger at FedEx Field during games.

But it takes tremendous energy to hate something you desperately want to love. The perception that the Redskins played hard and played better the past three weeks in narrow losses to good teams has quieted the savage fan base enough that some now believe the organization is not far removed from being a winner.

In other words, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it," as Snyder said several years ago when asked in the wake of Joe Gibbs' resignation about whether he would hire a general manager.

Based on developments this week, management still believes it isn't broke.

I knew this was gonna happen.

####It's so irritating because with a good GM and Snyder just writing checks this team could become very good.

 

[Marvelous]

Read it and weep.

The turmoil surrounding Redskins owner Dan Snyder and executive vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato had become a national story, with fans making public displays of anger at FedEx Field during games.

But it takes tremendous energy to hate something you desperately want to love. The perception that the Redskins played hard and played better the past three weeks in narrow losses to good teams has quieted the savage fan base enough that some now believe the organization is not far removed from being a winner.

In other words, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it," as Snyder said several years ago when asked in the wake of Joe Gibbs' resignation about whether he would hire a general manager.

Based on developments this week, management still believes it isn't broke.

My interpretation: Snyder is happy losing games close.Actually, there is an interesting lesson here: The Redskins are playing better when Portis, Thomas, Samuel, Hall, and for a couple of games, Haynesworth were not playing. It really flies in the face with Snyder's and Cerrato's paradym that you need to have a lot of high priced free agents to put together a good team.

 

[fatness]

Actually, there is an interesting lesson here: The Redskins are playing better when Portis, Thomas, Samuel, Hall, and for a couple of games, Haynesworth were not playing. It really flies in the face with Snyder's and Cerrato's paradym that you need to have a lot of high priced free agents to put together a good team.

I think you've lumped some things together that don't belong together. The Redskins would be playing better right now with Samuels, Hall, and Haynesworth in the lineup.Portis --- maybe, maybe not.

Thomas --- not.

The lesson here is that there's no lesson that has been learned by the front office. They'll go after high profile players and patch everything else. Again.

edit: The other lesson is something I said a couple times before --- that it was important to keep visible fan dissatisfaction with Snyder and Cerrato very high. Once the team seemed to be improving a bit the signs and visible anger died down, and now "all's well" in the mind of the front office. They needed to be embarrassed for a full season by their fans in order for front office change to happen. They weren't, and it won't.

 

[thayman]

Actually, there is an interesting lesson here: The Redskins are playing better when Portis, Thomas, Samuel, Hall, and for a couple of games, Haynesworth were not playing. It really flies in the face with Snyder's and Cerrato's paradym that you need to have a lot of high priced free agents to put together a good team.

I think you've lumped some things together that don't belong together. The Redskins would be playing better right now with Samuels, Hall, and Haynesworth in the lineup.Portis --- maybe, maybe not.

Thomas --- not.

The lesson here is that there's no lesson that has been learned by the front office. They'll go after high profile players and patch everything else. Again.

edit: The other lesson is something I said a couple times before --- that it was important to keep visible fan dissatisfaction with Snyder and Cerrato very high. Once the team seemed to be improving a bit the signs and visible anger died down, and now "all's well" in the mind of the front office. They needed to be embarrassed for a full season by their fans in order for front office change to happen. They weren't, and it won't.

The near wins are just as bad if we had won. It just reinforces the belief that the Head Coach is the main problem, and just add a few more players and the team will be fine.

 

[Marvelous]

Actually, there is an interesting lesson here: The Redskins are playing better when Portis, Thomas, Samuel, Hall, and for a couple of games, Haynesworth were not playing. It really flies in the face with Snyder's and Cerrato's paradym that you need to have a lot of high priced free agents to put together a good team.

I think you've lumped some things together that don't belong together. The Redskins would be playing better right now with Samuels, Hall, and Haynesworth in the lineup.Portis --- maybe, maybe not.

Thomas --- not.

The lesson here is that there's no lesson that has been learned by the front office. They'll go after high profile players and patch everything else. Again.

edit: The other lesson is something I said a couple times before --- that it was important to keep visible fan dissatisfaction with Snyder and Cerrato very high. Once the team seemed to be improving a bit the signs and visible anger died down, and now "all's well" in the mind of the front office. They needed to be embarrassed for a full season by their fans in order for front office change to happen. They weren't, and it won't.

The fan base is being a little too short sighted. And if the Redskins keep the status quo, Snyder and Cerrato are also being short sighted.The GM of a team is supposed to take a long term view and see the problems and issues before they occur. So...

1. Vinny strips Zorn of the play calling because he has too much on his plate. Fine. But it was the same amount that he had on his plate last season, when the finished 2-6. If that was truly a major problem, and it may have been, Cerrato should have seen it and taken care of it in the off season, not four games into the season.

2. Hiring an offensive consultant during the season sure looked like a knee jerk reaction. If they needed another set of eyes, they should have addressed that in the off season, not add someone during the season.

3. Vinny said they planned for Samuels and Thomas not making it through the season. Yet no one can really see how they were prepared for their injuries. Once again, this clearly should have been addressed during the off season.

One of the keys to being a leader is to see where you are going and how to get there. Cerrato has shown he cannot see or plan for the future. Because of that, I am convinced he will never be a good, or even adequate GM.

 

[thayman]

Actually, there is an interesting lesson here: The Redskins are playing better when Portis, Thomas, Samuel, Hall, and for a couple of games, Haynesworth were not playing. It really flies in the face with Snyder's and Cerrato's paradym that you need to have a lot of high priced free agents to put together a good team.

I think you've lumped some things together that don't belong together. The Redskins would be playing better right now with Samuels, Hall, and Haynesworth in the lineup.Portis --- maybe, maybe not.

Thomas --- not.

The lesson here is that there's no lesson that has been learned by the front office. They'll go after high profile players and patch everything else. Again.

edit: The other lesson is something I said a couple times before --- that it was important to keep visible fan dissatisfaction with Snyder and Cerrato very high. Once the team seemed to be improving a bit the signs and visible anger died down, and now "all's well" in the mind of the front office. They needed to be embarrassed for a full season by their fans in order for front office change to happen. They weren't, and it won't.

The fan base is being a little too short sighted. And if the Redskins keep the status quo, Snyder and Cerrato are also being short sighted.The GM of a team is supposed to take a long term view and see the problems and issues before they occur. So...

1. Vinny strips Zorn of the play calling because he has too much on his plate. Fine. But it was the same amount that he had on his plate last season, when the finished 2-6. If that was truly a major problem, and it may have been, Cerrato should have seen it and taken care of it in the off season, not four games into the season.

2. Hiring an offensive consultant during the season sure looked like a knee jerk reaction. If they needed another set of eyes, they should have addressed that in the off season, not add someone during the season.

3. Vinny said they planned for Samuels and Thomas not making it through the season. Yet no one can really see how they were prepared for their injuries. Once again, this clearly should have been addressed during the off season.

One of the keys to being a leader is to see where you are going and how to get there. Cerrato has shown he cannot see or plan for the future. Because of that, I am convinced he will never be a good, or even adequate GM.

The problem is that once they gave the play calling to Sherm Lewis the offense improves. Unfortunately I think this will make Snyder think that Cerrato is not the biggest problem with the team.

 

[Sebowski]

Read it and weep.

The turmoil surrounding Redskins owner Dan Snyder and executive vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato had become a national story, with fans making public displays of anger at FedEx Field during games.

But it takes tremendous energy to hate something you desperately want to love. The perception that the Redskins played hard and played better the past three weeks in narrow losses to good teams has quieted the savage fan base enough that some now believe the organization is not far removed from being a winner.

In other words, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it," as Snyder said several years ago when asked in the wake of Joe Gibbs' resignation about whether he would hire a general manager.

Based on developments this week, management still believes it isn't broke.

My interpretation: Snyder is happy losing games close.Actually, there is an interesting lesson here: The Redskins are playing better when Portis, Thomas, Samuel, Hall, and for a couple of games, Haynesworth were not playing. It really flies in the face with Snyder's and Cerrato's paradym that you need to have a lot of high priced free agents to put together a good team.

No. The lesson is that it only takes one poorly written story by a reporter to send fans into a frenzy. The writer implies that since there are no more protests "management still believes it isn't broke" and since Snyder said that years ago he must be pretty happy with the team. This is total BS writing. The writer doesn't even pretend to have a source. Just worded his piece so that people believe there is one.

 

[T Bell]

Read it and weep.

The turmoil surrounding Redskins owner Dan Snyder and executive vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato had become a national story, with fans making public displays of anger at FedEx Field during games.

But it takes tremendous energy to hate something you desperately want to love. The perception that the Redskins played hard and played better the past three weeks in narrow losses to good teams has quieted the savage fan base enough that some now believe the organization is not far removed from being a winner.

In other words, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it," as Snyder said several years ago when asked in the wake of Joe Gibbs' resignation about whether he would hire a general manager.

Based on developments this week, management still believes it isn't broke.

My interpretation: Snyder is happy losing games close.Actually, there is an interesting lesson here: The Redskins are playing better when Portis, Thomas, Samuel, Hall, and for a couple of games, Haynesworth were not playing. It really flies in the face with Snyder's and Cerrato's paradym that you need to have a lot of high priced free agents to put together a good team.

No. The lesson is that it only takes one poorly written story by a reporter to send fans into a frenzy. The writer implies that since there are no more protests "management still believes it isn't broke" and since Snyder said that years ago he must be pretty happy with the team. This is total BS writing. The writer doesn't even pretend to have a source. Just worded his piece so that people believe there is one.

That was commentary more than reporting IMHO. Regardless, do you think he's wrong?

 

[fatness]

No. The lesson is that it only takes one poorly written story by a reporter to send fans into a frenzy.

Where's the frenzy? And since the point of the article is that there's no heated emotions flying around like there were earlier this season, do you disagree? I think the author's correct about that.

The writer implies that since there are no more protests "management still believes it isn't broke" and since Snyder said that years ago he must be pretty happy with the team.

The writer said that, since Snyder's out scouting QB's with Cerrato, he's sticking to his same method of running the team. Since it's widely acknowledged by most people that this QB is not the biggest problem with the team, and since we've seen year after year that Snyder's desires for player acquisition have trumped actual team needs, the scouting together fits that pattern. Do you disagree? Do you think Cerrato's gone, and that Snyder's going to hire a GM to get the players the team needs instead of the players Snyder wants?

This is total BS writing. The writer doesn't even pretend to have a source. Just worded his piece so that people believe there is one.

Where did he word it like that? He said "Based on developments this week, management still believes it isn't broke" and listed those developments.

 

[fatness]

The fan base is being a little too short sighted. And if the Redskins keep the status quo, Snyder and Cerrato are also being short sighted.The GM of a team is supposed to take a long term view and see the problems and issues before they occur. So...1. Vinny strips Zorn of the play calling because he has too much on his plate. Fine. But it was the same amount that he had on his plate last season, when the finished 2-6. If that was truly a major problem, and it may have been, Cerrato should have seen it and taken care of it in the off season, not four games into the season.2. Hiring an offensive consultant during the season sure looked like a knee jerk reaction. If they needed another set of eyes, they should have addressed that in the off season, not add someone during the season.3. Vinny said they planned for Samuels and Thomas not making it through the season. Yet no one can really see how they were prepared for their injuries. Once again, this clearly should have been addressed during the off season.One of the keys to being a leader is to see where you are going and how to get there. Cerrato has shown he cannot see or plan for the future. Because of that, I am convinced he will never be a good, or even adequate GM.

I agree with all of that. But it's looking at the moment like Vinny has saved his job by improving the team from "terrible" to "losing close games".