delusional
Footballguy
Dont get me started on the draft. Went through that a while back in this thread about how much they been missing out completely. Lots of swings n a miss picks, incredible amount of 2 round reaches and such too
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Saint
Footballguy
I like Riley Cooper..
need2know
Footballguy
This may be over simplifying but when I look at these two drafts one thing stands out to me. Most of our top picks are players from smaller or less successful programs like kentucky, south fl, wash, baylor, temple, utah st. if it were up to me, I would focus more on players that played for bigger more successful programs. Mainly sec, fl and texas schools. Just seems they draft too many project players they probably could have had a round or two later cause they try to outthink the room all the time.I like Riley Cooper..
Insein
Footballguy
They are like the guy in your FF league that takes 4 or 5 sleepers and all of them 2 to 3 rounds early because he is smarter than everyone else. Then he drops them within the first 2 weeks of the season.This may be over simplifying but when I look at these two drafts one thing stands out to me. Most of our top picks are players from smaller or less successful programs like kentucky, south fl, wash, baylor, temple, utah st. if it were up to me, I would focus more on players that played for bigger more successful programs. Mainly sec, fl and texas schools. Just seems they draft too many project players they probably could have had a round or two later cause they try to outthink the room all the time.I like Riley Cooper..
Insein
Footballguy
But does like mean he's an NFL starter? Would Riley Cooper be a #1 or #2 on any team is this league right now? Does he project to be in the next 2 years? Riley cooper is a white Hank Baskett.I like Riley Cooper..
renesauz
IBL Representative
Not always fair to evaluate a draft so soon. Watkins is a dissapointment for where he was drafted, but hardly a bust at this point. Kelce is an obvious hit for a 6th, and Dion Lewis has flashed as a 5th. Kafka and Cooper both have flashed and could be legit starters somewhere before long.Certainly not great drafts (the early picks are certainly underwhelming), but you might be unfairly downgrading them further than they deserve.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
While it may not be fair to evaluate the draft so soon it would look as if they may be the 2 worst drafts in the history of the team.
Seeing Brandon Graham up there and watching JPP now makes me angry.
Seeing Brandon Graham up there and watching JPP now makes me angry.
Insein
Footballguy
Just the fantasy points. Go Marshawn!
CentralPA
Footballguy
To be honest I am rooting for a good draft pick. But this bunch will pick a 5th rounder out of Youngstown St for their 1st round pick.
JaxBill
Footballguy
Hey, they've had TWO quality players out of Youngstown State.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Tough question really. I think for me I'm watching for the melt-down factor. Maybe see if we get an all out 'Offense vs. Defense' brawl going on the sidelines.
Our 100 mil star QB can't play through the same injury Romo did. Our diva WR may have packed it in. Our true #1 WR has been questionable now for what, 3 weeks and hasn't seen the field? The stud CB we 'stole' from Dallas has been mostly a non-factor and is a game-time decision tonight. Now McCoy's gimpy. We're 4-7 and playing a game I had chalked up as a loss even when the SB was a realistic goal.Could be a night for lots of 
ShaHBucks
Footballguy
Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
We'll enjoy seeing Earl Thomas kick ### tonight too...'ShaHBucks said:
Insein
Footballguy
THIS!
I like many other Eagles fans felt that when the Eagles moved up in the draft that year, it was an absolute done deal that we were getting Earl Thomas. I was never more stunned in my life when they called Brandon Graham. In retrospect, I don't know why I should have been surprised. Its what they do. Its what they've always done.
Billy Bats
Footballguy
Seriously, blow it up. This is a joke.
Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
I'm going on 43 years old. I've rooted for Philadelphia teams since I was about five years old. I have never ever ever felt so sickened by or despised a team and coach the way I do this team. It's becoming physically painful to watch this heartless, gutless, and ball less team play.
Fire the Fat Man
Footballguy
You know what is interesting. The wide 9 is all Washburn (who was brought in here first) and then when Castillo was named DC it seems he was force to play the wide 9. Not making excuses for Castillo at all, because he blows, just though that was interestingthe wide nine is in great form tonight!!How the hell does castillo collect his check with a straight face? Hes robbin them blind
Fire the Fat Man
Footballguy
Didn't we draft a safety in the 2nd round?? Could have sworn we did. PLAY HIM!!! anyone is better than Coleman
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
He was in on Lynch's long TD run.
Terpman22
Footballguy
Yes Jaicquan(sp) Jarrett. I like him, but he's a project. He has been a starter once or twice, but is very raw. Big hitter and I believe he has an INT this year. But Coleman f@#!%$# blows for sure.
Saint
Footballguy
I don't think we draft a tall white guy in the 5th round as a WR #1 or WR #2. All I'm saying is I like Cooper as a decent WR #3/#4 that can stretch the field and presents a good target. Don't be a hater.But does like mean he's an NFL starter? Would Riley Cooper be a #1 or #2 on any team is this league right now? Does he project to be in the next 2 years? Riley cooper is a white Hank Baskett.I like Riley Cooper..
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
I think Castillo became the DC because Reid couldn't find anyone else to take the job. What DC worth their salt would want to come into a situation where he has to use someone else's system?You know what is interesting. The wide 9 is all Washburn (who was brought in here first) and then when Castillo was named DC it seems he was force to play the wide 9. Not making excuses for Castillo at all, because he blows, just though that was interestingthe wide nine is in great form tonight!!
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Will the last fan out, please turn out the lights?
Saint
Footballguy
We need to fix LB more than anything.
GoBirds
Footballguy
If we just start drafting LB before the 7th round it will be an improvement.
Saint
Footballguy
Ain't that the truth. Just pathetic. We knew we had the problem preseason and we still let Bradley walk. He would have been a HUGE upgrade.. How sad is that.
fflmonster
Footballguy
I never would have thought this, but could Andy Reid be fired BEFORE the season is over?
I don't think it would happen, but at least we as fans would know that something is going to change for next year.
Maybe the players would actually play with the fat man gone.
The problem with my idea is who would take over as coach? I don't think we have one coach that is worth a damn, except Howard Mudd.
I would actually keep Howard Mudd and fire everyone else tomorrow.
I don't think it would happen, but at least we as fans would know that something is going to change for next year.
Maybe the players would actually play with the fat man gone.
The problem with my idea is who would take over as coach? I don't think we have one coach that is worth a damn, except Howard Mudd.
I would actually keep Howard Mudd and fire everyone else tomorrow.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Next up, @Miami.
Could be a battle of 2 4-8 teams.
Could be a battle of 2 4-8 teams.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Miami is a much better team. Actually showing up for their coach.
nxmehta
Footballguy
This seems like the least of your concerns?
Michael VickLeSean McCoyDeSean JacksonJeremy MaclinJason AvantBrent CelekJason PetersJason BabinCullen JenkinsTrent ColeAsante SamuelNnamdi AsomughaDominique Rodgers-CromartieThere are teams that would KILL for talent like this (trust me, I watch one of them every week). The draft is for accumulating talent. The Eagles are not losing because they haven't accumulated enough talent from 2010-2011. They are losing because they have great players playing like ####. Now, whether or not that's Reid's fault or the players' fault, who knows...
simmonjm
Footballguy
31 teams had abiliity to acquire Babin, Jenkins, Nnamdi,and Vick and chose not to, so to say teams would kill for them is probably the definition of hyperbole. Dont get me wrong the guys on your list are talented but nearly every NFL team has at least 5-10 above average players.This seems like the least of your concerns?
Michael Vick
LeSean McCoy
DeSean Jackson
Jeremy Maclin
Jason Avant
Brent Celek
Jason Peters
Jason Babin
Cullen Jenkins
Trent Cole
Asante Samuel
Nnamdi Asomugha
Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie
There are teams that would KILL for talent like this (trust me, I watch one of them every week). The draft is for accumulating talent. The Eagles are not losing because they haven't accumulated enough talent from 2010-2011. They are losing because they have great players playing like ####. Now, whether or not that's Reid's fault or the players' fault, who knows...
phillybirds
Footballguy
Jeremiah Trotter
@JTrotter_54 Jeremiah Trotter
This organization #Eagles have a history of making guys hate playing for them!!!!!!'
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Jeremiah Trotter
@JTrotter_54 Jeremiah Trotter
1. I love #Andy Reid
2. Great coach for yrs
3. Not winning now
4. #NFL= what have u done for me lately
5. All good things must end sometime
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I miss when we had guys like him who had heart. :(
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Jeremiah Trotter after being released...
I truly believe that if you were to cut me, I'd bleed green
@JTrotter_54 Jeremiah Trotter
This organization #Eagles have a history of making guys hate playing for them!!!!!!'
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Jeremiah Trotter
@JTrotter_54 Jeremiah Trotter
1. I love #Andy Reid
2. Great coach for yrs
3. Not winning now
4. #NFL= what have u done for me lately
5. All good things must end sometime
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I miss when we had guys like him who had heart. :(
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Jeremiah Trotter after being released...
I truly believe that if you were to cut me, I'd bleed green
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Insein
Footballguy
I was somewhat joking but I actually got more enjoyment from Lynch's play last night than the Eagles. In the past I would have been miserable after a loss like that. Now I just give a sarcastic laugh and check my fantasy stats. Its relieving and sad at the same time.'Insein said:
Insein
Footballguy
Yes but I asked if any of those guys were NFL starting calibur talent. I like Cooper as a 4th WR because thats what he gives you. Those last drafts have yielded 0 (ZERO) starting calibur players. Usually teams can hang their hat on at least 1 guy that they know can be plugged in. Kelce I guess is that guy but how much is it him being good and how much is it being hand picked by Mudd to be his prototypical center? The 2010 draft is a complete bust right now. We can say Nate Allen might be servicable one day but we could have had Earl Thomas. These have been the 2 worst drafts of Reid's tenure and thats saying something.'Saint said:I don't think we draft a tall white guy in the 5th round as a WR #1 or WR #2. All I'm saying is I like Cooper as a decent WR #3/#4 that can stretch the field and presents a good target. Don't be a hater.But does like mean he's an NFL starter? Would Riley Cooper be a #1 or #2 on any team is this league right now? Does he project to be in the next 2 years? Riley cooper is a white Hank Baskett.I like Riley Cooper..
loose circuits
Footballguy
way too early to evaluate 2011's draft especially when they didn't have a camp to develop guys like Jarrett and Watkins.
I really like Cheney from the 2010 draft. He's probably the best LB of the bunch and gets after it pretty good. He definitely played well last season as well so he's built up somewhat of a resume. the problem is the guys playing on both sides of him aren't ready yet.
Riley Cooper is a lot more than Hank Baskett. Much more physical and an overall better athlete, but he does have a lot to learn. Consistency should come with more playing time. Not everyone can just jump in without significant playing time and perform at a high level. I think overall he's done a decent job and shown signs in his 2nd year
Would be nice if we could replace Desean with Justin Blackmon and have a legit WR1. Desean has obviously been part of the problem this year.
I really like Cheney from the 2010 draft. He's probably the best LB of the bunch and gets after it pretty good. He definitely played well last season as well so he's built up somewhat of a resume. the problem is the guys playing on both sides of him aren't ready yet.
Riley Cooper is a lot more than Hank Baskett. Much more physical and an overall better athlete, but he does have a lot to learn. Consistency should come with more playing time. Not everyone can just jump in without significant playing time and perform at a high level. I think overall he's done a decent job and shown signs in his 2nd year
Would be nice if we could replace Desean with Justin Blackmon and have a legit WR1. Desean has obviously been part of the problem this year.
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Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
One that used to be an offensive line coach and doesnt have a defensive system to begin with...'Pip said:I think Castillo became the DC because Reid couldn't find anyone else to take the job. What DC worth their salt would want to come into a situation where he has to use someone else's system?'Fire the Fat Man said:You know what is interesting. The wide 9 is all Washburn (who was brought in here first) and then when Castillo was named DC it seems he was force to play the wide 9. Not making excuses for Castillo at all, because he blows, just though that was interesting'need2know said:the wide nine is in great form tonight!!
How the hell does castillo collect his check with a straight face? Hes robbin them blind
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
The next 4 games we get @Miami, Jets, @ Dallas and Washington. After watching us last night I think its a given that we drop 3 out of those 4 with out best case scanerio going 2-2. I think it's a given that Reid is done here.
We need to get a young, hungry, firey up and coming coach to come in here and if it's possible we should move Jackson for an upgrade at LBer.
We need to get a young, hungry, firey up and coming coach to come in here and if it's possible we should move Jackson for an upgrade at LBer.
Insein
Footballguy
DREAM TEAM!
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Some coaching names to throw out there (with not much knowledge of them) who seem to be potential HC's
Chuck Pagano- Baltimore DC
Dennis Allen- Denver DC
Winston Moss- Asst. HC/ Inside LBers
Darren Perry- Secondary- Safeties Coach
Mike Pettine- DC Jets
Winston Moss would seem to read as a good one and looks to be sure to get a HC job next year.
Chuck Pagano- Baltimore DC
Dennis Allen- Denver DC
Winston Moss- Asst. HC/ Inside LBers
Darren Perry- Secondary- Safeties Coach
Mike Pettine- DC Jets
Winston Moss would seem to read as a good one and looks to be sure to get a HC job next year.
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bushdocda
Footballguy
I still think Reid survives bc the FO will 'blame' Dijon, VYoung and Castillo and they will all be elsewhere next year.
I will support all change including dumping Reid bc he let the stink of loser get on this team with all the blown 4 th quarter leads and now the team is left injury plagued and hapless for the rest of the year.
I will support all change including dumping Reid bc he let the stink of loser get on this team with all the blown 4 th quarter leads and now the team is left injury plagued and hapless for the rest of the year.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Doesn't Pagano run a 3-4? That would be a massive undertaking to change the defense to a 3-4. Not sure what type of defenses the other run, but I am all for having a defensive minded coach taking over the team. It should come as no surprise that Reid's best years as a head coach came when he was using Ray Rhodes defensive players.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
I think the ones that run (or have run) a 4-3 are Allen and Pagano..I thought Baltimore bounced back and forth for a bit.
I guess it would depend on if the coaches mentioned would have to have a 3-4 or if they would allow another coach to call the D and run it for them like Tomlin does in Pittsburgh. He wanted to run a Tamp-2 but kept Labeau to run the 3-4
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The_Man
Footballguy
As a Baltimore fan, watching this year's Eagles team is like watching a replay of the 2007 Ravens. In 2006, they went 13-3. In 2007, they started 4-2, but then Steve McNair got hurt, and they ended up losing 9 straight (including at winless Miami) before finishing at 5-11. It was clear that Billick had to go, even though he had just signed a huge contract extension before the season. Guys had tuned him out, stopped trying, etc. It was hard, but it was the best thing for the franchise -- and I think the Eagles need a similar reboot.
One other thing I've learned from the Ravens -- the way to build long-term, sustainable success is to draft well then break the bank to retain your homegrown blue chip players, instead of using that money to chase after some other team's stars. Drafting well gives you a constant crop of good players who are a relative bargain until their rookie deal ends. And that frees up the cap room to fairly reward your homegrown stars when the time comes, ensuring locker room harmony. The Ravens let good players go all the time (LeRon McClain, Todd Heap, Kelly Gregg this year alone) because it gave them the money to lock up Ngata long-term. Just like they've let Bart Scott and Jim Leonhard and Ovie Mughelli and other guys go to keep Suggs and Ed Reed. In chasing after other team's high-priced guys, the Eagles haven't taken care of a home-grown star like Jackson, and now they're paying the price in internal strife. They need to draft better, and pay guys like Jackson and McCoy, even if it means they can't chase expensive free agents.'nxmehta said:This seems like the least of your concerns?
LeSean McCoy
DeSean Jackson
Jeremy Maclin
Jason Avant
Brent Celek
Jason Peters
Jason Babin
Cullen Jenkins
Trent Cole
Asante Samuel
Nnamdi Asomugha
Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie
There are teams that would KILL for talent like this (trust me, I watch one of them every week). The draft is for accumulating talent. The Eagles are not losing because they haven't accumulated enough talent from 2010-2011. They are losing because they have great players playing like ####. Now, whether or not that's Reid's fault or the players' fault, who knows...
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
You left out Leaders. That's the biggest thing Baltimore has that we don't, IMO. Aquiring the young talent is still necessary but you also need some structure.While I think and believe Jackson has the talent it's not what everyone thinks. He's a glorified deep-threat. The NFL will figure everyone out and in doing so they just play a man over Jackson and dare him to go over the middle...and he's to scared to do so.Since you're a Baltimore fan could you weigh in on a guy like Chuck Pagano? Anything about him would be appreciated. TIA
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