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***Official 2011 Dallas Cowboys Thread*** (2 Viewers)
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Mustang Man
Footballguy
We held Tom Brady to 20pts in his own house after he put up 30+pts in 5 consecutive games. Welker had what? 45 yards with a 7.5 average? I would say our secondary can play pretty well when we have our starters. This team will be alright.Problem is, when healthy, they're horrible. Rob Ryan probably was too confident in his scheme that he could hide them, that they didn't make any significant additions to the secondary, aside from Elam. Jerry & Stephen are inherently too focused on skill positions to see the wisdom of addressing less glitzy areas of need. And, you've got all these Cowboy fans who are stuck in the delusion of what they first thought they had in Newman and Jenkins to argue that we've got a "top-5 CB tandem" and other ridiculous oddities. It's like this team can do no harm, and yet it keeps stabbing all of us in the same soft spot as it always does--OL and D backfield. Yet, we're all so happy and applauding the 2009 draft because we picked up 12 special teamers who, not one of them is rostered now. We've got fans asking about Brandon Lloyd for chrissakes when it's so obvious we should be more concerned about our running game and pass protection and our utter inability to block guys in front of us.I also thought Garrett was going to bring in a new era of discipline. This team still takes horrible penalties at the most inopportune time.As before, I hand the baton back to the Cowboy fans who think all is right in Arlington and that we just need a "tweak or two" and we'll be right on course. This has been the constant refrain for the last 15 years, so I doubt another crushing loss in a winnable game will change anything.Cobalt, you so won that argument.2010 Cowboys: 26th in passing yards allowed2011 Cowboys: 14th in passing yards allowed, facing 3 stiffs (Sanchez, A. Smith, Grossman) one up and comer (Stafford) and one all-time great.Not too impressive. And yes, being injured counts against Jenkins/Newman as a factor in being top 5 tandem, because if you aren't healthy, thenyou aren't much of a tandem.Thanks. You presented compelling stats too.
Mustang Man
Footballguy
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
You guys don't have to defend being optimistic about your favorite team. Nobody in here is saying their a SB team or claims they don't have a lot to work on but they aren't as bad as their record. They'll be .500 after this week with 10 games to play. The way I see it, Philly and Dallas are the best two teams in a weak division, it'll be a dogfight till the end.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
They are what their record says they are. I can hope for them to play smarter. More consistency. Fewer mistakes. Suddenly improve in key positions of weakness. More sensible game planning. Romo having a frontal lobotomy. We can hope for all of these developments this year, and if they get all that down, we'll win this weak division. Yay.
Ridgelake
Footballguy
My guess is that Tree will do it. This will allow Dallas to keep him active on game day and not burn another spot just for the returner like they did with Harris. Last game, Harris only played on returns and no offensive snaps. Tree, as WR4, only a few offensive snaps. Now with Harris gone, both roles go to 1 person.I'm guessing the other three are practicing as contingencies.
Mustang Man
Footballguy
So what is the latest on Bradford? We could use a break with a key player being out for an opponent for once. Nobody cares about the negative comments. It is really counter productive and serves no purpose except trying to get under someones skin. We all know the problems for this team and we also know we just played the second best team in the league (in their house) to the end and lost in the last minute. This team has promise and has made strides from last year. There is a stretch coming up that will make or break this team. I can see a nice winning streak coming. After the Philly game(which is a toss up) I can see a nice run putting us at 8-4. Just saying it is possible. Consistency, late game play and red zone offense have to be taken care of but that is what a season is played for. To improve on your weaknesses and what ever team can do that the best at the END of the year will go a long way in the playoffs. See last season for an example.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Last season, some of the same crew here were talking Super Bowl, like it was our inalienable right. Sorry if it feels like i'm dumping cold water on this thread, but there is so much misinformation, cloaked as pollyanish optimism rah-rah nonsense, that someone has to offer a flash of reality here.
simmonjm
Footballguy
Wasnt only this crew, alot of national analysts were hyping Dallas as viable superbowl contenders and they were a trendy preseason pick along with the Packers. If you take a step back and look at the core of players assembled here in Dallas its an elite group. The problem has been coaching, and other positions such as Safety, O-line, etc. No one is saying superbowl but NFC East champs sounds like a realistic goal at this juncture.'cobalt_27 said:
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
I'm not sure what you were expecting before the season?? Did you feel like we were Super Bowl contenders, I didn't. If we're 3-3 after 6 and have a shot at playing for the NFC East title, for this year I'll take it. Considering the amount of times we've been in the playoffs the last 15 years I consider that pretty good, for now.In general though, I'll always choose to look at a situation half full instead of half empty, life is too short to be any other way.'cobalt_27 said:
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Better than selling excitement that isn't warranted. Maybe you can tell us again how excited you still are about the '09 draft like you did 2.5 years ago. That year set us back 3 seasons, and I was rip #### about it that whole weekend, while you were selling optimism. Sometimes fans have to take a step back and take a sobering look at their team and arrive at realistic expectations. At least I think they should.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
I prefer realism over both optimism and pessimism. Thing is we can win the East this year, sure. But, I want this team to win a SB, nothing less. Maybe they will turn fortunes around, but it's going to take a lot more than what we're seeing. No growth over last year. Poor work ethic (dez), softness (felix), stupid mistakes (everyone). No growth. No different than last year. Maybe things will change, but I'm not satisfied with a division title in a weak division. Selfish, but I want more out of this team.
Bankerguy
Footballguy
I really doubt I said I was excited over that draft.....I just said give it time before we judge it. I did like the Williams picks.
Do keep us up on your doom predictions. We will all be sure to sing your praises when you are right that we didn't win the SB.
Me, I'll be realistic and still have fun rooting for my team.
You, feel free to carry on being a self proclaimed know-it-all and be sure to remind us all when you told us we or whoever suck(s).
I hear there is room on the Lions or Bills bandwagons.
Do keep us up on your doom predictions. We will all be sure to sing your praises when you are right that we didn't win the SB.
Me, I'll be realistic and still have fun rooting for my team.
You, feel free to carry on being a self proclaimed know-it-all and be sure to remind us all when you told us we or whoever suck(s).
I hear there is room on the Lions or Bills bandwagons.
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cobalt_27
Footballguy
Dude, I live in Boston and am still a season ticket holder to the boys Go down 2-4 times a year. Been a fan since the 70s. Nobody lives and dies with this team harder than I do. Take issue with my criticisms of the team all you want, but know that my fandom is unimpeachable.
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Mustang Man
Footballguy
No growth over last year. WOW you really are pessimistic. The defense alone is an 100% improvement. Sure they need help in the secondary and that was a weakness last season as well but anyone could agree they are playing better then last season. Coaching has gotten better then last season. Not where it needs to be but better. If you disagree that is fine but I see the turn around coming. Believe me I am about as tired of this team chocking in the final 5 minutes of these 3 losses as anyone but they are improving. Is that good enough no but I am not to blind to see this team is coming along. They had a LONG way to come from after last season and 1 or 2 plays that go their way and we are looking at a 4-1. This team is close but not there maybe they can get a run going cause it is not where you are in the beginning it is how you are playing in December on January that matter. I think this team can build off of how they have played and have the confidence they can beat anyone anywhere. It could go either way but at least I see there is that possibility. I really do think they have a good shot to get to the playoffs and from there it all comes down to who is hot. GO BOYS I GOT YOUR BACK!!
simmonjm
Footballguy
So what is the team that you most wish the Cowboys would emulate?
N Zone
Footballguy
Jimmy Johnson would have this team 5-0 now, or if not he would have them only lose about one or two of the next 11 games. Can't have mental mistakes during the games; it's the reason we have three losses. I hope they play with urgency from now on being as they're only 2-3. They should be reemed out for any mistake and every loss, but I doubt that happens. Jerry and Garrett are too soft on these guys.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
I don't want them to emulate anyone. Run the ball efficiently, stay aggressive in pass game, rush the passer, play tight coverage. Be smart. Seriously, knock it off with dumb football. They often look like the keystone cops.
davidbostonsbicepsfan
Footballguy
And have a secondary that rivals at least 6 D. Sanders?
simmonjm
Footballguy
Seems like your not being fair with your expectations every nfl team misses on picks. Take a look back at the past 5 Patriots drafts vs Cowboys draft and tell me which you prefer.
Manster
Footballguy
Ok, we are all fans in here who prolly watch dam near every snap. We know whats going on. So why do you feel the need to attack? we're just discussing our favorite team. some like to have a glass half full outlook, some half empty. i usually see intelligent, well thought out posts in here. but, you really come across as an arrogant know-it-all. lighten up man, its a long season.
Mustang Man
Footballguy
Bradford is out. This is a MUST win period. We finally get a break in the schedule.
30-13 blowout
Let's go!
30-13 blowout
Let's go!
cobalt_27
Footballguy
If we're as good as everyone here thinks we are, this better be a blowout.Bradford is out. This is a MUST win period. We finally get a break in the schedule. 30-13 blowout
Mustang Man
Footballguy
Well lets look at who the Cowboys have played this year.WEEK 1 AT NYJ(3-3)- on 9-11 in the home opener. Crazy loud inviroment. Pretty much dominate then the collapse of Romo not to mention the blocked punt that went for a td that seems to get forgoten. One of the toughest situations to play in for any team all year. Lost it in the endWEEK 2AT SF(5-1)- going against yet another stout physical defense. Romo gets knocked out of the game misses the 3rd quarter, then comes back and fuels a 4th quarter comeback to win it in OT. The only loss this year for the 49ers. HMMMMMMWEEK 3Washington (3-2)-Throw out the records here. Anyone that knows football knows this is going to be a tough close physical game and the Redskins got a tough physical defense already. Dallas toughs it out and wins a close game and shows heart for the second striaght week. Rilvary games got to love it.WEEK 4Detroit (5-1) 27-3 Dallas is up in the 3rd quarter need I say more. A bigtime collapse insues TO's, bad play calling and just stupid play. Dallas was destroying this team. The only way Detriot was going to come back was if Dallas had TO'S that turned directly into points and that is what happened 2 timesIf we're as good as everyone here thinks we are, this better be a blowout.Bradford is out. This is a MUST win period. We finally get a break in the schedule. 30-13 blowout
. Had them TO'S not turned into TD's directly they win. The defense was totaly shutting down the Lions. Dallas lost the game again as they did in week 1 they did not get beaten. While it hurts more to lose games like that I would much rather lose that way then to lose because the other team was just to good. bye week- had to listen to all the national media and haters saying how bad this Dallas team is BLA BLA BLAWEEK 6AT NEW ENGLAND (5-1) Go into play a team that had won 19 straight regular season home game and scored 30 or more points every game this season. All Dallas does is hold the GREAT Tom Brady to 13 points for 59 minutes and 30 seconds. Tough hard fought game that could have went either way. Lose it to Tom terrific in the last 30 seconds. Nothing to hang your head at. Another tough learning experience for this team but nobody gave Dallas a chance in this game I mean nobody. I know they lost but most teams would if not all, well the last 18 or so have anyway and I bet 95% of them games were not that close.So in conclusion Dallas has had a very tough schedule to this point. I believe someone had stated the 2cnd toughest in the league to this point and have been in every game till the end and really played themselves in to a good situation going into the last 5 minutes of each game. So I think this team is pretty darn good. Sorry I really do. Let's see how they do vs the cream puffs of the league and they get to have a stretch where they do not have to play the top echelon every week. I think they will fair very well if they just play as they have to this point. The next 7 weeks I see them going 6-1. With the loss coming at Philly or at Washington. That puts Dallas at, get ready for this 8-4! Hey if I am wrong I got no problem admitting it. From what I have seen from their play to this point and going through the toughest part of the schedule already I have no problem seeing this team going on a run starting this week. As long as they do not take a step backwards in their play the schedule looks pretty favorable for the BOYS.All I know is I am having fun watching and I think I have lost a few years on my life with these last second games every week.Not a homers blind view but a fan that see this team competing in some tough situations against some really good teams and looking pretty good in doing so. Split the tough games and win the ones you should, lets see if they can win some of these so called easy ones coming up. If so watch out.
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cobalt_27
Footballguy
Yeah, so "fun" is not how I would describe it. The only fun game was the 49ers, with Romo gutting it out. Otherwise, it's been a ####### horror show watching this team find one way after another to choke it away. Clearly, I'm in the minority here. If we clean up on this soft spot on the schedule, then great. We are 0-3 against quality opponents (let's get a grip on what SF, they're mediocre at best). Doesn't matter how well we played the first 2-3 quarters, fact is we did enough bad things to lose to each of the quality teams we've played.I just don't think we are disciplined enough to win 6 of our next 7. Honestly, I don't even have confidence that we have the discipline to win tomorrow against STL. We should. We should blow them out of the water. But, at the core, this team has serious issues. Nothing would surprise me.'Mustang Man said:
Mustang Man
Footballguy
OK so Det is a quality team but yet SF is not. Not sure how that works out but what ever. The way I see it Sf is as good as Det(Beat them in their house) and better then the Jets. If we beat Philly will that be a quality opponent? I hear what you are saying and I would not be surprised either if this goes bad this season but I do not see it with the way the schedule looks. They are every bit as good as any team left on the schedule. Man I am glad I do not have your outlook that would really suck LOL. I understand your views though. I am good at being able to see others views and accepting them cause my view is not always right just as your are not either. I guess we will have to wait and see what the Cowboys are and let the season play out.I got your back BOYS. Lets go out and get a W and get the ball rolling in the right direction.As far as me saying it has been fun well to me Football is fun and winning and losing are part of it. I am fan no matter what and that is the way it is for me. I love this crap.
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cobalt_27
Footballguy
I feel pretty secure in the opinion that the Lions are better than the Niners. SF got last week's game, so that's fine. But, play each other 10 times, DET wins the majority of those games. Just too talented. That said, I'll concede SF looks like a quality win now with the way they're playing. When we won, I was like, "meh...it's Alex Smith, we better win against them." But, they seem above average on both sides of the ball. So, quality win...check. Cowboys got one.Agree with you that the schedule is more favorable. What I would like to see out of them is to dominate a few of these games and at least play with a bit more consistency through all 4 quarters. I still believe in Garrett big time, and he can't change the culture of this team overnight. I just thought he'd get these guys to mature faster than they have. Plus, he's working with a serious talent deficit on the O-Line and secondary that just can't be fixed right now. Drafting Tyron was a great start, so I just hope we stick to our guns and continue to develop a dominant line that Houck can mold. And, god please, please don't be one-and-done for Rob Ryan. Anyway, if we lose against STL tomorrow, I give up. But, if we can put this game in the W column, roll together a few consecutive wins, perhaps this team will learn/engrain a sense of excellence. So far, though, this team has mostly made me angry and bitter. Shocking, I know.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
That was pretty good, Cobalt. I can get behind that.
With Bradford scratched, I hope Dallas doesn't play down to their opponent. This should be a double digit win but they need to play hungry. At 2-3, they should be.
I'm hoping to see Murray step up to the task tomorrow. I would be great to see him do well but I'm not sold on our running game. I think we'll see our passing game do well but it would be nice to see us run the ball. With Philly coming up twice still, developing enough off a run game to keep them honest is important.
With Bradford scratched, I hope Dallas doesn't play down to their opponent. This should be a double digit win but they need to play hungry. At 2-3, they should be.
I'm hoping to see Murray step up to the task tomorrow. I would be great to see him do well but I'm not sold on our running game. I think we'll see our passing game do well but it would be nice to see us run the ball. With Philly coming up twice still, developing enough off a run game to keep them honest is important.
This team really could be running away with the East given it's SOS that's amazing but with the easier stretch of games coming up just keep in mind this team CONTROLS ITS OWN DESTINY. Down two to the Giants we play them twice ... if we don't lose an NFC East game we probably win the division although the Lions loss probably costs a bye assuming the team does come together to that degree. Tough to say because JG seemed to lose all faith in Romo last week and overreacted to the previous week. As long as this team doesn't overlook the Rams and can get into Philly fairly healthy we'll take our chances.Also ... I totally forgot about this. What would SJax have looked like as a Cowboy all these years?
Manster
Footballguy
wow, i know hindsight is 20/20, but dang, Julius "a stiff breeeze will tip me over" Jones, over SJax. Hahaha
Manster
Footballguy
Holy crap! D.Murray was a beast! never mind the big runs, how bout finishing the tough ones? very impressive. That Phillip Tanner looks good when he gets the ball in his hands as well.
nice blocking overall. Witten made some key blocks in the run game.
not gonna get too excited, we did what we were sposed to against the lowly Rams.
Solid D, run the rock, get the ball to Dez/Miles/Witten/Robinson once in a while, too easy! one week at a time.
nice blocking overall. Witten made some key blocks in the run game.
not gonna get too excited, we did what we were sposed to against the lowly Rams.
Solid D, run the rock, get the ball to Dez/Miles/Witten/Robinson once in a while, too easy! one week at a time.
Mustang Man
Footballguy
Nice win, what I expected minus Murray running for 250+. A Dallas Cowboys rushing record to boot. Now lets go out and run the ball again next week cause that is the weakness of Philly.
Yeah I am already talking Philly cause this game was a gimmie and they took it. Now let's go get one we are not suppose to win in Philly and make up for a loss we should not have had earlier.
Yeah I am already talking Philly cause this game was a gimmie and they took it. Now let's go get one we are not suppose to win in Philly and make up for a loss we should not have had earlier.
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davidbostonsbicepsfan
Footballguy
It was nice to watch our horrible secondary again.
Mustang Man
Footballguy
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Oh, ok. You're right.. Watching what they did against AJ Feely today, I concede...they're freaking awesome.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Great win, love the kicking game and ready to move along to the next game.
Go Cowboys
Go Cowboys
Manster
Footballguy
the thing about our secondary is, they're inconsistent. I actually kinda like Sensabaugh and Elam at safety. nothing flashy, but good tacklers. Newman has been overrated and oft injured for most of his career.Jenkins has talent, but is inconsistent. same thing for Scandrick. Having D.Ware/Rat/Lee & co., along with Ryan's scheme, REALLY helps the secondary out. oh yea, and AJ Feeley throwin the rock helps too.
Ridgelake
Footballguy
Its the Rams, Dude.
But we'll take it. Any conference win is nothing to sneeze at. Next week, however, will tell us a LOT.
If we can beat Philly, we really cement ourselves as playoff contenders while simultanously putting a LOT of dirt on their grave. They'd be 2-5, tough to come back from that. But if Philly wins, then we're both 3-4 and a couple games back of the Giants.
But we'll take it. Any conference win is nothing to sneeze at. Next week, however, will tell us a LOT.
If we can beat Philly, we really cement ourselves as playoff contenders while simultanously putting a LOT of dirt on their grave. They'd be 2-5, tough to come back from that. But if Philly wins, then we're both 3-4 and a couple games back of the Giants.
Mustang Man
Footballguy
Next week is a huge game more so for Philly then Dallas. Sure both teams need to win bad but if Dallas loses that is what was expected and they will fall into a tie at 3-4 with Philly. If Philly loses they lose a HOME DIVISION game and fall to 2-5 and possibly 3 games behind the Giants who they already lost to. They have much more on the line then Dallas does. Now Dallas has much more to gain with a win then Philly cause if they win this game that moves them to 4-3, 2-0 in the division 4-1 in the conference and keeps them 1 game back of the Giants unless they lose then they could be in a tie. Also pretty much knocks Philly out of the division race AND the Skins are who we thought they were. So it would be a two team race for the division. To me this is a 50/50 game. From what I saw outa of Philly last week vs the Skins in the second half of that game they are not back on track yet. The Skins really should have won that game but they have no QB and the lesser of two evils won the game. Dallas has a chance to kill two birds with one stone here this week. Send Philly to bed early and get their season on track for some big things ahead. A loss and we are back to square one with the Eagles.RUN THE BALL!!! THAT IS THE Eagles weakness
fasteddie_21
2006 NM Poker Champ
I'm really amazed at the lack of props that Bailey is getting. If the Cowboys had this kid the last few years, I wonder where this team would have gone. Dude has been absolute ####### NAILS. 
I remember not to long ago that a PK was what was costing us games...now, he's $$$ in the bank. How nice to have confidence in a simple, yet very important part of the team. Nice for it to be an after thought.
I remember not to long ago that a PK was what was costing us games...now, he's $$$ in the bank. How nice to have confidence in a simple, yet very important part of the team. Nice for it to be an after thought.
Mustang Man
Footballguy
I'm really amazed at the lack of props that Bailey is getting. If the Cowboys had this kid the last few years, I wonder where this team would have gone. Dude has been absolute ####### NAILS.
davidbostonsbicepsfan
Footballguy
Choice waived. At least we don't have to worry about fumbles every other carry now.
jkruppe
Footballguy
What a total disaster. So many things to be disappointed about, but here's my top 3 observations.
1. Garrett. What a mess. Another big game his team is totally unready to play. It's like he listened to all the idiots complaining about Romo and now won't let him throw the ball downfield. 0 attempts to Dez or Austin in the first half. Completely outcoached and out-gameplanned by Reid and his staff.
2. Offensive line still a huge problem. Another new body in the lineup alongside our rookies. Free has taken a big step back this season. Welcome to the big boy league, Tyron Smith.
3. We see the results of our d-line not getting home, or even providing any pressure. Our secondary exposed and getting run right out of the gym. Brooking trying to replace Lee doesn't help, but we saw Lee miss tackles and be badly out of position before he left for the locker room.
Maybe the positive that comes out of an ###-whipping like this is to provide a good learning experience for a lot of young guys on this team. Hopefully it's such a bitter pill to swallow they learn from it, move on and make sure it doesn't happen again. We'll get to meet Philly again this year.
1. Garrett. What a mess. Another big game his team is totally unready to play. It's like he listened to all the idiots complaining about Romo and now won't let him throw the ball downfield. 0 attempts to Dez or Austin in the first half. Completely outcoached and out-gameplanned by Reid and his staff.
2. Offensive line still a huge problem. Another new body in the lineup alongside our rookies. Free has taken a big step back this season. Welcome to the big boy league, Tyron Smith.
3. We see the results of our d-line not getting home, or even providing any pressure. Our secondary exposed and getting run right out of the gym. Brooking trying to replace Lee doesn't help, but we saw Lee miss tackles and be badly out of position before he left for the locker room.
Maybe the positive that comes out of an ###-whipping like this is to provide a good learning experience for a lot of young guys on this team. Hopefully it's such a bitter pill to swallow they learn from it, move on and make sure it doesn't happen again. We'll get to meet Philly again this year.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Multiple issues, but still comes back to O line and secondary as you described. At some point they have to figure out Newman and Jenkins can't be relied upon. I think Tyron will be fine, but the interior line is a joke and Free has been such a disappointment. I hope at some point, they consider switching Free and Smith. Can't be any worse.
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