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*** Official 2012 Boston Red Sox Thread *** (1 Viewer)

'David Yudkin said:
'Raider Nation said:
I never realized Ross had this kinda power until I watched him every night.

He hits some moon shots completely out of Fenway.
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I came in to ponder whether Ross could keep up this level of performance.At his current rate of production, he would have 118 runs scored, 41 HR, and 129 RBI when projected to 600 at bats.
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He's always hit lefties well (career - 286/355/587), but this season has been absurd - 328/410/836. Can't see that lasting as he's sitting on 20.8% of his fly balls for home runs, and 36% against lefties. His mediocreness vs. righties is why he's easy to look over, but I've been streaming him vs. lefties for a while and will keep doing so. That's what happens when you draft Bourjos and Longoria and have holes to fill, thanks to Ross (and David Murphy) for filling in admirably :thumbup: .
 
Between the implosions of the relief core early in the season, and the problems Beckett, Doubront & now Lester are having getting off the blocks, it's time to look at the pitching coach as a source of team pitching probs.

 
'Matthias said:
'Raider Nation said:
'Matthias said:
'Captain Hook said:
If they had more wins there would be more "fans" posting
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Eh. It's not about wins, really.
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Yeah, it is. This is July 27. Boston is 49-50 and there are 223 posts in this thread... 80% of them by non-Boston fans.

On July 27th last year, there were 545 posts in the Red Sox thread. Boston was 63-38.

It's embarrassing, really.
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Check out Dr. Science ovah heah!!!It's about the team, not the record. Last year the Red Sox had the team that they wanted on the field. It was a mix of players who had been there for a while (Ortiz, Youkilis, Pedroia, Drew ( :yucky: ), and Ellsbury) and some big-ticket free agents (Gonzalez, Crawford). It was a fun team to follow. This year has been tons of injuries filled in by journeymen. Punto, Sweeney, Ross, Aviles, Nava? Christ. Talk about a lineup of a whole lotta I don't give a ####. I don't mind my teams being bad. You can have some interesting seasons when your team is bad. This team is just passe. It might turn interesting now that they're healthy again. But it's not all about Wins and Losses.
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Yeah, it really is.If this band of RUDYs were 63-38 like last year, it would be the cutest little story ever and the thread would be ablaze.

 
Honestly, what are Red Sox fans supposed to talk about? Most of the discussion with this team has already been said and there is very little reason to keep rehashing it. Boston fans are disappointed with the team. The players are pretty uninspiring and upper management is really tough to get behind. I mean, I guess I could come here every day and make a post about how Beckett gave up 3 runs in the 1st inning and we should try trade him, or discuss how Lucchino is an ### but I hear those discussions every day on the radio and in the papers.

Are people really calling Red Sox fans bandwagoners because we aren't coming into this thread to complain about the team? There isn't much to get excited about so its not like you are going to have a bunch of fans come in and talk back and forth about what we should do. At a certain point it is somewhat tiring to rehash the team's flaws.

I can lay out most of Boston's fans feelings this year in 5 lines.

1. The pitching has been horrendous and is continuing the downward spiral that started last September. Beckett and Lester just can't get it together for some reason.

2. The team's recent high price FA signings have been mediocre at best and trending towards disastrous. Lackey, Crawford, Gonzalez (trade I know but essentially same thing with his massive extension.) They have underperformed and most don't seem to be able to handle the pressure of a big market.

3. Upper management just wants to keep the Red Sox machine rolling. They don't care if a mediocre product is put out as long as the fans are in the seats and buying Big Papi shirts. Its a hindrance to any sort of effort to improve.

4. We traded away Reddick and Lowrie (who was doing pretty damn good until he got injured) for two bums. Reddick would have looked pretty good in the outfield this season when we were starting Ryan Sweeney, Darnell McDonald and Daniel Nava.

5. On a positive note, Middlebrooks has been encouraging, Cody Ross has been great and is real easy to root for, Salty has given us some big hits and Doubrount looks like he has some stuff.

 
If I'm a Red Sox fan I'm probably not coming in here because this thread is stocked with innernet jerks (me included) in full on mock mode.

There's always plenty to talk about, we've been carrying on in the Nats thread for years

But, you reap what you sow when you're sore winners, #####es

 
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Honestly, what are Red Sox fans supposed to talk about?
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The fact that team management did nothing to trade Beckett in the offseason. -WEEI
 
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One of the callers on 98.5 the sports hub suggested the sox should've dealt Beckett straight up for Justin Upton :lmao: :loco:

 
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Raider Nation 42the moops 16Premier 15Limp Ditka 15Doctor Detroit 13DA RAIDERS 12shadyridr 9gump 8wilked 7
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welcome back? I'm the ####### super fan up in here. And I've posted since....like 5 times or something....Sure woulda been nice to trade for an arm....oh well mediocrity it is, :banned:
 
I like the character that Bobby V is.

He seems to be kind of a ####ty manager though. Not sure how you leave a tired Aceves in there to face a lefty in Mauer.

 
I'm gonna fix this team. Ready?

Clip all of the known and suspected clubhouse cancers. Trade Lester in the offseason. Dump Beckett and Lackey and eat some salary. Your mistake... suck it up. The Bobby V. experiment is a complete failure. 55-58 on August 10th, 11 games out of first. Let him finish out the season, because what difference does it make at this point.

Here is the important part: Team owners take out full-page ads in the Boston Herald and Boston Globe:

"COME BACK, TITO! WE WERE WRONG. YOU WERE THE BEST MANAGER FOR THIS TEAM, AND YOU ALWAYS WILL BE.

PLEASE FORGIVE US!!!"

Then wine and dine him at the finest restaurants around the world, and triple his previous salary.

That's a start.

 
'Raider Nation said:
I'm gonna fix this team. Ready?

Clip all of the known and suspected clubhouse cancers. Trade Lester in the offseason. Dump Beckett and Lackey and eat some salary. Your mistake... suck it up. The Bobby V. experiment is a complete failure. 55-58 on August 10th, 11 games out of first. Let him finish out the season, because what difference does it make at this point.

Here is the important part: Team owners take out full-page ads in the Boston Herald and Boston Globe:

"COME BACK, TITO! WE WERE WRONG. YOU WERE THE BEST MANAGER FOR THIS TEAM, AND YOU ALWAYS WILL BE.

PLEASE FORGIVE US!!!"

Then wine and dine him at the finest restaurants around the world, and triple his previous salary.

That's a start.
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I agree that Bobby V is not a good fit for this franchise. He won't cow tow to his superiors, and he is not a player's manager.I disagree that Frnacona or anyone else as manager would have made any difference whatsoever. This team can't pitch, They had a bunch of injuries to positional players, but up until recently they were leading MLB in scoring so that really didn't make much difference. Maybe they would be .500 or a game or two over with another manager, but I don't think it would make any difference. You can win when your starters give up 5 in the first and 8 by the 5th.

As for fixing things, they made quite a mess in terms of owing money to all the wrong players. They still owe a ton to Lackey, Crawford, and Gonzalez (who hasn't been terrible but not worth what they are paying him). Beckett has been a waste of money and Dice K got worse and worse. If they got rid of all these guys, they might have to eat more than the other team ends up paying out for them.

They owe Lackey $30M, Becket $31.5M, Crawford $103M, and Gonzalez $127M. Because of the Crawford deal, that effectively puts them out of the running to keep Ellsbury past next year. I think it's going to get worse before it gets better.

 
Screw that whole lot of Bums. Bobby V is no great shakes, and yes the pitching is F'ed, but for those humps to sandbag Bobby V when they did it to Francona last year is ridiculous. I guess "Pedey" isn't the leader we imagined.

I can't wait until we get a decent book covering the last 2 or 3 years of panic signings, Theo leaving, the collapse, the chicken, the revolt, et al.

 
'David Yudkin said:
'Raider Nation said:
I'm gonna fix this team. Ready?

Clip all of the known and suspected clubhouse cancers. Trade Lester in the offseason. Dump Beckett and Lackey and eat some salary. Your mistake... suck it up. The Bobby V. experiment is a complete failure. 55-58 on August 10th, 11 games out of first. Let him finish out the season, because what difference does it make at this point.

Here is the important part: Team owners take out full-page ads in the Boston Herald and Boston Globe:

"COME BACK, TITO! WE WERE WRONG. YOU WERE THE BEST MANAGER FOR THIS TEAM, AND YOU ALWAYS WILL BE.

PLEASE FORGIVE US!!!"

Then wine and dine him at the finest restaurants around the world, and triple his previous salary.

That's a start.
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I agree that Bobby V is not a good fit for this franchise. He won't cow tow to his superiors, and he is not a player's manager.I disagree that Francona or anyone else as manager would have made any difference whatsoever.
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This statement has merit only under the supposition that the team would play hard for both managers.Clearly, that's not the case. This team hates Valentine and it often looks like they are going through the motions.

 
'Raider Nation said:
'David Yudkin said:
'Raider Nation said:
I'm gonna fix this team. Ready?

Clip all of the known and suspected clubhouse cancers. Trade Lester in the offseason. Dump Beckett and Lackey and eat some salary. Your mistake... suck it up. The Bobby V. experiment is a complete failure. 55-58 on August 10th, 11 games out of first. Let him finish out the season, because what difference does it make at this point.

Here is the important part: Team owners take out full-page ads in the Boston Herald and Boston Globe:

"COME BACK, TITO! WE WERE WRONG. YOU WERE THE BEST MANAGER FOR THIS TEAM, AND YOU ALWAYS WILL BE.

PLEASE FORGIVE US!!!"

Then wine and dine him at the finest restaurants around the world, and triple his previous salary.

That's a start.
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I agree that Bobby V is not a good fit for this franchise. He won't cow tow to his superiors, and he is not a player's manager.I disagree that Francona or anyone else as manager would have made any difference whatsoever.
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This statement has merit only under the supposition that the team would play hard for both managers.Clearly, that's not the case. This team hates Valentine and it often looks like they are going through the motions.
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Well, we saw how hard they played in the thick of a pennant race with Francona and they were awful.The other supposition here is that the players intentionally try or don't try based on who the manager is, which I would suggest is somewhat unlikely.

 
'David Yudkin said:
Well, we saw how hard they played in the thick of a pennant race with Francona and they were awful.
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Yeah especially those years they won the World SeriesLast season's collapse was an aberration and I don't know if I've ever seen such a kneejerk overreaction from a fanbase and ownership. Now they really ARE screwed, so they may as well just get rid of all the problem children, including Bobby.Terry Francona's not walking through that door, though, so save a little pride there
 
"If you came in here [last night], you would have seen a pretty heaping pile of empty bottles by the time I left. And I dare say there were a whole bunch of games this year at home that I would have liked to have the ability to make a big pile." -- Bobby V shedding lightness on Beergate II before Friday's game
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Joe Haggerty, CSNNE.com: "There were others that just don’t seem to care about wins or losses anymore.
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"Like John Lackey as he apparently needs to travel with the team and work with trainer Mike Reinold while recovering from Tommy John surgery – a fairly standard rehab that literally thousands of pitchers have come back from stronger-than-ever over the last 30 years.

"But for whatever reason the underachieving righty needs to travel with the team even though he won’t be throwing even one measly pitch for them.

"Lackey was so busted up after the latest defeat that he was strutting around the clubhouse with a can of Bud Light in each hand, or what is known as “double-fisting” on every college campus in the history of mankind.

"So much for the Bobby Valentine ban on alcohol in the Sox clubhouse that was implemented during spring training."
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Did Red Sox starter Josh Beckett do everything he could to be in peak condition for his crucial start against the Texas Rangers in Wednesday's matinee at Fenway? Beckett was spotted belly-up-to-the-bar at the Beantown Pub on Tremont Steet until closing time, 2 a.m., Monday night. The Beantown Pub would not confirm that Beckett was in the establishment at the time reported.
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'JZilla said:
'David Yudkin said:
Well, we saw how hard they played in the thick of a pennant race with Francona and they were awful.
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Yeah especially those years they won the World SeriesLast season's collapse was an aberration and I don't know if I've ever seen such a kneejerk overreaction from a fanbase and ownership. Now they really ARE screwed, so they may as well just get rid of all the problem children, including Bobby.Terry Francona's not walking through that door, though, so save a little pride there
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The last time they won was 5 years ago. Since then the team did a slow burn that resulted in a time bomb last September. I suspect it got worse and worse and no one was happy at the close of the 2011 campaign and everyone wanted out. Too many feelings were hurt, too many people didn't care anymore, and the net result is what they are now. I personally think they would be in the same boat right now with or without Francona and with or without antoher manager.Many of the players have not played the same after they got their big contracts and their incentive to play hard seemingly evaporated. Maybe the pitchers are older. Maybe they weren't that good. But lots of folks have wanted out of town, whether it be Manny, Tito, Youkilis, Jacoby, Paps, etc. Somewhere along the line the culture changed.
 
Pedroia's "Little Angry Guy" routine EVERY TIME he makes an out is so tired. We get it... you're gritty.

GRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!

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