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***Official 2012 MLB Regular Season Thread (1 Viewer)

Would be interesting if anyone employs the bullpen strategy for the wild card game.

Baseball is really really slow to embrace out of the box thinking. But in this case it almost makes too much sense to ignore- for the Braves in particular if they're in the wild card, given their bullpen. Of course Fredi Gonzalez is as old-school as they come, so perhaps not.

 
'TobiasFunke said:
Would be interesting if anyone employs the bullpen strategy for the wild card game.

Baseball is really really slow to embrace out of the box thinking. But in this case it almost makes too much sense to ignore- for the Braves in particular if they're in the wild card, given their bullpen. Of course Fredi Gonzalez is as old-school as they come, so perhaps not.
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What are the roster rules for this? If it's 25 man roster separate from the NLDS, they could pinch hit for the pitcher every time. Just leave most of the starting pitchers off the roster.
 
'Disco Stu said:
'TobiasFunke said:
Would be interesting if anyone employs the bullpen strategy for the wild card game.

Baseball is really really slow to embrace out of the box thinking. But in this case it almost makes too much sense to ignore- for the Braves in particular if they're in the wild card, given their bullpen. Of course Fredi Gonzalez is as old-school as they come, so perhaps not.
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What are the roster rules for this? If it's 25 man roster separate from the NLDS, they could pinch hit for the pitcher every time. Just leave most of the starting pitchers off the roster.
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Good question. I have no idea. Tried to look it up but couldn't find anything.Even if they're required to do it they could still probably make it work with the division series 25 man roster. Figure the pitcher spot comes up four times. Yeah, you limit your ability to pinch hit or pinch run in other desirable spots, but those spots aren't gonna offer as much added leverage as pinch hitting for the pitcher. You could tinker I guess, like if the pitcher comes up with two out and nobody on and you've used all the power guys maybe you let him hit and save the pinch runner and backup catcher.

I guessing nobody looks into this no matter how much sense it makes, though, since they'd get crucified in the media if it backfired. I could see them having a very very quick hook if the starter gets in trouble, though.

 
'TobiasFunke said:
'Disco Stu said:
'TobiasFunke said:
Would be interesting if anyone employs the bullpen strategy for the wild card game.

Baseball is really really slow to embrace out of the box thinking. But in this case it almost makes too much sense to ignore- for the Braves in particular if they're in the wild card, given their bullpen. Of course Fredi Gonzalez is as old-school as they come, so perhaps not.
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What are the roster rules for this? If it's 25 man roster separate from the NLDS, they could pinch hit for the pitcher every time. Just leave most of the starting pitchers off the roster.
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Good question. I have no idea. Tried to look it up but couldn't find anything.Even if they're required to do it they could still probably make it work with the division series 25 man roster. Figure the pitcher spot comes up four times. Yeah, you limit your ability to pinch hit or pinch run in other desirable spots, but those spots aren't gonna offer as much added leverage as pinch hitting for the pitcher. You could tinker I guess, like if the pitcher comes up with two out and nobody on and you've used all the power guys maybe you let him hit and save the pinch runner and backup catcher.

I guessing nobody looks into this no matter how much sense it makes, though, since they'd get crucified in the media if it backfired. I could see them having a very very quick hook if the starter gets in trouble, though.
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As a tangent on not having a starting pitcher... when the Reds had Micah Owings crushing the ball in the rotation, I made a case that he should be listed as the starting pitcher for every single road game of the season. That way, if he came up in the top 1st, he hits rather than your pitcher. In the bottom 1st, just send your normal starter out there. Providing there are no rules against it, you might be able to also do this in September with any regular hitter since you have like 87 pinch hitters sitting around and can waste a real player doing it.
 
'TobiasFunke said:
'Disco Stu said:
'TobiasFunke said:
Would be interesting if anyone employs the bullpen strategy for the wild card game.

Baseball is really really slow to embrace out of the box thinking. But in this case it almost makes too much sense to ignore- for the Braves in particular if they're in the wild card, given their bullpen. Of course Fredi Gonzalez is as old-school as they come, so perhaps not.
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What are the roster rules for this? If it's 25 man roster separate from the NLDS, they could pinch hit for the pitcher every time. Just leave most of the starting pitchers off the roster.
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Good question. I have no idea. Tried to look it up but couldn't find anything.Even if they're required to do it they could still probably make it work with the division series 25 man roster. Figure the pitcher spot comes up four times. Yeah, you limit your ability to pinch hit or pinch run in other desirable spots, but those spots aren't gonna offer as much added leverage as pinch hitting for the pitcher. You could tinker I guess, like if the pitcher comes up with two out and nobody on and you've used all the power guys maybe you let him hit and save the pinch runner and backup catcher.

I guessing nobody looks into this no matter how much sense it makes, though, since they'd get crucified in the media if it backfired. I could see them having a very very quick hook if the starter gets in trouble, though.
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I just read that the rosters are in fact separate. My link
But now comes this. Buster Olney of ESPN the Magazine reports via ESPN.com that MLB has instituted some frankly stupid roster rules for the wild-card round of the postseason (subscription required -- and that subscription will force you to receive ESPN the Magazine whether you want to or not). Olney writes:

The wild-card games will be conducted under circumstances we've never seen before in the postseason. The participating teams will set 25-man rosters for this one-game, winner-take-all extravaganza — rosters that don't have to carry over to the Division series matchup. So the Braves and the other wild-card entrants don't have to carry multiple starting pitchers.

If there's one thing the modern manager doesn't need, it's even more latitude and license to make, in essence, unlimited pitching changes. Beyond that, though, why should the wild-card games be played under different rules? I see no reason why wild-card teams should be entitled to change their postseason rosters after said postseason begins. That this is a recipe for four-and-a-half hour games seems the least of its problems.
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'Samuel L Bronkowitz said:
'TobiasFunke said:
'Disco Stu said:
'TobiasFunke said:
Would be interesting if anyone employs the bullpen strategy for the wild card game.

Baseball is really really slow to embrace out of the box thinking. But in this case it almost makes too much sense to ignore- for the Braves in particular if they're in the wild card, given their bullpen. Of course Fredi Gonzalez is as old-school as they come, so perhaps not.
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What are the roster rules for this? If it's 25 man roster separate from the NLDS, they could pinch hit for the pitcher every time. Just leave most of the starting pitchers off the roster.
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Good question. I have no idea. Tried to look it up but couldn't find anything.Even if they're required to do it they could still probably make it work with the division series 25 man roster. Figure the pitcher spot comes up four times. Yeah, you limit your ability to pinch hit or pinch run in other desirable spots, but those spots aren't gonna offer as much added leverage as pinch hitting for the pitcher. You could tinker I guess, like if the pitcher comes up with two out and nobody on and you've used all the power guys maybe you let him hit and save the pinch runner and backup catcher.

I guessing nobody looks into this no matter how much sense it makes, though, since they'd get crucified in the media if it backfired. I could see them having a very very quick hook if the starter gets in trouble, though.
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I just read that the rosters are in fact separate. My link
But now comes this. Buster Olney of ESPN the Magazine reports via ESPN.com that MLB has instituted some frankly stupid roster rules for the wild-card round of the postseason (subscription required -- and that subscription will force you to receive ESPN the Magazine whether you want to or not). Olney writes:

The wild-card games will be conducted under circumstances we've never seen before in the postseason. The participating teams will set 25-man rosters for this one-game, winner-take-all extravaganza — rosters that don't have to carry over to the Division series matchup. So the Braves and the other wild-card entrants don't have to carry multiple starting pitchers.

If there's one thing the modern manager doesn't need, it's even more latitude and license to make, in essence, unlimited pitching changes. Beyond that, though, why should the wild-card games be played under different rules? I see no reason why wild-card teams should be entitled to change their postseason rosters after said postseason begins. That this is a recipe for four-and-a-half hour games seems the least of its problems.
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Makes sense to me... It is a different tiered round of playoffs...
 
'beaux said:
'Samuel L Bronkowitz said:
'TobiasFunke said:
'Disco Stu said:
'TobiasFunke said:
Would be interesting if anyone employs the bullpen strategy for the wild card game.

Baseball is really really slow to embrace out of the box thinking. But in this case it almost makes too much sense to ignore- for the Braves in particular if they're in the wild card, given their bullpen. Of course Fredi Gonzalez is as old-school as they come, so perhaps not.
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What are the roster rules for this? If it's 25 man roster separate from the NLDS, they could pinch hit for the pitcher every time. Just leave most of the starting pitchers off the roster.
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Good question. I have no idea. Tried to look it up but couldn't find anything.Even if they're required to do it they could still probably make it work with the division series 25 man roster. Figure the pitcher spot comes up four times. Yeah, you limit your ability to pinch hit or pinch run in other desirable spots, but those spots aren't gonna offer as much added leverage as pinch hitting for the pitcher. You could tinker I guess, like if the pitcher comes up with two out and nobody on and you've used all the power guys maybe you let him hit and save the pinch runner and backup catcher.

I guessing nobody looks into this no matter how much sense it makes, though, since they'd get crucified in the media if it backfired. I could see them having a very very quick hook if the starter gets in trouble, though.
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I just read that the rosters are in fact separate. My link
But now comes this. Buster Olney of ESPN the Magazine reports via ESPN.com that MLB has instituted some frankly stupid roster rules for the wild-card round of the postseason (subscription required -- and that subscription will force you to receive ESPN the Magazine whether you want to or not). Olney writes:

The wild-card games will be conducted under circumstances we've never seen before in the postseason. The participating teams will set 25-man rosters for this one-game, winner-take-all extravaganza — rosters that don't have to carry over to the Division series matchup. So the Braves and the other wild-card entrants don't have to carry multiple starting pitchers.

If there's one thing the modern manager doesn't need, it's even more latitude and license to make, in essence, unlimited pitching changes. Beyond that, though, why should the wild-card games be played under different rules? I see no reason why wild-card teams should be entitled to change their postseason rosters after said postseason begins. That this is a recipe for four-and-a-half hour games seems the least of its problems.
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Makes sense to me... It is a different tiered round of playoffs...
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Yeah, it makes sense from that standpoint. But it totally changes the nature of the game. It's not the same sport they've been playing for 162 games because starting pitcher is the single most important position as far as affecting the outcome of the game all season ... but all of a sudden there's really no such thing as a starting pitcher, or at least there shouldn't be. A smart manager would make a pitching change every inning or two. It's also not appealing from the fan standpoint because the games are gonna take forever.

 
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Since Melky Cabrera's suspension, the Giants have gone 21-9

Since the Dodgers traded for Gonzalez, Beckett and Crawford, they have gone 7-13

 
This can't be an anomaly, right?

Reds record when:

Stubbs scores a run: 46-6 (.885)

Stubbs doesn't score: 43-53 (.448)

 
So let's say the winner of the wild card round is from the same division as the team with the best record...is the rule still in place that they can't play each other in the LDS? Feels like something I should know, but I haven't heard it addressed.

 
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'pantagrapher said:
'Doctor Detroit said:
'pantagrapher said:
'Raider Nation said:
Melky asks that he be removed from consideration for the batting title. :thumbup:
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Weird. The batting title isn't an award.
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Correct, it's a title. :mellow:
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It's not something people vote on. Players aren't up for "consideration." You can't just declare that your statistics don't count, as dirty as they might be. But I guess this year you can. That's weird. :mellow:
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Selig gave him some dough.
 
Wow, Cardinals are sitting at magic number of 6...essentially if they win 4-5 of the remaining games they can back into the playoffs - which even as a Cardinal fan is a bit disturbing considering I think they are a worse team than the Phillies, Dodgers and about on par with the Brewers and Pirates. Good thing the wildcard was expanded and the best teams still don't get in.

That said - go Cardinals - would love a little more post season magic before we rebuild.

 
'Txns8 said:
'Please See Mine said:
'gump said:
Has anyone seen start times for the Wild Card games? Has MLB said when they will announce them?
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MLB hasn't announced any game times yet.
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I doubt it will be announced until the teams/locations are determined.
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Damn. Am hoping for an evening game for the Braves as I can't get off work. fingers crossed for the A's landing the #1 WC slot in the AL.
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My hunch is if there is a west coast home game, then it will be like 6 and 9:30. If they are both east coast, I could see them doing one at 7 and one at 8 start, as has occasionally been done in the past, but might even start OAK at BAL later to get the west coast audience. Though I also suspect that Atlanta-STL or Atlanta-LAD would be the more attractive match-up than Baltimore-Oakland, so they'd probably want that to be later, if possible.
 
Unless I am looking at things incorrectly, this is the Rays first trip to Chicago this season. It's game 156. Weird.

 
'Premier said:
Unless I am looking at things incorrectly, this is the Rays first trip to Chicago this season. It's game 156. Weird.
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Teams only play two series against non-division teams each season, one home and one road. Nats are in St. Louis for the first time all year this weekend. There's probably a bunch of others too. Braves actually close their season with their first trip to Pittsburgh next week.
 
Has there ever been a year where AL had a double distribution quite like this? I mean basically you are either 10 over or 10 under .500.

 
'TobiasFunke said:
'Premier said:
Unless I am looking at things incorrectly, this is the Rays first trip to Chicago this season. It's game 156. Weird.
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Teams only play two series against non-division teams each season, one home and one road.
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Not in the AL. Detroit played Boston, LAA, Texas, and NYY three different times and played Toronto, Baltimore, Oak, Sea, and Tampa twice. That of course goes away next year.
 
'Doctor Detroit said:
'TobiasFunke said:
'Premier said:
Unless I am looking at things incorrectly, this is the Rays first trip to Chicago this season. It's game 156. Weird.
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Teams only play two series against non-division teams each season, one home and one road.
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Not in the AL. Detroit played Boston, LAA, Texas, and NYY three different times and played Toronto, Baltimore, Oak, Sea, and Tampa twice. That of course goes away next year.
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Whoa. I had no idea, and obviously didn't bother to think about the 16 teams/14 teams thing. Weird.
 
Baltimore is 89-67 and have a -1 run differential. Amazing how they've played in close games this year. I think they get manhandled in the ALDS if they win the wildcard game, but I've been wrong about them all year so who knows.

 
'Doctor Detroit said:
Baltimore is 89-67 and have a -1 run differential. Amazing how they've played in close games this year. I think they get manhandled in the ALDS if they win the wildcard game, but I've been wrong about them all year so who knows.
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It's been a great run whatever happens and a reminder that however mathematical the sport is portrayed at times, the game still has her mysteries.
 
'Doctor Detroit said:
Baltimore is 89-67 and have a -1 run differential. Amazing how they've played in close games this year. I think they get manhandled in the ALDS if they win the wildcard game, but I've been wrong about them all year so who knows.
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:goodposting: I keep rooting for them and Oakland to be in the play-in game, and I may be cursing if that is what happens.
 
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