***Official 2011 Philadelphia Eagles Thread*** (1 Viewer)

[eoMMan]

Desean isn't Fitz. He shouldn't expect numbers close to Fitz.

 

[Insein]

Eagles "Heart" Commercial.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/moving_the_chains/Eagles-launch-Heart-campaign-with-new-commercial.html

I noticed, as did the author, that they didn't include McNabb, BWest or Dawk. I guess as he said they are on other teams but those 3 were the Eagles for the last decade. Vick is the only one shown twice.

 

[Gold Standard]

Eagles "Heart" Commercial. http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/moving_the_chains/Eagles-launch-Heart-campaign-with-new-commercial.htmlI noticed, as did the author, that they didn't include McNabb, BWest or Dawk. I guess as he said they are on other teams but those 3 were the Eagles for the last decade. Vick is the only one shown twice.

Did they deliver us a title? If not, nothing to see here.

 

[Insein]

Eagles "Heart" Commercial. http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/moving_the_chains/Eagles-launch-Heart-campaign-with-new-commercial.htmlI noticed, as did the author, that they didn't include McNabb, BWest or Dawk. I guess as he said they are on other teams but those 3 were the Eagles for the last decade. Vick is the only one shown twice.

Did they deliver us a title? If not, nothing to see here.

Then only Norm Van Brocklin and Chuck Bednarik should be pictured in that video.

 

[Gold Standard]

Eagles "Heart" Commercial. http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/moving_the_chains/Eagles-launch-Heart-campaign-with-new-commercial.htmlI noticed, as did the author, that they didn't include McNabb, BWest or Dawk. I guess as he said they are on other teams but those 3 were the Eagles for the last decade. Vick is the only one shown twice.

Did they deliver us a title? If not, nothing to see here.

Then only Norm Van Brocklin and Chuck Bednarik should be pictured in that video.

Well sorry if Lurie didnt want to put three guys in a video that he paid over 150 million dollars between the three of them to lose a Superbowl and 4 NFC title games.

 

[Insein]

Eagles "Heart" Commercial. http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/moving_the_chains/Eagles-launch-Heart-campaign-with-new-commercial.htmlI noticed, as did the author, that they didn't include McNabb, BWest or Dawk. I guess as he said they are on other teams but those 3 were the Eagles for the last decade. Vick is the only one shown twice.

Did they deliver us a title? If not, nothing to see here.

Then only Norm Van Brocklin and Chuck Bednarik should be pictured in that video.

Well sorry if Lurie didnt want to put three guys in a video that he paid over 150 million dollars between the three of them to lose a Superbowl and 4 NFC title games.

I'm not seeing where you're going with this.

 

[Gold Standard]

Eagles "Heart" Commercial. http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/moving_the_chains/Eagles-launch-Heart-campaign-with-new-commercial.htmlI noticed, as did the author, that they didn't include McNabb, BWest or Dawk. I guess as he said they are on other teams but those 3 were the Eagles for the last decade. Vick is the only one shown twice.

Did they deliver us a title? If not, nothing to see here.

Then only Norm Van Brocklin and Chuck Bednarik should be pictured in that video.

Well sorry if Lurie didnt want to put three guys in a video that he paid over 150 million dollars between the three of them to lose a Superbowl and 4 NFC title games.

I'm not seeing where you're going with this.

We have a shaky o-line and no LB's and your worried about Heart commerical cameos?

 

[Insein]

Eagles "Heart" Commercial. http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/moving_the_chains/Eagles-launch-Heart-campaign-with-new-commercial.htmlI noticed, as did the author, that they didn't include McNabb, BWest or Dawk. I guess as he said they are on other teams but those 3 were the Eagles for the last decade. Vick is the only one shown twice.

Did they deliver us a title? If not, nothing to see here.

Then only Norm Van Brocklin and Chuck Bednarik should be pictured in that video.

Well sorry if Lurie didnt want to put three guys in a video that he paid over 150 million dollars between the three of them to lose a Superbowl and 4 NFC title games.

I'm not seeing where you're going with this.

We have a shaky o-line and no LB's and your worried about Heart commerical cameos?

So I guess I shouldn't comment on anything not related to on the field involvement then. Sorry to interrupt your serious discussion, Gold Standard. The floor is yours.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Getting Vick signed was huge b/c it takes away Jackson's optionality.Realistically we would be in line to franchise DJax next year, so he and the Eagles brass both know that any "guaranteed" money has to be $12 million or more. The key will be just how out of his mind Jackson is in terms of his value. I could see Philly guaranteeing him $20-$25mm and giving him a contract of $10-$12mm over three years (the out years would be for headlines, but meaningless otherwise). Will he want more? The Eagles won't feel compelled to do much more than that b/c of the tag.

I'm curious as to who you would compare him for contractual comparisons. Would VJax be a good basis of comparison? Obviously Fitz is too high.Here are Fitz's numbers:8/20/2011: Signed an eight-year, $128.5 million contract. The deal contains $50 million guaranteed, including a $10 million signing bonus and first-year roster bonus of $8 million. Fitzgerald is eligible for annual $250,000 workout bonuses in years two through eight. 2011: $2 million2012: $5 million (+ $6 million roster bonus due 3/31)2013: $5 million (+ $10 million option bonus due 3/15)2014: $12.75 million2015: $8 million (+ $8 million roster bonus)2016: $15 million2017-2018: $14.75 million2019: Free AgentSo realistically Fitz's $16+ mil/year is overstated. Not sure where the guarantees really are, but no way DeSean is above $10M / year.Andre Johnson signed a 7yr/$62M deal last year - which looks relatively cheap.So what do you think - 5/$40-45 for DeSean? I would guess that they do that once the year clicks over via the franchise tag so that they can afford him better with the cap tight now for 2011 (only 4-5M left).

DJax isn't even a #1 WR in the NFL. We love him because he is exciting, but he has not come close to 80 receptions let alone 100 receptions in a pass happy offense, he has not scored double digit td's and I would say he is an above average injury risk. I would put him closer to the 7 per year.

 

[Gold Standard]

Getting Vick signed was huge b/c it takes away Jackson's optionality.Realistically we would be in line to franchise DJax next year, so he and the Eagles brass both know that any "guaranteed" money has to be $12 million or more. The key will be just how out of his mind Jackson is in terms of his value. I could see Philly guaranteeing him $20-$25mm and giving him a contract of $10-$12mm over three years (the out years would be for headlines, but meaningless otherwise). Will he want more? The Eagles won't feel compelled to do much more than that b/c of the tag.

I'm curious as to who you would compare him for contractual comparisons. Would VJax be a good basis of comparison? Obviously Fitz is too high.Here are Fitz's numbers:8/20/2011: Signed an eight-year, $128.5 million contract. The deal contains $50 million guaranteed, including a $10 million signing bonus and first-year roster bonus of $8 million. Fitzgerald is eligible for annual $250,000 workout bonuses in years two through eight. 2011: $2 million2012: $5 million (+ $6 million roster bonus due 3/31)2013: $5 million (+ $10 million option bonus due 3/15)2014: $12.75 million2015: $8 million (+ $8 million roster bonus)2016: $15 million2017-2018: $14.75 million2019: Free AgentSo realistically Fitz's $16+ mil/year is overstated. Not sure where the guarantees really are, but no way DeSean is above $10M / year.Andre Johnson signed a 7yr/$62M deal last year - which looks relatively cheap.So what do you think - 5/$40-45 for DeSean? I would guess that they do that once the year clicks over via the franchise tag so that they can afford him better with the cap tight now for 2011 (only 4-5M left).

DJax isn't even a #1 WR in the NFL. We love him because he is exciting, but he has not come close to 80 receptions let alone 100 receptions in a pass happy offense, he has not scored double digit td's and I would say he is an above average injury risk. I would put him closer to the 7 per year.

I generally agree, but don't minimize the effect he was on opposing D-coordinators ability to effectively gameplan against this offense. Without that threat to stretch the field, it's a whole different story. I'm 30 years with this team and I've never seen a WR with his speed in Eagle green. DJax is a guy where you have to look a little beyond the numbers, plus, I don't think Rosenhaus is asking for Fitz type money unless I'm mistaken.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Getting Vick signed was huge b/c it takes away Jackson's optionality.Realistically we would be in line to franchise DJax next year, so he and the Eagles brass both know that any "guaranteed" money has to be $12 million or more. The key will be just how out of his mind Jackson is in terms of his value. I could see Philly guaranteeing him $20-$25mm and giving him a contract of $10-$12mm over three years (the out years would be for headlines, but meaningless otherwise). Will he want more? The Eagles won't feel compelled to do much more than that b/c of the tag.

I'm curious as to who you would compare him for contractual comparisons. Would VJax be a good basis of comparison? Obviously Fitz is too high.Here are Fitz's numbers:8/20/2011: Signed an eight-year, $128.5 million contract. The deal contains $50 million guaranteed, including a $10 million signing bonus and first-year roster bonus of $8 million. Fitzgerald is eligible for annual $250,000 workout bonuses in years two through eight. 2011: $2 million2012: $5 million (+ $6 million roster bonus due 3/31)2013: $5 million (+ $10 million option bonus due 3/15)2014: $12.75 million2015: $8 million (+ $8 million roster bonus)2016: $15 million2017-2018: $14.75 million2019: Free AgentSo realistically Fitz's $16+ mil/year is overstated. Not sure where the guarantees really are, but no way DeSean is above $10M / year.Andre Johnson signed a 7yr/$62M deal last year - which looks relatively cheap.So what do you think - 5/$40-45 for DeSean? I would guess that they do that once the year clicks over via the franchise tag so that they can afford him better with the cap tight now for 2011 (only 4-5M left).

DJax isn't even a #1 WR in the NFL. We love him because he is exciting, but he has not come close to 80 receptions let alone 100 receptions in a pass happy offense, he has not scored double digit td's and I would say he is an above average injury risk. I would put him closer to the 7 per year.

I generally agree, but don't minimize the effect he was on opposing D-coordinators ability to effectively gameplan against this offense. Without that threat to stretch the field, it's a whole different story. I'm 30 years with this team and I've never seen a WR with his speed in Eagle green. DJax is a guy where you have to look a little beyond the numbers, plus, I don't think Rosenhaus is asking for Fitz type money unless I'm mistaken.

I don't disagree but a lot of his value comes primarily due to his speed...once that's gone he's not much IMO. The MOST I think they should send his way is a deal like Holmes got and one that after 3-4 years can be done. We're in his prime years now and barring injury he should be able to still have plenty of value but I think this next deal should be his last here.And after your little rant above I'm shocked to see you discussing a WR instead of the "shaky OL and no Lbers"

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Getting Vick signed was huge b/c it takes away Jackson's optionality.

Realistically we would be in line to franchise DJax next year, so he and the Eagles brass both know that any "guaranteed" money has to be $12 million or more. The key will be just how out of his mind Jackson is in terms of his value. I could see Philly guaranteeing him $20-$25mm and giving him a contract of $10-$12mm over three years (the out years would be for headlines, but meaningless otherwise). Will he want more? The Eagles won't feel compelled to do much more than that b/c of the tag.

I'm curious as to who you would compare him for contractual comparisons. Would VJax be a good basis of comparison? Obviously Fitz is too high.Here are Fitz's numbers:

8/20/2011: Signed an eight-year, $128.5 million contract.

The deal contains $50 million guaranteed, including a $10 million signing bonus and first-year roster bonus of $8 million.

Fitzgerald is eligible for annual $250,000 workout bonuses in years two through eight.

2011: $2 million

2012: $5 million (+ $6 million roster bonus due 3/31)

2013: $5 million (+ $10 million option bonus due 3/15)

2014: $12.75 million

2015: $8 million (+ $8 million roster bonus)

2016: $15 million

2017-2018: $14.75 million

2019: Free Agent

So realistically Fitz's $16+ mil/year is overstated. Not sure where the guarantees really are, but no way DeSean is above $10M / year.

Andre Johnson signed a 7yr/$62M deal last year - which looks relatively cheap.

So what do you think - 5/$40-45 for DeSean? I would guess that they do that once the year clicks over via the franchise tag so that they can afford him better with the cap tight now for 2011 (only 4-5M left).

DJax isn't even a #1 WR in the NFL. We love him because he is exciting, but he has not come close to 80 receptions let alone 100 receptions in a pass happy offense, he has not scored double digit td's and I would say he is an above average injury risk. I would put him closer to the 7 per year.

I generally agree, but don't minimize the effect he was on opposing D-coordinators ability to effectively gameplan against this offense. Without that threat to stretch the field, it's a whole different story. I'm 30 years with this team and I've never seen a WR with his speed in Eagle green. DJax is a guy where you have to look a little beyond the numbers, plus, I don't think Rosenhaus is asking for Fitz type money unless I'm mistaken.

I don't disagree but a lot of his value comes primarily due to his speed...once that's gone he's not much IMO. The MOST I think they should send his way is a deal like Holmes got and one that after 3-4 years can be done. We're in his prime years now and barring injury he should be able to still have plenty of value but I think this next deal should be his last here.And after your little rant above I'm shocked to see you discussing a WR instead of the "shaky OL and no Lbers"

I also have a feeling we may see a few more Ricky Watters-esque catches in his future. I absolutely love watching him, but I do not think he warrants a top dollar long term deal. It wouldn't be prudent.

 

[Insein]

Getting Vick signed was huge b/c it takes away Jackson's optionality.

Realistically we would be in line to franchise DJax next year, so he and the Eagles brass both know that any "guaranteed" money has to be $12 million or more. The key will be just how out of his mind Jackson is in terms of his value. I could see Philly guaranteeing him $20-$25mm and giving him a contract of $10-$12mm over three years (the out years would be for headlines, but meaningless otherwise). Will he want more? The Eagles won't feel compelled to do much more than that b/c of the tag.

I'm curious as to who you would compare him for contractual comparisons. Would VJax be a good basis of comparison? Obviously Fitz is too high.Here are Fitz's numbers:

8/20/2011: Signed an eight-year, $128.5 million contract.

The deal contains $50 million guaranteed, including a $10 million signing bonus and first-year roster bonus of $8 million.

Fitzgerald is eligible for annual $250,000 workout bonuses in years two through eight.

2011: $2 million

2012: $5 million (+ $6 million roster bonus due 3/31)

2013: $5 million (+ $10 million option bonus due 3/15)

2014: $12.75 million

2015: $8 million (+ $8 million roster bonus)

2016: $15 million

2017-2018: $14.75 million

2019: Free Agent

So realistically Fitz's $16+ mil/year is overstated. Not sure where the guarantees really are, but no way DeSean is above $10M / year.

Andre Johnson signed a 7yr/$62M deal last year - which looks relatively cheap.

So what do you think - 5/$40-45 for DeSean? I would guess that they do that once the year clicks over via the franchise tag so that they can afford him better with the cap tight now for 2011 (only 4-5M left).

DJax isn't even a #1 WR in the NFL. We love him because he is exciting, but he has not come close to 80 receptions let alone 100 receptions in a pass happy offense, he has not scored double digit td's and I would say he is an above average injury risk. I would put him closer to the 7 per year.

I generally agree, but don't minimize the effect he was on opposing D-coordinators ability to effectively gameplan against this offense. Without that threat to stretch the field, it's a whole different story. I'm 30 years with this team and I've never seen a WR with his speed in Eagle green. DJax is a guy where you have to look a little beyond the numbers, plus, I don't think Rosenhaus is asking for Fitz type money unless I'm mistaken.

I don't disagree but a lot of his value comes primarily due to his speed...once that's gone he's not much IMO. The MOST I think they should send his way is a deal like Holmes got and one that after 3-4 years can be done. We're in his prime years now and barring injury he should be able to still have plenty of value but I think this next deal should be his last here.And after your little rant above I'm shocked to see you discussing a WR instead of the "shaky OL and no Lbers"

I also have a feeling we may see a few more Ricky Watters-esque catches in his future. I absolutely love watching him, but I do not think he warrants a top dollar long term deal. It wouldn't be prudent.

The Eagles will give him the $25mil guaranteed but will make the contract so they can get out after 2 or 3 years with minimal impact if he declines. That's what Banner does.

 

[Gold Standard]

Getting Vick signed was huge b/c it takes away Jackson's optionality.Realistically we would be in line to franchise DJax next year, so he and the Eagles brass both know that any "guaranteed" money has to be $12 million or more. The key will be just how out of his mind Jackson is in terms of his value. I could see Philly guaranteeing him $20-$25mm and giving him a contract of $10-$12mm over three years (the out years would be for headlines, but meaningless otherwise). Will he want more? The Eagles won't feel compelled to do much more than that b/c of the tag.

I'm curious as to who you would compare him for contractual comparisons. Would VJax be a good basis of comparison? Obviously Fitz is too high.Here are Fitz's numbers:8/20/2011: Signed an eight-year, $128.5 million contract. The deal contains $50 million guaranteed, including a $10 million signing bonus and first-year roster bonus of $8 million. Fitzgerald is eligible for annual $250,000 workout bonuses in years two through eight. 2011: $2 million2012: $5 million (+ $6 million roster bonus due 3/31)2013: $5 million (+ $10 million option bonus due 3/15)2014: $12.75 million2015: $8 million (+ $8 million roster bonus)2016: $15 million2017-2018: $14.75 million2019: Free AgentSo realistically Fitz's $16+ mil/year is overstated. Not sure where the guarantees really are, but no way DeSean is above $10M / year.Andre Johnson signed a 7yr/$62M deal last year - which looks relatively cheap.So what do you think - 5/$40-45 for DeSean? I would guess that they do that once the year clicks over via the franchise tag so that they can afford him better with the cap tight now for 2011 (only 4-5M left).

DJax isn't even a #1 WR in the NFL. We love him because he is exciting, but he has not come close to 80 receptions let alone 100 receptions in a pass happy offense, he has not scored double digit td's and I would say he is an above average injury risk. I would put him closer to the 7 per year.

I generally agree, but don't minimize the effect he was on opposing D-coordinators ability to effectively gameplan against this offense. Without that threat to stretch the field, it's a whole different story. I'm 30 years with this team and I've never seen a WR with his speed in Eagle green. DJax is a guy where you have to look a little beyond the numbers, plus, I don't think Rosenhaus is asking for Fitz type money unless I'm mistaken.

I don't disagree but a lot of his value comes primarily due to his speed...once that's gone he's not much IMO. The MOST I think they should send his way is a deal like Holmes got and one that after 3-4 years can be done. We're in his prime years now and barring injury he should be able to still have plenty of value but I think this next deal should be his last here.And after your little rant above I'm shocked to see you discussing a WR instead of the "shaky OL and no Lbers"

Agreed, but he's still got alot of burst left in those jets, at least 3 more years of world class speed - structure the contract accordingly and get it done. I just will have a bad taste in my mouth with Banner and the FO, if after all this spending, they go into the season without DJax taken care of.I should'nt have gotten all pissy since Insein is a good poster on the board, it's just that we're going into the season with two rookies on the O line and at rookie starting MLB who probably is overmatched at his spot. I'm excited about the season, but I'm not ready to stake my spot on the parade up Broad St in Feb.

 

[Insein]

Agreed, but he's still got alot of burst left in those jets, at least 3 more years of world class speed - structure the contract accordingly and get it done. I just will have a bad taste in my mouth with Banner and the FO, if after all this spending, they go into the season without DJax taken care of.I should'nt have gotten all pissy since Insein is a good poster on the board, it's just that we're going into the season with two rookies on the O line and at rookie starting MLB who probably is overmatched at his spot. I'm excited about the season, but I'm not ready to stake my spot on the parade up Broad St in Feb.

Its all good man.

 

[zadok]

All Super Bowl winning teams nowadays rely on rookie starters to some degree (remember James Starks?). I don't feel good about Matthews yet either, but Mudd getting behind Kelce and Watkins is a very good sign IMO.

 

[Insein]

All Super Bowl winning teams nowadays rely on rookie starters to some degree (remember James Starks?). I don't feel good about Matthews yet either, but Mudd getting behind Kelce and Watkins is a very good sign IMO.

I just have more a gut feeling than any football analysis that Casey will be ok. I don't think we can realistically expect him to be Clay. But I do think he can be a solid performer in this offense. He's going to be tested right away against Steven Jackson and Michael Turner in the first 2 weeks. So we will know in very short order if he can play in the real show.

 

[scratcher]

Even if Matthews is struggling, Rolle has been playing lights out in the preseason. The real question is the Oline. If Watkins had not been a 1st round pick, he would have been benched way before the start of the season. There are serious q's on that Oline which is a real surprise given the amount of emphasis Reid places on his guys in the trenches.

 

[Insein]

On a side note, anyone else worried about Henery? I was deferring to the FO on this one but he's got me worried if he can kick in the NFC East winds in Nov, Dec.

 

[unckeyherb]

Any chance we go after Lance Briggs?

Lance Briggs Seeking a Trade

Briggs has three years remaining on the six-year, $36 million deal he signed in 2008. He is slated to earn $3.9 million this season, $4 million in 2012 and $6.5 million in 2013.

 

[Insein]

Any chance we go after Lance Briggs?

Lance Briggs Seeking a Trade

Briggs has three years remaining on the six-year, $36 million deal he signed in 2008. He is slated to earn $3.9 million this season, $4 million in 2012 and $6.5 million in 2013.

Could we fit him under the cap and pay Desean?

 

[unckeyherb]

Any chance we go after Lance Briggs?

Lance Briggs Seeking a Trade

Briggs has three years remaining on the six-year, $36 million deal he signed in 2008. He is slated to earn $3.9 million this season, $4 million in 2012 and $6.5 million in 2013.

Could we fit him under the cap and pay Desean?

well, I am of the unfortunate opinion that they don't have any plans to pay desean. Not saying I agree with it. Just think this is a real possibility. They can always re-structure Briggs (I think they have $1.5 million in available cap space this season, after Vick.)

 

[JetMaxx]

31 yr old LBs get old and slow very quickly.

 

[shimtown]

On a side note, anyone else worried about Henery? I was deferring to the FO on this one but he's got me worried if he can kick in the NFC East winds in Nov, Dec.

Im worried about Henery in domes in September. If he makes it through that then yes I am concerned. Akers always used to talk about the difficulty of kicking in the Linc with the swirl from the one enclosed corner and the 3 open ones. Coupled with a rookie punter/holder it is scary. The reports out of camp haven't been great.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

31 yr old LBs get old and slow very quickly.

And they don't do it here...

 

[modogg]

I have a feeling that Desean is as good as gone next year. The Eagles have one of the most shrewd FO's in the league and I think the risk is not worth the reward for them. Desean wants big time money and while I agree that he is one of the most electric players in the league he is not going to get top WR money. He had 47 receptions last year (although, he does a lot with them). Throw in his durability concerns, the reality that Maclin was/is a more complete WR, bringing in Steve Smith and now this Vick signing, which I believe only freed up $1.5 Million in cap space (may be wrong about that though) and I see the writing on the wall that they will play hardball. They know that with the new CBA he has no leverage. He will have to play out his contract and take his services elsewhere next year. I really hope I am wrong, but I am not feeling good about my #10 Jersey purchase...

Relax. Eagles have only ever let a guy go before his prime once. Jeremiah Trotter. They recognized that mistake. Desean is in his prime. Eagles don't let guys go who have value to them. Desean will get paid.

I hope you are right. I'll say this, they have proven time and again that they are willing to cut ties with someone they feel is not worth it. See Duce, Trotter, TO, Lito, Dawk, Sheldon. Not saying that they made bad decisions on most of them-actually think they have an uncanny knack for determining the exact year a player will start to decline, then subtracting by one. My point is though, that once they make a decision about a player (which I get the feeling they have regarding Desean-just my opinion) they have no qualms about carrying it out-even if at the time it seems ludicrous.I'm probably being a little "sky is falling" overboard; I know.

i can't remember who was making the financial decisions for the team years ago, but I am wondering if they are ever going to try the move they had with Westy years ago when he "accidently" got paid twice. it got real messed up with Westy, but i do wonder if teams ever try moves like these, and if so it would seem to be a good way to make Desean happy for now.

 

[delusional]

Still alot of questions going into week 1, mainly with the Oline & LB. IMHO Rolle has looked better then Matthews so far but this LB core as a whole still is a bit below average. Think they really messed up letting Bradley walk.

The oline is even more screwed. I don't get how they can let a rookie C & RG start when both have not looked too good this preseason. If they are high on Keche, fine, but having Jackson in there i think would benefit both Watkins, Vick & the rest of the line just for his experience alone. Thought they should have played the projected starters for the Oline vs the Jets so they can at least play together as a whole this preseason. We know more about the 2nd string then we do about the starters & that is not a good thing.

Wells looked surprisngly good at RT. Can't say the same for Herremans since he has played a game there yet.

Starters should be

Peters - Todd - Jackson - Mathis - Wells

Leaves you with McGlynn backing up Todd, Watkns backing up Mathis, Dunlap (shiver) backing up the OT spots. Can rotate Watkins in and out of games more as the year goes on instead of throwing him to the wolves. Bad part is considering his age already, if he isnt out there week 1 or if he does struggle this year, it is going to be a questioned pick for sure.

edit: Well McGlynn was just cut...which is kinda odd, along with Austin Howard ( rightfully so ). This is kind of odd though. Their depth now is...Dunlap @ OT...Jackson @ C and.....Wells @ G & OT. They could have gotten a pick for McGlynn if they tried to trade him at least.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

We were unable to deal Hansen so he was released saving us 1.525 million for 2011

Justice also took a pay cut....Desean extension coming?

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

This thought crossed my mind as a possible backup LB plan - Dhani Jones is a FA.

 

[CiscoKid]

Here's all the recent cuts:

The Eagles made 19 moves to whittle the roster from 72 to 53 on Saturday.

The following players were released: safety Jamar Adams, running back Eldra Buckley, wide receiver Chad Hall, cornerback Joselio Hanson, defensive tackle Anthony Hargrove, wide receiver Johnnie Lee Higgins, offensive tackle Austin Howard, safety Marlin Jackson, defensive tackle Derek Landri, tight end Donald Lee, linebacker Greg Lloyd, offensive guard Mike McGlynn, wide receiver Sinorice Moss, defensive end Daniel Te'o-Nesheim, offensive lineman Fenuki Tupou and offensive lineman Reggie Wells.

Other moves: offensive tackle Jose Acuna was released from on the Reserve/Left Squad list and waived from the team. Offensive tackle Ryan Harris was waived/injured.

Defensive end Brandon Graham remains on the Physically Unable to Perform list. Offensive tackle Winston Justice was activated from the PUP list.

http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/article-1/Eagles-Get-To-53-Man-Roster-Limit/a7c794a5-60f1-4d79-9210-b49ab9577e34

I was surprised that Wells Harris was waived - I thought he was going on the PUP with Brandon Graham. Sorta surprised that Parker wasn't waived / traded / restructured. Also bummed we couldn't get a pick for Hanson....

 

[delusional]

Wow they waived Wells? I thought he played the best out of our depth. So they are going with 8 OL guys with two of them being hurt?

Cisco, you are thinking of Harris.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Here's all the recent cuts:

The Eagles made 19 moves to whittle the roster from 72 to 53 on Saturday.

The following players were released: safety Jamar Adams, running back Eldra Buckley, wide receiver Chad Hall, cornerback Joselio Hanson, defensive tackle Anthony Hargrove, wide receiver Johnnie Lee Higgins, offensive tackle Austin Howard, safety Marlin Jackson, defensive tackle Derek Landri, tight end Donald Lee, linebacker Greg Lloyd, offensive guard Mike McGlynn, wide receiver Sinorice Moss, defensive end Daniel Te'o-Nesheim, offensive lineman Fenuki Tupou and offensive lineman Reggie Wells.

Other moves: offensive tackle Jose Acuna was released from on the Reserve/Left Squad list and waived from the team. Offensive tackle Ryan Harris was waived/injured.

Defensive end Brandon Graham remains on the Physically Unable to Perform list. Offensive tackle Winston Justice was activated from the PUP list.

http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/article-1/Eagles-Get-To-53-Man-Roster-Limit/a7c794a5-60f1-4d79-9210-b49ab9577e34

I was surprised that Wells Harris was waived - I thought he was going on the PUP with Brandon Graham. Sorta surprised that Parker wasn't waived / traded / restructured. Also bummed we couldn't get a pick for Hanson....

I got the below from Twitter and WOW:Te'o-Nesheim is the latest in the Eagles' 3rd-round jinx. Ryan Moats. Tony Hunt. Chris Gocong. Billy McMullen. Matt Ware. Bryan Smith.

Also I heard Phillip Hunt was released...I thought he played good this pre-season

And I guess Desean is the PR again?

 

[CiscoKid]

Wow they waived Wells? I thought he played the best out of our depth. So they are going with 8 OL guys with two of them being hurt?Cisco, you are thinking of Harris.

Yep - 4 sure. I was surprised by both, actually, but far more with Ryan Harris. I was thinking one thing, typing another With these moves, my fingers are crossed that Herremans makes a smooth transition to RT. With Justice coming off the PUP, I guess he could go back there if things with Todd don't work out, but I can't see how be'd be happy that he had to restructure his deal / take a pay cut if he was now asked to step back in and start (barring injury...). My gut tells me that TH is going to be fine with the move to RT, I just wish the move had been made a little sooner.

 

[CiscoKid]

Also I heard Phillip Hunt was released...I thought he played good this pre-seasonAnd I guess Desean is the PR again?

I think Hunt made the cut:

Roseman said the production of CFL pickup Phillip Hunt made Te’o-Nesheim expendable.“What we looked at was the job Phillip Hunt did in the preseason,” Roseman said. “We want to make sure we stayed true to what the film was telling us. In every game he played, he made a difference as a pass rusher. It’s a testament to him that he had the production he did. No slight to Te’o, we just don’t want to keep guys on the roster just because of where they were drafted.http://www.csnphilly.com/09/03/11/Great-preseasons-couldnt-save-some-Eagle/news_eagles.html?blockID=558816&feedID=704

Wondering if Deon Lewis could eventually get worked in on punts?

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I just saw that Brandon Merriweather was realesed... He's a pro-bowl safety, this is s guy we could use.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I always look at the last cuts with the thought of either "glad he is gone" and "wow, tough choice".

Hanson falls in the first category. Glad he's gone - so that Philly doesn't need him to play. Progress. CB is a strength - finally.

Now O-line - well, I think we're in the "uh oh" category. I don't know why they would keep just eight O-linemen with such an area of weakness.

 

[zadok]

I just saw that Brandon Merriweather was realesed... He's a pro-bowl safety, this is s guy we could use.

Agreed. Sign him and cut Colt Anderson.

 

[gonzobill5]

I always look at the last cuts with the thought of either "glad he is gone" and "wow, tough choice".Hanson falls in the first category. Glad he's gone - so that Philly doesn't need him to play. Progress. CB is a strength - finally.Now O-line - well, I think we're in the "uh oh" category. I don't know why they would keep just eight O-linemen with such an area of weakness.

Maybe they plan to go after Gurode or one of the other recently cut players? Doesn't Andy usually keep extra linemen?

 

[jasvic]

Sorta surprised that Parker wasn't waived / traded / restructured.

He was.

The Eagles activated tackle Winston Justice off the physically unable to perform list. He agreed to a salary restructuring that would allow him to earn his full salary were he to play, an NFL source said. Parker agreed to a similar restructuring of his deal. The Eagles would have taken a $4.4 million salary cap by keeping Parker at original salary.

 

[delusional]

I always look at the last cuts with the thought of either "glad he is gone" and "wow, tough choice".Hanson falls in the first category. Glad he's gone - so that Philly doesn't need him to play. Progress. CB is a strength - finally.Now O-line - well, I think we're in the "uh oh" category. I don't know why they would keep just eight O-linemen with such an area of weakness.

Oline been UH OH for a while now lol. Apparently Vandervelde is the 9th Oline guy.Starters: Peters / Mathis / Keche / Watkins / Todd Depth: Dunlap / Vandervelda / Jackson / Vandervelde / JusticeI said this alot over the past two years but Juan is overrated. All these Oline guys they drafted and sold as starters are gone. Just werent good enough. I think Justice would have been cut if he didnt restructure & they would have kept Wells. Someone needs to go back to the 08 and 09 drafts and do a recap of them. I glanced over them and just shook my head. Some of the guys arent even in the league anymore but were relied on heavily while here. I thought the line would have been thiseters / Todd / Jackson / Mathis / WellsI don't know much about Mathis so maybe he could have been in over McGlynn. Ideally Watkins should be starting but he has looked meh out there. They could have rotated him in and out as the season went on. Harris & Justice would have been PUP'ed. Dunlap Keche McGlynn/ Mathis would have been your depth. It would give you experience on the Oline, especially at C. They could have Watkins even start if Jackson was starting but having two rookies in the middle of your line that looked so-so is a recipe for distaster. Also have to think what would have happened to Justice if he said no to restructuring? Cut? Next years draft they still need to go RT & LB.edit: Did Justice heal overnight or something that they were able to unpup him?

I just saw that Brandon Merriweather was realesed... He's a pro-bowl safety, this is s guy we could use.

Agreed. Sign him and cut Colt Anderson.

I dont think Colt gets cut because he is a ST standout. Also no on Merriweather. Vastly overrated.

 

[bweiser]

so with hansen getting cut, does nnamdi switch jersey numbers? i'd like a new jersey for 2011, but i don't want a nnamdi 24 if he's going to be wearing 21 next sunday.

 

[Donny Loved Bowling]

so with hansen getting cut, does nnamdi switch jersey numbers? i'd like a new jersey for 2011, but i don't want a nnamdi 24 if he's going to be wearing 21 next sunday.

I have posed this question in the past... I've always figured that the depth in the secondary would eventually make Hanson expendable and thus his number available. However, I think it may be too late for Nnamdi to switch, unless he is willing to reimburse Reebok for all of his jerseys bearing the other number. (The same problem that Ochocinco ran into a couple of years ago.)

 

[Donny Loved Bowling]

Eagles acquire DeVan

Good to see the Eagles have added to the OL mix, especially a guy with experience in the Howard Mudd scheme.

Tough luck for Cedric Thornton, although I still can't figure how he made the cut ahead of Landri. Or Laws for that matter.

 

[ReggieHammond]

so with hansen getting cut, does nnamdi switch jersey numbers? i'd like a new jersey for 2011, but i don't want a nnamdi 24 if he's going to be wearing 21 next sunday.

I have posed this question in the past... I've always figured that the depth in the secondary would eventually make Hanson expendable and thus his number available. However, I think it may be too late for Nnamdi to switch, unless he is willing to reimburse Reebok for all of his jerseys bearing the other number. (The same problem that Ochocinco ran into a couple of years ago.)

Spadaro said he won't be changing.

 

[Donny Loved Bowling]

Who the hell is going to return punts on this team? Can't see DeSean agreeing to do it, considering his contract situation. Anybody promising on the waiver wire?

God I hope they still remember the lesson learned in Week 1 2007 at Green Bay.

 

[loose circuits]

Roseman said the production of CFL pickup Phillip Hunt made Te’o-Nesheim expendable.“What we looked at was the job Phillip Hunt did in the preseason,” Roseman said. “We want to make sure we stayed true to what the film was telling us. In every game he played, he made a difference as a pass rusher. It’s a testament to him that he had the production he did. No slight to Te’o, we just don’t want to keep guys on the roster just because of where they were drafted.http://www.csnphilly.com/09/03/11/Great-preseasons-couldnt-save-some-Eagle/news_eagles.html?blockID=558816&feedID=704

Wondering if Deon Lewis could eventually get worked in on punts?

Wasn't that a similar story to how they found Trent Cole- he just started making plays on tape and earned a job?Lewis on punt returns makes the most sense to me if he can catch them? What about DRC returning punts? Guy can make plays with the ball in his hand and if he's not playing full-time on D it makes sense.

 

[delusional]

Cant believe our first game is 6 days away and they still don't have someone returning punts....deja vu. It is the things like this that make eagles fans facepalm & rip on Reid. Seems this this always takes 2 steps forward ( DRC, Aso, Brown ) then 2 steps back ( no returners, oline issues )

 

[CiscoKid]

What about DRC returning punts? Guy can make plays with the ball in his hand and if he's not playing full-time on D it makes sense.

I think he's worth a look, but the stats I saw on him indicated he fumbled on his only punt with the Cards. I agree with Delusional - it's hard to believe that it doesn't appear we have the PR worked out at this point. A bit of deja vu for sure. I just saw that we signed WR Ronald Johnson to the practice squad, who looks like one of his main attributes is as a PR:

Johnson, 5-11, 199, was originally a sixth-round draft choice of the San Francisco 49ers in the 2011 draft but was released as part of the team's final roster cut down. Johnson played in 47 games at USC, racking up 3,501 all-purpose yards in his four-year career. As a senior, he was a second-team All-Pac 10 selection as a punt returner and an honorable mention choice as a receiver after compiling 64 receptions for 692 yards and eight touchdowns to go along with 22 punt returns for 312 yards (14.2 average) and a touchdown.

I was almost wondering if he was signed as PR "insurance" who could be activated for returns if he should be needed, but I have to figure that Desean will return punts before we go to that extreme.

 

[delusional]

Woot thats a rarity. Someone agreed with me in the eagles thread LOL. Long timers in this thread might chucke at that.

I would honestly not be suprised to see Marsh or Lindley come down with a phantom injury to land on the IR & Higgins brought back in ( if he wasnt picked up ) cause he was a punt returner. Figured that is why they signed the guy in the offseason.

Interesting note...Teo is on the practice squard according to eagles roster page http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/team/roster.html

 

[loose circuits]

Cant believe our first game is 6 days away and they still don't have someone returning punts....deja vu. It is the things like this that make eagles fans facepalm & rip on Reid. Seems this this always takes 2 steps forward ( DRC, Aso, Brown ) then 2 steps back ( no returners, oline issues )

seems to me like the oline issues can't be any worse than last year. When you release a guy that started 16 games or whatever McGlynn started and also bench a guy that has started in the past (Jamaal Jackson), you would think there is some improvement there. Guess I'm in the camp that thinks they'll sort this out. Mudd definitely provides the right leadership to get them to gel