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***Official 2012 MLB Regular Season Thread (1 Viewer)

Serious question: is Adrian Gonzalez gonna come out of this in 2012? I keep waiting, just not seeing any improvement at all. Guy is bouncing softly to first a lot, reminding me more of one of those Gonzalez shortstops.

 
Serious question: is Adrian Gonzalez gonna come out of this in 2012? I keep waiting, just not seeing any improvement at all. Guy is bouncing softly to first a lot, reminding me more of one of those Gonzalez shortstops.
One of the most puzzling things I've seen on the diamond in recent years.He was such a machine at Petco. Maybe he misses those huge alleys... or it's just easier to hit when your fans have no expectations. But still, you would expect him to pepper the monster in his sleep. :shrug:
 
Serious question: is Adrian Gonzalez gonna come out of this in 2012? I keep waiting, just not seeing any improvement at all. Guy is bouncing softly to first a lot, reminding me more of one of those Gonzalez shortstops.
One of the most puzzling things I've seen on the diamond in recent years.He was such a machine at Petco. Maybe he misses those huge alleys... or it's just easier to hit when your fans have no expectations. But still, you would expect him to pepper the monster in his sleep. :shrug:
I mean homers can be brutal in Fenway for LHH if you can't go the other way, but he can. Also that huge gap in RC is inviting and he's just not hitting it there. He actually is slugging better at home than he is away, so Fenway has less to do with it than we might think. Walks are WAY down, and he has a .630 OPS with no one on base. He's still hitting with RISP, near 1.000 OPS there but everything else is just a mess. I mean last year he was pretty good, when he was in San Diego I thought he was one of the best hitters in baseball. The injuries to Ellsbury, Crawford and Pedroia certainly have hurt but you'd still think he'd get into a few now and again. Pretty strange.
 
Serious question: is Adrian Gonzalez gonna come out of this in 2012? I keep waiting, just not seeing any improvement at all. Guy is bouncing softly to first a lot, reminding me more of one of those Gonzalez shortstops.
One of the most puzzling things I've seen on the diamond in recent years.He was such a machine at Petco. Maybe he misses those huge alleys... or it's just easier to hit when your fans have no expectations. But still, you would expect him to pepper the monster in his sleep. :shrug:
adam dunns decline and then remergence was still one of the strangest bad years i ever recall. lincecum and jup are getting there
 
Serious question: is Adrian Gonzalez gonna come out of this in 2012? I keep waiting, just not seeing any improvement at all. Guy is bouncing softly to first a lot, reminding me more of one of those Gonzalez shortstops.
One of the most puzzling things I've seen on the diamond in recent years.He was such a machine at Petco. Maybe he misses those huge alleys... or it's just easier to hit when your fans have no expectations. But still, you would expect him to pepper the monster in his sleep. :shrug:
I mean homers can be brutal in Fenway for LHH if you can't go the other way, but he can. Also that huge gap in RC is inviting and he's just not hitting it there. He actually is slugging better at home than he is away, so Fenway has less to do with it than we might think. Walks are WAY down, and he has a .630 OPS with no one on base. He's still hitting with RISP, near 1.000 OPS there but everything else is just a mess. I mean last year he was pretty good, when he was in San Diego I thought he was one of the best hitters in baseball. The injuries to Ellsbury, Crawford and Pedroia certainly have hurt but you'd still think he'd get into a few now and again. Pretty strange.
I'm going to guess his shoulder was never right, or relapsed. I know he had a good half his first year in Boston but the popless profile you mention screams injury. Usually guys in decline sacrifice contact for power(see teixera) but he's got little. I think the league. Change hasn't helped. That might explain a good start going around the league and then a fall off. I think eastern teams(re: the Yankees) do some phenromenal game plannig from an advance scouting perspective, and your holes will be found with more determination than being on a lesser light in the nl west. You didnt need a book on him, just pitch around him. Finally, sprinkle in some good old fashiOned humanity in trying to justify big money in a pressure cooker market and you get a guy who'll press and expand his zone. I'm not so tied up in pop psychology of big market/small market, bu as I believe that some rise on a bigger stage, it makes sense some might shrink. I found his comments after the collapse very indicative of a guy who doesn't like pressire
 
In the Rays/Nationals game it appears that Joel Peralta got caught with his glove in the cookie jar because before he could even get a pitch Davey Johnson asks to have the glove inspected and it was taken for investigation. not one pitch and he was out of the game.

:unsure:

 
In the Rays/Nationals game it appears that Joel Peralta got caught with his glove in the cookie jar because before he could even get a pitch Davey Johnson asks to have the glove inspected and it was taken for investigation. not one pitch and he was out of the game. :unsure:
:thumbup: cheat to win.
 
In the Rays/Nationals game it appears that Joel Peralta got caught with his glove in the cookie jar because before he could even get a pitch Davey Johnson asks to have the glove inspected and it was taken for investigation. not one pitch and he was out of the game.

:unsure:
Peralta played for the Nats in 2010, guess he's been getting away with it for a while :lmao:
 
In the Rays/Nationals game it appears that Joel Peralta got caught with his glove in the cookie jar because before he could even get a pitch Davey Johnson asks to have the glove inspected and it was taken for investigation. not one pitch and he was out of the game. :unsure:
:thumbup: cheat to win.
People think I'm crazy but I'm 100% for this. Some guys like Axford seem so obvious, but I watch a ton of relivers in particular looking for the signs and I think I see them a lot. I think Clippard from the Nats does it, Valverde, Lyon, Street, Nathan and J Johnson from the O's all do also IMO.
 
In the Rays/Nationals game it appears that Joel Peralta got caught with his glove in the cookie jar because before he could even get a pitch Davey Johnson asks to have the glove inspected and it was taken for investigation. not one pitch and he was out of the game. :unsure:
Did the umpires screw up in not allowing him to deliver a pitch? Obviously, he was trying to cheat but unless they confiscated a doctored ball, can they still suspend him?
The pitcher shall not --(a) (1) Bring his pitching hand in contact with his mouth or lips while in the 18 foot circle surrounding the pitching rubber. EXCEPTION: Provided it is agreed to by both managers, the umpire prior to the start of a game played in cold weather, may permit the pitcher to blow on his hand.PENALTY: For violation of this part of this rule the umpires shall immediately call a ball. However, if the pitch is made and a batter reaches first base on a hit, an error, a hit batsman or otherwise, and no other runner is put out before advancing at least one base, the play shall proceed without reference to the violation. Repeated offenders shall be subject to a fine by the league president.(2) expectorate on the ball, either hand or his glove;(3) rub the ball on his glove, person or clothing;(4) apply a foreign substance of any kind to the ball;(5) deface the ball in any manner; or(6) deliver a ball altered in a manner prescribed by Rule 8.02(a)(2) through (5) or what is called the shine ball, spit ball, mud ball or emery ball. The pitcher is allowed to rub the ball between his bare hands.PENALTY: For violation of any part of Rules 8.02(a)(2) through (6)(a) the pitcher shall be ejected immediately from the game and shall be suspended automatically. In National Association Leagues, the automatic suspension shall be for 10 games.(b) If a play follows the violation called by the umpire, the manager of the team at bat may advise the plate umpire-in-chief that he elects to accept the play. Such election shall be made immediately at the end of the play. However, if the batter reaches first base on a hit, an error, a base on balls, a hit batsman, or otherwise, and no other runner is put out before advancing at least one base, the play shall proceed without reference to the violation.© Even though the team at bat elects to take the play, the violation shall be recognized and the penalties in subsection (a) will still be in effect.(d) If the manager of the team at bat does not elect to accept the play, the umpire-inchief shall call an automatic ball and, if there are any runners on base, a balk.(e) The umpire shall be sole judge on whether any portion of this rule has been violated.
 
Marc Topkin ‏@TBTimes_Rays#Rays Maddon said it was a "cowardly" move - among other things - by Nats manager Johnson to have Peralta singled out like that
I like Maddon but he's wrong here. I say cheat when you can but if you're cheating it's up to the other guy to figure it out. The cat and mouse game with things like this are one of the underrated nuggets of joy that baseball provides, Johnson was right.
 
Man Maddon just went nuts on the post game. Called Johnson a coward and a pus$y. :eek:

 
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Marc Topkin ‏@TBTimes_Rays#Rays Maddon said it was a "cowardly" move - among other things - by Nats manager Johnson to have Peralta singled out like that
I like Maddon but he's wrong here. I say cheat when you can but if you're cheating it's up to the other guy to figure it out. The cat and mouse game with things like this are one of the underrated nuggets of joy that baseball provides, Johnson was right.
Maddon was saying postgame that he didn't like the way that Davey villified Perlata and he says that pine tar in a pitcher's glove is a common practice. He said if you checked gloves across baseball, you'd find a lot of pine tar.Peralta was very upset after the game and said he really didn't want to know who called for the check. Apparently he's very close to the Nats first base coach who was a father figure to him in minors.
Marc Topkin ‏@TBTimes_Rays#Rays Maddon also said it is "common practice" for pitchers to have pine tar on their gloves, + he was upset Peralta would be villified
 
Marc Topkin ‏@TBTimes_Rays#Rays Maddon said it was a "cowardly" move - among other things - by Nats manager Johnson to have Peralta singled out like that
I like Maddon but he's wrong here. I say cheat when you can but if you're cheating it's up to the other guy to figure it out. The cat and mouse game with things like this are one of the underrated nuggets of joy that baseball provides, Johnson was right.
Maddon was saying postgame that he didn't like the way that Davey villified Perlata and he says that pine tar in a pitcher's glove is a common practice. He said if you checked gloves across baseball, you'd find a lot of pine tar.Peralta was very upset after the game and said he really didn't want to know who called for the check. Apparently he's very close to the Nats first base coach who was a father figure to him in minors.
Marc Topkin ‏@TBTimes_Rays#Rays Maddon also said it is "common practice" for pitchers to have pine tar on their gloves, + he was upset Peralta would be villified
So what? Maddon can check gloves also. :shrug: He should check above Clippard's right ear tomorrow, bet they find some Vagisil. Johnson has been around baseball a really long time, I think Maddon is out of line.
 
'Doctor Detroit said:
'JaxBill said:
'Doctor Detroit said:
'JaxBill said:
Marc Topkin ‏@TBTimes_Rays#Rays Maddon said it was a "cowardly" move - among other things - by Nats manager Johnson to have Peralta singled out like that
I like Maddon but he's wrong here. I say cheat when you can but if you're cheating it's up to the other guy to figure it out. The cat and mouse game with things like this are one of the underrated nuggets of joy that baseball provides, Johnson was right.
Maddon was saying postgame that he didn't like the way that Davey villified Perlata and he says that pine tar in a pitcher's glove is a common practice. He said if you checked gloves across baseball, you'd find a lot of pine tar.Peralta was very upset after the game and said he really didn't want to know who called for the check. Apparently he's very close to the Nats first base coach who was a father figure to him in minors.
Marc Topkin ‏@TBTimes_Rays#Rays Maddon also said it is "common practice" for pitchers to have pine tar on their gloves, + he was upset Peralta would be villified
So what? Maddon can check gloves also. :shrug: He should check above Clippard's right ear tomorrow, bet they find some Vagisil. Johnson has been around baseball a really long time, I think Maddon is out of line.
Screw Joe Maddon, go crap in your hat you hair dying fruit. Defend your guys but to get on a guy Davey who's done much more than he's ever done is tough to take.
 
'Premier said:
Man Maddon just went nuts on the post game. Called Johnson a coward and a pus$y. :eek:
Not a great move by Maddon, but even as a Nats fan I can understand why he might be a little miffed. Someone on the Nats could have easily pulled Maddon aside and told him they know Peralta doctors the ball. That way he could either not use Peralta in a key spot this series, or should make damn sure he's clean if they do send him out there. That would have avoided embarrassment for Peralta and still kept the Rays from gaining a competitive advantage by using a guy who was doctoring the ball.
 
'Doctor Detroit said:
'Premier said:
In the Rays/Nationals game it appears that Joel Peralta got caught with his glove in the cookie jar because before he could even get a pitch Davey Johnson asks to have the glove inspected and it was taken for investigation. not one pitch and he was out of the game. :unsure:
:thumbup: cheat to win.
People think I'm crazy but I'm 100% for this. Some guys like Axford seem so obvious, but I watch a ton of relivers in particular looking for the signs and I think I see them a lot. I think Clippard from the Nats does it, Valverde, Lyon, Street, Nathan and J Johnson from the O's all do also IMO.
:rolleyes: Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you .....
 
'Premier said:
Man Maddon just went nuts on the post game. Called Johnson a coward and a pus$y. :eek:
Not a great move by Maddon, but even as a Nats fan I can understand why he might be a little miffed. Someone on the Nats could have easily pulled Maddon aside and told him they know Peralta doctors the ball. That way he could either not use Peralta in a key spot this series, or should make damn sure he's clean if they do send him out there. That would have avoided embarrassment for Peralta and still kept the Rays from gaining a competitive advantage by using a guy who was doctoring the ball.
This is why he's upset. There's really no reason for Johnson to do what he did unless he wanted to make Peralta and the Rays look bad.
 
'Premier said:
Man Maddon just went nuts on the post game. Called Johnson a coward and a pus$y. :eek:
Not a great move by Maddon, but even as a Nats fan I can understand why he might be a little miffed. Someone on the Nats could have easily pulled Maddon aside and told him they know Peralta doctors the ball. That way he could either not use Peralta in a key spot this series, or should make damn sure he's clean if they do send him out there. That would have avoided embarrassment for Peralta and still kept the Rays from gaining a competitive advantage by using a guy who was doctoring the ball.
This is why he's upset. There's really no reason for Johnson to do what he did unless he wanted to make Peralta and the Rays look bad.
Well it was a close game and he was trying to get some offense, but I do agree it was pretty bush to go after a guy whose cheating was presumably fine when he wore your hat.
 
'Dr. Awesome said:
I guess I'm in the minority along with Dr. Detroit. No issue with what Davey did. It's all part of the game.
I'm totally with you. If anyone is Bush league, its Maddon and the dopey outfits his team wears.
 
Good luck figuring out this game.

Aaron Laffey, starting for Toronto only because Juan Guzmán turned down the assignment, is shutting out Boston in the 6th at Fenway.

 
'Raider Nation said:
Good luck figuring out this game.Aaron Laffey, starting for Toronto only because Juan Guzmán turned down the assignment, is shutting out Boston in the 6th at Fenway.
Juan Guzman :shrug:
 

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